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Title: Biblical Brutality
Post by: an0n on November 20, 2005, 07:41:22 pm
No arguments, no debates, just post anything funny or ****ed-up you can find in the Bible. And no *****ing about innacurate translations. Even if it's wrong, people still worship it, so it counts:

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Deuteronomy 22:28-29[/u]
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

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Judges 19
  22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."

    23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."

    25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.

    27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

    29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!"
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Unknown Target on November 20, 2005, 07:53:54 pm
I smell a flame war coming. I recommend this gets locked, but that's just me...
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Martinus on November 20, 2005, 07:57:15 pm
I think this can be quite educational. It shows how a lot of the bible that is held sacrosanct is no longer relevant in today's society.
Posting the version of the bible would be prudent as some translate things differently. The king james bible for instance  mis-translates 'friend' into homosexual. I'll try and dig up the reference.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Unknown Target on November 20, 2005, 07:58:25 pm
Alright, but you won't catch me in here when Liberator finds this :D :nervous:
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Goober5000 on November 20, 2005, 08:00:27 pm
It could be educational, yes, but it could also degenerate into a massive flamewar.  It depends on the tone and the post content.

Even so, it's a risky move, especially coming from someone so recently unbanned.  Are you trying to push your luck, an0n? :)
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 20, 2005, 08:09:05 pm
Now now, since when have you banned people for posting religious threads?
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Goober5000 on November 20, 2005, 08:47:56 pm
Not for posting them.  For flaming in them, or otherwise acting incindiary.  Kazan has been repeatedly monkeyed for such behavior, for example.  Liberator was monkeyed too once.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: ToecrusherHammerjaw on November 20, 2005, 09:11:34 pm
Hey an0n, you got one that comes out and says directly that being gay is a sin? (Not that I think it is).  So far, from what I read in the Bible, God's not specifically against gays, but is specifically against gay sex (Leviticus 18:22).

EDIT: If this is a real hot-button issue, don't answer this.  I'll just back off.  I don't want to start a flamewar.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Galemp on November 20, 2005, 09:38:59 pm
Ooh, everyone loves Leviticus...

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2nd Kings 2:23-25
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.

Re-reading Exodus, it appears that the ancient Egyptians were also able to turn water to blood and make their staves into snakes, without the power of the LORD, as they would have you believe Moses worked his miracles. I'd really like to see how they did that.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Rictor on November 20, 2005, 10:15:58 pm
I'm betting this is mostly Old Testament stuff. From what I've seen or read, they were much more into the wrath and vegance back when it was still Judaism Then Christ came along and kind of told everyone to chill out a bit, and Christianity was born. Turn the other cheek and all that.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Galemp on November 20, 2005, 10:21:33 pm
And then they nailed him for a tree for it.

Ironic, isn't it?
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Goober5000 on November 20, 2005, 11:21:39 pm
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2nd Kings 2:23-25
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.

This warrants clarification: the term translated "youth" is probably better translated "young man".  Note also that the bears mauled "forty-two" of them - signifying that there were more (perhaps many more) than forty-two.  So this was a huge mob of young adults threatening him, not a small group of kindergartners.  Just so there's no misunderstanding. ;)
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Rictor on November 20, 2005, 11:27:29 pm
That's right. And remember kids: bear attacks can be fun, but turning your beast loose on children is not OK. Once they hit puberty, it's all fair game, but not before. It's also a good idea to only maul groups of people easily divisble by seven. It saves the police a fair bit of paperwork, and creates a positive atmosphere for all involved.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Night Hammer on November 21, 2005, 12:04:12 am
damn theres one in jusdges i cant remember exacty, but its to the effect that a guy stabbed a fat guy with a dagger and like the fat runneth over or some **** like that, used to make me laugh when i was little in sunday school
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Bobboau on November 21, 2005, 12:48:09 am
lets try Numbers 31 on for size, some highlights

And the people of Israel took captive the women of Mid'ian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. 10 All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, 11 and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast. 12 Then they brought the captives and the booty and the spoil to Moses, and to Elea'zar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho. 13 Moses, and Elea'zar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went forth to meet them outside the camp. 14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? 16 Behold, these caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
in other words God comanded the his people to rape pillage and plunder, to slaughter captives, captive children, and keep the little girls as basicly sex slaves. aparently God himself gets a little peice of the score later on too.

and on the subject of looting and pillageing, here's another one of God's krazy klassik komedy... komeing at you!
Deuteronomy 3
6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon the king of Heshbon, destroying every city, men, women, and children. 7 But all the cattle and the spoil of the cities we took as our booty. 8

Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Galemp on November 21, 2005, 02:11:25 am
*waits for Sesquipedalian*
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Martinus on November 21, 2005, 02:47:31 am
Re-reading Exodus, it appears that the ancient Egyptians were also able to turn water to blood and make their staves into snakes, without the power of the LORD, as they would have you believe Moses worked his miracles. I'd really like to see how they did that.
LSD dude, they spiked the wine.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: an0n on November 21, 2005, 11:47:08 am
How could you not know about the Egyptians?

It's the best part of Ten Commandments. Moses is like "HA! Snakes! Beat that!" then Ramses nods to his priests and they're like "HA! Two snakes! Beat that!" then Moses' snake eats the Egyptian snakes and Ramses gives him this 'you bastard' look.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: an0n on November 21, 2005, 11:53:15 am
I think this can be quite educational. It shows how a lot of the bible that is held sacrosanct is no longer relevant in today's society.
Posting the version of the bible would be prudent as some translate things differently. The king james bible for instance mis-translates 'friend' into homosexual. I'll try and dig up the reference.

It doesn't matter.

People still worship it. It may not be the original 'word of God' but it's what the Big 3 are based on.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: General Freak on November 21, 2005, 12:38:11 pm
There's also the passage where Lot's two daughters get him drunk and sleep with him (it was after some woman got turned into salt..no, I'm not a keen Bible reader, but I re-read that passage again today, just to be sure :p)
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: BlackDove on November 21, 2005, 05:01:30 pm
Insane be those passages or not, I think we can all agree on the fact that whoever wrote the book was an idiot. Yes. It was a long time ago. Yes. People were less educated and that was the norm. Hence, idiot.

This isn't actually intended as any kind of a flame, just my opinion. If you're a religious follower all the power to you, please ignore my opinion.No need for counter arguments.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Flipside on November 21, 2005, 05:08:59 pm
Where in God's land, did you live?
What in God's hands, did you give?
Told your stories,
Told your lies,
Made it all up,
You were an Author.

Where in Gods land, did you pray?
What in Gods Ears, did you say?
All your stories
All your lies
You made it all up,
Your just an author.

Maybe something's wrong in here for me?
Maybe something's wrong in here for you?
We all know something's wrong in here.
-----------------------------------------
From one of my old bands' songs (about 13 years old now), seemed strangely relevant ;)
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: TrashMan on November 22, 2005, 06:00:47 am
Old Testament = full of crap that was written/added by crazy priests (or should I say rabi?)

I don't trust things that vere passed verbally for hundereds of years before being written down, and when they did it was by a few moraly very questinable characters with their own agendas..

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Setekh on November 22, 2005, 07:45:02 am
Well, this thread's about as useful as reading the newspaper and looking for bits that would sound awesome out of context. I'm not going to be the one to suggest that people just learn to read the newspaper, though.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Sandwich on November 22, 2005, 01:51:40 pm
I'm betting this is mostly Old Testament stuff. From what I've seen or read, they were much more into the wrath and vegance back when it was still Judaism Then Christ came along and kind of told everyone to chill out a bit, and Christianity was born. Turn the other cheek and all that.

:wtf: Ever read the end of Revelation, dude? I have an inkling that when Jesus comes back and lays some serious smack down on the world, people are gonna be blown away, having expected meek lil' donkey-riding Jesus. ;)
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: pyro-manic on November 22, 2005, 02:00:47 pm
I wish he'd hurry up then. There's more than enough smacking needing doing as it is...
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: vyper on November 22, 2005, 02:55:06 pm
Somebody will probably shoot him on sight.

*jesus appears in holy land*
*suicide bomber explodes just as IDF soldier fires at him. Both have a rather nasty effect on Jesus, basically blowing him up and shooting him*
*God pisses self laughing at irony and drops a plague on the Middle East*
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: karajorma on November 22, 2005, 03:03:38 pm
Chronicles
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21:17 And they came up into Judah, and brake into it, and carried away all the substance that was found in the king's house, and his sons also, and his wives; so that there was never a son left him, save Jehoahaz, the youngest of his sons.   
21:18 And after all this the LORD smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease.   
21:19 And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, his bowels fell out by reason of his sickness: so he died of sore diseases. And his people made no burning for him, like the burning of his fathers.

None of that rivers of blood for you. We're going to make your arse fall off instead :lol:

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

Bit of a bugger if you're a pig though.

Matthew
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8:32  And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

I'm the son of God. Watch me make pigs do lemming impressions! :lol:

Seriously though Trashman have you ever actually read Revelations? It makes all the stuff quoted so far seem like a flesh wound.

Hey an0n, you got one that comes out and says directly that being gay is a sin? (Not that I think it is). So far, from what I read in the Bible, God's not specifically against gays, but is specifically against gay sex (Leviticus 18:22).

Ummm. No. It says to kill them. Read a little further. 20:13 is pretty clear.

Check pretty much any of these (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm) will show you the attitude the bible has. The page on cruelty and violence (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html) should be useful for those looking for some more stuff to post on here. :) 
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: kode on November 22, 2005, 03:11:12 pm
New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: TrashMan on November 22, 2005, 04:11:39 pm
Most if it was written by the apostols themselves, and some parts by their pupils, so yeah I would call that very accurate.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: pyro-manic on November 22, 2005, 04:32:09 pm
I have got to buy this book. It sounds great. :D
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Ulala on November 22, 2005, 04:40:07 pm
lets try Numbers 31 on for size, some highlights

in other words God comanded the his people to rape pillage and plunder, to slaughter captives, captive children, and keep the little girls as basicly sex slaves. aparently God himself gets a little peice of the score later on too.


Doesn't necessarily say sex slaves, could be future wives or some such thing.

Well, this thread's about as useful as reading the newspaper and looking for bits that would sound awesome out of context. I'm not going to be the one to suggest that people just learn to read the newspaper, though.

Not just the newspaper, but a newspaper from 1902 or some such obscure past date where nearly everything was different. Haven't seen many posts about the New Testament though. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Bobboau on November 22, 2005, 09:17:27 pm
this stuff isn't made to look bad out of context, it's all prety much "God doesn't like these people so he wants you to go kill them."
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Janos on November 23, 2005, 08:55:27 am
Old Testament is just awesome. Someone could make pretty hardcore progressive blackmetal and just growl the best parts, and it would sound so awesome. Actually I think this has been done like 419035 times. Nuke? My metal knowledge is rusty nowadays. :(

Anyways, OT is basically just old rules of some ****ed-up tribe, recycled through dubious amounts of drugs and insanity.

Also, reading these while listening to Deerhoof is an experiment I can recommend to everyone.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: General Freak on November 23, 2005, 11:01:55 am
New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.

Well, if it was mostly be the apostles, it can't have been written a few centuries afterwards, can it? :(
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: kode on November 23, 2005, 11:19:02 am
New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.

Well, if it was mostly be the apostles, it can't have been written a few centuries afterwards, can it? :(

well, I was gonna call the "show me a source" card, but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_testament)
there are different viewpoints on this, I guess.

as an example I can take the "founding father" of the kingdom of sweden (even though the country existed well before he became king of it). He had a lot of "adventures" before he became king, and a lot of it is bull****. He rewrote that history himself. so even if the apostels did write the new testament (which isn't an absolute), they could be just as full of bull****.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: achtung on November 23, 2005, 11:59:02 am
I don't take today's Bible all that seriously because half the books were taken out, screwed around with, or added by the catholics or early christians.

I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible. :doubt:
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: ionia23 on November 23, 2005, 02:07:22 pm
It's true, you notice an incredible difference in the level of widespread violence between the old and new testaments.  I've always took that to mean God decided to try something different.

The 'message' can't really be interpreted by quoting scripture.  Those that do adopt whatever lines suit their immediate need and roll with it.  just like the old argument that while the bible describes homosexuality as 'abomination', it also grants the right so sell your youngest daughter off as a slave if you so desire.

I have my own idea of the 'message', but it isn't very popular these days.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Setekh on November 23, 2005, 05:00:34 pm
I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible. :doubt:

I don't take that book seriously either. It's not even in the Bible. Revelation, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Charismatic on November 23, 2005, 09:24:34 pm

If this thread is not locked by tomorrow night, I will personally flame you all for this BS. Reading all of your posts has really pissed me off.

TAKE NOTE: Most if not, ALL of the versions of the bible you guys have posted have been: 1) off, 2) plain wrong, or 3) a really ****ed up transilation or a really bad mispelling.

Yes were all entitled to our opinions, and my opinion is that all your opinions suck:P and i dislike them greatly.

As i said, by thursday night. Il make sure to bring my bible and correct you all (if i can, heck, im only 18 and i know the bible a little but not enough; im still willing to try and attempt it).

Bah-humbug to you all..
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Ace on November 23, 2005, 09:50:09 pm
I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible. :doubt:

I don't take that book seriously either. It's not even in the Bible. Revelation, on the other hand...

That's what he was talking about. It's a not-so-subtle 'Nero is evil but don't worry, the good times for us are around the corner' hidden in a 'revelation' from god.

There's already been a few discussions on this, such as how '666' is actually a mistranslation of a number that represented Nero, etc.

But bah, believe your doomsday stuff if you really want to.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Bobboau on November 23, 2005, 10:19:15 pm
Charismatic, give me an online version of your Bible. or at the very least tell me what yours says in NUmbers 31:17-18
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: achtung on November 23, 2005, 10:51:57 pm
I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible. :doubt:

I don't take that book seriously either. It's not even in the Bible. Revelation, on the other hand...

Is another Grammar Inquisition about to begin? :p

But I dunno I just heard on the histroy channel that all the parts that are "Fire and Brimstone" so to speak were added by the Catholics from several letters some guy wrote.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Janos on November 23, 2005, 11:08:05 pm

If this thread is not locked by tomorrow night, I will personally flame you all for this BS. Reading all of your posts has really pissed me off.

TAKE NOTE: Most if not, ALL of the versions of the bible you guys have posted have been: 1) off, 2) plain wrong, or 3) a really ****ed up transilation or a really bad mispelling.

Yes were all entitled to our opinions, and my opinion is that all your opinions suck:P and i dislike them greatly.

As i said, by thursday night. Il make sure to bring my bible and correct you all (if i can, heck, im only 18 and i know the bible a little but not enough; im still willing to try and attempt it).

Bah-humbug to you all..

I think Bible should be outlawed.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: karajorma on November 24, 2005, 02:17:03 am

If this thread is not locked by tomorrow night, I will personally flame you all for this BS. Reading all of your posts has really pissed me off.

Then your comments will be removed and hopefully you'll be monkied. The topic has managed to stay pretty much flame free. I doubt any of the admins will want to look so bad as to stiffle discusssion just because one person couldn't bear to hear what is written in some versions of the bible.


TAKE NOTE: Most if not, ALL of the versions of the bible you guys have posted have been: 1) off, 2) plain wrong, or 3) a really ****ed up transilation or a really bad mispelling.

And yet they were all taken directly from a bible. The whole point of the thread was to expose the crap that is in some versions of the bible that people still use and worship from. IF you have an issue with what it actually says then your beef is with the people who worship those versions.

Instead of being an idiot and deliberately flaming in order to get this thread closed how about acting like a rational adult human being and simply posting what your bible says for each of those passages along with the name of the bible you're using.
To be honest I doubt your version says anything that different but I'm prepared to lsiten.

Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Annorax on November 24, 2005, 02:40:12 am
monkied.

Explain.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: kode on November 24, 2005, 02:49:16 am
monkied.

Explain.

a monkey is not abel (haha) to post in this particular forum (hard light), but all the others.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Kamikaze on November 24, 2005, 02:59:00 am
Well, this thread's about as useful as reading the newspaper and looking for bits that would sound awesome out of context. I'm not going to be the one to suggest that people just learn to read the newspaper, though.

That's the whole point of the thread. It's showing how idiotic it is to take the bible literally (e.g. people who argue against the big bang or evolution because of Genesis) because there's a whole lot of stuff that, if taken literally, depicts God and religion badly in the bible.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: TrashMan on November 24, 2005, 07:19:51 am

well, I was gonna call the "show me a source" card, but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.

Hey, my job is to take care of trash, but I'm not the one who produces it...

Oh..and from your own link:

"The 27 books of the New Testament were written by various authors at various times and places. Unlike the Old Testament, the New Testament was written in a relatively narrow span of time, probably over less than a century, from c. AD 50 to c. AD 125."
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: kode on November 24, 2005, 09:29:01 am

well, I was gonna call the "show me a source" card, but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.

Hey, my job is to take care of trash, but I'm not the one who produces it...

Oh..and from your own link:

"The 27 books of the New Testament were written by various authors at various times and places. Unlike the Old Testament, the New Testament was written in a relatively narrow span of time, probably over less than a century, from c. AD 50 to c. AD 125."

oh, well, trashheap, also from my own link:
The New Testament was written by many different people. The traditional view is that all the books were written by apostles or their followers (e.g. Mark and Luke). Modern scholars now largely discount this assumption aside from seven of Paul's letters.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Goober5000 on November 24, 2005, 01:23:04 pm
It depends on which "modern scholars" they're talking about.  Wikipedia is not without its own emergent bias.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Stealth on November 25, 2005, 11:21:22 am
Then your comments will be removed and hopefully you'll be monkied. The topic has managed to stay pretty much flame free. I doubt any of the admins will want to look so bad as to stiffle discusssion just because one person couldn't bear to hear what is written in some versions of the bible.

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I think we can all agree on the fact that whoever wrote the book was an idiot
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Old Testament = full of crap that was written/added by crazy priests (or should I say rabi?)
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but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.
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how idiotic it is to take the bible literally
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Instead of being an idiot...

you may not be directly flaming someone in most cases, but you're definately 'flaming' what a lot of people believe in, which, as i remember, was not the original purpose of this thread...
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: karajorma on November 25, 2005, 12:14:20 pm
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I think we can all agree on the fact that whoever wrote the book was an idiot

Blackdove took great pains to point out that this was his opinion and not a flame. So that quote is rather out of context.

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Old Testament = full of crap that was written/added by crazy priests (or should I say rabi?)

You'll notice that Trashman is the one who made that comment. This is the view of someone who is one of the most vocal christians on the board, saying that the Old Testament is full of crap even though it is part of the holy book he believes in.  Don't be getting into an all us and them situation.

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but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.

Fair enough that's a flame. I only said it had remained pretty flame free, not completely flame free. And given the nature of the quote above I'd bet you're probably thinking that he was full of it too. Even if you didn't say it. :p

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Instead of being an idiot...

you may not be directly flaming someone in most cases, but you're definately 'flaming' what a lot of people believe in, which, as i remember, was not the original purpose of this thread...

Nonetheless deliberately flaming in an attempt to close the thread is a childish over-reaction. The correct response is to tell people not to flame. I'd rather see the topic back on track too.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Ghostavo on November 25, 2005, 02:37:41 pm
You can't have a thread "mocking" the bible without legos!

http://www.thebricktestament.com/

:nervous:
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: TrashMan on November 25, 2005, 03:36:44 pm
oh, well, trashheap, also from my own link:

Tsk, tsk...now is that a nice way to behave? Such namecalling.. someone should have washed your mouth out with soap..

EDIT:
@kajorama
Calling the Old Testament full of crap was a bad move from my side. It's not nearly that bad, but it does have some part that doesn't sound like God had anything to do with..
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: kode on November 25, 2005, 05:41:47 pm
Tsk, tsk...now is that a nice way to behave? Such namecalling.. someone should have washed your mouth out with soap..

I've never pretended to be nice. And it's not even really namecalling. namecalling would've been like "you worthless piece of human excrement"
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: WMCoolmon on November 25, 2005, 07:07:48 pm
Hooooookay.

I'm a big supporter of people taking responsibility for their religion, to a certain extent. Obviously if the Pope passes some edict, there's not much your average Catholic can do about that. But it's not like you can deny that the Pope did that if a whole bunch of people complain. If someone calls themself a Christian, and then starts running around and shooting and raping 'sinners'...according to the Bible, I don't think it's possible for anyone to judge them as not being a Christian, because they'll have sinned as well.

If you really aren't comfortable with the stuff that your religion, whatever it may be, says you should or shouldn't do, you should probably think about that...cause you'll be living with the guy who comes up with the rules for awhile, at least if you're in one of the derivations of Christianity.

So, I mean, own up. If this stuff is in the bible, and you think the bible is generally true, and you're offended that people are pointing this stuff out (which in today's context seems brutal) then the only way you're going to stop feeling offended is to
A) come to terms with not supporting that part of the bible (Whether it's just "that part is stupid, I'm not going to support THAT" or something more reasoned.)
Or, you can B) convince people that the passage is translated wrong.
Or, C) convince everyone that the passage is right.


For example, the first quote in the thread. Was the passage translated improperly? Or do you think we should adopt a practice of forcing rapists to marry their victims?
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Whitelight on November 25, 2005, 10:52:45 pm
lets try Numbers 31 on for size, some highlights

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
in other words God comanded the his people to rape pillage and plunder, to slaughter captives, captive children, and keep the little girls as basicly sex slaves. aparently God himself gets a little peice of the score later on too.

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 Where in the bible does it say to rape the girls, they were saved because they were virgins and kept as maids(to do cleaning and cooking) (not sex slaves).. Its that simple.. I can see not all of us take the bible as it was ment to be taken.

(edit) Everyone takes the bible differently, but if you read it carefully, you may learn something.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Charismatic on November 25, 2005, 11:40:55 pm


... Il take to what Kara said.

Sorry all. Sorry i missed my chance to correct you all. Something came up.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Deepblue on November 25, 2005, 11:53:59 pm
You can't have a thread "mocking" the bible without legos!

http://www.thebricktestament.com/

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I think you mean "without lego."
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Bobboau on November 26, 2005, 02:01:02 am


Sorry i missed my chance to correct you all.

oh, no, its ok, do go on, yiu still have plenty of time
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: WMCoolmon on November 26, 2005, 02:28:27 am


... Il take to what Kara said.

Sorry all. Sorry i missed my chance to correct you all. Something came up.

Hopefully not involving the aforementioned book of Revelations.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: vyper on November 26, 2005, 07:12:26 am
lets try Numbers 31 on for size, some highlights

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
in other words God comanded the his people to rape pillage and plunder, to slaughter captives, captive children, and keep the little girls as basicly sex slaves. aparently God himself gets a little peice of the score later on too.

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 Where in the bible does it say to rape the girls, they were saved because they were virgins and kept as maids(to do cleaning and cooking) (not sex slaves).. Its that simple.. I can see not all of us take the bible as it was ment to be taken.

(edit) Everyone takes the bible differently, but if you read it carefully, you may learn something.

Given the baser instincts of humanity and the treatment of women during the period in which the bible was written/translated/et al, it does make sense to assume the text is implying all forms of slavery including sexual.
Title: Re: Biblical Brutality
Post by: Grug on November 26, 2005, 07:53:59 am
LMAO! http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/cain_and_abel/gn04_01a.html :lol:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/er_and_onan/gn38_09.html

A spin on the one Anon posted: http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/sodom_and_gomorrah/gn19_05.html
:lol:

Just to voice some of my opinion: I don't believe in religeon, but may believe in a god.