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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: TopAce on December 10, 2005, 01:46:18 pm
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I only would like to clarify it that this DVD is worth its price. Not only can you watch the movie as many times as you wish, but also you can see deleted scenes and a lot of Behind the scenes stuff, mainly about stuntsmen. Have you ever wondered how Christopher Lee (being above 80!) could be so swift as Dooku? It's explained there.
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Nothing StarWars is worth anything, ever, forever.
He killed it.
HE TOOK HIS ****ING HANDS AND HE MURDERED IT BY CHOKING IT SLOWLY.
It's dead.
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Sadly yes. The RotS DVD only serves to remind one of how much more the movie could have been.
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I had fun watching it....I guess that was just me.
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TopAce, you could just fill us in and save us the money.
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Lee's face was put onto a guy who weilded the stick.
OH TEH MAGIKS OF DIGITALIZATION AGE!
Too bad it didn't help the movies being dead.
DEAD!
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Black dove, you might want to check your caps lock button...
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yeah, it looks like you accidently turned it off a couple times there.
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IT'S DEAD!!!
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Well, when Lucas dies, we can release the originals, assuming he doesn't put the stipulation that that's not allowed in there.
If he does, we have to wait until the copyright expires.
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Not only can you watch the movie as many times as you wish...
Sorry, but I have to clarify this here... "as many times as I wish"?? Does that mean that if I get the DVD, I will have the memories of not only TPM and AOTC, but of ROTS erased from my brain permanently? I mean, it sucked to no end, possibly even more so than Battlefield Earth, due to the appearance of not-suck. At least BfE was honest about sucking.
Lucas: STOP SUCKING!!
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Lucas: STOP SUCKING!!
Banner = win.
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Episode 3 was my favorite of all six.
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But all six were **** to you, right?
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No, I enjoy Star Wars. They're all badly written, simplistic, and poorly acted for the most part, but I find the story, the effects, and the universe highly entertaining. Certainly not high art, but it does what it sets out to do, in my opinion.
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Not only can you watch the movie as many times as you wish...
Sorry, but I have to clarify this here... "as many times as I wish"?? Does that mean that if I get the DVD, I will have the memories of not only TPM and AOTC, but of ROTS erased from my brain permanently? I mean, it sucked to no end, possibly even more so than Battlefield Earth, due to the appearance of not-suck. At least BfE was honest about sucking.
Lucas: STOP SUCKING!!
*gives sandwich Kotor 1 & 2* there, now you can see starwars as it should be. ;)
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ROTS is actually my second favorite Star Wars right now--just behind Empire Strikes Back. I didn't really like it for the special effects (besides the lava planet duel), nor the acting, but it was simply the story's premise and the philosophical depth.
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The opening scenes had the worst movie physics imaginable.
That is all.
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ROTS is actually my second favorite Star Wars right now--just behind Empire Strikes Back. I didn't really like it for the special effects (besides the lava planet duel), nor the acting, but it was simply the story's premise and the philosophical depth.
What philosophical depth? The prequel trilogy was a great opportunity to show Anakin's conversion to the dark side in-depth, but it didn't happen. The original trilogy implied that he was a good man who, over time, was seduced more and more by the allure of the power of the dark side. That would have made a good prequel trilogy. What we got was a whiny rebellious teenager whose conversion to the dark side took all of thirty seconds.
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"Star Wars" and "philosophical depth" don't belong in the same sentence. Oh ****, I just put them there. Well, other than the sentence I just constructed.
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3
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The single most annoying thing about ROTS - aside from the acting - is that there's no inner conflict with Annakin.
He basically gets pissed off at everyone treating him like a retard and decides the best way to deal with them is to side with Palpatine and butcher them all.
He basically was stupid and went crazy. Whereas Vader is smart, cunning, a fencer.
The kinda-hinted backstory during the Original Trilogy being that he'd fought for so long with the Jedi to make the galaxy a better place, but it had just never worked. So he turned to Palpatine and his prophetic visions as a way of restoring order after the Clone Wars, which caused the Jedi Order to turn on him and Obi Wan to butcher him. Then the permenant one-layer detachment from the world and his anger at being crippled drove him to become Lord Vader.
ROTS was basically: "Grrr. You don't trust me - NOW YOU DIE! *swoosh* ARGH! NOT IN THE FACE!"
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ROTS was far, faaar worse than TPM and AOTC, even though it doesn't really seem so... until you think about it:
- Opening space battle: So, it just peters and stops once the Jedi land on the ship and start crashing it? Was that what it was about? One ship? Also, those mouse droid things annoying the piss out of the fighters... why, oh why, did it not occur to those powerful Jedi Knights and Masters to use a teeny tiny bit of the Force to sweep those critters off their ships??
- I need to see the movie again to argue this point better, since it was very forgettable, but there was some major conflict in how the Jedi handled Dooku and how they handled Palpatine... or rather, how they handled Anakin's handling of those situations.
- Yoda on the Wookie planet... why? That whole scene had absolutely NO bearing on the story WHATsoever... and the gratituous Chewie cameo was just salt on an already open wound.
- That bad-ass robot/Jedi General, Grevious (what's with the sucky names, Lucas??!?)... where was his bad-assness?? He had 4 seperate lightsabers, yet Obi-wan was able to hold him off with ONE???
- The "romantic" dialogue between Anakin and Padme... "I love you cuz you're pretty..." "No, I love you more..." "No, I love YOU more!" "No, I -" {*****-slap}
- Palpatine's retarded "Power!!!" chant before they take down Mace... I felt like puking. That belonged in The Incredibles, or in Spiderman... not in SW.
- Anakin's betrayal indeed happened far too fast to be reasonable, but perhaps that was the point...
- Anakin's lava battle with Obi-Wan was the ONLY redeeming part of the whole movie, a part which they promptly ruined y segueing to....
- "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Darth Frankenstein, indeed. :rolleyes:
- Continuity error: in ROTJ (#6), Leia says she remembers her mother was very beautiful, but sad. How did she know this, since Padme freakin DIES right after childbirth??
To sum up, I'll say it one more time: Lucas: Stop sucking!
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The other annoying thing about Episode 3 is that you need a legion of fanbois to fill in the gaps so it makes sense:
- Opening space battle: So, it just peters and stops once the Jedi land on the ship and start crashing it? Was that what it was about? One ship? Also, those mouse droid things annoying the piss out of the fighters... why, oh why, did it not occur to those powerful Jedi Knights and Masters to use a teeny tiny bit of the Force to sweep those critters off their ships??
The reason the battle stopped was because Greivous was the only reason the Seperatists weren't wiped out years ago. With him floating off into space the fleet was basically ****ed. And the whole point of the attack was to cause a distraction while they captured Palpatine to try and force the Republic to surrender. So when that failed, and with Greivous incapacitated, the fleet bugged out. And they never force-pushed the droids off the ships because they're idiots.
- I need to see the movie again to argue this point better, since it was very forgettable, but there was some major conflict in how the Jedi handled Dooku and how they handled Palpatine... or rather, how they handled Anakin's handling of those situations.
They only wanted Dooku alive so they could press him about who the Sith Lord was and gain strategic information from him to help with the war. Palpatine's life held no value and his continued existence only served as a threat to the Republic.
- Yoda on the Wookie planet... why? That whole scene had absolutely NO bearing on the story WHATsoever... and the gratituous Chewie cameo was just salt on an already open wound.
Merchandising. And possibly to show that Chewie isn't just a thug and had reasons for hating the Empire. But I liked him better as a regular alien thug.
- That bad-ass robot/Jedi General, Grevious (what's with the sucky names, Lucas??!?)... where was his bad-assness?? He had 4 seperate lightsabers, yet Obi-wan was able to hold him off with ONE???
He was a killing machine in Clone Wars, but Windu crushes his chest right at the end, which is why he's wheezing and can't fight for **** in ROTS.
- The "romantic" dialogue between Anakin and Padme... "I love you cuz you're pretty..." "No, I love you more..." "No, I love YOU more!" "No, I -" {*****-slap}
Yeah, and the fact that neither of them can act didn't exactly improve the scene either.
- Palpatine's retarded "Power!!!" chant before they take down Mace... I felt like puking. That belonged in The Incredibles, or in Spiderman... not in SW.
They needed to kill Windu and they needed to cram how evil Palpatine is down your throat before they did.
- Anakin's betrayal indeed happened far too fast to be reasonable, but perhaps that was the point...
No. Vader was not an idiot. He was all deep and complex and ****.
- Anakin's lava battle with Obi-Wan was the ONLY redeeming part of the whole movie, a part which they promptly ruined y segueing to....
It would've been good if it hadn't been about 3 hours long. Actually, no, it was **** anyway. I'm not a fan of all this Samurai bull**** - the fencing of the Original Trilogy was far superior.
- "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Darth Frankenstein, indeed. :rolleyes:
That was by far the single stupidest part of the movie - especially given that he was actively trying to kill Padme anyway.
- Continuity error: in ROTJ (#6), Leia says she remembers her mother was very beautiful, but sad. How did she know this, since Padme freakin DIES right after childbirth??
The Force, foo. She was Force-sensetive even before birth.
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- Continuity error: in ROTJ (#6), Leia says she remembers her mother was very beautiful, but sad. How did she know this, since Padme freakin DIES right after childbirth??
Leia didn't know she was adopted. Maybe she was talking about someone other than Padme and Luke was too thick to realise it :)
As for Anikin's convertion that's the worst part of the movie for me. Much more sensible would have been to handle it like someone good trying to use the One Ring. At first he would have tried to use the dark side for good but slowly been tempted away by its power. That's pretty much the way everyone envisioned it happening after the first trilogy anyway.
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Actually, Portman can act quite well... it's just that nobody in the new trilogy was allowed to act. Heck, for that matter, Hayden may be a good actor... :nervous:
And Leia DID know she was adopted; Luke asked specifically, "do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"
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Hayden is a ****ty actor.
Look at that 'Shattered Glass' or whatever the **** it was called. He's balls.
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- Yoda on the Wookie planet... why? That whole scene had absolutely NO bearing on the story WHATsoever... and the gratituous Chewie cameo was just salt on an already open wound.
Merchandising. And possibly to show that Chewie isn't just a thug and had reasons for hating the Empire. But I liked him better as a regular alien thug.
Yoda was most likely there as - if you look at the situation - all the Jedi were out and about laying the smack down when they were betrayed. If Yoda had stayed behind at the Jedi Temple, he'd have had to fight Anakin/Vadar and kill him (or miraculously ignore the whole thing).
They needed him somewhere where he was cut off from events but could survive somehow for later. That's why.
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And Leia DID know she was adopted; Luke asked specifically, "do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"
Yeah but she had concussion at the time from falling off the speeder....ummm....yeah. that explains everything :D
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The other annoying thing about Episode 3 is that you need a legion of fanbois to fill in the gaps so it makes sense:
No, it made perfect sense. I saw the cartoons (probably the high point of MURDER. I know everything there is to know.
It's DEAD. HE KILLED IT. HE TOOK HIS ****ING HAN...
We've been through that already.
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Hayden is a ****ty actor.
Look at that 'Shattered Glass' or whatever the **** it was called. He's balls.
I actually thought he was quite good in Shattered Glass.
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I'm not a fan of all this Samurai bull**** - the fencing of the Original Trilogy was far superior.
While I agree in general - the whole wire-fu (poorly executed wire-fu at that) and flashy wushu crap that the new ones have had has been highly silly - I must point out that the Vader/Obi-Wan duel in Ep.4 is one of the worst pieces of swordplay, realistic or no, that I have ever seen. It's utter ****e. Vader's fight with Luke on Cloud City is very good, however. I can't remember much of the one on the Death Star in ROTJ (I haven't seen it for years), but the bit at the end where Vader loses his arm struck me as stupid. The rest I think was pretty good, though...
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Both General Grevious and Windu were much better in Clone Wars.
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The other annoying thing about Episode 3 is that you need a legion of fanbois to fill in the gaps so it makes sense:
- Opening space battle: So, it just peters and stops once the Jedi land on the ship and start crashing it? Was that what it was about? One ship? Also, those mouse droid things annoying the piss out of the fighters... why, oh why, did it not occur to those powerful Jedi Knights and Masters to use a teeny tiny bit of the Force to sweep those critters off their ships??
The reason the battle stopped was because Greivous was the only reason the Seperatists weren't wiped out years ago. With him floating off into space the fleet was basically ****ed. And the whole point of the attack was to cause a distraction while they captured Palpatine to try and force the Republic to surrender. So when that failed, and with Greivous incapacitated, the fleet bugged out. And they never force-pushed the droids off the ships because they're idiots.
- I need to see the movie again to argue this point better, since it was very forgettable, but there was some major conflict in how the Jedi handled Dooku and how they handled Palpatine... or rather, how they handled Anakin's handling of those situations.
They only wanted Dooku alive so they could press him about who the Sith Lord was and gain strategic information from him to help with the war. Palpatine's life held no value and his continued existence only served as a threat to the Republic.
- Yoda on the Wookie planet... why? That whole scene had absolutely NO bearing on the story WHATsoever... and the gratituous Chewie cameo was just salt on an already open wound.
Merchandising. And possibly to show that Chewie isn't just a thug and had reasons for hating the Empire. But I liked him better as a regular alien thug.
- That bad-ass robot/Jedi General, Grevious (what's with the sucky names, Lucas??!?)... where was his bad-assness?? He had 4 seperate lightsabers, yet Obi-wan was able to hold him off with ONE???
He was a killing machine in Clone Wars, but Windu crushes his chest right at the end, which is why he's wheezing and can't fight for **** in ROTS.
- The "romantic" dialogue between Anakin and Padme... "I love you cuz you're pretty..." "No, I love you more..." "No, I love YOU more!" "No, I -" {*****-slap}
Yeah, and the fact that neither of them can act didn't exactly improve the scene either.
- Palpatine's retarded "Power!!!" chant before they take down Mace... I felt like puking. That belonged in The Incredibles, or in Spiderman... not in SW.
They needed to kill Windu and they needed to cram how evil Palpatine is down your throat before they did.
- Anakin's betrayal indeed happened far too fast to be reasonable, but perhaps that was the point...
No. Vader was not an idiot. He was all deep and complex and ****.
- Anakin's lava battle with Obi-Wan was the ONLY redeeming part of the whole movie, a part which they promptly ruined y segueing to....
It would've been good if it hadn't been about 3 hours long. Actually, no, it was **** anyway. I'm not a fan of all this Samurai bull**** - the fencing of the Original Trilogy was far superior.
- "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Darth Frankenstein, indeed. :rolleyes:
That was by far the single stupidest part of the movie - especially given that he was actively trying to kill Padme anyway.
- Continuity error: in ROTJ (#6), Leia says she remembers her mother was very beautiful, but sad. How did she know this, since Padme freakin DIES right after childbirth??
The Force, foo. She was Force-sensetive even before birth.
Holy ****! I'm completly agreeing with an0n on this one. Granted he can be self-rightous bastard, but he's a clever bastard, when it comes to pointing out the obvious.
Even Kavin 'Junior' ****ing Anderson's Kyp Duron had more drama, though I've grown accustomed to the man selling sysnopses as novels.
Though you gotta give ROTS a few good points too:
Hayden is finally somewhat comfortable in the role. It's not evident during the fist watch, but he's developed something akin to a presence - he's no David Prowse by a far shot, but still- with an aura of confidence and power.
Though his demise into the darkside is shallow, (with a better story his fall could have indeed become a saga and tale of its own,) once there, his portrayal of a man who is tormented by his percieved betrayal and the self-fufilling prophecy of doom is not so bad.
No wonder his confrontation with Obi-Wan is the high point of the movie.
I also like that the jedi knights are *not* portrayed as the infallable pillars of justice and rightness that the original trilogy would have left us to believe.
The jedi are arrogant, stuck in their ivory tower. They tie themselves up in a dogma, while interpreting the actual code would puzzle even a jedi who tries to interpret it on his own. - On this side the conflict is done some 'political justice'.
The same can't be said about the Sith - when you get right down to it, they're just another bunch of totelitarian megalomanic bastards. Ian McDiarmid valiantly tries to infuse some semblance of ideology or rightsousness into them, but it remains just tucked on cosmetics.
(I'm a Sith sympatizer, though my image of an ideal Sith is closer to what Kyle Katarn portreys in the NJO books)
The definite high point of the movie - or all of the 'new trilogy' is Ewan McGregor's performance. The guy's fantastic. Granted the writting is ****ty, but he slips into Kenobi's guise with an enviable grace.
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End of the line:
If I want Star Wars - ergo drama with moral high tones about sacrifice and redemption - I'll go play the KOTOR series or read Timothy Zahn's and Michael Stackpole's books.
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I'm honestly still annoyed with the fact that Jedi wear robes like Obi-Wan. HE WORE THOSE ROBES BECAUSE HE LIVED IN THE ****ING DESERT! Everyone there wore clothes along those lines.
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No, actually I'm pretty sure that all the jedi wear those robes because it "symbolizes that they are equals with all citizens" or something like that. But yea, ROTS was ****e.
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The movie makes as much sense as.... say.... The Demented Cartoon Movie (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php)
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The Demented Cartoon Movie's dialogue was much better thought out.
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[q]The "romantic" dialogue between Anakin and Padme... "I love you cuz you're pretty..." "No, I love you more..." "No, I love YOU more!" "No, I -" [/q]
You've never done that? :nervous:
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[q]The "romantic" dialogue between Anakin and Padme... "I love you cuz you're pretty..." "No, I love you more..." "No, I love YOU more!" "No, I -" [/q]
You've never done that? :nervous:
With Natalie Portman?? I WISH! :p
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You mean you have? :wtf:
DEATH.
Ehh, **** you Sandwich for your premature posting :p
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No, not with Natalie Portland. Frankly I'd be doing far more interesting things during my time with her (;7)
[q]DEATH.[/q]
Just for that? Or because you thought it was with NP?
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Just for that. Principles :p
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No, actually I'm pretty sure that all the jedi wear those robes because it "symbolizes that they are equals with all citizens" or something like that. But yea, ROTS was ****e.
And dressing differently from everyone around them, more specifically like they were from Tantooine, accomplishes this how?
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It's because of the religious overtone Lucas was trying to copy off monks.
Oh wait, that's not the in-story reason.
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The movie was 'meh'. 3/5. Better than most movies, but other than that, PPLLLBBBTTTT (spiting noise)!
#1: Not enough space battles. Sure the first one was big, but after that, that was pretty much it! Needs LOTS more space scenes.
#2: Moves I, II, and III were sorta poopy. numbers IV, V, and VI were MUCH better.
#3: How come in 1, 2, and 3 the people were smarter than in the rest? Why didn't they put a whole bunch of those little booger droids on the two death stars? They got dumber?
#4: droids are too life-like.
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Actually, Portman can act quite well... it's just that nobody in the new trilogy was allowed to act. Heck, for that matter, Hayden may be a good actor... :nervous:
Natalie can act very well! But there were loads of good actors in the prequels! But somehow Lucas directed them all so badly we cant see it. Empire directors guy should have directed the prequals. That was a much better film wize. Lucas is better as a producer, remember he also produced the Indiana Jones trilogy.
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Not really. Spielberg was there to hold his hand every step of the way, and we all know the colossal difference between the two.
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Not really. Spielberg was there to hold his hand every step of the way, and we all know the colossal difference between the two.
What i mean was that he had a massive part to play. :) And look at Empure strikes back. Much better acting,m much better movie.
Ed
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Lots of good criticisms of the movie here, at The Editing Room. (http://ter.air0day.com/?script=revengeofthesith)
EWAN MCGREGOR
So, what's with the coughing,
do droids get colds or
something?
GENERAL GREVIOUS
(wheezing)
Oh no, see, I'm a cyborg, not a
droid. Check it out, I have an
actual beating heart.
EWAN shoots it and GREVIOUS'S HEAD explodes in a ball of
fire.
EWAN MCGREGOR
That made sense.
A couple more things:
The Empire Strikes back is universally considered to be the best of all the movies, and--significantly--it was the only one neither written nor directed by Lucas.
It's horrible how the opening sequence LOOKS like a video game. I mean, come on... "Shoot the center eye"? He's been doing this kind of stuff throughout the prequel trilogy and it's jarring compared to the rest of the movie.
Vader's rehabilitation scene, where he dons the mask and takes his first breath, was virtually guaranteed to be the single most dramatic moment in the prequels, from the moment they were announced. It was considered to be so full of darkness and significance that it would be impossible to screw it up... but he did. As if his first words as the legendary Darth Vader weren't cringe-worthy enough, "NNNOOOOOOOOoooooo!" is utterly, completely, totally inexcuseable.
Although he DID resolve the issues he brought up in Episode I about Qui-Gon not vanishing and C-3PO's memory, he did it in the most spectacularly manipulative, hackish and unconvincing way possible in the last dialogue of the movie. I felt cheated.
He shouldn't have killed Padme. Why would he do that if Leia specifically has memories of her? (I bet they're gonna remove that line in the next revision of the Trilogy.) For that matter, why did Padme have 'nothing to live for'? Doesn't she have two brand new kids?
There's a whole host of other issues, with continuity, storytelling and general cinematography. Why did it take 20 years to build the first Death Star while the second took only three? Why does Anakin's irredeemable reversal take all of thirty seconds? And why, oh why did he cut from two minutes of the exterior of black space to the blinding white of the inside of the Tantive IV? That physically hurt my eyes!
It was better than the first two, but it still sucked.
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Not really. Spielberg was there to hold his hand every step of the way, and we all know the colossal difference between the two.
After War Of The Worlds, I'm not too sure I do.
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And the Padme death scene was stupid.
It'd've made far more sense to have had Annakin get more pissed at Obi Wan after he used Padme to track him down, then Obi Wan gives a big speech about how evil Annakin's become, kicks his ass (but doesn't maul him) and leaves with Padme - literally dragging Padme away as she tries to help Annakin. Then Obi Wan and Padme fly off to Tatooine to hook up with Organa and get Padme safely to Alderaan (with her giving birth on the way there). But by the time they arrive, Annakin's already put a bounty out for Obi Wan's head and Padme's safe return. He gets a tip-off from Greedo that they're headed to Tatooine, intercepts them in high orbit, boards the ship and starts fighting Obi Wan. Then as they come in on approach to Mos Eisley the Hutts shoot down her ship to try and collect the bounty - killing Padme and leaving Annakin crippled, burned and generally maimed (and also in close proximity to Padme when she dies). Organa reaches the crash site and finds Obi Wan and the kids. Obi Wan senses the Force swirling about Luke and decides it'd be best to leave him on Tatooine where he could keep an eye on him, with Organa taking Leia as originally planned. Then you've got R2D2 tagging along with Oragana, dragging the battered remains of C3PO who is subsequently reformatted and put into service on Organa's ship.
Tada! I bettered the official plot with 10 minutes of random musings. That's how bad it was.
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Meh. Spielberg's WotW is the best 1950s monster movie ever made, it's just 50 years late. I'd rather watch Independance Day for an alien attack movie, or Mars Attacks! for a '50s homage, or E.T. for Spielberg's aliens, or if I'm desperate Signs for Children In Peril (TM).
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And the Padme death scene was stupid.
It'd've made far more sense to have had Annakin get more pissed at Obi Wan after he used Padme to track him down, then Obi Wan gives a big speech about how evil Annakin's become, kicks his ass (but doesn't maul him) and leaves with Padme - literally dragging Padme away as she tries to help Annakin. Then Obi Wan and Padme fly off to Tatooine to hook up with Organa and get Padme safely to Alderaan (with her giving birth on the way there). But by the time they arrive, Annakin's already put a bounty out for Obi Wan's head and Padme's safe return. He gets a tip-off from Greedo that they're headed to Tatooine, intercepts them in high orbit, boards the ship and starts fighting Obi Wan. Then as they come in on approach to Mos Eisley the Hutts shoot down her ship to try and collect the bounty - killing Padme and leaving Annakin crippled, burned and generally maimed (and also in close proximity to Padme when she dies). Organa reaches the crash site and finds Obi Wan and the kids. Obi Wan senses the Force swirling about Luke and decides it'd be best to leave him on Tatooine where he could keep an eye on him, with Organa taking Leia as originally planned. Then you've got R2D2 tagging along with Oragana, dragging the battered remains of C3PO who is subsequently reformatted and put into service on Organa's ship.
Tada! I bettered the official plot with 10 minutes of random musings. That's how bad it was.
It was already established that his burns were caused by falling into lava, though by how they butchered the other preestablished cannon that could have been ignored easily.
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Hell something on the order of: Anakin's hand gets chopped off by Obi-Wan, he gets truly pissed(tm) and chokes Obi while they've been dueling over a convenient rock bridge over the lava.
Padme's ship dramatically flies in from under the bridge and she sees what's happening to Obi-Wan. Quick flash to her memories of Anakin and the Emporer together, how they've been torn apart and he's blindly serving him instead of the ideas behind the Republic, her eyes watering as she fires the ship's guns into the bridge behind Anakin.
Bridge collapses, Anakin grabs onto the stone with his good robotic-hand, clawing to keep his grip but quickly slips. Obi-Wan falls down and composes himself grabbing his saber as well as Anakin's and hops onto the ship's ramp.
The ship begins to take off, Kenobi walks into the bridge and sees Padme crying on the controls. She killed Anakin.
Anakin falls into the sea of cinders and bursts into flame, we see the ship fly off in the distance as his charred body looks towards it. There are some tears in his eyes but it's mainly tears of anger.
During the birth scene there's a small line about her losing a lot of blood, but they can keep her stable until they reach Alderaan. Padme asks Obi-Wan if when she dies she'll rejoin Anakin when she becomes one with the Force, and whether or not he will forgive her. Obi-Wan nods saying that he knows that what you did was the will of the Force, but also says that she has many long years before that, and he is certain that she will be crucial in defeating Palpatine to make the galaxy better for her newly born children. She then looks at Obi-Wan and says that she knows that Luke and Leia will be safe with him, smiles, and says that she can almost see him already. Obi-Wan definately looks concerned, holds her hand and tells her that her time is not yet but she lets go.
Yoda then walks in with a grim expression, insert comment about attachments causing suffering and sensing a terrible disturbance in the Force.
Cut to the Emperor finding Anakin's body, clearly dead or almost dead and he concentrates and he starts breathing. (Sith coaxing life out of the Force, minus the whole nematoad thing) "She betrayed the Republic... she betrayed me..." line that he says while clearly in pain. "Lord Vader, it pains me to inform you that Padme has died. Died at the hands of the last of the Jedi."
Vader is silent, clearly angry. "Let your anger give focus, but be mindful of what must be done. Our new Empire will keep others from being harmed by those such as the Jedi. Come my friend, you have suffered long enough."
Cut to Vader suit scene, his charred and burnt lower legs (bones peeping through and all) get cut off and replaced with robo-legs(tm) and the only dialog here is the "Yes Master." Also the chair bit would be redesigned a little to be less "Frakenvader" and also no lightening. Just rain.
Overall, a little more plausible here and there :p
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It was already established that his burns were caused by falling into lava, though by how they butchered the other preestablished cannon that could have been ignored easily.
Books are not canon.
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Good thing Woolie Wool dissapeared into the depths. He'd argue that Star Wars fanboy crap with you on that.
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It was already established that his burns were caused by falling into lava, though by how they butchered the other preestablished cannon that could have been ignored easily.
Books are not canon.
I'm fairly sure that Lucas officially stated it somewhere, but I'm not willing to try to dig it up.
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Books are treated as canon except where the movies contradict them.
Although Lucas doesn't seem to give a damn about the books, although he at least likes the comics.
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Books are treated as canon except where the movies contradict them.
Although Lucas doesn't seem to give a damn about the books, although he at least likes the comics.
....that didn't prevent him from taking Timothy Zahn's Coruscant as is into his movies.
Then again, Zahn copied it from Asimov's Trantor.
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Rent n Rip. At least you're out 5 bucks at the most.
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Not really. Spielberg was there to hold his hand every step of the way, and we all know the colossal difference between the two.
After War Of The Worlds, I'm not too sure I do.
War of the Worlds was a side project initiated by the insane scientologic yours truly.
Just wait for Munich (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/). It's like "The Jew strikes back".
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Oh come on you guys. Stop taking Star Wars so seriously. It hasn't been serious since RotJ so get over it. Revenge of the Sith was suitably dark ending to a franchise which has lost all it's charm and credibility. On the other hand it was action packed and at least as much fun as any other film where everyone seems to get killed and/or have all their limbs chopped off. So accept it for what it is, buy the DVD, stop mourning the death of Star Wars and move on with your collective lives. So there :P
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It was already established that his burns were caused by falling into lava, though by how they butchered the other preestablished cannon that could have been ignored easily.
Books are not canon.
I'm fairly sure that Lucas officially stated it somewhere, but I'm not willing to try to dig it up.
I remember reading it was a volcano somewhere, way before the prequels were being considered.
But IPs right; it's not meant to be taken that seriously or overanalysed (remember, you can't analyse without anal). If you found it a reasonable diversion on a wet Sunday, then fine. If not, don't buy it and stop bloody whinging.
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Why didn't they put a whole bunch of those little booger droids on the two death stars?
Good point actually? Even if you come up with some fanboi **** to explain them losing the blueprints for the Trade Federations combat droids they did have 20 years to come up with new ones so why on Earth were the empire so reliant on Stormtroopers with their inability to shoot straight?
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Why didn't they put a whole bunch of those little booger droids on the two death stars?
Good point actually? Even if you come up with some fanboi **** to explain them losing the blueprints for the Trade Federations combat droids they did have 20 years to come up with new ones so why on Earth were the empire so reliant on Stormtroopers with their inability to shoot straight?
The fanboi ****, i believe, is simply that the robots weren't very good. And they were then replaced by clones, which were then replaced by people (because the cloning vats were destroyed), because people are in some ways easier to use and abuse than a machine. Or cheaper. Maybe it was just a galactic recession.
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Most people say the original Trilogy is better, but i think both trilogies are good, just in different ways. The Original trilogy has deep characters and originality, and a certain sense of deep meaning to the films. The prequel trilogy is a bit more shallow, but the special fx and amazing sense of scale (seeing the whole galaxy & crap) are just mind bending!
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I thought the reliance on special effects was actually detrimental to its quality as a movie. Sure, it looked great from stills, but in motion it just lacked any sense of involvement.
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This was mentioned earlier, but it's always bugged me: during the huge space battle in the beginning, after Anakin crashes the spaceship on the planet (how the fugnuts did THAT survive), did, what, the enemy just go away? I know it was because "Grievous floated away so everything fell apart" but I mean, come on, they have an enemy assaulting the homeworld, but they can still spare enough gunships to tow things around, and people are still zipping around as if nothing is happening? No explosions in the sky, no nothing, they land and walk away, and then the bad guys magically disappear.
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I thought the reliance on special effects was actually detrimental to its quality as a movie. Sure, it looked great from stills, but in motion it just lacked any sense of involvement.
Yep. Especially where the whole-3D sets are concerned.
They tend to keep the camera at a distance from the actors purely so they can show off the expensive scenery - which is ****ing appauling from a directorial standpoint.
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I thought the reliance on special effects was actually detrimental to its quality as a movie. Sure, it looked great from stills, but in motion it just lacked any sense of involvement.
It looked somewhat cartoonish, I thought. I think it'll age very badly, far more than the original trilogy will/has.
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The main bit about special effects that bothered me is that, in the OT, those ships were actually real. There actually was a Falcon model; there actually was a physical surface of the Death Star. And you could tell it; when watching those scenes, you thought that what you were looking at was a full-sized, honest-to-God spaceship. And then there are things like Yoda; he's actually standing there, floppy ears and all. The Ewok army (and no badmouthing them; Ewoks rawk ;)) was actually a bunch of little guys in furry suits; Jabba was some unlucky SOB in a really disgusting costume. Fast-forward to TPM, and take a look at something like the Naboo fighters or royal transport. They stick out like a sore thumb; they're just a flashy computer trick. The same thing goes for all of the aliens; they look like something you should be seeing on a beer commercial, not a Star Wars film. That suspension of disbelief is utterly shattered, and you realize that you're just watching a movie, instead of feeling like you've been transported to a very distant, very real galaxy. Even above the terrible writing/acting, that's what killed the new trilogy for me. You can say what you want about how you think the OT's acting was just as bad (which I'll never buy), but you can't deny the special effects. I didn't want to watch a videogame of Star Wars; I wanted to watch the real thing, damn it. What I find to be funniest of all is that a volunteer bunch of coders, modelers, and artists, using a 5-year-old game engine, can still generate effects that blow Lucas's out of the water. Kudos to you guys, but shame on Lucas.
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What I find to be funniest of all is that a volunteer bunch of coders, modelers, and artists, using a 5-year-old game engine, can still generate effects that blow Lucas's out of the water.
Hmm, dont know about that my friend :D
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Heh, well, I've said it before and I'll say it again, there was no acting in the prequels to match Lukes final face-off with his father, Anakins battle with the dark side was little more than a token resistance compared to Luke, and when he turned for a moment, you could be easily convinced that not Vader, Windu or anyone could have stopped him.
I agree that the combat from the original series was better, at least in the ROTJ, more using the sabre as a weapon, less using it as a Nightclub dance-stick. And even the space combat had things called 'characters' whose progress you could follow, and the battle wasn't so frantic that you couldn't actually tell how it was going or, indeed, who was shooting at whom. Maybe not as realistic or chaotic as a real battle, but it's a story (or, at least, was supposed to be). Not to mention the fact that the Battle of Endor was carried through stupendously using 4 different sets of characters in different locations (Lando, Han etc, Luke, Admiral Ackbar), remember, 50% of those characters weren't even around in the first film. That's the importance of putting weight on the characters and plot, instead of the special effects.
That was the thing about TOS, things felt 'real' the Falcon was beaten up and grimy, even the X-wings had much from the exhaust ports on them etc, whereas everything seemed too shiny in the prequels. At the end of the day, it felt like I was watching 3 rolling promos for Industrial Light and Magic :( In fact, I was almost half-expecting Buzz Lightyear to show up at some point :/
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That was the thing about TOS, things felt 'real' the Falcon was beaten up and grimy, even the X-wings had much from the exhaust ports on them etc, whereas everything seemed too shiny in the prequels. At the end of the day, it felt like I was watching 3 rolling promos for Industrial Light and Magic :( In fact, I was almost half-expecting Buzz Lightyear to show up at some point :/
Actually, that was the main thing ROTS had going for it over TPM and AOTC... they had (computer-generated) grime on the (computer-generated) ships. Still far inferior to real grime on real models, but it was certainly better than the previous 2 movies in that regard.
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Heh, I didn't even notice to be honest, I just wondered why they had to use an entire cartoon series to build up General Grievous for this film when, with the original films, they had to do all the merchandising and background afterwards. I'm sure that's some kind of ambiguous comment on how strong the original characters were, and how much external support the new characters needed...
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Even then, for some reason Lucas felt it was necessary to give Grievous the wheezing cough.
How different the reaction to Darth Vader would've been if he'd keeled over coughing and wheezing just seconds after stepping through the door of the Tantive IV...
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Lucas felt it was necessary to give Grievous the wheezing cough.
Oh yes the famous cough. Silly, ill conceived, unfunny, and distracting all at the same. It works on so many levels. Genius!
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Why didn't they put a whole bunch of those little booger droids on the two death stars?
Good point actually? Even if you come up with some fanboi **** to explain them losing the blueprints for the Trade Federations combat droids they did have 20 years to come up with new ones so why on Earth were the empire so reliant on Stormtroopers with their inability to shoot straight?
well the Kaminos in the 2nd episode did say clones are superiour to droids.
on the subject, the guy who placed the order (Jedi master,forgot his name) who was he ?
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Not too sure of the name, I seem to recall that he was a Jedi that had vanished a few years before hand, though I've also heard it suggested that the name was Count Dooku's original name.
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Sypher Dias. Couldn't remember for the life of me.
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Heh, I didn't even notice to be honest, I just wondered why they had to use an entire cartoon series to build up General Grievous for this film when, with the original films, they had to do all the merchandising and background afterwards. I'm sure that's some kind of ambiguous comment on how strong the original characters were, and how much external support the new characters needed...
RotJ really had a "and here's our new toy line!" feel at a lot of chunks too though...
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I didn't really get that feel. I suppose the B-Wings and Admiral Ackbar and possibly the Ewoks were the only toys that actually 'came' from ROTJ, though the main characters changed enough that they released, for example, and Episode 4 AND an Episode 6 version of Darth Vader, but the success of the Original series was as much a surprise, I think, to Lucas as it was to the actors. Admittedly, Alec Guiness and Vincent Price wouldn't have got involved if they hadn't seem something, but no-one was expecting what happened.
The recent three Episodes were the other way around, it was like... 'Right, first up, what kind of marketable material can we fit into this film? Once we've sorted that out, we'll start looking at the plot etc.'
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****, they could have easily fitted the first (prequel) film into the opening crawl of the 2nd, after all.........
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The Ewoks are the real flaw of Episode VI. That, and the fact that Gary Kurtz left after ESB.
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but... but... the cuteness!!
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Early drafts called for them to be Wookies, but Wookies just wouldn't market as well as Ewoks :rolleyes:
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Yet more plausible.
Then again, it's Star Wars. Plausibility doesn' t matter. Yay sci-fi!
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Heh, from what I remember, the original idea was wookies, but the costume department would have been facing the biggest challenge since Planet of the Apes. Someone suggested that maybe having a small, inoffensive-seeming race that the Empire assumed were no threat might be a good plot-twist. Apparently Lucas somehow confused the two into small innoffensive Wookies, hence the Ewoks which is only really an anagram of a 'Wok-e' which is, at a leap, a short version of Wookie.
And yes, I made that last bit up on the spot :P
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I personally thought he just reversed the syllables.
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What's the problem with Ewoks? Cute little buggers...deadly with a good-sized rock in their hands...throw one hell of a barbeque...provide much better comic relief than Jar-Jar could ever dream of, mainly because they can't say a word of English...manage to make the most well-trained fighting force in the galaxy look like a bunch of idiots. Honestly, I'll never understand why the Ewoks get so much hate. Where's the wuv? :p
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Wookies would kick the Ewoks' collective ass.
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Ewoks were like Neanderthal Carebears though...
Personally I think it worked, if for no other reason than Han Solo had pretty much the same opinion of the Ewoks as the audience did, ie. 'WTF?'.
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Ewoks are ugly little bastards, though. Sure, they might be short and furry, but look at their beady little eyes!
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/StarWars/images/BookImages/ewok.jpg)
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It's the teeth that get me.
Right, who's going to photoshop on some bling?
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Hmmm, how many people saw the Ewok spinoffs?
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Bash not the Ewoks, lest they come pay thee and thine a visit in the wee hours of the night...
Oh, and...
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Even then, for some reason Lucas felt it was necessary to give Grievous the wheezing cough.
How different the reaction to Darth Vader would've been if he'd keeled over coughing and wheezing just seconds after stepping through the door of the Tantive IV...
Both Vader and Grevious had a breathing problem. Darth Vader's hooooooooooo-pppppppprrrrrrrrrrrr, when mixed with David Prowse's sheer height and build and the evil dark uniform is simply much more badass than the weak little *cough* *wheeze* *hack* from Grevious.
Then again, Grevious's thick accent kind of blurs the whole part about him anyways.
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http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-05-22.shtml
Orson Scott Card's review of the movie.
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http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-05-22.shtml
Orson Scott Card's review of the movie.
...Wow. Just wow. I was laughing my head off at the end. Awesome.
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Yeah, the way he described me made me think about watching it again.
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Yeah, the way he described me made me think about watching it again.
...Hayden? Is that you??
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I'm no great movie critic but I can identify crap when it's waved in front of me.
I don't understand why so many people back this movie based on it simply being better than the previous two. It's like the people who advocate watching this movie are grasping for the poorest reasons why you should. Every critic that's given the movie its just desserts has a fairly long list of stuff-that-is-bad-about-ROTS.
I think I'd be annoyed if I was given ROTS nevermind buying it.
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There's no doubt RotS is a bad movie, but there's nothing to stop a bad movie being an enjoyable movie. Take this for example.
http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/default.php
Horrible movie. Fantastic fun.
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In nutshell:
Visuals: Good
Music: Goooood (The only thing, I actually truly enjoyed)
Acting and Dialogue: Baaaaaaaaaaaad (except for bad ol' Palpy)
Worst ?
I find it's actually the beginning, the battle appearing out of thin air...ummm space, and all.
The cheesy lines, the little droidcritters/missiles and the overall lack of physics.
For the last (I hope) time GL, Spaceships are not airplanes !
Guess that's why I love B5 so much...
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Yeah, the way he described me made me think about watching it again.
...Hayden? Is that you??
Hayden sure knows how to code well.
And from the article.
There ought to be an Oscar category for Best Acting with a Desperately Bad Script.
So true.