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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on February 09, 2006, 12:21:21 pm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4698072.stm
Just as well I couldn't give a ****, I suppose. Are they really expecting people to pay a gigantic wodge of cash for a new OS' to play a game that isn't actually even that 'modern'? Because otherwise, it's a rather nonsensical decision.
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i had heard rumours that Halo 2 was porting to the PC but thats stupid! i wouldn't pay for it, not if am going to fork out a huge amount of cash for a new OS and advanced hardware, just hope UT07 dosen't go that way!
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Microsoft's business practices make me LOL.
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Most idiotic MS choice ever. The only thing this will do is increase the number of people pirating Vista.
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It amazes me how much Microsoft can compound stupid decisons.
I'd sooner upgrade my hardware than spend $250 on a single game.
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I imagine there'll be an XP patch/crack made by someone soon after the game is released. There's probably no technical reason why it can't run on XP if it uses DirectX. And with the usual ingenuity of the crackers, there'll be little reason to actually buy either title.
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If it had upgraded graphics it might be worth acquiring, but if not then this just a dumb idea.
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Something to do with 64bit then?
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Probably the WGF or whatever it was that they were planning on using as direct X's successor. Seem to remember that backporting it to XP had some issues, something about hardware access level allowed or something like that. Might be that the thing won't actually work on XP.
But that said, does anyone really care? It's an outdated game, and much of it's appeal was because the platform it was on didn't have anywhere near the amount of very strong contenders in the same genre as the PC does.
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Who cares about Halo 2? What I want to play is SCDA and UT2007, and whenever it comes out, STALKER.
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Lmao, yea, M$ overestimates how much people care about Halo 2. The don't realize that PC gamers have better shooters to play on the PC. It seems Microsoft has lost track of it's old core audience, and is treating us like console gamers now; Hurry! Buy a whole new system to play the sequel to a lackluster game! No thanks, M$.
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That's why it'll probably be Vista only. There's no real market for it on the PC, so why not just make the loyal PC fans pay for Vista while they're at it.
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BURN MICROSOFT!
*burns a M$ Flag*
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(http://toastytech.com/news/nochoice.gif)
http://toastytech.com/evil/index.html Old as hell, still a great site though.
Feels very cuddly and reminds me of the old days of the interweb.
Plus the DooM midis fit it quite nicely. :D
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Direct X 10 - or Direct X as their calling it (roman numerals) is intergrated into Vista, in fact vista requires it to run. Halo 2 will probably be ported over to be reliable on DX10 - even though this is stupid as it could probably run on DX7...
And dont think of it as spending 200+ quid on a game - youll upgrade to vista eventually. pirate or not.
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Singleplayer Halo 2 isn't too great, but multiplayer is AWESOME.
It would be stupid to do Vista only though. I don't know anyone who's going to upgrade for a port of a 2 year old game.
EDIT: All the currently released maps + custom map maker? I bet Halo CE (custom edition) people will jump for this.
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Direct X 10 - or Direct X as their calling it (roman numerals) is intergrated into Vista, in fact vista requires it to run. Halo 2 will probably be ported over to be reliable on DX10 - even though this is stupid as it could probably run on DX7...
And dont think of it as spending 200+ quid on a game - youll upgrade to vista eventually. pirate or not.
Halo 2 is DX8/9.
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Singleplayer Halo 2 isn't too great, but multiplayer is AWESOME.
It would be stupid to do Vista only though. I don't know anyone who's going to upgrade for a port of a 2 year old game.
EDIT: All the currently released maps + custom map maker? I bet Halo CE (custom edition) people will jump for this.
All twelve of them..............(I remember Gearbox developers *****ing about it, but it's largely their fault for making such a sloppy conversion)
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They better include co-op this time, especially since it's being done in house.
(http://www.bungie.net/images/News/TopNewsIcons/vista_chief.gif)
:lol:
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They better include co-op this time, especially since it's being done in house.
Does the original (halo 2) have co-op over network or just split screen? Because if it's the former, I doubt they'll add it in for a PC conversion that is unlikely to do particularly well.
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It's split screen only. (damnit!)
If they don't include online co-op in Halo 3, Bungie will be quite behind the curve.
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I disagree. What makes console multiplayer fun in my opinion is the split screen. You have to be physically there, socially with the person you're playing with or against. Voiceover and such helps a little, but there's no substitute for the human contact. Back in the days I used to play Goldeneye, I remember the most fun part of multi was the reactions of the people you were playing against, and you just can't get that through a cable.
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But I like having the whole screen!
Anyway, no one said they had to get rid of splitscreen co-op, just have online co-op as well please!
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I'm all for it (if it is real) seeing as I'm going to get a new PC sometime this year anyway.
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I disagree. What makes console multiplayer fun in my opinion is the split screen. You have to be physically there, socially with the person you're playing with or against. Voiceover and such helps a little, but there's no substitute for the human contact. Back in the days I used to play Goldeneye, I remember the most fun part of multi was the reactions of the people you were playing against, and you just can't get that through a cable.
Multiplayer is always better with a mate...........
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I wonder how Bungie will tie it exclusively to Vista. Maybe use some nice little proprietary timer code that's exclusive to it, or something equally sneaky. If it's just a version check, it'll be cracked in days. :p
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Vista...What kind of name is that :eek2:
Longhorn was much cooler.
As for the Halo 2 itself, never had any experience for the Halo, or Halo 2 for that matter.
MAYBE I would have considered buying, if it weren't such a resource hog
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That was Gearbox's fault.
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ooops, my bad.
That's brings up a question:
Is the Gearbox involved in Halo 2 as well ?
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ooops, my bad.
That's brings up a question:
Is the Gearbox involved in Halo 2 as well ?
Nope. In-house-but-side development team, IIRC Bungie were recruiting specifically for a port team rather than handing it off.
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i only have this to do:
:wakka:
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I disagree. What makes console multiplayer fun in my opinion is the split screen. You have to be physically there, socially with the person you're playing with or against. Voiceover and such helps a little, but there's no substitute for the human contact. Back in the days I used to play Goldeneye, I remember the most fun part of multi was the reactions of the people you were playing against, and you just can't get that through a cable.
Agreed. Back playing Halo (1) I found a rocket launcher on a DM game with our kid and ran after him firing rockets. Watching them flying past his head in his viewport was proper funny.
I actually quike liked Halo2 but it's what, 2 years old ?
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Yeah I posted a civilized yet bitter post on their site expressing my concern that Bungie had become completely Microsoft 'incorporated', and that I only hope that future games do not suffer because of it.
I have a sneaking suspicion that my post was deleted... =/
I am irate towards the Bungie web team, often imature and scornfull.
But I tell myself what do I expect, especially from a Microsoft integrated company based in Texas. (err... no offense btw)
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Based in Texas???
What the hell are you talking about?
And, the Bungie team themselves still seem open to the possibility of Halo 2 for their Mac faithful (you know, the fans they had BEFORE Halo).
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Don't deny me my phantasy damn it! ><
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Never cared that much for Halo anyway. Too much thinking, too little gore, attitude and sheer fun. FPS's have been going downhill since Duke Nukem 3D if you ask me.
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Are you on crack? I think the have gotten much better.
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Direct X 10 - or Direct X as their calling it (roman numerals) is intergrated into Vista, in fact vista requires it to run. Halo 2 will probably be ported over to be reliable on DX10 - even though this is stupid as it could probably run on DX7...
And dont think of it as spending 200+ quid on a game - youll upgrade to vista eventually. pirate or not.
Halo 2 is DX8/9.
In other words they've upgraded the DX code in the Halo engine just so they can force people to buy Vista. Not the best design practise in the world.
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I've heard DX9.0c is designed to be non-backwards compatible with earlier versions, so it's probably part of a trend.
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I've heard DX9.0c is designed to be non-backwards compatible with earlier versions, so it's probably part of a trend.
So in other words, I may want to avoid that update in order to play games that use previous versions of DirectX?
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I've heard DX9.0c is designed to be non-backwards compatible with earlier versions, so it's probably part of a trend.
So in other words, I may want to avoid that update in order to play games that use previous versions of DirectX?
Um, I'm not entirely sure - I am 99.9% sure developers can't compile older code with a 9.0c SDK, though; I remember reading a post from a developer somewhere about how they'd installed the 9.0c devkit on one machine and as a result needed to shift compilation to another machine.
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Are you on crack? I think the have gotten much better.
They have gotten much prettier, yes, but that does not equal better. I don't have half as much fun with Halo 2 or Doom 3 as I do if I fire up Duke Nukem 3D.
There's an initial wow factor with these newer games, I'll grant that, but once that passes there's just something lacking in many of them (not all, of course, but Halo 2 was one for me and there are many others). Essentially, I miss that thing that in old game reviews was represented by the 'gameplay' rating. Graphics, sound, cool weapons, it's all for nothing without that. Plot helps, but even that can't save it on its own.
It's one of the things that keeps FS2 retail on my list of the best games even today, and all the SCP enhancements really would be for nothing if the original game didn't already have that something that kept you thrilled for hours on end. Of course, noone would've bothered spending all that time making those enhancements if it didn't have that, either.
So basically, modern advances can improve a game that already has good gameplay (as the SCP has done very well indeed for FS2), but it can't really do anything for one that lacks it no matter how much bling you cram in.
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I for one, have never tired of Halo 2's multiplayer OR singleplayer. Not having heavily scripted events means that enemies react and act differently every time you engage in combat providing a fresh experience every time you play.
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I for one, have never tired of Halo 2's multiplayer OR singleplayer. Not having heavily scripted events means that enemies react and act differently every time you engage in combat providing a fresh experience every time you play.
I think we all know your opinion on Halo by now..........
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I for one, have never tired of Halo 2's multiplayer OR singleplayer. Not having heavily scripted events means that enemies react and act differently every time you engage in combat providing a fresh experience every time you play.
Hmm, seams pretty heavily scripted to me.
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Er, yea. The only thing unscripted about Halo and Halo 2's single player was the enemy AI; and that's nowhere near new. Check Doom 1 for the exact same thing.
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Someone Nix Bungie before they make another horrible game...I'll just keep on playing Unreal Tournament...
Everytime I go into Electronics Botique, or any other game store...I here the ranting of idiodic retards pretending to know something about HARDWARE.
"My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
my response: "do you even realize that a Gigabyte is a term used to define an amount of storage space on media you retard..."
their comeback: "people are gonna like take the processor out and put it in their computers cause it's so much fater..."
my response: "Hey dufus, Xbox 360 uses PowerPC architecture...not compatible in any way with current x86 processors...windows wouldn't recognize it, and oh by the way stupid, you couldn't put it in a motherboard if you wanted to."
I like people who think that Consoles rule...
Not one of these XBOX goof balls even realizes that every single game and piece of software ever written for their pathetic consoles, was written on either a PC, Mac, or Unix box...
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My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
:jaw:
I must have that gig!!
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Everytime I go into Electronics Botique, or any other game store...I here the ranting of idiodic retards pretending to know something about HARDWARE.
"My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
my response: "do you even realize that a Gigabyte is a term used to define an amount of storage space on media you retard..."
their comeback: "people are gonna like take the processor out and put it in their computers cause it's so much fater..."
my response: "Hey dufus, Xbox 360 uses PowerPC architecture...not compatible in any way with current x86 processors...windows wouldn't recognize it, and oh by the way stupid, you couldn't put it in a motherboard if you wanted to."
Tell them you have one of these:
http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/
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I've heard DX9.0c is designed to be non-backwards compatible with earlier versions, so it's probably part of a trend.
So in other words, I may want to avoid that update in order to play games that use previous versions of DirectX?
Um, I'm not entirely sure - I am 99.9% sure developers can't compile older code with a 9.0c SDK, though; I remember reading a post from a developer somewhere about how they'd installed the 9.0c devkit on one machine and as a result needed to shift compilation to another machine.
I have the very latest DX9.0c update installed with no issues on older games that I'm aware of. I should recheck but no problems so far....
I think this is probably true of only the devkit and not the standard install.
Halo is a great FPS in terms of its scope, scale, and style. Alot of FPS's come off as very generic. Halo does to a certain extent with the space marine thing but it does it in style. The Covenant are a really solid adversary because they have a great deal of diversity and a unique culture that is rarely explored in a FPS game. Usually its just "They are the bad guys, shoot, kill destroy." Of course, if thats all your interested in playing a FPS then you probably loose all of that and then it does become a rather generic FPS game at that point.
Some good and bad points to be sure. I play Halo 2 on my X-Box when I'm bored/stressed and need a game that is mindless enough without being too mindless to be annoying.
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Everytime I go into Electronics Botique, or any other game store...I here the ranting of idiodic retards pretending to know something about HARDWARE.
"My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
my response: "do you even realize that a Gigabyte is a term used to define an amount of storage space on media you retard..."
their comeback: "people are gonna like take the processor out and put it in their computers cause it's so much fater..."
my response: "Hey dufus, Xbox 360 uses PowerPC architecture...not compatible in any way with current x86 processors...windows wouldn't recognize it, and oh by the way stupid, you couldn't put it in a motherboard if you wanted to."
Tell them you have one of these:
http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/
I'd like to see Adobe Encore or NeroVision try and screw me over on a system like that. Mwahaha! :D
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Someone Nix Bungie before they make another horrible game...I'll just keep on playing Unreal Tournament...
Everytime I go into Electronics Botique, or any other game store...I here the ranting of idiodic retards pretending to know something about HARDWARE.
"My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
my response: "do you even realize that a Gigabyte is a term used to define an amount of storage space on media you retard..."
their comeback: "people are gonna like take the processor out and put it in their computers cause it's so much fater..."
my response: "Hey dufus, Xbox 360 uses PowerPC architecture...not compatible in any way with current x86 processors...windows wouldn't recognize it, and oh by the way stupid, you couldn't put it in a motherboard if you wanted to."
I like people who think that Consoles rule...
Not one of these XBOX goof balls even realizes that every single game and piece of software ever written for their pathetic consoles, was written on either a PC, Mac, or Unix box...
I used to have a CompArch lecturer who'd go into Dixons/Pc World purely to eviscarate the sales pitch of their stuff ("look, HT technology is so mucy faster....because....er....magic!").
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Actually, funny thing is, I think what MS is doing is saying that it won't run on anything but Vista, so that the majority of people who know nothing about computers will believe them and buy both anyway.
Dead serious.
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I havn't had a game draw me in fully for a long time, with the exception being perhaps FEAR.
But I think to some extent, it's because I've changed. I've grown older, matured and have nearly lost my original sense of being able to look at a handfull of pixels and imagine an entire universe. I miss those days.
I enjoyed both Halo's because I grew warm to the storyline and universe. That's not to say I don't have any qualms. Halo2 increased in graphics but I think it lost some of its story telling ability. Cortana feels like a tag along rather than a partner, Chief feels like he's weakened somewhat, punches in legendary being practically futile. Something just feels off.
The networking code angers me to no end at times. Yet I am somewhat proud I can achieve good results vs arrogant teenages with often 100 - 300+ms lag.
Not to rant too much though, but yeah. Bungie is a bit of a sell out, but I guess one has to be to survive in todays **** eating world of corporate crap.
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I dunno. Last SNES game I played (on an emulator) was Yoshis Island, and it was excellent. Ditto Ocarina of Time on the N64. I think games have lost their fun aspect for the most part, in favour of flashier graphics.
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Those were the top of the pile though, but yeah. It doesn't help when you have the larger companies (such as EA) take over the smaller ones and just pump out the most popular gaming genre with constant remakes of old marginally successfull games.
I love Ocarina of Time. :D
I really should try and dig it up again. :)
*considers harassing Raa* :p
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Someone Nix Bungie before they make another horrible game...I'll just keep on playing Unreal Tournament...
Everytime I go into Electronics Botique, or any other game store...I here the ranting of idiodic retards pretending to know something about HARDWARE.
"My Xbox360 is so way better than your computer...it's got like a Gigabyte..."
my response: "do you even realize that a Gigabyte is a term used to define an amount of storage space on media you retard..."
their comeback: "people are gonna like take the processor out and put it in their computers cause it's so much fater..."
my response: "Hey dufus, Xbox 360 uses PowerPC architecture...not compatible in any way with current x86 processors...windows wouldn't recognize it, and oh by the way stupid, you couldn't put it in a motherboard if you wanted to."
I like people who think that Consoles rule...
Not one of these XBOX goof balls even realizes that every single game and piece of software ever written for their pathetic consoles, was written on either a PC, Mac, or Unix box...
just ask them if it can run photoshop then watch the look on their faces. or tell them it's a mac at heart. ;)
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I love Ocarina of Time. :D
I really should try and dig it up again. :)
I believe OoT is considered one of the best games ever, if not the best. Graphics and sound were excellent for it's age, it's got a story, and most importantly gameplay that can compete with any rival.
You can keep your shiny graphics, but give me a gaming legend any day.
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I love Ocarina of Time. :D
I really should try and dig it up again. :)
I believe OoT is considered one of the best games ever, if not the best. Graphics and sound were excellent for it's age, it's got a story, and most importantly gameplay that can compete with any rival.
You can keep your shiny graphics, but give me a gaming legend any day.
Here Here!
*whack's hammer*
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You mean whack.
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Not one of these XBOX goof balls even realizes that every single game and piece of software ever written for their pathetic consoles, was written on either a PC, Mac, or Unix box...
But my xbox is a linux box...
*is confuzzled*
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You mean whack.
As long as it wasn't 'wanks'..........
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I don't think anybody cares - Halo 2 is not good enough a game for anyone to upgrade their OS and entire hardware rig just to run it - They can make it as pretty as they like, but the game just wasn't that great.
At the moment, the ONLY reason I want to play Halo 3 is to get closure on the story - That's *it*. This is not enough motivation to make me buy an XBox360.
I don't know what's happening with the gaming market; It seems like some magic has been lost over the years - Halo 2 and Half-Life 2 are both far superior to their predecessors technically, but most people I know think the original were more... 'fun'.
I often suspect it's the striving for graphical quality over everything else - Most games seem like they're built around the graphics engine instead of the graphics engine being built around the game!
Most of the games I have fond memories for are ones that have had "Moments".
e.g., in TIE Fighter, the part when I got ordered to take out a mine-field in an unshielded TIE Interceptor, and then all hell broke loose when I did...
In Freespace 2, when the Psamtik opens fire on the Belisarius (I was like "OMFGWTFBBQ!DidYouSeeThat?! :eek2:), when you meet the Ravana, and later the Sathanas. And who can forget "DIVE DIVE DIVE!!" :D
In Doom, the end of E1 is usually a memory for people - The whole build up of the level with the music, and when at the end you meet a Baron of Hell for the first time! (That roar it makes scared the shizzle out of me! Nevermind that they were quite wussy... ;))
In Half-Life... well, it was pretty much the whole game :D
In Halo, two were where me and my friend managed to get two Warthogs deep into the Cartographer structure (Using many a plasma-grenade and some creative driving ;)), and that part that builds up to you meeting The Flood.
System Shock 2... definitely when you meet SHODAN.
In Half-Life 2 and Halo 2, I can't recall any such events that just burned themselves into my brain. I dunno, maybe I'm getting old and jaded or something, but they just didn't draw me in like the originals.
In more modern shooters, FEAR, FarCry and Pariah for instance... they were pretty and the AI was clever and stuff... but y'know? They just didn't grab me... well actually no, FEAR was pretty good... it's given me a pathological fear of little girls in red dresses for one thing... :nervous: ;)
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I think if we were getting old and jaded, the originals would have lost their appeal as well :) But games that could keep me up playing all night 5-8 years ago can mostly still do it today. Hell, I sometimes even play old Amiga games with WinUAE (I actually have a working Amiga 1200 still, but the screen broke and it's impossible to get a new one these days :(), there are definitely some classics there worth playing still. They're ugly as hell by today's standards (though nowhere near as ugly as PC games at the time, and the sound is actually quite good), but just... fun. Real, honest to god, no nonsense fun.
The thing is though, I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is that's wrong with some newer games. They almost universally look great and sound great and have generally more thought-out plots than most games of old, but somehow there's a lack of that fun factor. Is it that they're too polished, too realistic? Certainly, one of the reasons games are fun is because they're games, not reality. So if games becomes like reality, that might cost some of the fun. Could it be that the seemingly never ending wave of political correctness we're experienceing these days is affecting the games too, taking away some of their edge? Or maybe they've grown complex to the point of being too cumbersome for the average player to easily handle? I don't know what it is. I do know though, that there are exceptions: KOTOR, for instance, was amazing, including hitting that fun factor spot-on.
I just wish games like that were the rule instead of the exception.
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The Amiga had some of the finest games ever made on it. About the only reason I don't install UAE is cause you lot wouldn't see me for the next 6 months while I went back through UFO Enemy Unknown and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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You can play that on a PC too... there's even a windows version. It stole a week of my life when I stumbled onto that despite having finished it many times over already :nervous: By the way, I HATE Chryssalids. Anyways, there's just so many goodies for the Amiga I couldn't not intall UAE when I found out it existed. Pinball Dreams, Worms, Lemmings II, Superfrog, I could go on...
Damn it, now I gotta get my brother to come over and kick his ass in Pinball Dreams.
Sigh.
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I recall being more impressed with Halo than Halo2, though I think I was more interested in games back then than I am nowadays.
I agree with Icy though. Halo has done the SciFi matinee much better than any recent games. And who doesn't like Warthogs ?
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You can play that on a PC too.
I know. But I have the Amiga version :)
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My 16 year old Mac is loaded with all kinds of great games. I was just playing this one called Mission Starlight the other day. "Adolf Blittler" and his minions have taken over the Procyon system and you, the best pilot in the Starlight rebel faction, must stop them. :D The graphics are actually quite advanced for that time.
I got several cool games off Macintosh Garden that I would really like to try out, but they won't fit on floppies. :(
Lemmings II
I never managed to get the DOS version of this to work. I got the SNES version to work great on an emulator, although a few levels were different in that.
At least judging by the SNES version though, Lemmings 2 was way too easy. After finishing Lemmings and Oh no more Lemmings (the Mac versions too, which had excellent graphics and music), L2 felt like a walk in the park. It was a real pity, since all those extra skills they added in could have made for some very interesting levels.
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All this reminds me, I gotta get Dosbox set up on this computer too. I absolutely need to play Privateer now that I finally have a computer fast enough to run it on an emulator :)
WinUAE and Dosbox are probably two of the best programs ever to see the light of day.
[Edit] Oh yeah, there were some great games for the Mac too. My best friend's father had one with all sorts of goodies on it way back when I was in the early years of school. I especially remember three games: A really cool racing game called Vette where you raced around a pretty detailed San Francisco, and some obscure little game where the objective was to drop a guy from a helicopter into a moving cart. And finally there was some adventure game, Spaceship somethingorother, which had really impressive graphics.
[Re-Edit] Warlock. Spaceship Warlock. That's what it was called.
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Hmmm, I must be the only one who liked Halo 2 more than the first one. And I like nether all that much. And they are allright into you fight the flood, then it gets really boring, because it is the same thing over and over and over.
Halo and Halo 2 are fun games, however they don't even come close to the 96% and 95% ratings they get.
However I guess Halo disapointed me more, because I got an X-box to play the first one.
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Halo and espescially Halo 2 are incredibly mediocre games.
There are a few saving graces:
1) The Warthog.
2) 2 Player mode.
Combined, these turn them into awesome games :D (Well, H2 less so...)
Without them... they just kinda suck.
The PC *REALLY* needs more co-op multiplayer games.
I don't understand WHY nobody does it... I mean, I can understand in the case of, say, Half-Life 2 (Freeman Clones! :p), but Call of Duty 2 for instance - It's squad-based!! It's just BEGGING for a co-op mode!!
Oh yeah, and someone make a good co-op compatible campaign!!! :D
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I thought they both were great because of the pure shooting action. Unlike HL2, they actually required fluid movement and strategy that resulted in an overwhelmingly positive experience for many people.
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The funny thing is, all the old games had co-op modes. Unreal and all three Descent games had them, and I think the Doom games did too. I guess games have taken a step backwards since then.
[Edit] Oh yeah, there were some great games for the Mac too. My best friend's father had one with all sorts of goodies on it way back when I was in the early years of school. I especially remember three games: A really cool racing game called Vette where you raced around a pretty detailed San Francisco, and some obscure little game where the objective was to drop a guy from a helicopter into a moving cart. And finally there was some adventure game, Spaceship somethingorother, which had really impressive graphics.
[Re-Edit] Warlock. Spaceship Warlock. That's what it was called.
Dude, I have all three of those. Vette was great. I spent so many hours doing crazy things in that game. The helicopter game was called Stuntcopter. I have it on a CD with about 500 other shareware/freeware things. Spaceship Warlock looks interesting, but the problem is it runs too slowly on this machine (33mhz '030 and 4MB memory :p), as do some other games I have. I'm really thinking of getting a slightly newer Mac off ebay that still runs System 7.x but has somewhat better hardware. The Quadras usually go for less than $50 there and frequently even come with a monitor.
WinUAE and Dosbox are probably two of the best programs ever to see the light of day.
Dosbox is wonderful. Although I have an older computer set up just for running old games, including DOS stuff, so I usually just use that instead.
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I can't speak of Halo 2, but Halo was one of the worst FPS' I've ever played on the PC; incredibly repetitive, weedy weapons and sound, dull story, crap vehicles, and boring enemies. Not to mention the awful Pc conversion slowdowns. I think Red Faction is the only game worse than it I've had the misfortune of buying.
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I think the majority of people would disagree with you.
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But not many; Halo was recieved well on consoles for the same reason as Red Faction; they weren't used to anything better. Halo is better than what he described, IMO, but it's still not anywhere close to the best. It is, if anything, space marines done right (as opposed to the numerous other crap space marine games).
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I think the majority of people would disagree with you.
I downloaded the PC demo. Kinda fun for about 15 minutes. Then it just wasn't too great...
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I find it superior to HL.
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Actually, what got me interested in Halo was the story. To be fair, I read The Fall of Reach first...
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The Fall of Reach was completely kick-arse.
I hope Halo 3 has a story of that calibre.
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I find it superior to HL.
I think the majority of people would disagree with you.
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HL has better... physics??? Graphics? Digital characters?
I'll give you those, but when you get down to it, gameplay is where it counts.
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To be perfectly honest, the only experience I've had of FPSes (besides Goldeneye for the 64 and one or two of the Bond games for PS1/2) was playing through the Doom 3 demo, which I only did to see if my system could handle the game. (Results: inconclusive :p) I've also played a little bit of Halo, too. Honestly, though, I've never so much as seen Half-Life, Doom, or UT, and the only ten minutes I ever played Counterstrike had me gagging at the awfulness. :p At any rate, though, even with that limited experience, I could immediately see why so many FPS fans can't stand playing them on consoles. I find the Halo series to be all-but-unplayable for me. The stick placement just feels wrong, and none of the default control options work well for me. After playing through the half-hour of that Doom 3 demo, I finally understood why the WASD+mouse is the best config for these games. It just felt so natural. With the possible exception of Goldeneye, no console FPS I've ever played has felt nearly so good. (Another problem is my introduction to gaming through the Descent series; I just feel so limited in motion whenever I play a groundpounder. :p) At any rate, I definitely know that, even if I was an FPS fan, I'd never have any desire whatsoever to attempt them on consoles, no matter what the benefits of having your friends in the same room as you are. (That brings up another point: consoles going online just seems so pointless; it defeats the entire purpose of having a console in the first place. :p)
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Goldeneye feels terrible after Halo. Great gameplay still, but the controls are incredibly dated.
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HL has better... physics??? Graphics? Digital characters?
I'll give you those, but when you get down to it, gameplay is where it counts.
HL2? You've got me there. But you're really going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that Halo is better than Half Life 1 in terms of gamplay?
Plus, given the major differences between the Xbox & N64 controllers, you can't really compare control schemes.
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There are Five FPS that I really like, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Rainbow Six(N64), Rogue Spear, Operation Flashpoint.
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The graphics of Goldeneye look dated compared to Halo, sure. That should go without saying. But the controls I find to be the exact opposite. Everything in Halo makes your character superhuman, whereas goldeneye required finesse (and things like, you know, aiming) to make sure you didn't wind up in a firefight you couldn't win. Sure the weapons didn't have a secondary or anything cool (gimiky) like that, but they didn't need them.
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HL has better... physics??? Graphics? Digital characters?
I'll give you those, but when you get down to it, gameplay is where it counts.
Mood, set-pieces, puzzles, level design, storyline, control system and it did them all first (not that it can claim it was even first in regards to most of these).
Goldeneye bored the hell out of me, mostly because I'd played HL and CS around then and they just blew it out of the water. After that I couldn't take any console's FPS controls seriously, it's like having your hands tied behind your back whilst you play. I played seven hours into Halo thinking 'it will get better, it will get better', Halo 2 did nothing at all for the series; playing as a cloakable character? Done that in far better style in Deus Ex with a big plasma sword and an aray of far more satisfying weapons.
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The graphics of Goldeneye look dated compared to Halo, sure. That should go without saying. But the controls I find to be the exact opposite. Everything in Halo makes your character superhuman, whereas goldeneye required finesse (and things like, you know, aiming) to make sure you didn't wind up in a firefight you couldn't win. Sure the weapons didn't have a secondary or anything cool (gimiky) like that, but they didn't need them.
That's the ethos, though. In Halo, you ARE superhuman. In Goldeneye, you're not.
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HL has better... physics??? Graphics? Digital characters?
I'll give you those, but when you get down to it, gameplay is where it counts.
Mood, set-pieces, puzzles, level design, storyline, control system and it did them all first (not that it can claim it was even first in regards to most of these).
Goldeneye bored the hell out of me, mostly because I'd played HL and CS around then and they just blew it out of the water. After that I couldn't take any console's FPS controls seriously, it's like having your hands tied behind your back whilst you play. I played seven hours into Halo thinking 'it will get better, it will get better', Halo 2 did nothing at all for the series; playing as a cloakable character? Done that in far better style in Deus Ex with a big plasma sword and an aray of far more satisfying weapons.
I was referring to HL2. Sorry.
Half-Life 1 is one of the greatest FPS's created in my mind.
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Goob and aldo, go 'whack' yourselves!
Goddamn nazi-"grammer inquisition" indeed. :p
Ahh Goldeneye, I remember that game, oh yes. The multiplayer in that was gorgeous. Then the jump from that to Perfect Dark. "Oh ****, they can see over speed bumps!"
Perfect Dark was my next golden heart. :)
Then for a long while nothing.
Then Halo came along, one of the firsts of its kind, a good looking console game that plays near just as well as Goldeneye or Perfect Dark minus the spy gadget stuff. This is why Halo is so good, is because its a decent console game.
I'll be the first to admit that I bought HaloPC and installed, but it didn't hit the spot as well. The new maps and multiplayer were the only things to keep my interest for a while. But even then... on the PC there are better things available.
Halo kicks arse because on the console, its seemless and fun to play. :)
I just don't think it was meant to be at the hands of a mouse / keyboard duo.
Halo2 came along, the biggest thing about it was the continuation of the story. I was looking forward to a massive invasion of earth and many street battles alongside the marines. Especially going by all the trailers and clips they showed.
Then it releases, with no more than the first few levels at earth and no where near living up to the expectations of the previews. Then the cliffhanger, which to me was a bit of a kick in the balls. Halo2's story didn't feel like a true conclusion to me. When I saw chief arrive at earth I'm thinking "yes - finally those earth levels I've been waiting for", and bam. No deal.
To add to that, I miss the Assault Rifle. It was so much fun running into a room of grunts and opening up full auto on them. Compared to the rubber shooting SMG's... =/
The Battle Rifle is cool, but I miss the lust of the machine gun. :(
Then there's the whole mc's bashes do **** all now. Which kind of sucks.
But yeah, in the end I think Halo2 killed itself with overhype. I'm still dissapointed for not seeing the E3 level ingame, and ever will be... :(
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But yeah, in the end I think Halo2 killed itself with overhype.
It is my dream that, someday, game companies will realise that taking their product and shoving it down their consumer's collective throats via mega-hyping said product - as seen with Halo 2 and HL2 to name a few - only serves to kill the game. I mean, think about it; every game hyped like this in the past few years has turned out to be stunningly average. Now compare that to the true classics - Goldeneye007, Half Life, Battlefield 1942, etc. - which were nowhere near as hyped, and yet still extremely enjoyable nowadays.
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I think the majority of people would disagree with you.
The majority like Fifa Street, 50 Cent and Harry Potter games, that doesn't make them right.
I played and completed Halo. Wasn't too impressed. Got bored a few months back, and reinstalled it; started playing, and after about 20 minutes in, I quit and uninstalled. It's just pish; Goldeneye was more fun (right down to kneecapping enemies with a silenced PPK in Severnya, or the magnificence of twin RPC-90s), Half Life 2 was more atmospheric, Call of Duty had more action, and all 3 of the previous had more convincing gunplay and weapons that were more fun than the fisher-price Halo collections. Even HL2, whose weapons were gash compared to the other 2. I can't think of a single redeeming factor for Halo; I'm sure it was polished for it's time, but by modern standards it's just generic rubbish. Hell, Quake 4 is probably better than it, and I never even managed to convince myself to finish that game (christmas pressy).
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*slaps everyone for assuming that their personal choices are worth a damn*
Can't we just accept that some people like Halo and some people don't?
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*slaps everyone for assuming that their personal choices are worth a damn*
Can't we just accept that some people like Halo and some people don't?
No!
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Halo was ok, I liked the 'Doom' feel of the Library, been a long time since I've had to fight a running battle against vastly superior numbers in a FPS. However, the rest of it was just like most other FPS games.
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I think the problem is that haloPC is a port. You can't really compare Halo to other games on PC because its console. :)
I like it, but I also like other games on PC for better or worse. Halo belongs on the box though, not on PC.
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What was all the fuss around HL? I thought both the original, OF and BS were unremarkable. Though OF was better.
The final boss in HL was shocking. He could kill a fully kitted Freeman with one shot, had that teleport weapon that took you to the most fecking annoying jumping section in a game ever ever ever and constant respwaning gang of mates to harass you.
Hate to side with the fanbuoy, but Halo was much better than HL. As was Golden Eye.
At least judging by the SNES version though, Lemmings 2 was way too easy. After finishing Lemmings and Oh no more Lemmings (the Mac versions too, which had excellent graphics and music), L2 felt like a walk in the park. It was a real pity, since all those extra skills they added in could have made for some very interesting levels.
Does your emulator have a little know game called King Arthur's World ? Try it. Like Lemmings, but with Knights. And rock-solid.
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The Maw - end run. Best way to end the game. Ever.
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The Maw - end run. Best way to end the game. Ever.
Beat's Halo2's ending anyday. They tried to make a rip off of it in that last little dash. But it's just not the same... :(
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Halo 2 didn't have an ending.
And whoever decided bosse battles were a good idea should be fired.
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The Maw - end run. Best way to end the game. Ever.
I'd say that, but swap 'best' for 'awful'.
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It sure beat the hell out of HL2s ending.
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It sure beat the hell out of HL2s ending.
Not exactly hard that, though........
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What was all the fuss around HL? I thought both the original, OF and BS were unremarkable. Though OF was better.
The final boss in HL was shocking. He could kill a fully kitted Freeman with one shot, had that teleport weapon that took you to the most fecking annoying jumping section in a game ever ever ever and constant respwaning gang of mates to harass you.
Hate to side with the fanbuoy, but Halo was much better than HL. As was Golden Eye.
Simple, it took a series of set pieces and put them togetrher into a fun and engaging game. As for the end boss, he was equally easy to kill, shoot his generator thingies and then unload 5 or 6 magnum rounds into his skull. It took me a few goes to find this out. If you're fast enough you don't even have to put up with all of his forced teleports.
It wasn't a fantastic boss but it was a nice challenge. :nod:
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That's the thing with most Boss battles. You spend a while gettin' peved off, you work out when the trick is, then it's easy peasy. MGS was a criminal for that, especially as harder settings just increased their energy bar. Boss Battles per say aren't bad, it's just Game Devs have gotten lazy and churn out the same old tired crap.
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My least favourite bosses were from Doom3, since they threw so many shaders into each battle, just when you needed gameplay to be at it's smoothest, it was usually running at it's most jerky :(
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The first 2 Serious Sam games had superb endings; first off was battling a 100 story tall monster, second was a vast fight in a field outside a castle against an entire army, as lightning and meteor storms raged all around.
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My least favourite bosses were from Doom3, since they threw so many shaders into each battle, just when you needed gameplay to be at it's smoothest, it was usually running at it's most jerky :(
reducing the cyber Demon to a final boss was an anti-climax
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Hey, if you guys want to play a fun retro-type game, goto jng.rakeingrass.com and download Jets'n'Gunz... it's great :D
I enjoyed the ?Nilanth ? boss in HL a damned lot more than the ending boss in HL2!!
The sections you got teleported to where hellish to get out of, it's true, but those blasts were so easy to avoid!
Between the Longjump (I really missed that in HL2...) and the crazy bounce-pads that section was
The Boss fight in Beyond Good and Evil is extremely painful... it's a throwback to various old Amiga/C64 games where you have to memorise what the Boss is going to do and time your counter at exactly the right time...
I'm trying to think of some good ones but I must say that game endings have generally sucked...
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reducing the cyber Demon to a final boss was an anti-climax
I know, theres even a SpiderMon mod out there somewhere.
The worst part is that the CyberDemon in Doom3 is not even remotely as terrifying as the original moment in Doom when you heard the Roar followed by 'Thud Thud Thud' as the thing moved around.
For all our 3D surround sound tech, FPS tend to use scripts etc, which means you cannot use your ears to define your strategy any more, you can't listen at doors to find out what is behind them etc, which was a standard trick in the original Doom. Basically, Doom 1 & 2 were better games because they required far more skill and strategy than many later games.
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And whoever decided bosse battles were a good idea should be fired.
Agreed, that or whipped.
What about Mario64?
Notorious boss use. Yet still somehow fairly fun. :)
Might of been the 'wow I'm playing in more than 2 dimensions' buzz though.
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And whoever decided bosse battles were a good idea should be fired.
Agreed, that or whipped.
What about Mario64?
Notorious boss use. Yet still somehow fairly fun. :)
Might of been the 'wow I'm playing in more than 2 dimensions' buzz though.
Bowser, for the win! :D Or ether Ridley
(http://www.maximum-cube.com/charactermodels/bowser.jpg)
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Zelda OOT had a superb boss battle, too. Incredibly atomospheric. God of Wars' boss battle is also good.
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Zelda has traditionally done well with the boss-battle concept, with only a few exceptions. All of the OoT bosses were very atmospheric and very well done (Phantom Ganon - holy hell. The only boss I really ever had trouble with just because he's almost as challenging to defeat as the real Ganon but comes at a time when your inventory is only barely able to hurt him). They were part of the story too, not just "ooh, big monster" like in so many games. That's the difference, I think; bosses have to be integrated into the story and the gameplay flawlessly which is often just not done.
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Yeah OOT was really good at setting up the boss battles. For the most part made it interesting too, though they had their frustrating moments. :p
Ed:
Where is the original Nintendo?
How I loved you so...
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The Maw - end run. Best way to end the game. Ever.
Answer me this; why the f*** did the 'Pillar of Autumn' have all that obstacle-stuff on the ship for?! What possible use could it have been?! Moreso, when you meet up with the dropship you think will rescue you, it's in a gigantic, open gap in the middle of the ship, meaning that it would be open to space... i'll agree that it was a relatively cool way to end the game, but it made no f***ing sense whatsoever, which really detracts from the entire game.
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Um... it was on the ground. Why would it be open to space?
And the things you doge are called "supplies."
The only thing that doesn't make sense is the scale. You travel 2Km, but judging from the bridge you would think the POA is much smaller.
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1) It's a Space Ship, when the ship is in Space - where I would assume it spends most of its time - that section would be open to space. The point of a giant, canyon-like gap in the middle of a spaceship is beyond me.
2) Those things you dodge aren't all supply-crates, they're large structures that are a part of the ship, and as such make no sense whatsoever. It's like that move 'Galaxy Quest', when these two people have to get somewhere, and to do so they must go through this completely arbitrary series of obstacles.
3) Yeah, the whole distance thing is kind of cookey, but it is entirely reasonable when you consider the fact that the cutscenes used the in-game engine, and as such they couldn't very well make the ship 4 Kilometres long while keeping a sane loading time.
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1) It's a Space Ship, when the ship is in Space - where I would assume it spends most of its time - that section would be open to space. The point of a giant, canyon-like gap in the middle of a spaceship is beyond me.
That it's beyond you doesn't really prove anything. IIRC the Pillar of Autumn had several cases of what I'll call a partial double hull, because I can't think of a better way to put it. There were gaps in it. More to the point, you must have missed the several cases of large doors that bar your progress in some places. There are open to the air sections, but there are others that aren't too.
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I don't know if anyone has mentined this thus far, but the biggest problem with halo 2 (and Half-life 2, for that matter) is the devs promised SO MUCH during the E3 demos and delivered so little.
-What happened to AI kicking down/shooting through doors, using the environment and interacting in surprising and novel ways with one another? Half-life 2 was especially guilty of this kind of crap. Instead of getting fantastic and new AI, Halo 2 gave us Halo 1's AI and Half-Life 2 gave us retarded AI. Did it matter that half-Life 2 wasn't in black mesa anymore? Nope, cause you still walked down "corridors" of buildings in a straight line for hours on end, with maybe 2 open areas in the entire game. Halo 2 gave people plenty of free space (heh) but they didn't fix the "wasn't I JUST in this room?" syndrome that plagued the 1st game so badly.
Half-Life 1 is a great FPS (on PC, and sucked balls on the PS2) and Halo is the best FPS on consoles and at least a good game on PCs, but their respective sequels were boring and at times tedious.
Vista is going to become mandatory sooner than people think. MS has already begun cutting support for Win2K (AoE 3 is XP compatible only) and with all the pre-builts that people buy (OEM Vista, of course), there is no reason to believe Vista won't be adopted rather quickly.
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Does your emulator have a little know game called King Arthur's World ? Try it. Like Lemmings, but with Knights. And rock-solid.
I don't have it, but I could probably find it somewhere. I'll have to give that a try. Anything that's similar to Lemmings is worth playing in my book.
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If you guys want some excellent boss battles, I highly recomend Shadow of the Colossus. Granted that is all the game consists of, they are still amazing. But each battle is just plain epic and tragic at the same time. Really, check this one out.
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I haven't played very many games with particularly memorable boss battles. I guess the ones that stick out for me are any of the Descent or Jedi Knight games. I remember the first time I ran into that yellow superhulk dude and his menacing clicking noises in that circular lava room in the D1 shareware version, and proceeded to take a direct hit from one of his smart missiles. :p
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RE4 had some pretty darn good ones. Verdugo was a pretty darned cool fight. And the black guardian from Eternal Darkness was pretty awesome.
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RE4 had some pretty darn good ones.
The Verdugo weren't bad, Del Lago was the money-boss. Easily one of the best boss-battles in any game. Ever.
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Boses in Super Proboptector on SNES were great.
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Gentleman let me tell you something. Within two weeks there will be a hack allowing you to play it on XP.