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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Charismatic on February 10, 2006, 04:57:03 pm
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Because HLP crashes on a regular basis and deleites my topic which makes me furoius, i am continueing this thread.
Because what i wrote the first time cant be resaid again in its fullest; and anything less would not do justice to it, this is for anyone who read or posted in the first thread.
And on a sidenote; i didnt see any replys sence my 2nd post (which was on the third page). If anyone wants to resay what they said; feel free to fill me in.
Ok UPDATE. Well, we were talking about her past BF's and i said something along the lines of 'and sometimes i get jealos and i wana be that guy'. Just before we got on the BF subject, i was talking about honesty so this seemed fair. I thought 'cauz she dont think i like her at all i will give her a nudge to put her in the right direction, so it wont be such a shock when she do find out more'.
At that instant she said 'excuse me' and i was like '**** **** **** **** **** go go go get away run' ect. Totally backfired. But dad barged in and i had to go so i was saved. The next day it seemed fine at school, but when we talked on the phone as we regularly do every night, she seemed to avoid me and as i saw it run. But that wasent the case. Yada yada yada.
So We talk later that night again, ( the day after i said i wanted to be the guy that was with her instead of them ) and i told her basicaly everything. I didnt say everything yet but the majority of it. So right now were cool. I asked her feelings of me, as one said in the previous thread. Once again; just friends. As i knew. So this didnt **** up our relationship. I actually think it strenghtened it alittle.
I told her just about everything except that i was going to kiss her sometime and let it be as that; and then just get on as friends. Now the hard part; getting her away from school, friends, and ****, just alone with me, when im read to do it.
Should i kiss her? Im thinking if she knows what im going to do she wont let me. So im planning to have her close her eyes first and try to get it in then.
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No. What are you trying to do, trick her?
And. 15. Christ sake, that's a kid. Most schools - or unis - you'd get flayed for that.
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Dude, if she just wants to be friends, just be friends. None of this trying to sneak a wet one on her when you manage to get her eyes closed. If I were her, I'd actually be royally pissed if someone just snuck one in on me when my eyes were closed.
Just let it go. Like aldo said, she's only 15.
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...:wtf:
um... ooookay...
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No, seriously, a 15 year old is just entering sentience, people that age are not mature enough to make wise decisions. If ya wanna pork her, I would recommend you wait before she becomes a couple years older. The difference in maturity between a 15 year old and an 18 (or hell, even 17) year old is almost doubled. If you really cared about this person, you would sit it out.
Good luck either way. And give her this the next time you see her, if you want to figure it out.
* Scuddie hands Charismatic [Rhinoceros Tusk]
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this guy has gone through 2 girlfriends already, all of them, according to Charismatic, thought that their relationship wasn't working out, and he's acting like he's being vicitmised. :lol:
but yeah, what Scuddie said. wait till she's older. jesus, man, she's probably still in middle school!
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No, seriously, a 15 year old is just entering sentience, people that age are not mature enough to make wise decisions. If ya wanna pork her, I would recommend you wait before she becomes a couple years older. The difference in maturity between a 15 year old and an 18 (or hell, even 17) year old is almost doubled. If you really cared about this person, you would sit it out.
Good luck either way. And give her this the next time you see her, if you want to figure it out.
* Scuddie hands Charismatic [Rhinoceros Tusk]
I always found that maturity increased exponentially in the sort of 16-21 age period, myself. Especially taking into account going to uni at 18; makes a massive difference in outlook and whatnot.
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Should i kiss her? Im thinking if she knows what im going to do she wont let me. So im planning to have her close her eyes first and try to get it in then.
Rape LiteTM
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More like.....
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I concur. Cut your losses and get the hell out.
Besides, if you really want a kiss to mean something, both people should want to kiss, not just you.
What if you DO get her alone, and she feels threatened by your action of attempting to kiss her. Do you honestly think she's gonna just sit there and let it happen? Like I said in my deleted post, if you do this, expect a slap in the face. Then, you might as well expect rumors spread about you, or even worse yet, allegations of sexual assault - that is if she feels like making your life a living hell just because you wanted to share something meaningful with her, and she's shown signs that she does NOT want those things to happen..
Trust us, save yourself the potential trouble and just drop the idea and her.
BD, Remember that line? :rolleyes: :doubt:
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BD should be severly beaten for that. :p
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This whole thread makes me sort of nauseous. So much so that I probably can't spell nauseous.
That was just a representation of my nausea.
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Any forum-goer would get shanked for that. You're lucky we're not over at TTLG.
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Meh, I can handle myself in the prison courtyard with my toothbrush just fine.
Also, that's what you get when you tell me about your intentions of wanting to **** a fifteen year old.
*YIEGH*[/color]
No offense to Ephili, I mean you can do whatever the **** you want, it's a free world with a police force being paid by the government (usually), but it's just unacceptable to me on so many levels.
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Should i kiss her? Im thinking if she knows what im going to do she wont let me. So im planning to have her close her eyes first and try to get it in then.
Why are you considering it?
It would be completely disrespectful of her, destroy the friendship, and definitely make her avoid you. I wouldn't be surprised if you got in trouble for sexual harassment.
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Yeah... I refrained from commenting last thread but...
She wants to be friends and you're trying to have your way with her?
Isn't that you know, against like every single moral/human dignity/etc. thing?
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I will try to do this one last time.
She is 15, you are 18... leave it at that.
Also, this little piece of advice will "work" for everyone you meet in any situation.
Tell her how you feel!
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If she's fifteen, all you have to do is wait a year at most.
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Should i kiss her? Im thinking if she knows what im going to do she wont let me. So im planning to have her close her eyes first and try to get it in then.
Rape LiteTM
Agreed. If she didn't want it, why would you do it? That's morally and ethically wrong, imo (not to mention retarded).
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Guys, don't bother. Ephili is too thickheaded to heed your warnings. He'll just try to make his move, regardless of her feelings, get a slap in the face, she tells him she hates him, then he comes to HLP crying, "She didn't want to get involved with me! My life sucks!" and **** like that, so don't bother.
The reason I say this is because he did it to me twice.
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Charismatic, while I'm not going to be giving out much advice in the success of relationships department I can emphathize very closely with your situation. What you will eventually learn is that women do not view relationships like we do and therefore you have to try and deal with them in a slightly different way than you think makes sense. This is typical male/female views of the world. Neither are right or wrong but they are there and should be acknolwedged.
For a guy...any girl...even a close friend who was otherwise not an interest is a *possible* interest. Do something the right way, wear the right clothes, engage in a certain action...we're interested...we're cool...whatever makes us happy. But women...once your friends...your friends. The key bit about dating is to try and get their interest *without* becoming their friends.
This is a dead end mate...keep her as a good friend. If she specifically, unequivocably, comes out and says later that your the one...then ok...its rare...it sometimes happens...but don't expect it.
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Please excuze my very long quote and responce, reply.
No. What are you trying to do, trick her?
And. 15. Christ sake, that's a kid. Most schools - or unis - you'd get flayed for that.
Not trying to trick her. I just feel i would like to kiss her and leave it as that. As a show of affection and care.
gb2/l/
No, seriously, a 15 year old is just entering sentience, people that age are not mature enough to make wise decisions. If ya wanna pork her, I would recommend you wait before she becomes a couple years older. The difference in maturity between a 15 year old and an 18 (or hell, even 17) year old is almost doubled. If you really cared about this person, you would sit it out.
Good luck either way. And give her this the next time you see her, if you want to figure it out.
* Scuddie hands Charismatic [Rhinoceros Tusk]
My intentions are not to fuk her. Waiting would probably be best. Thanks for ur wishing of good luck.
this guy has gone through 2 girlfriends already, all of them, according to Charismatic, thought that their relationship wasn't working out, and he's acting like he's being vicitmised. :lol:
but yeah, what Scuddie said. wait till she's older. jesus, man, she's probably still in middle school!
I have a short fuse with cobra; i will admit that. His very presence beckens me. So il keep my temper. I have had one GF b4 and that is a different story. I have never told you of her in my life so i do not understand you got that information from. Care to share? And i dont beleive i am saying 'im the victom'. I wonder if anyone else thinks im saying 'im the victom', along with you. And for the last time, she is in high school along with me; so i dont see why it is so immoral and wrong.
I concur. Cut your losses and get the hell out.
Besides, if you really want a kiss to mean something, both people should want to kiss, not just you.
What if you DO get her alone, and she feels threatened by your action of attempting to kiss her. Do you honestly think she's gonna just sit there and let it happen? Like I said in my deleted post, if you do this, expect a slap in the face. Then, you might as well expect rumors spread about you, or even worse yet, allegations of sexual assault - that is if she feels like making your life a living hell just because you wanted to share something meaningful with her, and she's shown signs that she does NOT want those things to happen..
Trust us, save yourself the potential trouble and just drop the idea and her.
IMHO, she is not the one who would even conciter accuseing me of sexual harrasment\assult. But your warnings are noted. And good point about the 'both people should want to' thing.
Meh, I can handle myself in the prison courtyard with my toothbrush just fine.
Also, that's what you get when you tell me about your intentions of wanting to **** a fifteen year old.
*YIEGH*[/color]
No offense to Ephili, I mean you can do whatever the **** you want, it's a free world with a police force being paid by the government (usually), but it's just unacceptable to me on so many levels.
Wanting to **** a 15 year old? That is not my ****ing goal. If a guy see a hot girl the guy wants to tap it without hesitation. Point proven. If it ever were to happen it would happen when shes 18+. I just wana b friends but i wana kiss her once. Nothing more, nothing less.
Should i kiss her? Im thinking if she knows what im going to do she wont let me. So im planning to have her close her eyes first and try to get it in then.
Why are you considering it?
It would be completely disrespectful of her, destroy the friendship, and definitely make her avoid you. I wouldn't be surprised if you got in trouble for sexual harassment.
Why? 1) My emotions\hormones 2) Curiosity\she is prity 3) If i can have nothing more then friends id atleast want to end my expedition to be more with that experiance. After that i can completely forget any wantings to be more then friends.
Yeah... I refrained from commenting last thread but...
She wants to be friends and you're trying to have your way with her?
Isn't that you know, against like every single moral/human dignity/etc. thing?
Um.. have my way with her? Eh..???
I will try to do this one last time.
She is 15, you are 18... leave it at that.
Also, this little piece of advice will "work" for everyone you meet in any situation.
Tell her how you feel!
I did, for the mostpart. And what is so godam wrong with 15\18? You all say 'age diff' well, go into more detail and explain why its wrong to me.
Guys, don't bother. Ephili is too thickheaded to heed your warnings. He'll just try to make his move, regardless of her feelings, get a slap in the face, she tells him she hates him, then he comes to HLP crying, "She didn't want to get involved with me! My life sucks!" and **** like that, so don't bother.
The reason I say this is because he did it to me twice.
Cobra, namecalling i beleive is agienst the code of conduct. And i dont know what im going to do just yet. Im dealing with what has been dealt to me, ATM. By kissin her i am not intending to get involved as more then friends.
And; i did it to you twice? Once again, what are you talking about? Did what to you twice?
Charismatic, while I'm not going to be giving out much advice in the success of relationships department I can emphathize very closely with your situation. What you will eventually learn is that women do not view relationships like we do and therefore you have to try and deal with them in a slightly different way than you think makes sense. This is typical male/female views of the world. Neither are right or wrong but they are there and should be acknolwedged.
For a guy...any girl...even a close friend who was otherwise not an interest is a *possible* interest. Do something the right way, wear the right clothes, engage in a certain action...we're interested...we're cool...whatever makes us happy. But women...once your friends...your friends. The key bit about dating is to try and get their interest *without* becoming their friends.
This is a dead end mate...keep her as a good friend. If she specifically, unequivocably, comes out and says later that your the one...then ok...its rare...it sometimes happens...but don't expect it.
No offence, but i beleive this is the best reply all thread. Thanks IceFire. And, yeah, iv heard that a few times; but now im starting to really 'learn' and 'realize' it for myself. Heh.
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this guy has gone through 2 girlfriends already, all of them, according to Charismatic, thought that their relationship wasn't working out, and he's acting like he's being vicitmised. :lol:
but yeah, what Scuddie said. wait till she's older. jesus, man, she's probably still in middle school!
I have a short fuse with cobra; i will admit that. His very presence beckens me. So il keep my temper. I have had one GF b4 and that is a different story. I have never told you of her in my life so i do not understand you got that information from. Care to share? And i dont beleive i am saying 'im the victom'. I wonder if anyone else thinks im saying 'im the victom', along with you. And for the last time, she is in high school along with me; so i dont see why it is so immoral and wrong.
*bursts out laughing*
all i know is, you had one, broke up, then got into an I-Net relationship. the second 'girlfriend' you had you came to me asking for love advice because she felt it wasn't working out. :lol:
the reason i call you thickheaded is: 1) You can't spell 2) You cling on to hopeless causes (like EVO, for instance) 3) You post unecessary topic about something that's best left private IMO.
[EDIT] Can we have this locked?
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*bursts out laughing*
all i know is, you had one, broke up, then got into an I-Net relationship. the second 'girlfriend' you had you came to me asking for love advice because she felt it wasn't working out. :lol:
the reason i call you thickheaded is: 1) You can't spell 2) You cling on to hopeless causes (like EVO, for instance) 3) You post unecessary topic about something that's best left private IMO.
[EDIT] Can we have this locked?
Please cool it with the personal cuts. To clear things up, tho i do not beleive i have to: I have my first and only GF over the Inet. Nothing more needs to be said about that *looks at HLP* please. I had no other GF, and no friends that were female that knew you or could possibly contact you. You have the wrong person. Care to give a name of that second girl?
1) I dont take time to spell
2) Please dont rip on EVO..
3) I beleive it is allowed to get feedback and opinions on situations in life.
4) I do not beleive this thread needs to be locked. Please do not take my replys to cobra as 'spam' or a 'flamewar'. Neither are my intentions.
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dude, you never told me any names of them. your mistake, pal.
1) Which makes you look dumb.
2) Why? It's dead, all its members are gone.
3) Not on 18 year olds with 15 year olds.
4) See #3.
And another thing. The only reason you have a 'short fuse' with me is that I quit EVO, got sick and tired of silly things being demanded from me, like showing my support of EVO by writing fanfics or writing speeches or making MODs for EVO. it made me feel like a slave, so I got fed up with it. So, when I quit, you call me a traitor and develop this 'short fuse' with me. All because a game.
And stop taking everything as a personal attack. Most of us give you the cold, hard truth and you run and hide from it like a coward by saying we're attacking you personally. Knock it off.
I'm done.
Still waiting for lockage. :p
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/me reads that Charismatic is 18.
/me raises an eyebrow.
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No, no no.
Don't lock this, it's way too funny!
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People let Cobra get to them? Bwah.
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:welcome:
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Seriously though, you are 18. Time to act like an adult and stop trying to trick minors into doing sexual acts with you.
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Trick minors? Dude, welcome to HLP, but, have you read any of this topic yet? If you have, you should remember me replying to a quote that was similar to waht you said. Its not my intention to fuk her. My thing is should i kiss her or not. Its already been resolved that we will just be friends thats it so thus no ****age..
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People let Cobra get to them? Bwah.
Sorry; what is this world comeing to? Shame on me. :P
No, no no.
Don't lock this, it's way too funny!
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:( Why are all my serious topics funny...*sigh
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This is the sort of thing you're supposed to figure out for yourself, not whine about on the internet.
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Still waiting for lockage. :p
Wow, someone must think they got balls that clank. :doubt:
Now, to the point..
Ovbiously, nothing anyone says will change your mind, Charismatic. Truth is, no matter how much "charisma" you work on this girl, it's just not going to work. You might assume that she might not make your life a living hell, but trust me, women are devious. A girl her age, probably being under the age of consent, has all the power in the world to make your life a living hell. You're an adult as well, that is if you're in the US. Once you're 18, you're an adult in the law's eyes, and her word usually is golden if she's good enough to pull it off. I've seen this happen to three teachers in my old hometown,
Why am I convinced that you'll still do it? You said it yourself: Hormones.
You're thinking with the wrong head here, and no, I'm not saying you want sex from the girl, but you honestly are letting the testosterone take over instead of common sense and logical thinking. Common sense meaning if she's avoiding you, or expressed disinterest when you gushed to her, well then it's pretty damn safe to say she isnt going to accept a kiss. It honestly does sound like you're trying to have your way with her, and since it seemed like you didn't understand it when Ace said it, it means that you're forcing this kiss on her. Even if it's supposed to be a "suprise" move, it's still forced, because common sense tells ME that she's UNINTERESTED.
Expect a slap, and DON'T expect sympathy from the board if you DO get slapped. And if you Dont get slapped, hey, more power to ya, but I'm sure there'll be a 3-part harmony chorus of "TOOOLD YA SOOO" from the board if you tell us it didnt work out the way you wanted to.
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cobra either you cool it or you will be kicked from this forum period
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Not trying to trick her. I just feel i would like to kiss her and leave it as that. As a show of affection and care.
There are other ways to show affection and care. Kiss on the forehead, cheek, or just a good hug. :)
the reason i call you thickheaded is: 1) You can't spell 2) You cling on to hopeless causes (like EVO, for instance) 3) You post unecessary topic about something that's best left private IMO.
[EDIT] Can we have this locked?
This isn't the FSU Project forum. He can ask for tips on how to make it with his mom if we wants. Locked? Over what? I'm glad I have the opportunity to give the advice above.
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This is the sort of thing you're supposed to figure out for yourself, not whine about on the internet.
Oh snap.
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Yeesh. What fun to wake up to.
Cobra, Windrunner is right. If I see one more personal attack coming from you then you're going to find yourself the test guinea-pig of the new forum guidelines. Calm the hell down. If Charismatics threads affect you so much then don't post in them. If that's too hard then you're going to find yourself excluded. Final warning.
Charistmatic. As much as I'd like to say that HLP is an advice forum - and in some cases it really can be - you cannot expect concrete help on your relationship problems from this place on such a consistent basis. Flak from others is always a risk you take when airing your personal problems online with complete strangers - and as much as we're looking to minimise unnecessary personal attack here - that's still something you can expect to run into from time to time. Where the dislike you and Cobra have unfortunately developed is concerned, simply do not respond to him. Report the post and we will deal with it.
Now please try and simmer down a bit. If this thread goes any further south I'll be looking to lock it.
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Anyways...
Insofar as Char's problem goes:
He will never be able to have a friendship with the girl when he was unresolved feelings. They'll just simmer away and gnaw at his soul until he snaps and rapes her, then has to cut her throat and burry her in the woods to keep from being raped in prison.
Go nuts, roll the dice, take your chances, **** her.
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If this 'friendship' is an excuse to have your way with her, then you're surely as pathetic as Cobra suggests. I suspect it is, as she's already told you that you're just friends and you're still looking at ways to go for it. But if you're a real friend, then back off and find someone more realistic, as given all you claim to have told her, she's still rejecting you.
Go any further and you could be the youngest piece of ass on cell block 4.
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Please excuze my very long quote and responce, reply.
No. What are you trying to do, trick her?
And. 15. Christ sake, that's a kid. Most schools - or unis - you'd get flayed for that.
Not trying to trick her. I just feel i would like to kiss her and leave it as that. As a show of affection and care.
Look, if she doesn't want it, accept it. It doesn't matter that it's 'just a kiss' or somesuch, it's still a very personal 'invasion' of space, and it also puts her in a horrible position of her own as to how to react. I think to me it sounds like you know it'd be the wrong step to take, and you're trying to find a justification for it.
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I have plenty of friends that are girls that have guys liking them (that they don't always like back). If somebody "tricked" one of my friends into kissing them, I'd kick their ass because it would undoubtedly upset the girl very much.
If the guy was three years older than her and tricking her into kissing him...well, that's just odd.
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Isn't 18/15 statutory? Wikipedia says yes. It also says:
The rationale is typically that although a person may be biologically mature enough to desire sexual intercourse, they may, lacking the additional years of experience possessed by legal adults, not be able to make mature or rational decisions as to whom they engage in sexual contact with and how they do so. Thus, even if they willingly engage in sexual intercourse with a legal adult, their sex partner may well have used tactics of manipulation or deceit against which the younger person has not yet developed sufficient discernment or defense.
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That's a rather idealistic way of looking at it.
I've known plenty of older girls who were dumb as a box of rocks. Saying their age makes them more able to determine wether someone is manipulating them or not is just plain wrong.
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I've also met some very precocious 15-year-olds. But the law can't compensate for things like that. It has to set a mark somewhere.
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On the logical spectrum the Wikipedia article is true, but the reality is that most females these days are ****ing on a regular basis before they turn thirteen anyway.
All it really takes these days is shining something... shiny in front of their face, because as an0n said, dumb as a box of rocks.
Thing is, as FP said, law has to mark it somewhere. Stupidity is a valid excuse up until a certain age, but after you turn a satisfactory age, being a stupid whore is your fault.
All in all, anyone who needs to try and cash in on that stupidity, be it simply age factor exploitation or maliciousness, or the fact that they're too ****ing stupid themselves, they can be very proud of themselves.
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On the logical spectrum the Wikipedia article is true, but the reality is that most females these days are ****ing on a regular basis before they turn thirteen anyway.
You do realize that all the studies suggest the average age for first intercourse is closer to 17, right?
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That's a rather idealistic way of looking at it.
I've known plenty of older girls who were dumb as a box of rocks. Saying their age makes them more able to determine wether someone is manipulating them or not is just plain wrong.
There's a difference between - leaving out various mental defects/disability of course - intelligence and rationality. There's general evidence that the impulse control/decision making part of the brain (dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex) in 16-and-under are significantly less developed than even those a year or so older (and this part keeps developing until 25). Essentially, in the majority if not all of cases, an 16 or under has a significantly less developed ability to control themselves or make rational decisions, due simply to the natural development of the brain.
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You do realize that all the studies suggest the average age for first intercourse is closer to 17, right?
But that's only because the Geek Factor drags it up.
A few start ****ing when they're 13 or less, most start ****ing in the 14-16 bracket, a few start in the 17-21 bracket and a ****load of geeks don't get laid till they're in their 40s. So it ****s up the average.
And the average would be 17 if half started ****ing at 13 and half started ****ing at 21.
So the average don't mean ****.
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There's a difference between - leaving out various mental defects/disability of course - intelligence and rationality. There's general evidence that the impulse control/decision making part of the brain (dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex) in 16-and-under are significantly less developed than even those a year or so older (and this part keeps developing until 25). Essentially, in the majority if not all of cases, an 16 or under has a significantly less developed ability to control themselves or make rational decisions, due simply to the natural development of the brain.
You're confusing the rational decision with the Right One.
Just because they can't think **** through fully doesn't mean they're any more or less likely to be right about it.
And I didn't mean dumb-stupid. I meant dumb-naive.
And people only learn about relationships by way of all their horrific mistakes anyway...
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On the logical spectrum the Wikipedia article is true, but the reality is that most females these days are ****ing on a regular basis before they turn thirteen anyway.
You do realize that all the studies suggest the average age for first intercourse is closer to 17, right?
That's because people lie.
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And people only learn about relationships by way of all their horrific mistakes anyway...
That much at least is true. Advice is a fine thing, but by making mistakes in relationships we best learn not to do it a second time.
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There's a difference between - leaving out various mental defects/disability of course - intelligence and rationality. There's general evidence that the impulse control/decision making part of the brain (dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex) in 16-and-under are significantly less developed than even those a year or so older (and this part keeps developing until 25). Essentially, in the majority if not all of cases, an 16 or under has a significantly less developed ability to control themselves or make rational decisions, due simply to the natural development of the brain.
You're confusing the rational decision with the Right One.
Just because they can't think **** through fully doesn't mean they're any more or less likely to be right about it.
And I didn't mean dumb-stupid. I meant dumb-naive.
And people only learn about relationships by way of all their horrific mistakes anyway...
Naive is an entirely different concept. What you need to consider is that it's not to do with what you do or do not know in order to evaluate a decision, but having the physical capacity that makes you consider that knowledge. A naive person is naive because they misunderstand the - for lack of a better term - problem domain in solving some problem. Whereas a teenager in this context, simply doesn't consider the problem domain. It's particularly important vis-a-vis impulse control, of course. In any case, it's pretty evident that taking an action with some consideration of the consequences will lead to a better action and forethought towards recovery from the possible negative consequences.
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You do realize that all the studies suggest the average age for first intercourse is closer to 17, right?
That's a little hard to believe from what I saw in high school.
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And people only learn about relationships by way of all their horrific mistakes anyway...
That much at least is true. Advice is a fine thing, but by making mistakes in relationships we best learn not to do it a second time.
Yeah, except i cant afford to screw up this relationship.
Still waiting for lockage. :p
Wow, someone must think they got balls that clank. :doubt:
Now, to the point..
Ovbiously, nothing anyone says will change your mind*it might*, Charismatic. Truth is, no matter how much "charisma" you work on this girl, it's just not going to work. You might assume that she might not make your life a living hell, but trust me, women are devious. A girl her age, probably being under the age of consent, has all the power in the world to make your life a living hell. You're an adult as well, that is if you're in the US. Once you're 18, you're an adult in the law's eyes, and her word usually is golden if she's good enough to pull it off. I've seen this happen to three teachers in my old hometown,
Why am I convinced that you'll still do it? You said it yourself: Hormones.
You're thinking with the wrong head here, and no, I'm not saying you want sex from the girl, but you honestly are letting the testosterone take over instead of common sense and logical thinking. Common sense meaning if she's avoiding you, or expressed disinterest when you gushed to her, well then it's pretty damn safe to say she isnt going to accept a kiss. It honestly does sound like you're trying to have your way with her, and since it seemed like you didn't understand it when Ace said it, it means that you're forcing this kiss on her. Even if it's supposed to be a "suprise" move, it's still forced, because common sense tells ME that she's UNINTERESTED.
Expect a slap, and DON'T expect sympathy from the board if you DO get slapped. And if you Dont get slapped, hey, more power to ya, but I'm sure there'll be a 3-part harmony chorus of "TOOOLD YA SOOO" from the board if you tell us it didnt work out the way you wanted to.
I understand now, thank you. Yeah, i guess i would be forcing a kiss. And no, i would not whine to the forms if something went wrong afterwords.
EDIT: I 'struck out' that bit. Its inacurate- so to speak. She was not avoiding me.
Anyways...
Insofar as Char's problem goes:
He will never be able to have a friendship with the girl when he was unresolved feelings. They'll just simmer away and gnaw at his soul until he snaps and rapes her, then has to cut her throat and burry her in the woods to keep from being raped in prison
Go nuts, roll the dice, take your chances, **** her..
See, thats exactly it. A thought of kissing her, iv had for ages. It got stronger and stronger that now i actually feel like i should do it. But, no i wont rape her.
If this 'friendship' is an excuse to have your way with her, then you're surely as pathetic as Cobra suggests. I suspect it is, as she's already told you that you're just friends and you're still looking at ways to go for it. But if you're a real friend, then back off and find someone more realistic, as given all you claim to have told her, she's still rejecting you.
Go any further and you could be the youngest piece of ass on cell block 4.
To be clear. This friendship is NOT an excuse to kiss her. 1) I wouldent ever do that 2) It would be an emmence waste of time. We have known eachother almsost a full year now.
Please excuze my very long quote and responce, reply.
No. What are you trying to do, trick her?
And. 15. Christ sake, that's a kid. Most schools - or unis - you'd get flayed for that.
Not trying to trick her. I just feel i would like to kiss her and leave it as that. As a show of affection and care.
Look, if she doesn't want it, accept it. It doesn't matter that it's 'just a kiss' or somesuch, it's still a very personal 'invasion' of space, and it also puts her in a horrible position of her own as to how to react. I think to me it sounds like you know it'd be the wrong step to take, and you're trying to find a justification for it.
Very good point. I will think about that. Kudos.
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Yeah, except i cant afford to screw up this relationship.
If that's really so then don't do anything or try to force her into anything she's not comfortable with. Otherwise you're going to have to run the risk of losing what you have.
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Yeah, except i cant afford to screw up this relationship.
If that's really so then don't do anything or try to force her into anything she's not comfortable with. Otherwise you're going to have to run the risk of losing what you have.
Sound advice. If anything is going to happen...she can initiate it. While others tell me this and I tend to ignore it myself...its probably true that there are many fish in the pond it just takes time. In my unfortunate case I was too wrapped up in getting into university and then getting through the hellish program that I was in to have time to get into these sorts of things. I tried...half heartedly...but without much success. Thanks to some good advice I'm going to be a bit selfish for a while...focus on me and me alone and work my life out.
Thats what you may need to do for a while as well.
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Friends come and go.
And the few that stay tend to forget about all the stupid **** you did.
Just walk up to her, drag her somewhere quiet and tell her. Don't explain it. Don't inform her. Just ****ing tell her you wanna put your penis in her, and in as straightforward a manner as possible (without using the words 'penis' or 'inside'). She'll probably look all flustered and caught off-guard. Then you go "Look, I'm not expecting anything, I just felt I had to tell you." If she doesn't tear your clothes off there and then, she'll probably say she needs time to think about it.
Then she'll sit you down and give you this big, long, boring chat about how much she values your friendship. If she wants to **** you, she'll say something along the lines of "let's see how this go". If she doesn't (and never will) she'll just stop with the 'value your friendship' ****.
Whatever she says, look like you accept it, but with a subtle look of happiness or resignation depending on how she wants to play it.
Tada.
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And people only learn about relationships by way of all their horrific mistakes anyway...
That much at least is true. Advice is a fine thing, but by making mistakes in relationships we best learn not to do it a second time.
Yeah, except i cant afford to screw up this relationship.
Why? Is this little pre-pubescant girl the love of your life, soulmate, person you are destined to spend the rest of your life with until you die at the ripe old age of 42 and she remarries?
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As I said before: My junkie brother was 20 when he met his 15 year old girlfriend, 3 years ago. They're a few signatures away from getting a house together.
Age means very little if the people involved are pathetic enough.
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You do realize that all the studies suggest the average age for first intercourse is closer to 17, right?
That's a little hard to believe from what I saw in high school.
Perhaps your high school is a poor representative sample.
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That's entirely possible. Bored, drugged-up suburban kids may not be an accurate cross-section.
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The bored and drugged-up part most likely skewed your results.
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The bored and drugged-up part most likely skewed your results.
Eh? That's how 90% of the population is. :wtf: Atleast in the 4 schools I've been to in the past 6 years...
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Bored, yes. Drugged-up, no.
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Bored, yes. Drugged-up, no.
perhaps where you are... :sigh:
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Drugged-up, yes, all the time.
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"Drunk" is the correct term where I was at and am at now. I guess that can fall into the same category as "drugged" though...
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This thread really is getting pointless.
All I see so far is Charismatic asking for advice on how to carry on a relationship that is clearly one-way at the level expected, and then turning around and deciding not to take advice (good advice mostly) when it doesn't help him get forward with a 15 year old.
Charismatic, if the girl doesn't want a relationship now, don't force it on her. You're 18--she's 15. You're much more mature than she is emotionally; that's what I gather with you wanting to take the relationship seriously. Trust me, unless she has the same feelings for you, it won't happen. Seriously, just stick with having a good friend. Good friends can last a long time; relationships with major maturity gaps don't. I've got about three or four good friends who are girls two or three years younger than me (I be 17), and I've left it at that. Two of them are practically sisters in terms of how close we are, and we've never taken it to the point of serious relationship.
On a more sympathetic side, I understand your position. You really care for the girl, but she doesn't see it the same way back. She just wants to be friends, but you want more than that. So take some advice from someone who's gone through this--just be friends. You can't stop her from dating other guys or messing up, but be there for her if she does. I've got a list almost two Word pages length of assholes that I need to "reason" with over how they've treated some of my friends.
Be her friend, or even better, an older brother to her. You're the mature one with experience--help her through high school.
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I gotta say, you guys blow.
Letting morality get in the way of advising the man on how to get into a girl's pants. ****en sickening.
Whatever loyalty you have should lay with Char, as he's the one you know. And you should respect that he's going to do what he deems right. Instead of trying to convince him on a course of action (or inaction), you should be suggesting the best course of action in getting the girl (while minimizing any damage from a rejection) and then voicing your opinions on his situation.
But, hey, what do I know....
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:wtf: Oh my gods, the thread is back. There I was, happily thinking that it had mercifully been sucked into the infinite write-only backup device known as /dev/null, and it goes and gets reincarnated.
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The best advice you can ever have - look at what anon says, and do the exact opposite. You can't go wrong*.
*excluding the old reverse psychology, of course.
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Anubis?
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Letting morality get in the way of advising the man on how to get into a girl's pants. ****en sickening.
Whatever loyalty you have should lay with Char
Have you not considered the fact that cause we know Char we have already deemed the chance of him breeding to be too big a risk to take? :p
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Yes. But I need a sub-race of mindless drones for Project Firebird.
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...:wtf:
um... ooookay...
Precisely
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Yes. But I need a sub-race of mindless drones for Project Firebird.
Have you not considered that we might not want you to have a sub-race of mindless drones?
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If that's really so then don't do anything or try to force her into anything she's not comfortable with. Otherwise you're going to have to run the risk of losing what you have.
Good point. Heh you guys are starting to sway my resolve.
Why? Is this little pre-pubescant girl the love of your life, soulmate, person you are destined to spend the rest of your life with until you die at the ripe old age of 42 and she remarries?
Well i dont think, IMHO, we would ever make it to marry, even if she and i were older and became bf\gf. Her past would be very hard to get over.
Charismatic, if the girl doesn't want a relationship now, don't force it on her. You're 18--she's 15. You're much more mature than she is emotionally; that's what I gather with you wanting to take the relationship seriously. Trust me, unless she has the same feelings for you, it won't happen. Seriously, just stick with having a good friend. Good friends can last a long time; relationships with major maturity gaps don't. I've got about three or four good friends who are girls two or three years younger than me (I be 17), and I've left it at that. Two of them are practically sisters in terms of how close we are, and we've never taken it to the point of serious relationship.
On a more sympathetic side, I understand your position. You really care for the girl, but she doesn't see it the same way back. She just wants to be friends, but you want more than that. So take some advice from someone who's gone through this--just be friends. You can't stop her from dating other guys or messing up, but be there for her if she does. I've got a list almost two Word pages length of assholes that I need to "reason" with over how they've treated some of my friends.
Be her friend, or even better, an older brother to her. You're the mature one with experience--help her through high school.
Yeah i guess friends would be a good thing to have at the least. Dam hormonez.
I gotta say, you guys blow.
Letting morality get in the way of advising the man on how to get into a girl's pants. ****en sickening.
Whatever loyalty you have should lay with Char, as he's the one you know. And you should respect that he's going to do what he deems right. Instead of trying to convince him on a course of action (or inaction), you should be suggesting the best course of action in getting the girl (while minimizing any damage from a rejection) and then voicing your opinions on his situation.
But, hey, what do I know....
I am starting to gain a respect for An0n. Funy as hell, his odd comments and opinions are interesting to say the least. Its good to have someone who dont see the same way everyone else dose. Im like that myself. And i agree. Lend your loyalty to me!
Have you not considered the fact that cause we know Char we have already deemed the chance of him breeding to be too big a risk to take? :p
Hey! :P
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Just a quick question for an0n and then you all can get back to this thing.
An0n, do you ever have the 'little angel and devil' on the shoulders thing telling you what to do, or did the angel just decide to say '**** it' and go get drunk, because thats what it sounds like. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just a bit curious.
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Well i dont think, IMHO, we would ever make it to marry, even if she and i were older and became bf\gf. Her past would be very hard to get over.
So what's so big dark and evil about her past?
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Well i dont think, IMHO, we would ever make it to marry, even if she and i were older and became bf\gf. Her past would be very hard to get over.
So what's so big dark and evil about her past?
More imporntantly what kind of past can a 15[/i] year old have?
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Quite possibly something a hell of a lot more horrible than anything you've experienced.
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Just a quick question for an0n and then you all can get back to this thing.
An0n, do you ever have the 'little angel and devil' on the shoulders thing telling you what to do, or did the angel just decide to say '**** it' and go get drunk, because thats what it sounds like. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just a bit curious.
The Little Angel doesn't talk much anymore. He got tired of being teased by the Little Devil for constantly being wrong. Now he just sits and drinks, gently weeping as he drowns his sorrows in another tequila slammer.
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As for the 'dark past', I'm guessing general sluttery and an abortion.
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Yeah, that's usually the generic one.
Maybe some suicidal parents thrown into the mix too.
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Ooh and there's the "Her brother used to cut himself".
I had to stop cutting on my arms infront of my buddy's girlfriend because of that. Fortunately she had a massive rack and a ****en smokin' body - so I let it slide.
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People need to learn to cut deeper though.
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Considering the source I think it's more likely that she was Catholic before going to an evangelical church :p
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Like I said, slutty abortionist.
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Quite possibly something a hell of a lot more horrible than anything you've experienced.
quite possible just attention whoring though :V
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The Little Angel doesn't talk much anymore. He got tired of being teased by the Little Devil for constantly being wrong. Now he just sits and drinks, gently weeping as he drowns his sorrows in another tequila slammer.
Ooh, same here, but my Devil is Nihilist and the Angel hasn't quite given up. He only talks to me when I'm as drunk as he is.
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quite possible just attention whoring though :V
Quite possibly nobody else's place to decide.
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Except God....
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Actually, Eh Steve fills in for God on little stuff like this.
(http://forestpirate.net/pictures/eh-steve.gif)
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quite possible just attention whoring though :V
Quite possibly nobody else's place to decide.
No, and that's right.
I was more poking at the fact that the glorious INTERNET males - which are often quite, uhm, extraordinary fellows in many aspects too - seem to attract but more get attracted to awesome gothic females which are always somehow mysteriously so trapped in their absurdly ****ed-up past that they reject any commitment with said INTERNET male and instead just squirm out of the unpleasant situation.
It seems a bit too convenient and I seriously doubt it's all just fat chance and magiks of the interweb.
As does INTERNET Males' tendency to go quite misogynist and accuse females of their [INTERNET Males'] complete lack of dating skillz.
Of course this argument cannot be based on anything for obvious reasons so (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/156/emotv3oh.gif)
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Yes. But I need a sub-race of mindless drones for Project Firebird.
Have you not considered that we might not want you to have a sub-race of mindless drones?
Have you not considered how incredibly awesome that would be?
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Hmm, this thread has went to Derek Smarts Locker. :p
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Yes. But I need a sub-race of mindless drones for Project Firebird.
Have you not considered that we might not want you to have a sub-race of mindless drones?
Have you not considered how incredibly awesome that would be?
;7
Hmm, this thread has went to Derek Smarts Locker. :p
deserves lockage? :p
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Charisma i have this advice for you man.
Go for it.
Please.
And video tape it.
We'll keep a place in our hearts for you in memory.
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Bah. Why doesn't he just do what the Japanese do and get legal aged girls to dress like they're in elementary school?
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Bah. Why doesn't he just do what the Japanese do and get legal aged girls to dress like they're in elementary school?
what's the challenge in that :cool:
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no, high-school fukus. :pimp:
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deserves lockage? :p
Like your account?
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Mistah_Kurtz/thcookiemonster.jpg)
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Well i dont think, IMHO, we would ever make it to marry, even if she and i were older and became bf\gf. Her past would be very hard to get over
Then why bother? You would just end up wasteing a bunch of time and money.
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And getting some pussy.
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And on that note, the spammage ends.