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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on March 07, 2006, 12:37:52 am
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I'm thrilled...
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I never saw it.
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I loved Crash. I thought it was an absolutely gorgeous film, and I was extremely glad to see it win. The only other one I would have been okay with was Capote.
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Crash is an excellent movie, well deserved winner.
But everyone is acting surprised that Brokeback Mountain didn't win best movie. I saw that too, and while it's not bad, it's not spectacularly great either. I don't understand the whole fuzz about "OMG teh cowboys are ghey!!!111".
Maybe a movie about a gay relationship produces more controversy in conservative America than in Europe, but the main reason I heard people talk about Brokeback Mountain around here, are girls having the hots for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal.
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Heh, considering John Wayne was Gay, I've never understood all the snotty-nosed behaviour about Brokeback mountain.
Never seen Crash, but from the sound of it, it seems it got the rewards it deserved :)
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Offering a gay perspective on Brokeback Mountain - not that I think it's any more relevant - it accomplished what it went out to do, but it bored the hell out of me after the first bit. The photography was fantastic at the start, the men were rather tasty, and the setting beautiful... except it was all done better 18 years before before in a film called Maurice (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093512/). It was overlooked in its time, I think, because it was somewhat more erotic and slightly more explicit (oh, and British), but everything was done better without the tedious stretches of bugger-all happening. Crash certainly deserved the award, but I was saddened something like Memoirs of a Geisha didn't get offered the top spot.
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except it was all done better 18 years before before in a film called Maurice (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093512/). It was overlooked in its time, I think, because it was somewhat more erotic and slightly more explicit (oh, and British), but everything was done better without the tedious stretches of bugger-all happening.
A wonderful and excellent film, that. :nod: I recently bought the DVD; a true classic. And Rupert Graves as Alec was a one, cute, Sexy beast. ;7
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Crash deserved Best Movie. I have nothing against Brokeback or anything (I thought it was a good movie), but it wasn't nearly as good as the aforementioned Best Picture winner.
Now when the award for Original Song came out, then I was surprised...
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Not that I have anything against it, but how many people on this board are actually gay? I've been here, for like, forever, and so has SadisticSid, but I never knew you were gay. Cool. :p
But yea, the only reason people flipped about Brokeback Mountain was because it was about gay people. Take that out and no one would've given it a second glance.
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Well there's nothing like minority issues to bring the Hollywood masses out in waves of support. It's a shame they don't have an award for originality in film, but then that's an attribute they've never cared much for. :)
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Not that I have anything against it, but how many people on this board are actually gay? I've been here, for like, forever, and so has SadisticSid, but I never knew you were gay. Cool. :p
But yea, the only reason people flipped about Brokeback Mountain was because it was about gay people. Take that out and no one would've given it a second glance.
*raises hand* >..>
The whole gay issue is just annoying though. I'm sure it would have been generally ignored if the media didn't hype it like crazy. When Bill asshat O'reilly does an episode on the show, it's bound to draw more negative attention. :sigh:
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I'm going to see Crash with some good friends tomorrow. Should be fun. :)
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yeah i bet there are a lot of gays on this board if you actually start searching.
Crash was a great movie. one of my top 5 movies of all time, along with Road to Perdition and Tombstone
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Not that I have anything against it, but how many people on this board are actually gay? I've been here, for like, forever, and so has SadisticSid, but I never knew you were gay. Cool. :p
But yea, the only reason people flipped about Brokeback Mountain was because it was about gay people. Take that out and no one would've given it a second glance.
I'm fairly metrosexual-- does that count?
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I haven't seen Crash, Brokeback Moutain, or Walk the Line. I will probably see they some day but they aren't something I want to see badly.
It's cool to have a gay community on HLP :)
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I'm boring ol' Hetero, and used to be terribly Homophobic too, then I realised I was a pretty good musician, and started hanging out with other musicians, many of whom were Gay. That was an an abject lesson to me that the only way you can ever judge people is by getting to know them, not by what your mates, or the papers or anything else tells you about them.
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Im very homophobic... i scare myself. But seriously, if homosexuality is so everyday normal, why does a movie have to be made to specifically point it out?
When i hear Crash i think of drugs on EVE Online.
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Im very homophobic... i scare myself. But seriously, if homosexuality is so everyday normal, why does a movie have to be made to specifically point it out?
For the same reason that To Kill a Mockingbird was written even though being black is normal.
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Crash is ****ing garbage. I despise that film almost as much as Love Actually and Napoleon Dynamite.
Sandra Bullock overacted. Brendan Fraser can't act. Don Cheadle is a one-trick pony. Ludacris apparently wandered in off the set of Barbershop 3. Matt Dillon is just annoying. And the musical score made my goddamn ears bleed.
Brokeback Mountain was fantastic in all but three aspects: The plot, the directing and the casting.
It's self-indulgent, whiney bull**** that moves at a forcedly slow pace to try and feign character depth with long pauses and slow, purposeful movements. And putting Ledger and Gyllehnal up front is just a blatant attempt at whoring to the pink pound. It's the cinematic equivalent of making a documentary series about Jeri Ryan and dealing solely with her lust for fat, poor Star Trek fans with bad eye-sight and some kind of unsightly rash. It's basically soft-core [gay] porn mixed with a horrifically cliched chick-flick.
I'd rather cut my goddamn throat than watch either of those pretentious pieces of **** again.
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Oh and Walk The Line kicks ass.
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Bareback Mountain was retarded. I'm glad it lost.
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i didn't see it on principle. walk the line was good. crash was good.
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Oh and Walk The Line kicks ass.
At least we agree on something.
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We all know Serenity should have won. But they never give it out to the best film, and to hope otherwise is very naive. I refuse to acknowledge the authority of people who passed over both Fight Club and the Matrix (first one) for awards.
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Serenity > *
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Serenity? Fight Club? come on, you guys. If snobby elitist type people wouldn't like it, then it won't get nominated.
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yeah i bet there are a lot of gays on this board if you actually start searching.
We have 2000 members, so we're bound to have at least a few dozen gays.
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Serenity? Fight Club? come on, you guys. If snobby elitist type people wouldn't like it, then it won't get nominated.
An organization that would consider Titanic for best picture obviously isn't very good at being elitist.
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Lack of Munich winning = Insta fail for the Academy
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An organization that would consider Titanic for best picture obviously isn't very good at being elitist.
LOL ok i've got to disagree with you there... as kitch as I found (parts of) Titanic to be, that movie seriously set some major precedents. it was a M-A-S-S-I-V-E undertaking (i mean building the world's biggest water-tank? building a scale replica of titanic? geez c'mon!), and i think james cameron pulled it off amazingly.
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But it was a hollow, cookie-cutter love story whose philosophical content went about as deep as the usual "love conquers all". It was the equivalent of one of those paperback romances you find on the spinning rack in the library. The art of film has given us thinkers like Ingmar Bergman and Stanley Kubrick; I can't take a film like Titanic seriously when people like that have shown us what a movie can be. It's like comparing Fabio to James Joyce.
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We all know Serenity should have won. But they never give it out to the best film, and to hope otherwise is very naive. I refuse to acknowledge the authority of people who passed over both Fight Club and the Matrix (first one) for awards.
Quoted for truth.
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This year's awards were terrible, we can all agree on that. Instead of actually picking the best films of the year, the Academy went for as many controversial films as it could find or movies that had some deep "message" to them--like people have said, Brokeback was a slow love story that would have been ordinarily ignored if it weren't for the fact that it was a movie made about gays. Serenity had a great story, dialogue, and even had it's own little "moral" to it. Of course, since it was science fiction, the Academy instantly condemned it as "not worthy of the Academy Awards." The only time I can think of a sci-fi movie winning anything bigger than a technical award is win Sigourney Weaver won Best Actress for her part in Aliens.
There was also the suspicious absence of Jarhead, which was quite a good film IMO. Certainly a little better than Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana.
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We all know Serenity should have won. But they never give it out to the best film, and to hope otherwise is very naive. I refuse to acknowledge the authority of people who passed over both Fight Club and the Matrix (first one) for awards.
Quoted for truth.
Double-quoted for double-truth.
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Quoted from the Wiki regarding John Wayne.....
Wayne was married three times; to Josephine Alicia Saenz, Esperanza Baur, and Pilar Palette. He had four children with Josephine, three with Pilar, most notably Patrick Wayne. All but one of his children went on to have minor Hollywood careers. Recent research has indicated that a likely cause of Wayne's failed marriages was the fact that Wayne was a closeted homosexual. Most scholars disagree with this assertion - although significant amounts of evidence point to the fact that Wayne did have homosexual relationships with a number of prominent actors of the period, letters from Wayne's second wife Baur indicate that, while she was aware of his inclinations, their marriage was in fact genuine, and point to a likely conclusion that Wayne was a bisexual. Despite a significant accumulation of evidence in the last several years, the Wayne Estate firmly denies even the possibility that he had homosexual relationships, and have managed to litigate the issue out of the public eye. For more information on the subject, see the August 14, 2001 issue of Newsweek magazine.
So much for ruining the memory of Marion Morrison ;)
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Am I the only one here who didn't like Serenity?
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I'm afraid so :p
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I'm afraid so :p
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i didn't think Serenity was that good, but i didn't think it was that bad either.
i'm sorry, i just can't watch a 12 year old skinny girl take on a couple dozen fully armed soldiers and win, and still take the movie seriously.
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Agreed on the point of River suddenly taking out an entire barroom of burly guys all at once, but overall the movie was great just because it hardly wasted a single moment. There's constant action, well-placed and well-written conversations, and hardly any moment where I ever remember being bored or even slightly uninterested in the theater. I saw it before I had ever heard of Firefly, and it frankly impressed me.
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She's 17, and it's nice to see a hero like her as opposed to a uberbeefed out man in armour plating doing all the killing. It's what made her special.
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it's also what made the movie that much cheesier.
i have to admit it was a non-stop action movie, which was kind of nice to see, but some of the parts with the girl beating up people just amused me ;)
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Given that she's a ballet dancer and thus has strong, well-controlled muscles and excellent balance, I'm pretty sure Summar Glau could kung-fu your ass into a coma.
So it's not such a suspension of disbelief.
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If you can't accept the fact that someone who has had who knows what kind of top secret experiments run on her not to mention being telepathic can take out a room full of burly men you have no business watching sci-fi in the first place. :p
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Plus, she's hot. They probably LET her beat them up, just to suck up.
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I thought serenity was average because, frankly, the plot was about as deep as it snows around here.
Which pretty much is never.
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Joss Whedon's work always has an element of tongue-in-cheek to it, which solidifies writing that might otherwise be weak and silly. No, Serenity is not terribly deep as films go, but it has the perfect amount of macabre irony to make its themes worth paying attention to.
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Plus, she's hot.
Is this the thread where I just agree with everyone an0n says?
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Firefly > Serenity
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roger that.
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Firefly > Serenity
I don't think many would disagree with that. Serenity was rushed due to the fact that it was resolving several plot threads that should have taken a season or so to deal with.
Still made a damn good film though :)