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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on June 03, 2006, 02:05:57 pm

Title: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 03, 2006, 02:05:57 pm
According to the wierdo of Miami.....

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/police/2924321.html

Seriously, this guy wouldn't be out of place at Finsbury Park Mosque in it's bad days.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 03, 2006, 04:02:56 pm
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Thompson said published reports that Neher told detectives he and Everette killed Gore because Gore would not let them borrow his car follows “the same scenario in (the video) ‘Grand Theft Auto.’ ”

Right, because GTA was made before carjackins ever existed....
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: an0n on June 03, 2006, 05:08:05 pm
When in GTA do you kill people for them refusing to reliquinsh their vehicle?

I either sniper them in the head and take the car, drag them out and take the car, or drag them out, have them jump up and drag me back out and they get away long before I can kill them.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 03, 2006, 05:22:47 pm
It gets better....


Thompson :

"All of the 'Grand Theft Auto' games are designed to be played on the PlayStation 2 with the 'dual shock' controller. This hand-held device gives you a pleasurable buzz back into your hands with each kill. This is operant conditioning, behavior modification right out of B.F. Skinner's laboratory."

Mweh? :wtf:

And it looks like Thompson's 'evidence' on the case consisted of GTA and a bunch of non-commercial Flash games he got off the Internet which are nothing whatsoever to do with the gaming Industry. Seriously, why is he still allowed to practice law?
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Grug on June 03, 2006, 11:27:18 pm
Seriously the dude needs a better hobby. =/
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Turnsky on June 04, 2006, 12:19:18 am
When in GTA do you kill people for them refusing to reliquinsh their vehicle?

I either sniper them in the head and take the car, drag them out and take the car, or drag them out, have them jump up and drag me back out and they get away long before I can kill them.

i just stole the car THEN run 'em over with it :p
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Ford Prefect on June 04, 2006, 01:11:20 am
I guess Dick Cheney must play video games. *batum-CHING*
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Kie99 on June 04, 2006, 04:47:48 am
I drag them out of the car, then beat them to death when they're on the floor. :nervous:
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: karajorma on June 04, 2006, 06:21:45 am
I guess Dick Cheney must play video games. *batum-CHING*

Actually he probably qualified for the shooting people in the face thing as a hitman.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 04, 2006, 07:10:11 am
When in GTA do you kill people for them refusing to reliquinsh their vehicle?

I either sniper them in the head and take the car, drag them out and take the car, or drag them out, have them jump up and drag me back out and they get away long before I can kill them.

You can drag them out the car but not get in (I think you need to hold away at the same time as triangle or similar), beat the **** out of them with a giant rubber phallus, then steal the car.


And in the game.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Kosh on June 04, 2006, 08:41:16 am
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"All of the 'Grand Theft Auto' games are designed to be played on the PlayStation 2 with the 'dual shock' controller. This hand-held device gives you a pleasurable buzz back into your hands with each kill. This is operant conditioning, behavior modification right out of B.F. Skinner's laboratory."

What kind of reasoning is that?
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Mefustae on June 04, 2006, 09:10:14 am
What kind of reasoning is that?
Thompsonesque reasoning, to be sure.

...What? That is so a word! Look it up.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 04, 2006, 12:55:26 pm
Thing is, the Louisiana Senate buy this stuff wholesale, I don't think they've ever checked a fact in their lives. They are actually under the impression that there are commercial games on the shelf in the US which allow you to commit Rape on other characters.

I 'think' there is an MMO which allows people to carry out Fetish fantasies with consent, but, as far as I know, that is the only 'commercial' game outside of the Japanese mainland that allows anything along those lines, and it's never been through the ESRB and isn't based in the US.

Ignorance reigns supreme in Louisiana at the moment alas :(
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: WMCoolmon on June 04, 2006, 01:45:47 pm
If you believe that video games don't have an effect on behavior, why shouldn't a game based on rape be perfectly acceptable?
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 04, 2006, 01:49:00 pm
It's not the content of the game, it is the image of gamers and the US gaming industry being projected to the general public. Personally, I shouldn't give a damn, I'm in the UK, these new laws don't affect me, but using blatant lies and defamation in order to try and put controls on only video games (the movie rating systems is voluntary, always has been) I begin to hear the word 'persectution' knocking around my head.

And I didn't say I don't think violent media has an effect, but it should be debated using little tools like facts, and should be applied to all the media that these studies mentioned, which is TV, Film and Video games, not just to what is politically expedient at the time.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 04, 2006, 01:49:07 pm
If you believe that video games don't have an effect on behavior, why shouldn't a game based on rape be perfectly acceptable?

Why isn't porno shown at 11am on Saturday mornings?
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: ilya on June 04, 2006, 02:20:09 pm
Umm... because no-one is awake on Saturday before 12?
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: karajorma on June 04, 2006, 04:12:20 pm
If there was porn, people would get up early.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 04, 2006, 04:12:48 pm
If there was porn, people would get up early.

:lol:
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aceofspades on June 04, 2006, 04:19:06 pm
If there was porn, people would get up early.

If there was porn, something else would get up early. *batum-CHING*

EDIT: Sorry, aldo beat me to it...  :(
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: achtung on June 04, 2006, 04:58:11 pm
Haha!  Puns!
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 04, 2006, 05:04:01 pm
Welcome to My Mind on a Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aceofspades on June 04, 2006, 05:29:59 pm
Welcome to My Mind on a Sunday evening.

*Runs away from Aldo's Mind on a Sunday evening*
You should start a blog or something so we can get regular doses of those "Haha! Puns!", in the eloquent words of Swantz.  ;7
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 04, 2006, 05:43:59 pm
Welcome to My Mind on a Sunday evening.

*Runs away from Aldo's Mind on a Sunday evening*
You should start a blog or something so we can get regular doses of those "Haha! Puns!", in the eloquent words of Swantz.  ;7

I have a blog.  It's mostly angry rants and swears.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: vyper on June 04, 2006, 06:38:17 pm
So you're the guy who writes the Daily Record then...
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: aldo_14 on June 05, 2006, 02:59:44 am
So you're the guy who writes the Daily Record then...

I'd like to think I'm more intelligable than that........
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 06, 2006, 05:14:15 pm
Well, as from this afternoon, anyone living in Louisiana has to obey a video game law as defined by Jack Thompson. This means another round of expensive legal battles which will lead to it's eventual departure for being unconstitutional.

You know, you would have thought the state recovering from Katrina would have more important things to do with its time and money....
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Mars on June 06, 2006, 05:32:43 pm
Not in the US.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: karajorma on June 06, 2006, 05:50:10 pm
Video games caused the hurricane though.

Have you not seen Black and White 2? It blatantly teaches impressionable children that they must train an 80 foot cow to wreak destruction on the countryside.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Tyrian on June 06, 2006, 06:01:51 pm
@Kara -- Lol, imagine the damage caused by the cow pies...  ;)

On a serious note, my philosophy regarding game content is simple.

1.)  If it offends you, don't play it.
2.)  It's the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids play.  Unfortunately, most of America seems to have an aversion to the "R word." 
3.)  Video games don't cause violence.  People who are so immature they take video games (like GTA) seriously cause violence.

The solution:  Parents need to judge whether their kid is mature enough to play a given game...It all comes back to the "R word."
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: WMCoolmon on June 06, 2006, 08:05:59 pm
If there was porn, people would get up early.

 :lol:

If you believe that video games don't have an effect on behavior, why shouldn't a game based on rape be perfectly acceptable?

Why isn't porno shown at 11am on Saturday mornings?

Well, my point was that it's a bit silly to try and justify one example of crime in a video game, by arguing that another heinous crime doesn't appear in a video game. JT's argument seems to be that videogames have an adverse mental effects on the minds of players, responding to that by saying that there aren't games where you rape someone just seems to imply that the former assertion by Mr.JT is true.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Flipside on June 06, 2006, 08:08:33 pm
The point I was making was not whether the games should exist or not, it was that the Louisiana senate were being told they did when they didn't. It was the manipulation of facts that annoyed me. I wouldn't let an 8 year old child watch a movie with rape in any more than I would let him play a game with rape in, but that is my decision to make, based on my personal beliefs, not the governments.
Title: Re: Only gamers and Hitmen shoot people in the face....
Post by: Ulala on June 07, 2006, 12:39:26 am
Hooray for more government.  :doubt: No one let JT get a old of Hentai games..  :shaking: