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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wild Fragaria on June 05, 2006, 11:57:28 am
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It's a very interesting human behavior to study.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/06/05/self.abuse.study.ap/index.html
Monday, June 5, 2006; Posted: 10:40 a.m. EDT (14:40 GMT)
CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- Nearly 1 in 5 students at two Ivy League schools say they have purposely injured themselves by cutting, burning or other methods, a disturbing phenomenon that psychologists say they are hearing about more often.
For some young people, self-abuse is an extreme coping mechanism that seems to help relieve stress; for others it's a way to make deep emotional wounds more visible.
The results of the survey at Cornell and Princeton are similar to other estimates on this frightening behavior. Counselors say it's happening at colleges, high schools and middle schools across the country.
Separate research found more than 400 Web sites devoted to subject, including many that glorify self-injury. Some worry that many sites serve as an online subculture that fuels the behavior -- although whether there has been an increase in the practice or just more awareness is unclear.
Sarah Rodey, 20, a University of Illinois student who started cutting herself at age 16, said some online sites help socially isolated kids feel like they belong. One of her favorites includes graphic photographs that the site warns might be "triggering."
"I saw myself in some of those pictures, in the poems. And because I saw myself there, I wanted to connect to it better" by self-injuring, Rodey said.
The Web sites, recent books and media coverage are pulling back the curtain on the secretive practice and helping researchers better understand why some as young as grade-schoolers do it.
"You're trying to get people to know that you're hurting, and at the same time, it pushes them away" because the behavior is so distressing, said Rodey, who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
The latest prevalence estimate comes from an analysis of responses from 2,875 randomly selected male and female undergraduates and graduate students at Cornell and Princeton who completed an Internet-based mental health survey.
Seventeen percent said they had purposely injured themselves; among those, 70 percent had done so multiple times. The estimate is comparable to previous reports on U.S. adolescents and young adults, but slightly higher than studies of high school students in Australia and the United Kingdom.
The study appears in this month's issue of Pediatrics, released Monday. Cornell psychologist Janis Whitlock, the study's main author, also led the Web site research, published in April in Developmental Psychology.
Among the Ivy League students who harmed themselves, about half said they'd experienced sexual, emotional or physical abuse that researchers think can trigger self-abuse.
Repeat self-abusers were more likely than non-injurers to be female and to have had eating disorders or suicidal tendencies, although self-injuring is usually not considered a suicide attempt.
Greg Eels, director of counseling and psychological services at Cornell, said the study's findings are not surprising. "We see it frequently and it seems to be an increasing phenomenon."
While Eels said the competitive, stressful college environment may be particularly intense at Ivy League schools, he thinks the results reflect a national problem.
Dr. Daniel Silverman, a study co-author and Princeton's director of health services, said the study has raised consciousness among his staff, who are now encouraged to routinely ask about self-abuse when faced with students "in acute distress."
"Unless we start talking about it and making it more acceptable for people to come forward, it will remain hidden," Silverman said.
Some self-injurers have no diagnosable illness but have not learned effective ways to cope with life stresses, said Victoria White Kress, an associate professor at Youngstown State University in Ohio. She consults with high schools and says demand for her services has risen in recent years.
Psychologists who work with middle and high schools "are overwhelmed with referrals for these kids," said psychologist Richard Lieberman, who coordinates a suicide prevention program for Los Angeles public schools.
He said one school recently reported several fourth-graders with burns on their arms, and another seeking help for "15 hysterical seventh-grade girls in the office and they all have cuts on their arms."
In those situations, Lieberman said there's usually one instigator whose behavior is copied by sympathetic but probably less troubled friends.
Rodey, a college sophomore, said cutting became part of her daily high school routine.
"It was part of waking up, getting dressed, the last look in the mirror and then the cut on the wrist. It got to be where I couldn't have a perfect day without it," Rodey said.
"If I was apprehensive about going to school, or I wasn't feeling great, I did that and I'd get a little rush," she said.
Whitlock is among researchers who believe that "rush" is feel-good hormones called endorphins produced in response to pain. But it is often followed by deep shame and the injuries sometimes require medical treatment.
Vicki Duffy, 37, runs a Morris County, New Jersey, support group and said when she was in her 20s, she had skin graft surgery on her arms after burning herself with cigarettes and a fire-starter. After psychological and drug treatment, she stopped the behavior 10 years ago.
Author of the 2004 book "No More Pain: Breaking the Silence of Self-Injury," Duffy recalled being stopped on the street by a 70-year-old woman who saw her scarred arms and said, "'I used to do that."'
Rodey said she stopped several months ago with the help of S.A.F.E. (Self-Abuse Finally Ends) Alternatives treatment program at a suburban Chicago hospital. Treatment includes behavior therapy and keeping a written log to track what triggers the behavior.
Rodey said she feels "healed" but not cured "because it's something I will struggle with the rest of my life. Whenever I get really stressed out, that's the first thing I think about."
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I've known a few people who've got depressed (well, one was hospitalized, the other was on a form of anti-depressants but I didn't push him for a specific reason), and although I don't think it caused physical (self) harm, it's scary stuff. I can kind of understand how it spirals down that way, though, when people feel numb enough to do pretty much anything just to feel something, or get attention. It's a shame that perhaps human nature is to ignore people, unless they're right in front of you screaming for help.
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I have a friend with scars that will probably be with her the rest of her life from self-abuse (cuts). I'm sorry anyone does it, whether they can help it or not.
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np: Combichirst - Enjoy The Abuse
:nervous: *runs*
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I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself.
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I've known a few people who've got depressed (well, one was hospitalized, the other was on a form of anti-depressants but I didn't push him for a specific reason), and although I don't think it caused physical (self) harm, it's scary stuff. I can kind of understand how it spirals down that way, though, when people feel numb enough to do pretty much anything just to feel something, or get attention. It's a shame that perhaps human nature is to ignore people, unless they're right in front of you screaming for help.
It's true, when people are feeling numb, they will do anything to feel again. I don't sure in the case of depression, people cut themselves to get attention, but I think it's pretty safe to say that they did so to feel relieve.
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I don't sure in the case of depression, people cut themselves to get attention, but I think it's pretty safe to say that they did so to feel relieve.
Um, actually I'm pretty sure it is a motivation, because it's a way of getting people to actually look and say 'are you ok?'. Even if the response is a lie ('yes'), that initial question means something, it's just that the person is sort of scared by the attention at the same time as craving it.
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If I feel like hurting myself I just go run around my neighborhood. The more I run, the more it starts hurting (muscles, "tired", etc.)
Of course, instead of scars, the side effect is I get into real good shape which boosts my self esteem anyway...
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If I wanted to hurt myself I'ld just ustilise loud headphones and the majority of my music collection.
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I don't sure in the case of depression, people cut themselves to get attention, but I think it's pretty safe to say that they did so to feel relieve.
Um, actually I'm pretty sure it is a motivation, because it's a way of getting people to actually look and say 'are you ok?'. Even if the response is a lie ('yes'), that initial question means something, it's just that the person is sort of scared by the attention at the same time as craving it.
I think motivation comes later and it's easily turned into addiction. At moment when things hurt, people actually feel good. It's sort of like having drugs or alcohol.
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I think it's a life-affirmation thing, feeling pain proves that you are alive.
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I personally think it's all of them. It's just a question of which is the initial spark, and which drives it into addiction.
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Look at it this way.
Most parents have been avoiding physical punishment for their children. Which I believe is basically needed for proper discipline (exceptions do exist). So in turn, the children are doing this in order to give themselves self-discipline. They're just doing it in an extreme manner.
Quick thought on the subject. :)
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Look at it this way.
Most parents have been avoiding physical punishment for their children. Which I believe is basically needed for proper discipline (exceptions do exist). So in turn, the children are doing this in order to give themselves self-discipline. They're just doing it in an extreme manner.
Quick thought on the subject. :)
Um, how about no? If anything, physical discipline - violence when done to an adult - only gives the impression that love is coupled with physical attack.
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Good point. Although you're acting as if I meant someone abusing a child or adult. I'm speaking of small things, like spankings and the like (mainly in childhood).
I've never been in a self-abuse situation, so I can't really speak of it. It would be nice to hear an account directly from someone who does it.
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Good point. Although you're acting as if I meant someone abusing a child or adult. I'm speaking of small things, like spankings and the like (mainly in childhood).
I've never been in a self-abuse situation, so I can't really speak of it. It would be nice to hear an account directly from someone who does it.
No, that's not atall what I mean. One of the fundamental arguements against physical punishment - which does often equate to violence (slapping the kid, etc; if done softly, it isn't a punshment......)- is that in a developing kids mind, it leads to the impression that a) love is equated with violence (i.e. being hurt by parent) and b) violence is a suitable punishment (i.e. that anything can be solved through hurting someone). Oh, and of course the side arguement that it's divisive for the parent-child relationship and just breeds resentment.
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I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself.
Bash.org = win. :D
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I used to do that... it's amazing how addictive pain can be.
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i got a few rather deep short cuts in strategic places along my circulatory system, over big fat veins and such.. had my blade not been not so pitifully dull id have had a gusher or two. of course if you want to die the best thing to do is use a short double eged blade and jam it into your corrodid artery. youl be dead in an easy 3 seconds. surely beats slowly making an incesion down to the veins in your wrists. the desire for death in such a case is certainly more so than the desire of attention. i kept my cuts small and deep so as to avoid attention. it has occured to me over the years than unless your rich, psyciatric care is worthless, full of misdiagnoses, multipurpose drugs (that do nothing), and a total lack of intelegent therapy. thus such attention is very undesirable. i dont like people very much and the last thing i want is them questioning me if im alright. what they should be asking is if the human race is alright. i am only but a slightly cracked nut in a vast machine, there are other cracked parts as well, and when there are enough, and the machine is pushed to hard, it will fail. so i think people destroying themselves is just a sign that the machine is running to hard. mankind just needs to slow down.
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Ok it gets me that people blame websites and all sorts of media related influences when the problems are OBVIOUSLY deeper. They are at a societal/family/stress related pressure level which is too complicated or too difficult for people to deal with so they just ignore it and deal with something they can actually target, legislate or otherwise wish away. Its cowardice.
These folks need support, help, attention, and the break out of the pressure filled lifestyle that they have often been planted into. I've had my moments...I haven't had to resort to this but I understand why some people need to take the next step. They feel like they are getting kicked in the teeth by life so why not actually feel that sort of pain so its worth something. Yeah I do think I understand and I think often the problems are external...pressured into rediculous things at rediculous standards that not everyone can cope with all at once. Give it a year...take a year off...chill out...figure out life...contemplate things...slow down. See where you're at and whats around you.
I really think thats what most of these people need. Its what family and friends and those around them can do that no psychologist can.
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i have to agree with that. but then again if i took a year off, id be on the street begging for quarters. im fortunate to have a job that allows me to be a little bit crazy. i make my own hours, have to communicate with only a few people, and im on a commission so what i make is proportional to the effort i put into it. my mother, whos a diagnosed schizophrenic who draws disability and social security isnt able to own anything, make money, own a car, or live in a semi descent apartment (at least if i wasnt here to fork over half the rent). then its bad for everyone else cause theyre taxes go up to support the under-utilised insane population. people complain about it and funding gets cut and other programs (like mandatory community service for people on assistance) get implemented and it tends to make matters worse. its why we still have bums on the street, they could get on welfare, but they make them jump through so many hoops they would rather stay where theyre at. if you have a job the system pretty much considers you not-crazy and wont give you any insurance to buy happy pills with or any other support. people on the system get quack doctors who love jumping to conclusions (sorta like a wannabe computer geek telling you you need a new hard drive, when a format will do). so its hard to get on the system and once your on its hard to get off.
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If I feel like hurting myself I just go run around my neighborhood. The more I run, the more it starts hurting (muscles, "tired", etc.)
Of course, instead of scars, the side effect is I get into real good shape which boosts my self esteem anyway...
Actually thats not quite true, The pain is Lactic acid which builds up due to improper preperation.
I do three X four mile jogs a week, i spend 5 mins jogging "gently" then you gotta stretch> calves, thighs, shoulders, neck, jog till you ache slightly, sprint for say 50 metres, then break back into a jog, when you catch your breath, break into a sprint for another 50 metres. keep it up till your 2 miles out, turn arouond do the same til you get home. Then !!!STRETCH!! and do some cool down exercises, 15 press-ups + 25 sit-ups is ok for a beginner, more experienced shouls go for at least 45 press-ups and 60 sit-ups in a ten minute cool down period. Thats my regime.
heres a polan i found in about 5 secs through google.
http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_100/116_fitness_tip.html (http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_100/116_fitness_tip.html)
(covers the basics, but not comprehensive enough for my liking)
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Dekker, I think he knows that and you missed the point. I too sometimes skip the stretching and preparation and just run in to the sunset. And then the next day I do the stretching because it hurts like hell. Because the hurt makes me feel that I really have muscles, and that I have done something good to those muscles. Thats important to me because I'm a lazy bastard feeling the actual results of doing something productive does wonders for my low self esteem.
The sad fact is that youth has to put incredible amount of effort to thrive in modern society. To get education and job, and somehow cover the enermous living expenses. Thats not easy. Ofcourse most people in these boards have iq of a rocket engineer and have no problem getting good grades and a highpaying job. But some people do not enjoy being under constant stress. Having to prove your worth regulary in exams. Or going around begging for a job. The stress builds up, it's depressing. I have not been a very cheerful person for the past 10 years. Quite frankly, life pisses me off. Life is hard. But as I said earlier, I'm a lazy bastard so I haven't done anything about it, neither good (working like hell day and night) or bad (cutting my self, drugs, crime suicide). But some people don't have nerves of steel like I seem to have. I have already seen promising lives go the bad way.
In my experience, all you need is a good decent person to support you, to be a friend. And life suddenly looks a lot better. Finding a such person, is not easy.
And lastly, my comments about beating kids. Yes, they should be punished if they do something wrong. They should be yelled at for doing something wrong. How the hell you supposed they learn what is good or wrong? I do not classify it as physical violence. It is punisment.
Example: I knocked over a grill when my dad was just about barbecue. A leather belt was "applied" on my arse. And you know what? From that day on, I was damn careful around grills. As one should be. If my dad would have just told me how bad boy I was. I would have probably koncked down the grill again becuse it would have been funny. And would have agitated my dad.
But beating the **** out of a kid who knocked over a glass of milk is just sick. And serves no good purpose. Roaring like a bear works there. So the kid knows that milk all over the newspaper does not sound good.
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wierd, deranged behaviour... :wtf:
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Firstly i was giving fitness advice, not preaching gospel, :nod:
I''m an advocate of the punish bad, dont just reward good system, My mums an ex staff-sergeant in the Royal Alexandria Medical Corp so dont tell me about getting disciplined hard mate..., I'm only 24 myself i went to one of the worst schools in my borough http://www.dfes.gov.uk/cgi-bin/performancetables/dfe1x1_04.pl?Mode=Z&Code=&School=2094274&Type=&back=&No=209 (http://www.dfes.gov.uk/cgi-bin/performancetables/dfe1x1_04.pl?Mode=Z&Code=&School=2094274&Type=&back=&No=209) i got 9 GCSE's and 5 A-Levels. (back in 98 so imagine the state the school was in then) And you know what i done it because i have more pride in myself than accepting failure as the easy option. I was beaten for messing about i was bullied at school for a few years til i started beating the $h1t out of people first, And i stuill took the time out to study, get a great job and you know why, cos you have to take care of yourself first before other people, put yourself in a situation to be able to proivide, and you will.
This is not a rant, i'm jhust saying most of us have had it tough. Whining solves nothing.
Get over it and do something about it.
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I have three little brothers, and we don't use "physical" punishment... belive me, corperal punishment is a good thing in small doses, they could really do with some, as they ignore all warnings and rules.
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This is why I am against the anti-smacking law in the UK. Not because I intend to use it, my Dad never hit me, but the option was there, that was usually enough to keep me in line.
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I'm the oldest of fouor, My youngest (13) is doing well at school academically but not a violent person, he got bullied because of his skin coloUr, i made him fight back, he did and won it. The bullying stopped. Brother number two is a departmental manager for a major company, (only 21 years old) brother number number one (22) has knocked up a 17 year old girl and owes most family memerbs £££, I myself am still waiting for £12.000.
We were all treated the same way growing up, some people are just cu++s.. (apologies)
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The way i see it, most chavs/yobs/cvriminals are products of lethargic upbringing, Now i am from a single parent family, live in a council house, and have a happy life. Through my own construct.
THe reason i have so much repsect for the law (99%) of the time is because i wasnt taught violence but repsect. I see mums as young as 15 years old round my estate letting toddlers run off into shops with no supervision, This is why societies going to hell on a rocket.......... :hopping: :mad: :hopping: :mad2: :mad:
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This is not a rant, i'm jhust saying most of us have had it tough. Whining solves nothing.
Get over it and do something about it.
Im not sure If you realized that only the first paragraph in my post was referring to your post. In the second part I was commenting about why youth have a hard time... So only 1/3 of the post was about fitness.
Secondly. Im not sure who you mean was whining, but it wasn't me. I'm quite content at my life presently. Not that it really is your business.
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well the go do something/quit whining/get over it argument is valid for those many people who think their insane, probibly from listening to too much emo music, but are really as normal as the next person. for every 10 cutters, theres probibly only one or two with real problems, and the rest are just doing it to look cool or fit into their chosen identity. for the true insane, they might do something, they might get over it, they might quit whining, and for them nothing has really changed. ive known psycho and poser alike, and i can tell the difference. the psychos dont really spend their time whining, there usually either doing alot of things or nothing at all, and they manage to get over things alot, and in the process create other problems. the posers, they usually chose an identity which feeds on negativity (emo or goth for example), or somethimes they actually t6hink they are insane because they were told they were by their peers or parents. its not unusual, especially in poor familys, for kids to be diagnosed with phantom disorders so that the parents can claim their child as disabled and thus claim government assistance on them in order to fatten their wallets while destroying the childs self esteem. also its very common for a teen to accept "crazy" as part of their personality. theres a vast cotrast between the insane and the ones with mild and common issues. telling somone to get over it is a cop-out by society the same as the insane person's saying they cant is a cop-out. society should help the ones with problems as much as the ones with the problems should help themselves, otherwise they tend to become wasted dead weight upon the backs of the tax payers. wouldnt you rather they have their place, and not just some ****hole.
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Some people never say anything about it...
and then they're gone
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Some people never say anything about it...
and then they're gone
that too is a good point. everyones attention is on the wannabes, not on the real nutjobs.
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Too true, and even when a person has several legitimate cuts, they tend to attract attention. About 2 years after getting over being a minor nut-job, I got several parellel cuts jumping over a fence on my forearm. Some fellow students at my school saw it, and they all thought I was suicidal or somthing :doubt:
Now what if somone was actually suicidal in the room, would anybody have noticed?
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... lots of ??? ...
Umm... Not sure what you be saying... :nervous:
But I carefully agree... The actually insane ones never acknowledge they'r crazy. But those who themselves claim to be insane, rarely really are.
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To be honest, If a problem is genuinely that bad then sometimes $h1t happens, theres no way round it, if people get over problems, then thats all good. If they dont for whatever reason and circumstance then its unavoidable not inevitable and thats just the way the world is. My point was trying to give a bit of advice on taking care of fitness, not forcing it down your throat people. :no:
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Umm about the whole cutting up bit . Well how shall I put this I had a hard time growing up from a certaing age...about 10or12 but that didnt push me towards cutting/stabbing/burning and god know wthat other things that end up with "ing" . Also mi parents were and still are fermeli convinced that c hild deserves punisment of a phisical nature if he does something really bad. No talk no nothin just smakc him tell him why you did it then send him to his room. And i agree. the people who use all sort of things to express theyr so called harship are a buch of idiots and retards that are a menace to sociaty and shouldnt be left to walk around. Well most of them anywai.
If they take pleasure in dooing this to themselfs then whose to say they wont take pleasure in dooing it to others?
Also I do beleive its a thing spoiled children do in order to atract even more atention when mommy and daddy actualy let them solve a problem of theyr own.
I'm 22 and despite some really stupid things i did as I child for which I got what I deserved and then some so as not to forget what I put mi parents through I have never ever wanted cu injure miself in any way.
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But then there is a legitimacy to there argument, that cutting themselves makes them feel good. Remember the guy who cut off his own arm that was trapped under a huge boulder? He was recently on the David Blaine thing, the one he failed to complete, life in a fish bowl or summat. anyway, when David asked him about the pain of when his cut off his arm, he described a feeling of euphoria. Extreme case I know but nevertheless people can get pleasure from pain, look at all the BDSM clubs out there. Some people are just masochists.
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Thats "probably"the adrenaline, epinefrin kicking in, and i would probably be relieved to get out from under a boulder after days/hours/also........
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If they take pleasure in dooing this to themselfs then whose to say they wont take pleasure in dooing it to others?
Getting pleasure out of cutting flesh is another matter alltoghter. This is not about some sick fetish. And brains produce hoards of stuff when one gets injured. I think it is likely that some people "get more out of their brains" than others. Thus they get "drugged" by their own brains. I think.
For some young people, self-abuse is an extreme coping mechanism that seems to help relieve stress; for others it's a way to make deep emotional wounds more visible.
Some of these people are truly hurting inside. Perhaps self-abuse is their way of telling it to others. Unless you are a psychologist, I don't think AlphaOne (or anyone else) has the right to judge them like that. Yes we have all gone trought some bad **** during our life. But we don't know what they have endured. If we don't know that, then how can we hope to understand them? If we cant understand them, we cant judge them. I feel sorry for these people. I do not understand, nor do I approve what they are doing to themselves. But I don't think they are insane or dangerous to others.
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Never said they were dangerous. It was just a question i placed for me and for others. Also I have personal experience with such....people if you want who do stuff to theyr own bodyes. Believe me the problem is not as deep as it look for most of the cases but there are those wo really do have emotional scars and psichological scars very deep.
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Going back to what people were saying about parents smacking their kids, such behaviour may well manifest unusual anomalies in some children. But ruling it out is almost certainly more dangerous; there may be more effective psychological technqiues of controlling one's kids, but for most people they are not an option, either because they don't understand them or don't have the resources to implement them. Between that and the alternative of being passive and doing nothing, which will certainly lead to bad results in later life, there is little choice. I don't buy into the assertion that this creates an association of love and violence much; presumably if it were, a larger proportion of us would be a bunch of [more?] twisted sickos. :p From that behaviourist point of view, the more obvious link is that the child associates doing objectionable things with pain and so avoids it in future, which is exactly what we want to convey.
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Never said they were dangerous. It was just a question i placed for me and for others. Also I have personal experience with such....people if you want who do stuff to theyr own bodyes. Believe me the problem is not as deep as it look for most of the cases but there are those wo really do have emotional scars and psichological scars very deep.
I agree that there are a lot of people who don't have problems that do it, but "problems" don't have to be enviromental. Maybe somone is losing faith in their religion, and suddenly it seems like life is meaningless, maybe it's the realization that they've been a jerk all their life, maybe it's cause they realized that all of their "freinds" are just assoisiates and that no one really cares, there can be so many things that can hurt a person that no one else sees.
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mental disorders are usualy set in motion very early in life. severly, repeditively abused and molested children tend to grow into the worst cases (bipolar or schizophrenic). even mild such abuse can throw somone into a lesser more managable disorders such as chronic depression, anxiety, or other such disorders. enviromental instibilitys such as fighting or devorced parents, being moved around alot, being bullied, ect. these usually lead to the forming of a negative identity in teens, which leads to the emo/goth thing. of course peopl in theese 3 levels may commit acts of cutting and such, but because theres alot more emos than schizos your gonna view that as your average cutter. the living environment on theese 3 levels of mindjobs effects each differently. the most severe can not function in the world at all without years of treatment and even then their chances for a normal life are not good. usually they end up on assistance and seldom hold a job. the ones in the middle can function in sosciety, and unless there suicidal theres no reason to institutionalise them, they usually get stuck on therapy and pills, but can lead a normal but not perfect life. as for the emogoths, well, theres always boot camp.
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This is why I am against the anti-smacking law in the UK. Not because I intend to use it, my Dad never hit me, but the option was there, that was usually enough to keep me in line.
Thats basicly the way I was younger, I knew what would happen if I did mis-behave, so I never got many spankings. :lol: My bro was a different story tho.
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Remember that everyone (everyone) has one or two mental "disorders" that when diagnosed in larger numbers means your a crazy person. But one or two is normal. We've all got our weird little behaviours that aren't really "normal" in the unified social convention sense but everyone does something unusual. One of my less nutty ones involves locking the doors on my car, walking away maybe 10 seconds, turning around because I don't feel comfortable that I've actually locked it, find that it's locked as usual and go away. It's probably an outrageously funny thing to watch if you've seen me do it more than one time and I know I'm note alone because I've seen lots of people do it...but its almost totally irrational because I already locked it but I don't feel comfortable unless I go back and check it. In another case...I find some people love to run their hands across walls...kids do it all the time but I'm talking university students and grown adults. I see it all the time. Its irrational...no need to run your fingers across every wall that you walk past but they do it if its within reach.
SO...take that into context. People who do the self inflicted wounds are really no different. They may be quite normally adjusted outwardly but their coping mechanism for strain and stress involves this behavior. Its irrational like the other ones...much moreso...as it has a damaging component to it but its really quite the same sort of thing. It doesn't make them any more crazy than me with my lock checking or the people who run their hands across the walls (and various other things). But to go to this level...they have an external stressor...that needs to be dealt with.
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Some people do heroin instead, I'd say that's just about as damaging, as a matter of fact, there was an ammusing occurance involving somone dropping a needle in the middle of class, but that's beside the pint
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I really couldn't give a rats ass what psichologists say. Tehy are utterly overrated nerds and their field consists of lot and lot of tapping in the dark.
Each person is a specific universe and there are very few things you can say in general. Besides, they tend to allways find something wrong with you - to the meverything is a disorder.... Yeah...we don'z have bastards, killers and rapists anymore - tehy are all poor sick people.... meh.
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I agree TMan I cant believe some of the stuff some phichologist put out there. I mean if it were up to them criminal mass murderers etc would go into a sanatorium with nurses taking care of them instead of hard years in prison or a death penalty. That is why I am against the fact that most countryes don have the death penalties installed inclueding mi own. I mean there is nothing more frightening to someone then the prospect of death in prison.
And some of the people now in jails in mi country could sure use a death penalty.
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One of my less nutty ones involves locking the doors on my car, walking away maybe 10 seconds, turning around because I don't feel comfortable that I've actually locked it, find that it's locked as usual and go away.
Thats quite common actually. I have a problem with my house. I sometimes come back from 10 meters away to check I really locked it properly. Now I have learned to spend a minute by the door pulling and kicking the door to make sure it's securely locked so that I can leave in peace without running back to the door. Fortunatley I live in a remote location so no one can see me do it. :nervous:
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i do that too! But then agin i dont care who sees me i dont pay much attention to the neoghbours.
The same goes with the car.
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One of my less nutty ones involves locking the doors on my car, walking away maybe 10 seconds, turning around because I don't feel comfortable that I've actually locked it, find that it's locked as usual and go away.
You think that's bad? I check every door - including the boot - and 5 minutes later still have an urge to go back and check it.
And that's at work, in the middle of nowhere, where to only other building in about a mile is a football stadium (i.e. empty). And usually next to my car, more or less, is a TVR-sans-roof, so it's neither the easiest nor most tempting target.....
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I have an obsession with making sure my venetian blinds aren't twisted. Even if it's pitch dark outside, all the slats have to go in the same direction.... :nervous:
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Its just human nature to protect our stuff, and It is the perfect norm for males to treasure a car, i still hoard my mountain biike from when i was 18, and Deny my lil bro (13 yrs old) access to it because i dont want it to end up scratched. 8)
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Umm regarding the whole bike stuff...well....I agree the little bastards tend to scratch them and well ript them apart. altough mi bor is 20..does this sound stupid??
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21-20,........ its still young, Dont worry about it. Kick his ass ;)
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I've listened through all the opinions and stories here.
Lets see... The best way to put it is: You never know the road someone else has traveled down.
I understand it to be human nature to judge people on their own experiences, but this is one of the biggest flaws of society today. A lack of understanding.
I've seen a few sides of the fence of society in my time. The biggest thing I've found is that everyone is so burdened with their own problems, they complain and solve, then move on. They all share the fundamental issue that most of the time they all have very similar problems. They have some similar causes or basic needs.
Try not to ever judge someone else based on a life that hasn't been the same. It is true people need support, help, and assitance. But don't condemn someone who hasn't had that all there life.
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Thats quite common actually. I have a problem with my house. I sometimes come back from 10 meters away to check I really locked it properly. Now I have learned to spend a minute by the door pulling and kicking the door to make sure it's securely locked so that I can leave in peace without running back to the door. Fortunatley I live in a remote location so no one can see me do it. :nervous:
Not a problem with the house (Doors lock themselves) but when I do it with the car I just open the door and rummage around in the glove compartment before walking away again. Given that I generally have some sort of sweeties in the glove compartment I'm probably rewarding obsessive compulsive behavior actually. :)
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I pat and put my hands into my pockets at least once every 10 minutes when I'm outside, checking if I still have my keys, wallets, handphone and my MP3 player (which is really stupid, because I'm usually listening to my MP3 Player) I also feel really uncomfortable whenever I leave the house, for the same reason as Prophet
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i clean glasses before i drink out of them. i almost threw up once when i forgot and i got to the bottom of the glass and there was stuff there. havent forgotten since.
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Really want quirks? I'm one ****ed up individual right here :D
I also can't go into a bar/pub/cafe/restaurant/etc and sit anywhere except with my back to a/the wall without feeling slightly uncomfortable.
I never go to sleep without closing my cupboard (walk in type thing) door.
I scratch my nose impulsively every since I saw a picture of Prosinecki doing it in Euro 96 (know, I don't know why....). Typing this has made it itchy.
In fact, whenever I'm thinking/working I have a whole range of quirks which basically revolve around messing up my head in some way, usually resulting in my looking like I've been dragged through several hedges and attacked by an errant tornado or angry bald midget just before arriving home.
I also have a twitchy left leg, and constantly am biting off the little nudge of skin at the top of my lip without realising it. Which is really annoying.
If i'm playing football, I always check the contents of my kitbag at least 3 times; the night before, in the morning before leaving the house, and just after slinging it in the boot.
I post here.
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Quirks eh... LoL.
I throw random words into conversations to see what people do.
I occasionally walk into walls intentionally.
I tap poles and posts as I walk past them with my knuckles.
I post here. (TM)
Ed: ;)
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Really want quirks? I'm one ****ed up individual right here :D
I post here.
All that stuff, Its normal as the day is long, Attention to detail is nothing near OCD, Biting a lip, its like chewing pencils and sitting with your back to a wall in a pub is common sense :D
Posting here though,...... You utter nutbag, How could you !! Why i oughtta :snipe: !!!!
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Remember that everyone (everyone) has one or two mental "disorders" that when diagnosed in larger numbers means your a crazy person. But one or two is normal. We've all got our weird little behaviours that aren't really "normal" in the unified social convention sense but everyone does something unusual. One of my less nutty ones involves locking the doors on my car, walking away maybe 10 seconds, turning around because I don't feel comfortable that I've actually locked it, find that it's locked as usual and go away. It's probably an outrageously funny thing to watch if you've seen me do it more than one time and I know I'm note alone because I've seen lots of people do it...but its almost totally irrational because I already locked it but I don't feel comfortable unless I go back and check it. In another case...I find some people love to run their hands across walls...kids do it all the time but I'm talking university students and grown adults. I see it all the time. Its irrational...no need to run your fingers across every wall that you walk past but they do it if its within reach.
Reading this makes me realize what I dislike about psychology. Just because something isn't immediately rational, doesn't necessarily make it abnormal or wierd at all. It's essentially diagnosing everyone who believes in a religion or holds some ideal that can't be proven as having a mental illness.
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- I collect knives, I have ~10 (I keep losing the one I actually use on a regular basis (a Delica model 3))
- I have to resist punching people (literally) who even just say "Blue Man Group", sing "The Internet is for Porn" or that one beer song (the latter two only apply if they're some innocent balless soul)
- I like classical music
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Reading this makes me realize what I dislike about psychology. Just because something isn't immediately rational, doesn't necessarily make it abnormal or wierd at all. It's essentially diagnosing everyone who believes in a religion or holds some ideal that can't be proven as having a mental illness.
Don't blame psychology. Blame nature for condemning humans to the tragicomic desire for a reality that isn't.
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psycology not only treats the insane people they also study the mind. as with anyone who does reserch they require money, hence the rise in the number of mental disorders. if you can sell pills to rich people who are afraid of germs, snakes , and planes they can fund their research. little quirks and eccentricities are not mental disorders. the cause may be psycological, but the results arent really a disturbance to the persons life, a mere occasional annoyance at best. personally i think psycology and healthcare in general would be better off if they werent regulated by capitolism and instead was made a service provided by the state. it would certainly do away with the illness fabrication trend thats been going around.
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Really want quirks? I'm one ****ed up individual right here :D
I also can't go into a bar/pub/cafe/restaurant/etc and sit anywhere except with my back to a/the wall without feeling slightly uncomfortable.
I never go to sleep without closing my cupboard (walk in type thing) door.
I scratch my nose impulsively every since I saw a picture of Prosinecki doing it in Euro 96 (know, I don't know why....). Typing this has made it itchy.
In fact, whenever I'm thinking/working I have a whole range of quirks which basically revolve around messing up my head in some way, usually resulting in my looking like I've been dragged through several hedges and attacked by an errant tornado or angry bald midget just before arriving home.
I also have a twitchy left leg, and constantly am biting off the little nudge of skin at the top of my lip without realising it. Which is really annoying.
If i'm playing football, I always check the contents of my kitbag at least 3 times; the night before, in the morning before leaving the house, and just after slinging it in the boot.
I post here.
I bite my fingernails and pick my nose.
I like to tap people from behind on their left shoulder when passing right, so they turn around and look confised who tapped them.
I take half an hour a day just imagining I'm working out, hoping that subconsious suggestion will do the trick.
I don't drink or smoke, I don't like footbal or large ild parties (Yeah, I'm wierd)
I love classical music (and am damn proud of it)
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I take half an hour a day just imagining I'm working out, hoping that subconsious suggestion will do the trick.
you're not far off, actually; http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article354803.ece
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It sounds like almost everyone here has some minor anxiety disorder -- repetitive behaviors. I consider that quite normal because by nature everyone experiences stress, more or less, no matter how old you are, where and what you're doing.
I am just curious, has anyone had unwanted obsessive thoughts?
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It sounds like almost everyone here has some minor anxiety disorder -- repetitive behaviors. I consider that quite normal because by nature everyone experiences stress, more or less, no matter how old you are, where and what you're doing.
I am just curious, has anyone had unwanted obsessive thoughts?
Define unwanted and obsessive?
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A compulsion in other words, An annatural urge to do something you cant get rid off. I feel like that round my ex-girldfriends
milf mother....
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Unwanted = Persistent, unwelcome thoughts or images
Obsessive = The urgent need to engage in certain rituals
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Sharon cannot sit on a train with her back facing in the direction of travel. Apparently, this is quite a common quirk.
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I prefer not to sit backwards, but i can tolerate it. I see where sharon? is coming from. Its like some people feel teh urge to sit in the front of a minicab becasue they "dont like sitting on their own :( " :lol:
The only one i can think of for me is probably window seats, i love em, be it planes trains or boats, oh yeah i love playing with my elctric windows while im waiting at lights, apart from that, not much weord stuff.
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Unwanted = Persistent, unwelcome thoughts or images
Obsessive = The urgent need to engage in certain rituals
Probably, then.
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It sounds like almost everyone here has some minor anxiety disorder -- repetitive behaviors. I consider that quite normal because by nature everyone experiences stress, more or less, no matter how old you are, where and what you're doing.
We're Internet Males. Did you except us to be completely normal individuals? hahahahahahhaaahhaha
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It sounds like almost everyone here has some minor anxiety disorder -- repetitive behaviors. I consider that quite normal because by nature everyone experiences stress, more or less, no matter how old you are, where and what you're doing.
I am just curious, has anyone had unwanted obsessive thoughts?
yes, i think im in love with my cat. i ant stop thinking about him hes so cute and fluffy :D
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:wtf: cat = :snipe:
Dog = a1 supar !!
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[teal'c]
col. dekker
you have insulted my cat's honor
prepare to be hunted[/teal'c]
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<fake o'neal voice> Ummm Teal'c leave dekker alone and go pick on Alphaones Bunny, It called your cat GAY!!</fake o'neal voice>
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dogs suck.
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I'm bi- ;7 I like both dogs and cats
(no, not really ::))
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Shetland Sheepdog ftw. Physical cuddly-ness of a cat, attitude of a dog. If it could purr it would be The Perfect PetTM.
(Pun not intended. But appreciated anyways. :p )
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Lets see,
I have a one track mind, good luck in reaching me if I'm thinking about weather.(http://www.talkweather.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wave.gif)
I am very hard at listening, once again as above, if I don't want to hear you, you don't exist
I hate having to weed thru people when at the mall, it anoys me just about as much as when the person's butt is so big it blocks the isle so you can get around e'm
I drive the speed limit, even tho my car is very fast. :eek2:
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It sounds like almost everyone here has some minor anxiety disorder -- repetitive behaviors. I consider that quite normal because by nature everyone experiences stress, more or less, no matter how old you are, where and what you're doing.
We're Internet Males. Did you except us to be completely normal individuals? hahahahahahhaaahhaha
Didn't think you are that different from most of the people online :P
I'm bi- ;7 I like both dogs and cats
(no, not really ::))
I hope you and those two animals will live in peace :D
Shetland Sheepdog ftw. Physical cuddly-ness of a cat, attitude of a dog. If it could purr it would be The Perfect PetTM.
(Pun not intended. But appreciated anyways. :p )
Cool hybrid!
Lets see,
I have a one track mind, good luck in reaching me if I'm thinking about weather.(http://www.talkweather.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wave.gif)
I am very hard at listening, once again as above, if I don't want to hear you, you don't exist
I hate having to weed thru people when at the mall, it anoys me just about as much as when the person's butt is so big it blocks the isle so you can get around e'm
I drive the speed limit, even tho my car is very fast. :eek2:
At least you do not hurt yourself or other people. Sounds like your obsession with the weather bring you serenity ;)
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Lets see,
I have a one track mind, good luck in reaching me if I'm thinking about weather.(http://www.talkweather.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wave.gif)
I am very hard at listening, once again as above, if I don't want to hear you, you don't exist
I hate having to weed thru people when at the mall, it anoys me just about as much as when the person's butt is so big it blocks the isle so you can get around e'm
I drive the speed limit, even tho my car is very fast. :eek2:
At least you do not hurt yourself or other people. Sounds like your obsession with the weather bring you serenity ;)
Well, umm, not yet anyways. :nervous:
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At least you do not hurt yourself or other people. Sounds like your obsession with the weather bring you serenity ;)
hey dont diss sadomasichists :D
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At least you do not hurt yourself or other people. Sounds like your obsession with the weather bring you serenity ;)
hey dont diss sadomasichists :D
Yeah, why take away their fun................
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hey dont diss sadomasichists :D
I thought they liked that.
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hey dont diss sadomasichists :D
I thought they liked that.
Only if they get to do it to themselves, I guess.
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im thinking abotu taking up bsdm, but its no fun without a partner. somone hast to be there to unlock the chains and its so hard to cause yourself pain when your in chains :D
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im thinking abotu taking up bsdm, but its no fun without a partner. somone hast to be there to unlock the chains and its so hard to cause yourself pain when your in chains :D
Well, don't expect any offers from here, Captain Whiplash.
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i'm a masochist until the scars start to show up :p
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I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself.
I wish my pizza was emo so it would cut itself.
Actually, come to think of it, I wish my homeowork was addicted to masturbation so it would do itself.
A person who I was friends with for a while used to be on antidepressants. She never really talked about it much though.
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emos are really just goths with bad hair
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A person who I was friends with for a while used to be on antidepressants. She never really talked about it much though.
Probably depressed about it.
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Urgh, terrible.