[Nuke]

i have to agree with that. but then again if i took a year off, id be on the street begging for quarters. im fortunate to have a job that allows me to be a little bit crazy. i make my own hours, have to communicate with only a few people, and im on a commission so what i make is proportional to the effort i put into it. my mother, whos a diagnosed schizophrenic who draws disability and social security isnt able to own anything, make money, own a car, or live in a semi descent apartment (at least if i wasnt here to fork over half the rent). then its bad for everyone else cause theyre taxes go up to support the under-utilised insane population. people complain about it and funding gets cut and other programs (like mandatory community service for people on assistance) get implemented and it tends to make matters worse. its why we still have bums on the street, they could get on welfare, but they make them jump through so many hoops they would rather stay where theyre at. if you have a job the system pretty much considers you not-crazy and wont give you any insurance to buy happy pills with or any other support. people on the system get quack doctors who love jumping to conclusions (sorta like a wannabe computer geek telling you you need a new hard drive, when a format will do). so its hard to get on the system and once your on its hard to get off.

[Colonol Dekker]

If I feel like hurting myself I just go run around my neighborhood. The more I run, the more it starts hurting (muscles, "tired", etc.)

Of course, instead of scars, the side effect is I get into real good shape which boosts my self esteem anyway...

Actually thats not quite true, The pain is Lactic acid which builds up due to improper preperation.
I do three X four mile jogs a week, i spend 5 mins jogging "gently" then you gotta stretch> calves, thighs, shoulders, neck, jog till you ache slightly, sprint for say 50 metres, then break back into a jog, when you catch your breath, break into a sprint for another 50 metres. keep it up till your 2 miles out, turn arouond do the same til you get home. Then !!!STRETCH!! and do some cool down exercises, 15 press-ups + 25 sit-ups is ok for a beginner, more experienced shouls go for at least 45 press-ups and 60 sit-ups in a ten minute cool down period. Thats my regime.

heres a polan i found in about 5 secs through google.
http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_100/116_fitness_tip.html
(covers the basics, but not comprehensive enough for my liking)

[Prophet]

Dekker, I think he knows that and you missed the point. I too sometimes skip the stretching and preparation and just run in to the sunset. And then the next day I do the stretching because it hurts like hell. Because the hurt makes me feel that I really have muscles, and that I have done something good to those muscles. Thats important to me because I'm a lazy bastard feeling the actual results of doing something productive does wonders for my low self esteem.

The sad fact is that youth has to put incredible amount of effort to thrive in modern society. To get education and job, and somehow cover the enermous living expenses. Thats not easy. Ofcourse most people in these boards have iq of a rocket engineer and have no problem getting good grades and a highpaying job. But some people do not enjoy being under constant stress. Having to prove your worth regulary in exams. Or going around begging for a job. The stress builds up, it's depressing. I have not been a very cheerful person for the past 10 years. Quite frankly, life pisses me off. Life is hard. But as I said earlier, I'm a lazy bastard so I haven't done anything about it, neither good (working like hell day and night) or bad (cutting my self, drugs, crime suicide). But some people don't have nerves of steel like I seem to have. I have already seen promising lives go the bad way.
In my experience, all you need is a good decent person to support you, to be a friend. And life suddenly looks a lot better. Finding a such person, is not easy.

And lastly, my comments about beating kids. Yes, they should be punished if they do something wrong. They should be yelled at for doing something wrong. How the hell you supposed they learn what is good or wrong? I do not classify it as physical violence. It is punisment.
Example: I knocked over a grill when my dad was just about barbecue. A leather belt was "applied" on my arse. And you know what? From that day on, I was damn careful around grills. As one should be. If my dad would have just told me how bad boy I was. I would have probably koncked down the grill again becuse it would have been funny. And would have agitated my dad.
But beating the **** out of a kid who knocked over a glass of milk is just sick. And serves no good purpose. Roaring like a bear works there. So the kid knows that milk all over the newspaper does not sound good.

[TrashMan]

wierd, deranged behaviour...

[Colonol Dekker]

Firstly i was giving fitness advice, not preaching gospel, 

I''m an advocate of the punish bad, dont just reward good system, My mums an ex staff-sergeant in the Royal Alexandria Medical Corp so dont tell me about getting disciplined hard mate..., I'm only 24 myself i went to one of the worst schools in my borough http://www.dfes.gov.uk/cgi-bin/performancetables/dfe1x1_04.pl?Mode=Z&Code=&School=2094274&Type=&back=&No=209 i got 9 GCSE's and 5 A-Levels. (back in 98 so imagine the state the school was in then) And you know what i done it because i have more pride in myself than accepting failure as the easy option. I was beaten for messing about i was bullied at school for a few years til i started beating the $h1t out of people first, And i stuill took the time out to study, get a great job and you know why, cos you have to take care of yourself first before other people, put yourself in a situation to be able to proivide, and you will.

This is not a rant, i'm jhust saying most of us have had it tough. Whining solves nothing.
Get over it and do something about it.

[Mars]

I have three little brothers, and we don't use "physical" punishment... belive me, corperal punishment is a good thing in small doses, they could really do with some, as they ignore all warnings and rules.

[Flipside]

This is why I am against the anti-smacking law in the UK. Not because I intend to use it, my Dad never hit me, but the option was there, that was usually enough to keep me in line.

[Colonol Dekker]

I'm the oldest of fouor, My youngest (13) is doing well at school academically but not a violent person, he got bullied because of his skin coloUr, i made him fight back, he did and won it. The bullying stopped. Brother number two is a departmental manager for a major company, (only 21 years old) brother number number one (22) has knocked up a 17 year old girl and owes most family memerbs £££, I myself am still waiting for £12.000.
We were all treated the same way growing up, some people are just cu++s..  (apologies)

 

The way i see it, most chavs/yobs/cvriminals are products of lethargic upbringing, Now i am from a single parent family, live in a council house, and have a happy life. Through my own construct.

THe reason i have so much repsect for the law (99%) of the time is because i wasnt  taught violence but repsect. I see mums as young as 15 years old round my estate letting toddlers run off into shops with no supervision, This is why societies going to hell on a rocket..........

[Prophet]

This is not a rant, i'm jhust saying most of us have had it tough. Whining solves nothing.
Get over it and do something about it.

Im not sure If you realized that only the first paragraph in my post was referring to your post. In the second part I was commenting about why youth have a hard time... So only 1/3 of the post was about fitness.
Secondly. Im not sure who you mean was whining, but it wasn't me. I'm quite content at my life presently. Not that it really is your business.

[Nuke]

well the go do something/quit whining/get over it argument is valid for those many people who think their insane, probibly from listening to too much emo music, but are really as normal as the next person. for every 10 cutters, theres probibly only one or two with real problems, and the rest are just doing it to look cool or fit into their chosen identity. for the true insane, they might do something, they might get over it, they might quit whining, and for them nothing has really changed. ive known psycho and poser alike, and i can tell the difference. the psychos dont really spend their time whining, there usually either doing of things or nothing at all, and they manage to get over things , and in the process create other problems. the posers, they usually chose an identity which feeds on negativity (emo or goth for example), or somethimes they actually t6hink they are insane because they were told they were by their peers or parents. its not unusual, especially in poor familys, for kids to be diagnosed with phantom disorders so that the parents can claim their child as disabled and thus claim government assistance on them in order to fatten their wallets while destroying the childs self esteem.  also its very common for a teen to accept "crazy" as part of their personality. theres a vast cotrast between the insane and the ones with mild and common issues. telling somone to get over it is a cop-out by society the same as the insane person's saying they cant is a cop-out. society should help the ones with problems as much as the ones with the problems should help themselves, otherwise they tend to become wasted dead weight upon the backs of the tax payers. wouldnt you rather they have their place, and not just some ****hole.

[Mars]

Some people never say anything about it...

and then they're gone

[Nuke]

Some people never say anything about it...

and then they're gone

that too is a good point. everyones attention is on the wannabes, not on the real nutjobs.

[Mars]

Too true, and even when a person has several legitimate cuts, they tend to attract attention. About 2 years after getting over being a minor nut-job, I got several parellel cuts jumping over a fence on my forearm. Some fellow students at my school saw it, and they all thought I was suicidal or somthing 

Now what if somone was actually suicidal in the room, would anybody have noticed?

[Prophet]

... lots of ??? ...

Umm... Not sure what you be saying...
But I carefully agree... The actually insane ones never acknowledge they'r crazy. But those who themselves claim to be insane, rarely really are.

[Colonol Dekker]

To be honest, If a problem is genuinely that bad then sometimes $h1t happens, theres no way round it, if people get over problems, then thats all good. If they dont for whatever reason and circumstance then its unavoidable not inevitable and thats just the way the world is. My point was trying to give a bit of advice on taking care of fitness, not forcing it down your throat people.

[AlphaOne]

Umm about the whole cutting up bit . Well how shall I put this I had a hard time growing up from a certaing age...about 10or12 but that didnt push me towards cutting/stabbing/burning and god know wthat other things that end up with "ing" . Also mi parents were and still are fermeli convinced that c hild deserves punisment of a phisical nature if he does something really bad. No talk no nothin just smakc him tell him why you did it then send him to his room. And i agree. the people who use all sort of things to express theyr so called harship are a buch of idiots and retards that are a menace to sociaty and shouldnt be left to walk around. Well most of them anywai.

If they take pleasure in dooing this to themselfs then whose to say they wont take pleasure in dooing it to others?

Also I do beleive its a thing spoiled children do in order to atract even more atention when mommy and daddy actualy let them solve a problem of theyr own.

I'm 22 and despite some really stupid things i did as I child for which I got what I deserved and then some so as not to forget what I put mi parents through I have never ever wanted cu injure miself in any way.

[Wobble73]

But then there is a legitimacy to there argument, that cutting themselves makes them feel good. Remember the guy who cut off his own arm that was trapped under a huge boulder? He was recently on the David Blaine thing, the one he failed to complete, life in a fish bowl or summat. anyway, when David asked him about the pain of when his cut off his arm, he described a feeling of euphoria. Extreme case I know but nevertheless people can get pleasure from pain, look at all the BDSM clubs out there. Some people are just masochists.

[Colonol Dekker]

Thats "probably"the adrenaline, epinefrin kicking in, and i would probably be relieved to get out from under a boulder after days/hours/also........

[Prophet]

If they take pleasure in dooing this to themselfs then whose to say they wont take pleasure in dooing it to others?

Getting pleasure out of cutting flesh is another matter alltoghter. This is not about some sick fetish. And brains produce hoards of stuff when one gets injured. I think it is likely that some people "get more out of their brains" than others. Thus they get "drugged" by their own brains. I think.

For some young people, self-abuse is an extreme coping mechanism that seems to help relieve stress; for others it's a way to make deep emotional wounds more visible.

Some of these people are truly hurting inside. Perhaps self-abuse is their way of telling it to others. Unless you are a psychologist, I don't think AlphaOne (or anyone else) has the right to judge them like that. Yes we have all gone trought some bad **** during our life. But we don't know what they have endured. If we don't know that, then how can we hope to understand them? If we cant understand them, we cant judge them. I feel sorry for these people. I do not understand, nor do I approve what they are doing to themselves. But I don't think they are insane or dangerous to others.

[AlphaOne]

Never said they were dangerous. It was just a question i placed for me and for others. Also I have personal experience with such....people if you want  who do stuff to theyr own bodyes. Believe me the problem is not as deep as it look for most of the cases but there are those wo really do have emotional scars and psichological scars very deep.