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Title: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Kazan on June 29, 2006, 10:30:28 am
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2133738

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ITTLE ROCK, Ark. Jun 29, 2006 (AP)— The Arkansas Supreme Court on Thursday upheld a lower court's ruling that a policy banning homosexuals from becoming foster parents is unconstitutional.

The high court said no connection exists between a foster child's well-being and the sexual orientation of that child's foster parents.

"There is no correlation between the health, welfare and safety of foster children and the blanket exclusion of any individual who is a homosexual or who resides in a household with a homosexual," Associate Justice Donald Corbin wrote in the opinion.

The Arkansas Department of Health and Human Services had appealed a 2004 decision by Pulaski County Circuit Court Judge Tim Fox, who said the Child Welfare Agency Review Board could not bar homosexuals from becoming foster parents.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mefustae on June 29, 2006, 10:32:20 am
Damn. Anti-Gitmo rulings, shooting down anti-Gay rulings... US Supreme Courts are on a roll tonight! :p
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: aldo_14 on June 29, 2006, 10:35:21 am
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"There is no correlation between the health, welfare and safety of foster children and the blanket exclusion of any individual who is a homosexual or who resides in a household with a homosexual," Associate Justice Donald Corbin wrote in the opinion.

I think that's all you need to say, really.  If there was some known disadvantage to child welfare - greater than being stuck in an orphanage for their childhood - then there's an arguement.  But there's not.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Flipside on June 29, 2006, 10:38:08 am
If anything, Gay couples would be more scared of their child growing up Gay, because Homophobes will try to use that as 'proof' of them raising gay children. Not that it would matter if the kid did happen to be Gay with Gay parents, their's another name for people that do something about that, and nobody likes paedophiles.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: NGTM-1R on June 29, 2006, 11:49:30 am
Actually, I'd think they'd fear it more because it's arguably proof that being gay is environmental and not biological...
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Ford Prefect on June 29, 2006, 12:03:43 pm
Anyone making that argument still has to deal with the fact that homosexuality is not exclusively human.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: aldo_14 on June 29, 2006, 12:10:46 pm
More importantly, they have to justify why it's any of their ****ing business what sexuality a person is.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Kazan on June 29, 2006, 12:44:48 pm
More importantly, they have to justify why it's any of their ****ing business what sexuality a person is.

QFT
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Turambar on June 29, 2006, 01:05:52 pm
this is great, 2 points for freedom today.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Nuke on June 30, 2006, 02:55:35 am
wow, a reason not to nuke the south.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mars on June 30, 2006, 03:10:55 am
Anyone making that argument still has to deal with the fact that homosexuality is not exclusively human.

Last time I went to the Zoo, 2 lions, doing it right in front of the window

Yeah, I'd say it's natural.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: aldo_14 on June 30, 2006, 03:13:29 am
Anyone making that argument still has to deal with the fact that homosexuality is not exclusively human.

Last time I went to the Zoo, 2 lions, doing it right in front of the window

Yeah, I'd say it's natural.

(http://www.ilpopolodelblues.com/img2/lug05/rec/aberfeldy-young-forever.jpg) (http://www.myspace.com/aberfeldytheband)
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mars on June 30, 2006, 03:14:48 am
I meant male lions, but that works too...

Now I know why you have 20,000
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2006, 03:23:41 am
Arkansas!? WOW! didn't see that one comeing!
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mars on June 30, 2006, 03:33:22 am
You know that the whole racist south thing is a stereotype, don't you?
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mefustae on June 30, 2006, 03:43:52 am
Now, now, they are not racist. They may act like bigoted, fundi pricks, but they are sure as sugar not racist.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2006, 03:49:03 am
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/2004_US_elections_map_electoral_votes.png)

so you are saying Arkansas, or the south in general doesn't have a strong conservivtive bend to it's politics?
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Mefustae on June 30, 2006, 03:50:43 am
You're going to have to elaborate on that little picture there, my friend. Not quite catching your drift.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mars on June 30, 2006, 03:52:25 am
In general they are racist, but that doesn't mean all of them are, just like most Americans are stupid, most Europeans are full of themselves, and most Aussie's are rednecks, the thing is most generalizations about people get skewed, just like all of the ones above already are, and then people start substituting most with all. Some categorization is necessary, but you can't just classify everyone in an area like that. And I'm not saying a lot of people in the South aren't fundi-zombies, but in the end, you need to remember that there are human beings down there... somewhere.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: vyper on June 30, 2006, 04:04:45 am
I'm hurt you never came up with a stereotype for the Brits there...
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2006, 04:13:52 am
you don't expect left wing politics to come from a right wing state :wtf:
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Mefustae on June 30, 2006, 04:14:37 am
In general they are racist, but that doesn't mean all of them are, just like most Americans are stupid, most Europeans are full of themselves, and most Aussie's are rednecks, the thing is most generalizations about people get skewed, just like all of the ones above already are, and then people start substituting most with all. Some categorization is necessary, but you can't just classify everyone in an area like that. And I'm not saying a lot of people in the South aren't fundi-zombies, but in the end, you need to remember that there are human beings down there... somewhere.
Oh please, it was just a bit of harmless fun. Nobody in their right mind actually thinks a stereotype genuinely portrays the tenets of an entire population. Sure, there are stereotypes that are close to ringing true, like that Brits survive on Tea and Tea alone [c'mon, you've got water-boilers and tea-makers in your Main Battle-Tanks for chrissakes!], but usually they're modelled after only a small niche of a given people. It's just an easy way to take the piss out of a general area, and i'll thank you to refrain from insulting our intelligence by giving us the whole 'stereotypes don't represent everyone, y'know' speech. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: aldo_14 on June 30, 2006, 04:26:38 am
Most Aussies are rednecks?  Where does that come from?

Brits do survive on tea and tea alone, though :D
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Mefustae on June 30, 2006, 06:47:33 am
Most Aussies are rednecks?  Where does that come from?
I believe he means 'bogans', essentially the Australian "equivalent" to an American Redneck, with stupid accents and a rural stereotype, although minus the whole dim-witted, inbred, fundi tendancies of the American breed.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: karajorma on June 30, 2006, 07:32:25 am
I'm hurt you never came up with a stereotype for the Brits there...

He mentioned Europeans. Are you from UKIP or something? :p
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: aldo_14 on June 30, 2006, 07:38:34 am
I think he is, Kara.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: vyper on June 30, 2006, 08:17:47 am
I'm hurt you never came up with a stereotype for the Brits there...

He mentioned Europeans. Are you from UKIP or something? :p

You can't honestly believe that covers it...
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: Kazan on June 30, 2006, 08:18:37 am
politically speaking arkansas is north of missouri - it's almost like missouri and arkansas traded places physically
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: karajorma on June 30, 2006, 06:02:21 pm
He mentioned Europeans. Are you from UKIP or something? :p

You can't honestly believe that covers it...

The UK is geographically in Europe. You're a European. What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: vyper on June 30, 2006, 06:35:58 pm
... but culturally? You can't say we fall into the same personality stereotype as mainland Europe?
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: aldo_14 on June 30, 2006, 06:55:47 pm
... but culturally? You can't say we fall into the same personality stereotype as mainland Europe?

No more or less than the French, Germans, Italians......
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2006, 08:45:58 pm
actualy I've noticed consiterable diference between UKers and the other europeans from my experiences.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Descenterace on July 01, 2006, 05:01:50 pm
The appropriate stereotype for us Brits is that we complain about damn near anything but we'll put up with it anyway.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: aldo_14 on July 01, 2006, 05:17:04 pm
actualy I've noticed consiterable diference between UKers and the other europeans from my experiences.

There are considerable differences between pretty much everyone.  It's probably just a bit more obvious because for the rest of europe, English is a second language (which in itself shows the patheticness of British foreign language teaching) which thus means theres (I would imagine) a bit more standardized 'expression' and perhaps a wee bit of obfuscation of those cultural differences as a result.  I think.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: karajorma on July 02, 2006, 02:43:31 am
actualy I've noticed consiterable diference between UKers and the other europeans from my experiences.

Wouldn't you say that there was a similar level of cultural difference between a native of New York and Alabama? Yet both were covered by the American stereotype.
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutio
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 02, 2006, 02:55:06 am
I'm hurt you never came up with a stereotype for the Brits there...

He mentioned Europeans. Are you from UKIP or something? :p

You can't honestly believe that covers it...

I like the irony of complaining that a stereotype isn't broad enough...
Title: Re: Arkansas Supreme Court: Banning gays from being foster parents=unconstitutional
Post by: Bobboau on July 02, 2006, 11:16:58 am
I was just saying the brits,er english... whatever term you want that would apply to the lot of you, have always stood out more from the rest of europe, IMO. you seem... less  socalistic, less politicaly corect. sort of like, and try not to take this as an insult, half way between the US and the rest of europe.