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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazan on August 17, 2006, 11:47:58 am
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Take that fascist ****s!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit.ap/index.html
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I thought everyone just assumed that their conversation was being recorded
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eh, who cares
youre not planning on blowing stuff up/transfering drugs it doesn matter
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are you freaking daft?!
"oh it's ok if they wiretapp you since you're not going to do anything wrong".... are you freaking stupid...... zomg....
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In a way, I don't think this is particularly newsworthy. Everyone knew it would be, everyone knew it was.
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are you freaking daft?!
"oh it's ok if they wiretapp you since you're not going to do anything wrong".... are you freaking stupid...... zomg....
honestly, i dont give a **** if they listen to me talk on the phone, theyll be more bored than I am with it. I would only worry about it if i were about to do somthing on a grand scale of ****up
and youre really gonna have to quit asking me if im stupid, isnt that like the 10th time in recent memory, gettin old :p
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don't act it, and I won't ask it
just becuase you don't understand how them warrantlessly listening in on you hurt you doesn't mean you are not harmed*
it is a violation of our rights, and a violation of the constitution (not to mention the FISA act which was CREATED specifically to stop this kinda ****)
* fixed.. extraneous word left in during revision that changed meaning of the sentance
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ok so if its not hurting me, how am i harmed?
/me is actually interested, not just being an ass
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yay! there's still some good left in this country, and its still in a position to do something.
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how am i harmed?
fixed the sentance :P
your privacy is invaded, they can gather information against you for any use. They're already violating the law, and you don't want to stop them doing so, so you're enabling them violating other laws.
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ok so if its not hurting me, how am i harmed?
/me is actually interested, not just being an ass
Precedent & opportunity. Even if this information is only used initially for criminals, it's still available (both in terms of the ability to monitor and the ability to review stored information) for future governments to abuse. Now, no democratic system can be totally immune from the rise of tyranny; even if you don't believe it will happen with this government, who knows what the next may bring. So, any democratic countries needs controls that prevent possible abuse, oppression, tyranny, etc; if we begin removing the defenses we place to keep us secure and free (this applies not just to the US, but other countries and especially the UK), then all we suceed in doing is opening doors for the sort of ****ty, repressive government these democratic systems and protective laws were created to prevent.
Essentially, if you remove laws because you 'trust' the government, NSA, whatever to behave themselves, you only leave yourself open to that trust being abused.
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i have to trust the NSA, since my dad retired from the air force last year he's worked for em :p
but yeh i see what yall are saying
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A) that dosen't make it a good idea to trust them
B) were you authorized to release that information :lol:
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lol who knows :p
but now that ive said it i spose the Black Helicopters are on the way
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lol who knows :p
but now that ive said it i spose the Black Helicopters are on the way
Just tell them it was Karl Rowes' idea.
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The more power a goverment has, the more power it wants. The more power it wants and has, the more it becomes paranoid of its own citizens. The more it becomes paranoid, the more the definition of "doing something wrong" changes.
End of story.
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The way I figure it, the US government is going to turn into an Orwell type "big-brother" totalitarian state and treat us all like cattle. If I thought there was something I could do about it other than wait for China to come and kill us all in our beds, I would. Unfortunately as I see it, I'm one person out of nearly 300 million, with no exceptional social skills, what am I going to do, other than whine? Besides, I'm going into computer forensics, I'll need to get a job somehow (hopefully a relatively uncorrupted local thing going after pedophiles and not a big, giant, scary, government organization going after John Smith, but I'm not burning any bridges if I can help it)
If you think this lawsuit changes anything, your a little too optimistic.
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you do realize "going after pedophiles" is the single biggest overblown net boogeyman in existance... pedophiles on the net are about the easiest to detect and the least threatening.. the majority of sexual abuse of minors happens by family members of close family friends
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That's not all computer forensics types go after, it's just an example, and also, you need concrete proof of who done it in order to prosecute... anyway... on with talking about what we already know (the upcoming death of freedom in America, ect...)
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THe funny thing is, they most likely have been doing this for decades, and then more funny stuff, they will continue to do it whether Democrat or Republican is in office, and the funniest news of all, there isn't anything you can do to stop them.
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The way I figure it, the US government is going to turn into an Orwell type "big-brother" totalitarian state and treat us all like cattle. If I thought there was something I could do about it other than wait for China to come and kill us all in our beds, I would. Unfortunately as I see it, I'm one person out of nearly 300 million, with no exceptional social skills, what am I going to do, other than whine? Besides, I'm going into computer forensics, I'll need to get a job somehow (hopefully a relatively uncorrupted local thing going after pedophiles and not a big, giant, scary, government organization going after John Smith, but I'm not burning any bridges if I can help it)
If you think this lawsuit changes anything, your a little too optimistic.
What's the saying?
Ah yes
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing
Whining is a start. Whine properly - that is, don't insult people for being initially skeptical, don't 'push' your view in a way that makes you seem rigid and inflexible (i.e. that can lead to the impression you simply won't consider any other evidence in forming it), be nice and clear and concise, and above all respect that people can disagree even when you can calmly and rationally state a strong case - and you spread ideas. Spread ideas, and you can affect change.
At least, in theory. Of course, now the NSA will probably just cut any change-spreading calls off......
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DEM WIRETAPPERS NEED TO B EEZ SHOT IN DA BALLZ. THEY NEED T O BE KIEELSD
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Sorry, everyone is welcome to disagree, but from what I've seen, this lawsuit changes nothing, and there's nothing I can personally do about it (except run to Canada)
Nick, go get yourself some sleep, and then some Ibuprofen and coffee
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A girl i see everyday on the way to work is always hsy about talking cos its so packed, I dont give a monkies if people look and listen it just shows that they have nothing better to do, RE the issue here though, One less step towards 1984 ;)
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Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you! :D
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oh no, mi fluidz they ngonna taxe ejm :D
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lmao Nuke
'Monkeyed Until Sober'
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I think sooner or later we can expect the Republican party to try and change the constitution to allow for this sort of thing.
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I think sooner or later we can expect the Republican party to try and change the constitution to allow for this sort of thing.
nah, they simply ignore it - they just need o try and stack the court even more in their favor - 7 to 2 just isn't doing it for them
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I heard on /. that the FBI got FISA warrants (over 120) for every wiretap related to stopping the recent plane plot
demonstrating clearly that you can both stop terrorist AND follow the constitution and the law at the same time!
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That, at least, is encouraging, as is the relative non-corruption of the Supreme Court
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what are you smoking.. the supreme court is stacked with 7 republican nominees to 2 democratic nominees - atleast 3 of them Scalia, Roberts, Alito are plain outright fascists
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What I don't think anyone has addressed is that this case hasn't reached the Supreme Court yet. The final ruling on this issue is still up in the air, and given the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it's far from certain that they'll support this federal judge's decision.
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yup
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what are you smoking.. the supreme court is stacked with 7 republican nominees to 2 democratic nominees - atleast 3 of them Scalia, Roberts, Alito are plain outright fascists
Better than the rest of the government. Hopefully this case will go to them before they become as bad as the rest of the government though
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it's funny how in spite of the administration haveing hand picked nearly a quarter of the supreem court justices the blatant unconstitutionalness of this is so obvius that there was no chance of this surviveing.
I just hope the democrats don't blow it again.
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I just hope the democrats don't blow it again.
With the way the democratic party has been the past few years, I wouldn't count on them not f*ing things up.
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yeah, america's about had it. we had a good run guys. whos up for starting up somewhere new, get a good refresher on the ideals we were founded on.
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I wonder how it is that the public and media were all over Watergate, where Nixon wiretapped a building, yet the public (and many HLP members apparently) is now absurdly apathetic to Bush wiretapping a ****ing nation.
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Most American people are sheep being led off of a cliff. With idiots like Britney Spears saying that we would follow our leaders blindly, it is little wonder that people like Bush can get away with doing so much.
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yeah, america's about had it. we had a good run guys. whos up for starting up somewhere new, get a good refresher on the ideals we were founded on.
I think we should contract some Scandinavian company to make our new country for us. I don't trust us.
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YAY!!!! Common sense does exist in this country!!!!!!!