What I don't ****ing get, though, is HOW THIS SHOW NEVER GETS EMMY NOMINATED!!!!! Really, everyone makes a deal outta Lost (****in OVER RATED), 24 (getting old), Depserate Housewives (**** that), and all these other precieved 'great' shows, yet BSG gets over looked ALL THE TIME. It really irks me, it really does. This show is heads and tails above everything on TV these days, yet no one watches or pays attention to it because its sci-fi.I'll bet it would help if it weren't on the Sci-Fi channel. I mean, it's kinda like if someone in the library stuck Ulysses in the Tom Clancy novels. Of course people aren't going to notice it.
suicide bombings, insurgency, "hearts and minds"?
Well, now. That was something, oh, I don't know... fuc_ing amazing, maybe? Or something along those lines. But, man, that was a great episode. Wow. The whole suicide bombing thing was just... speechless. I mean, wow.
What I don't ****ing get, though, is HOW THIS SHOW NEVER GETS EMMY NOMINATED!!!!! Really, everyone makes a deal outta Lost (****in OVER RATED), 24 (getting old), Depserate Housewives (**** that), and all these other precieved 'great' shows, yet BSG gets over looked ALL THE TIME. It really irks me, it really does. This show is heads and tails above everything on TV these days, yet no one watches or pays attention to it because its sci-fi.
I'll bet it would help if it weren't on the Sci-Fi channel. I mean, it's kinda like if someone in the library stuck Ulysses in the Tom Clancy novels. Of course people aren't going to notice it.
BATTLESTAR IRAQTICA
Could they BE any more obvious and heavy-handed? No... no they couldn't.
Well, there are parallels but I think it would be a mistake to view this solely in that light. Yes, current events are inevitably going to hold our interpretive faculties prisoner, but we do the show a disservice if we don't try to see around the "here and now".
Nazi Germany seems a closer parallel. Particularly with the closer of the episode.
dont you dare say that, popularity is a disease for the arts. sure this show ****ing kicks ass but as soon as all the kiddies come in and say wow, theyre gonna demand a few changes. next thing you know theyre bringing in a girly design dude to redesign all the uniforms and change the mood of the show. this happened to star trek, star wars, stargate, reality shows, movie franchises, metal bands the list of good art gone bad goes on and on and on, i will not tolerate this show to go down the crapper. popularity is bad for art period.
that said this show was chilling as ****. fits my mood perfectly. i love how dark some of the characters have become. this season is just gonna rock!
Is that supposed to imply that one of those is as horrible as Blood Surf?It's meant to imply that most of what's on Sci-Fi is vapid ****.
Next, the introduction of Kasey and her almost instant near-death experience. That one scene was the most memorable for me, because I could just see Starbuck killing her, and then taunting her wannabe-Cylon-bf about her 'resurrecting'. It really had me on the edge of my seat, and I was pretty damn shocked when she was apparently just wantonly killed.
dont you dare say that, popularity is a disease for the arts. sure this show ****ing kicks ass but as soon as all the kiddies come in and say wow, theyre gonna demand a few changes. next thing you know theyre bringing in a girly design dude to redesign all the uniforms and change the mood of the show. this happened to star trek, star wars, stargate, reality shows, movie franchises, metal bands the list of good art gone bad goes on and on and on, i will not tolerate this show to go down the crapper. popularity is bad for art period.
Yes, look what happened to Star Trek XI - nobody liked it. But wait a minute...popularity is a bad thing. So therefore, Star Trek XI must have been quite good. But that contradicts the original statement... :confused:
that said this show was chilling as ****. fits my mood perfectly. i love how dark some of the characters have become. this season is just gonna rock!
Negative statement. Positive statement. Positive and negative adjectives. Positive statement.
For being in a self-described "dark mood", you're not exactly batting three for three here. More like bipolar disorder. :p
I was actually hoping that they would have used Kasey as a case of how dehumanized the Cylons are viewed by the Colonials- to the point of Starbuck killing 'a little girl.' Now if she has proper guilt over 'falling prey to Cylon tricks' and dehumanizes them even further at a later point when in fact treating a Cylon or hybrid right is the proper thing to do, it'll pay off in the end.
BATTLESTAR IRAQTICA
Could they BE any more obvious and heavy-handed? No... no they couldn't.
BATTLESTAR IRAQTICASuicide bombing has been around for a hundred years. Occupations and insurgencies have been around for millenia. If you think that it's just ripping stuff from the headlines, doesn't that only suggest your own bias towards viewing it as such? All that stuff about the resistance: collaborators, torture, secret meetings, bombings - it's universal to any occupation. So far I haven't seen any particularly glaring nods to Iraq (and/or Israel/Palestine). Now granted, they probably are alluding to Iraq, given that they've come out and said as much, but what I've seen in the show could have been any occupation and any resistance.
Could they BE any more obvious and heavy-handed? No... no they couldn't.
It'll be on in 45 minutes here! Finally us in Canada watching SPACE can see it at roughly the same time as you guys in the states.
Important question for you all: Does anyone know what music they have playing at the beggining, right after the intro. The chanting, Middle-Eastern sounding stuff. Jesus, I love that, but I've checked the BSG Wiki and they don't mention it. In fact, does anyone even know what the genre is properly called?All the music is done by Bear McCreary for the TV show. There are soundtrack CD's (for Season 1 and 2) available from the record company website: http://www.lalalandrecords.com/
There's alot in there.
Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
Surprisingly humerous.Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
You, sir, need to take a look at this:
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=35344
Important question for you all: Does anyone know what music they have playing at the beggining, right after the intro. The chanting, Middle-Eastern sounding stuff. Jesus, I love that, but I've checked the BSG Wiki and they don't mention it. In fact, does anyone even know what the genre is properly called?All the music is done by Bear McCreary for the TV show. There are soundtrack CD's (for Season 1 and 2) available from the record company website: http://www.lalalandrecords.com/
The sequence played at the beginning is an amalgum of themes we've heard before but not together. He does great work...and no there is no genre name for this music aside from soundtrack. Its very worldly.
crap I just checked thatSurprisingly humerous.Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
You, sir, need to take a look at this:
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=35344
Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
:jaw:
Remember that BSG is as much about faith as it is about technology. Part of the mystery of the story is that we don't know how these things work. We may never know. We know that the Cylon human varients are practically indistinguishable but with a few extras. Thats only a problem if you want to know how everything works Star Trek style.Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
:jaw:
You heard me.
A artificial life from that resembels humans completely, practicly indistinugishable except by some elaborate test?
Please... what a load of bull.
The touch, smell and mimics of a Cylon would haev to be completely liek the humans, as well as hte internal structure.. Waht about blood and otehr stuuf? The Cylons are supposed to be "synthetic" so are they made out of cells or something else?
And last, but by no means least.. the Cylons that get destroyed transfer their memories to a new body..
Now that requires transmitting huge ammount of data over long interstella distances..and last time I checked, a powerfull transmitter was not part of a humans anatomy.
Not to mention that any signals like that could be detected, tracked, jammed, intercepted or modified....
Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
:jaw:
You heard me.
A artificial life from that resembels humans completely, practicly indistinugishable except by some elaborate test?
Please... what a load of bull.
The touch, smell and mimics of a Cylon would haev to be completely liek the humans, as well as hte internal structure.. Waht about blood and otehr stuuf? The Cylons are supposed to be "synthetic" so are they made out of cells or something else?
And last, but by no means least.. the Cylons that get destroyed transfer their memories to a new body..
Now that requires transmitting huge ammount of data over long interstella distances..and last time I checked, a powerfull transmitter was not part of a humans anatomy.
Not to mention that any signals like that could be detected, tracked, jammed, intercepted or modified....
*shock* *horror*
It's TV!
Name one sci-fi TV series that's been scientifically accurate. I mean, get a grip!
Everything is more or less fine in hte new BGS series...except for Cylons..they suck..big time.
:jaw:
You heard me.
A artificial life from that resembels humans completely, practicly indistinugishable except by some elaborate test?
Please... what a load of bull.
The touch, smell and mimics of a Cylon would haev to be completely liek the humans, as well as hte internal structure.. Waht about blood and otehr stuuf? The Cylons are supposed to be "synthetic" so are they made out of cells or something else?
And last, but by no means least.. the Cylons that get destroyed transfer their memories to a new body..
Now that requires transmitting huge ammount of data over long interstella distances..and last time I checked, a powerfull transmitter was not part of a humans anatomy.
Not to mention that any signals like that could be detected, tracked, jammed, intercepted or modified....
*shock* *horror*
It's TV!
Name one sci-fi TV series that's been scientifically accurate. I mean, get a grip!
I can stad scientific inconsistency with RL, as long as it's consistent within the series universe itself and doesn't mutialte common sense.
Undetectable data trancivers don't quite make sense in the BSG universe.
I can stad scientific inconsistency with RL, as long as it's consistent within the series universe itself and doesn't mutialte common sense.
Undetectable data trancivers don't quite make sense in the BSG universe.
Why not? I mean, you realise what makes sense within the BSG universe is, er, defined by the BSG Writers, yeah? Y'know, the people who wrote the stories of the show?
I can stad scientific inconsistency with RL, as long as it's consistent within the series universe itself and doesn't mutialte common sense.
Undetectable data trancivers don't quite make sense in the BSG universe.
Why not? I mean, you realise what makes sense within the BSG universe is, er, defined by the BSG Writers, yeah? Y'know, the people who wrote the stories of the show?
You mean consistency like in Star Trek? Where they change definitions of things from episode to episode?
The writters can write everything they want, but that doens't make it compact and consistent - not by a longshot
So if there was a series where a terrorist runs around the city with bombs and a big sign on his chest saying "I'll kill you all!" and people that you saw reading earlier don't notice or comprehend the sign and bomb, you would call that OK, since that's the way they written it?
Also, the Cylons say that their resources are stretched to the limit, but how could that be? Don't they have, like, a whole fleet, a whole army at the ready? If they're not commiting their full resources on New Caprica, what the hell else are the rest of the Cylons doing?
Also, the Cylons say that their resources are stretched to the limit, but how could that be?
let me put it this way, if they would have called it a resistance, I would have no problem, I would have no point, if they called it a gorilla war, a revolt, an upriseing, a subversion, a coup, then there would be no problem, but they used the term 'insurgency', you never used to hear that term, but it's a very commonly heard term these days, the term coined (well sort of) by suporters of the Iraq war to make the people we were fighting there seem like a more bad guy than they would be if they would have been called rebels or resistance fighters. they are useing MANY terms and phrases that are quite specific to the Iraq war and the spin around it.Flawed arguement.
In‧sur‧gen‧cy /ɪnˈsɜrdʒənsi/ [in-sur-juhn-see]Forgive me, but I don't see 'Iraq' anywhere in that entry. Now, it's possible the writers use the term because, as you said, it's commonly used these days and when someone hears it, they instantly think 'armed uprising against an occupying force', threby further clarifying the role of the group. But that's a long way from 'this is Iraq on another planet, choke on it!'. It's also worth noting that they have used other terms for the resistance, but only 'insurgency' stands out because you're looking for it.
noun, plural.
1. the state or condition of being insurgent.
2. insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent.
3. rebellion within a group, as by members against leaders.
The rest of the Cylon fleet is probably patrolling the 12 or so planets of the colonies, overseeing the breeding farms, preventing Pegasus and Galactica from coming back, etc.According to Cavil, the Cylons have left the 12 Colonies for "greener pastures". What that means is up for debate, but he made it pretty clear that they've left the Colonies behind and gone about their business.
Plus from the way they're talking about it, it sounds like a certain amount of resources have been allocated for the New Caprica operation.To me, it sounds like a sub-group of the greater Cylon race, a group of particular models who cajoled the Cylon leadership into giving them a portion of the fleet, and resuming the search for Humanity in order to mend relations and form an alliance for the betterance of both species.
I've long maintained that the Cylons don't really have that much, and that they would never have stood a chance against the Colonies without the compromised Command Navigation Protocol. We've never known just what the total of their forces amounts to. For all we know they are at the end of their tether.
let me put it this way, if they would have called it a resistance, I would have no problem, I would have no point, if they called it a gorilla war, a revolt, an upriseing, a subversion, a coup, then there would be no problem, but they used the term 'insurgency', you never used to hear that term, but it's a very commonly heard term these days, the term coined (well sort of) by suporters of the Iraq war to make the people we were fighting there seem like a more bad guy than they would be if they would have been called rebels or resistance fighters. they are useing MANY terms and phrases that are quite specific to the Iraq war and the spin around it.
a gorilla war,
I just wanna see a big space battle next episode...Why is it that whenever a discussion becomes purely academic people decide it's pointless and stupid? We're talking about our interpretations of a show-- lay off.
And this whole "controversy" about BSG following the Iraq war is A) stupid, B) pointless, C) possibly wrong, D) possibly correct, and E) stupid.
Oops, did I repeat myself again?
I just wanna see a big space battle next episode...Why is it that whenever a discussion becomes purely academic people decide it's pointless and stupid? We're talking about our interpretations of a show-- lay off.
And this whole "controversy" about BSG following the Iraq war is A) stupid, B) pointless, C) possibly wrong, D) possibly correct, and E) stupid.
Oops, did I repeat myself again?
did I bash, I made like one comment that I thought they were overuseing the metaphore and all of the sudden everyone is like "BLSAPHEEMAR! BURN THE BLASFEEMUR!!!!"
There are parallels and I doubt they're entirely coincidental, but I don't think that the episode is supposed to be conveying the message that terrorism is good.Woa...where are people getting the "terrorism good" thing from those two episodes. If thats the case...then I think thats not what the shows producers were talking about at all. In my humble academic interpretation the show is all about the human condition. What makes us fight so hard that we'd sacrifice our own lives in the name of or to save others? Thats the question the shows producers are asking.
edit: and in Bob's defense, Kevin Smith described BSG as "an allegory for the War on Terror", and I have to assume that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to film.It's not a film-specific question; it's a critical question. Being a filmmaker doesn't automatically make you a master of metaphors. With that said, I do think Kevin Smith is a very bright guy.
There are parallels and I doubt they're entirely coincidental, but I don't think that the episode is supposed to be conveying the message that terrorism is good.
There are parallels and I doubt they're entirely coincidental, but I don't think that the episode is supposed to be conveying the message that terrorism is good.Woa...where are people getting the "terrorism good" thing from those two episodes. If thats the case...then I think thats not what the shows producers were talking about at all. In my humble academic interpretation the show is all about the human condition. What makes us fight so hard that we'd sacrifice our own lives in the name of or to save others? Thats the question the shows producers are asking.
My personal feeling is that I think BSG is great for having producers with the balls to write an awesome story, with significant and poignant themes, without preaching what is right and wrong. Instead the show asks us to think about what is right and wrong. Thats ballsy and I applaud their efforts.
I think they are trying to teach more of you to be critical thinkers. It might have even worked...you guys are at least talking about it. Thinking about the issue from all angle and sides is coming no doubt! I have faith!
All of that I think its absolutely brilliant :)There are parallels and I doubt they're entirely coincidental, but I don't think that the episode is supposed to be conveying the message that terrorism is good.Woa...where are people getting the "terrorism good" thing from those two episodes. If thats the case...then I think thats not what the shows producers were talking about at all. In my humble academic interpretation the show is all about the human condition. What makes us fight so hard that we'd sacrifice our own lives in the name of or to save others? Thats the question the shows producers are asking.
My personal feeling is that I think BSG is great for having producers with the balls to write an awesome story, with significant and poignant themes, without preaching what is right and wrong. Instead the show asks us to think about what is right and wrong. Thats ballsy and I applaud their efforts.
I think they are trying to teach more of you to be critical thinkers. It might have even worked...you guys are at least talking about it. Thinking about the issue from all angle and sides is coming no doubt! I have faith!
I've not seen the eps myself, but I know from reading interviews with the writers, etc, that the intention was most definately to present both sides in the same sort of morally ambigious way as, well, the real world is, and to twist preconceptions in that regard (like having monotheistic Cylons and polytheistic Colonials).
The Battlestar Pegasus and her crew served with distinction and honor.
RIP Pegasus
You'd have to be an idiot NOT to consider this episode awesome.
At any rate, brilliant way to get rid of the Pegasus and get Apollo back into a fighter.
anyway... THANK the GODS HE SHAVED!!!
anyway... THANK the GODS HE SHAVED!!!
I think he looks better with the mustash.
I won't be deleting this one off my DVR for quite awhile :DI hear that. Hell, i've got everything from the mini right up to Exodus part 2 downloaded over the past year and a half, sitting on my HDD. :p
I disagree :p
Did anyone think...
When Tigh poisoned Hellen, she knew what he was doing. Her deliberate "I need a drink" and her long stare into his eye, coupled with his reaction, really made me think she knew of her fate.
There are other people who drool over Cally? :)
but i drool over ellen alot more :DAnd I, too. She will be missed.
There are other people who drool over Cally? :)
There are other people who drool over Cally? :)
It's the 'innocent' look, I guess.
she gets shagged
and my response to Ellen fans: eeeeeeeeeeeeew
There are other people who drool over Cally? :)The chick who was taking care of the Cylon-human baby, Maya I think = win. And I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
3. THIS SHOW IS SO DEEP AND MAGICAL AND BEST TV EVER IT CHANGED THE WAY I SEE AND EXPERIENCE THE WORLD AND UNIVERSE IF ONLY EVERYONE ELSE WOULD LOVE IT LIFE WOULD BE FLOWERS AND RABBITS AND SUN AND STARSHIPS OH GOD EJACULATING EVERYWHERE DID I MENTION I LOVE BSG MORE THAN I LOVE MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS SPLOOGE HEY HERE'S A RANDOM SPOILER WATCH THE SHOW YOU FRAKKIN JERKI tranfer all the mild interest which I would otherwise have for ten shows into a burning, fiery passion for one show...and that show is called Celebrity Poker. I also watch BSG on occasion.
ellen has become my favorite milf :DDon't you mean Cally?
The chick who was taking care of the Cylon-human baby, Maya I think = win. And I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
The chick who was taking care of the Cylon-human baby, Maya I think = win. And I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
You're wrong! :p Cally reminded me oddly of a former girlfriend. Had her hair been brown-er...
I'm still pissed at Pegasus getting blown up. I think that's probably the one thing I'm never going to forgive RDM for. Well, that, and Starbuck with long hair.
And the more I think about it, the more I think it didn't have to happen. Galactica has repeatedly stood off pairs of Basestars and held off three at Ragnar. The four that Pegasus engaged were already somewhat damaged (give Galactica a little credit!) and Pegasus has already demonstrated the ability to knock a Basestar out of the fight with two or three main battery salvos. (Not destroy, but damage to the point where it is no longer capable of offering meaningful resistance; see the one that ran away in The Captain's Hand.) Pegasus came in pumping out full main and secondary battery salvos every few seconds. We saw one take two salvo hits, and if it didn't blow apart then it sure wasn't going to be doing much fighting anymore. So, park the damn battlestar, hit another one with two more salvos, then play tag with the last two while Galactica gets clear...assuming you can't get them too.
My only conclusion is that Lee is moron, did not know how to fight his ship, and lost it to no good purpose.
A: we didn't actually see a single Raider or Viper spaceside.
Gee guys, thanks for labeling your spoilers. Now I won't ever know what happens at the climax of the episode before I see it, hm?You haven't actually been spoiled anything that wasn't already given away by the "next episode" teasers.
Gee guys, thanks for labeling your spoilers. Now I won't ever know what happens at the climax of the episode before I see it, hm?
In case you didn't know, that was sarcasm. I got about halfway through the post before realizing it was this week's spoiler, and by then it was too late.
What ****ing episode were you watching? :confused:
Gee guys, thanks for labeling your spoilers. Now I won't ever know what happens at the climax of the episode before I see it, hm?
In case you didn't know, that was sarcasm. I got about halfway through the post before realizing it was this week's spoiler, and by then it was too late.
You know, you might have expected to encounter spoilery stuff in this thread, vague though the title may seem...
The Raiders all headed to where the Vipers were, since none were seen in any spaceside external shots.Reality begs to differ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94-4BXUEkw).
interesting..... that means they both shoulda been pwnt, weird
interesting..... that means they both shoulda been pwnt, weird
Despite what we want to believe, the strenght of Raiders seems to change a lot between different episodes. In Mini they carried nukes which caused severe damage to Galactica's out hull.
Likely its a matter of resources. You dont use nukes unless you really need to and its not something you are going to carry around on a regular basis.interesting..... that means they both shoulda been pwnt, weird
Despite what we want to believe, the strenght of Raiders seems to change a lot between different episodes. In Mini they carried nukes which caused severe damage to Galactica's out hull. In Season 1 they were usually gun-armed and got killed by hundreds. Now they just fly around.
There is no solid canon line.
Despite what we want to believe, the strenght of Raiders seems to change a lot between different episodes. In Mini they carried nukes which caused severe damage to Galactica's out hull.
In the mini they were involved in an attack they had been planning for the last 40 years. It's quite probably they used a rather large portion of their supply of nukes in that attack.
We must all be nerds or fanboys. Only nerds or fanboys take up a page with back-and forth arguement over the presence of radiers during a battle... ;)He was safe.
But, as shown by the miniseries, they are somewhat easy to pick up with a radiological scanner. I guess not if its concealed but thats not the case with the raiders as Galactica instantly knew that the raiders were going to be throwing nukes at them.Despite what we want to believe, the strenght of Raiders seems to change a lot between different episodes. In Mini they carried nukes which caused severe damage to Galactica's out hull.
In the mini they were involved in an attack they had been planning for the last 40 years. It's quite probably they used a rather large portion of their supply of nukes in that attack.
Good point. But nukes are not very difficult to build, at least for someone who controls 12 radiated demolished colonies. Maybe it's just the "Good TV" again or something. No idea.
He was safe.
He was out.
He was safe!
He was out!
HE WAS SAFE!
HE WAS OUT!
Yeah, only nerds argue about things... :rolleyes:
It might also be a trust thing. Would kind of suck if the Raiders decided to go humanoid-Cylon hunting.
A Centurion rebellion might be bad, but then imagine a swarm of nuke-equipped Raiders....
On a side note, that sequence that pans out to show the Battlestar, the Resurrection Ship, the Fleet...was pure genius.
Those are sports fanatics you see. Very distinct difference.
...and spending it examining the motivations of the characters in Little Women? Cause people make careers out of the latter :D****ing english teachers.
He does raise a good point which I've always complained about though. Why is it that you're a nerd if you spend an hour debating the finer points of a TV show but not a nerd if you spend the same amount of time debating the abilities of a football team, the nuances of a Chekov play or the cimematography of a Bergman film?
Is there really any difference between spending time debating the motivations of Admiral Adama in Exodus Part II and spending it examining the motivations of the characters in Little Women? Cause people make careers out of the latter :D
He does raise a good point which I've always complained about though. Why is it that you're a nerd if you spend an hour debating the finer points of a TV show but not a nerd if you spend the same amount of time debating the abilities of a football team, the nuances of a Chekov play or the cimematography of a Bergman film?I seriously can't believe you just grouped football with Chekov and Bergman. That makes me want to do inappropriate things.
FTL is faster than light movement, its not teleportation is it?
Do you practice being vague?
Oh, I get the concept alright, it's just he said it in a somewhat vague fashion.
Anyway, the great thing about BSG is that how things like FTL works doesn't really matter. It's damned refreshing to get a nice sci-fi show that conciously tries to stay away from techno-babble. :yes:
To be fair, considering that was a show where Tech saved the day every week, the writing can be considered rather good given the context. Just as technobabble would be out of place on BSG, it is also true that BSG's down-and-dirty strategies of saving the day would be equally misplaced on TNG:
*Title sequence*
Picard - "We need to find a way to subdue this renegade Starfleet captain before he can cause any more trouble. Perhaps we could use our Deflector Dish to create an Interplexing beacon which would reverse the polari-"
Worf - "Sir, if I may object: couldn't we just shoot him?"
Picard - "...Sounds good to me, i'll be in my ready-room."
*Roll credits*
See? Just not the TNG we all know and [mostly] love.
Anyway, the great thing about BSG is that how things like FTL works doesn't really matter. It's damned refreshing to get a nice sci-fi show that conciously tries to stay away from techno-babble. :yes:Actually, there was an episode that hinged entirely on how the FTL drives work. The one where the Galactica "lost" the fleet, remember?
Anyway, the great thing about BSG is that how things like FTL works doesn't really matter. It's damned refreshing to get a nice sci-fi show that conciously tries to stay away from techno-babble. :yes:Actually, there was an episode that hinged entirely on how the FTL drives work. The one where the Galactica "lost" the fleet, remember?
2. Colonials can compute an FTL jump from A -> B, but not from C -> B.
I seriously can't believe you just grouped football with Chekov and Bergman. That makes me want to do inappropriate things.
Well what do you mean "not worth bothering about"? I mean, I like sci-fi TV but come on, it's not Chekhov.
It would be vaguely inconvinent if they emerged directly in the middle of Cloud Nine...Not really, considering Cloud Nine is currently a slowly expanding mass of slightly nuclear debris. :nervous:
Well what do you mean "not worth bothering about"? I mean, I like sci-fi TV but come on, it's not Chekhov.
It would be vaguely inconvinent if they emerged directly in the middle of Cloud Nine...
It just seems to me that you're reacting to one extreme by moving to the other. I fully agree that it's stupid to call someone a nerd because they're discussing a particular topic, but it isn't necessary to predicate that argument on the notion that all topics of discussion are of equal sophistication. I've had intelligent conversations about Pink Floyd and about Bach, but that doesn't change the fact that there are volumes more to be said about the latter than about the former (musically speaking). The same applies to the question of Chekhov versus Battlestar Galactica; that there are volumes more to be gleaned from the former doesn't change the fact that you can get plenty from the latter.
I think the essential quality of a nerd isn't simply knowing a lot about a particular topic; it's the inability to understand that those around you might not be as interested. I always thought the surest sign of nerdiness is when someone takes every opportunity to steer the conversation back to his area of interest, usually to everyone else's exasperation.
For a minute during that last sequence I thought Tigh was going to shoot himself.
Is the hybrid one of the twelve ?
Also, I'm glad that Moore is going back to the question what the Six in Baltar's head is. I would have hated it, if that mystery would have just been forgotten.
For a minute during that last sequence I thought Tigh was going to shoot himself.
nowe everyone seems to have no problem at all with the fact that New-Boomer is a cylon,
Cloud Nine's gone man......
Quotenowe everyone seems to have no problem at all with the fact that New-Boomer is a cylon,
Maybe her saving their asses at least twice has something to do with that......
Spoiler:I must say, the Cylons really paniced when they were trying to decide on whether or not to abandon that dead baseship. They were unusually indecisive about it. I do wonder what is in store for us next week.
Spoiler:I must say, the Cylons really paniced when they were trying to decide on whether or not to abandon that dead baseship. They were unusually indecisive about it. I do wonder what is in store for us next week.
Cylons are weird. They can't die (or can but it's difficult) but care a lot about dying. Maybe it's because what Cavil said, he gets awful headaches and gets crazier.
new episode tonight, spoilers may be present in following posts.
I like how they seamlessly allowed us eyes into the Cylon workings through Balthar. It wasn't really something I was expecting, but cool regardless.Agreed. I think it was a great way to do that. We get to know some of what is going on without knowing everything that is going on since the Cylons don't really trust him anyways.
"Bayship" pilot enjoys her jumps quite much
"Bayship" pilot enjoys her jumps quite muchWait... you actually think the big Cylon ships are called, "Bayships", don't you?
"Bayship" pilot enjoys her jumps quite muchWait... you actually think the big Cylon ships are called, "Bayships", don't you?
I noticed a nice clean groove to the midsection of the baseships; makes me wonder if they'll ever make them rotate or something equally saucer-separation-y. :rolleyes: :p
Yes, that's why he put it in quotes, because those would never, ever, possibly be used in irony.And what, exactly, is ironic about typing "bayship" instead of "baseship"? Bayship isn't even a word.
And what, exactly, is ironic about typing "bayship" instead of "baseship"? Bayship isn't even a word.It is now.
Yeah, I can just see that...the top and bottom sections start turning in opposite directions as the Baseship approaches Galactica.
Cylons: OH **** SON.
Gaeta (Galactica): WTF Cylon h4x.
Helo (Galactica): Cylon pinwheel zomg.
Baltar (Basestar): AHHHHH OH GOD I'M SPINNING
That's why the peppercorn storage bays are in the middle of the basestar, and why Cylons are never short of a condiment ;)
So, am I the only one having watched the new episode ?
Besides the near-genocide ... something struck me. When Baltar was humping Six in his head during the torturing, she asked him to say "I love you." and "I believe in you." repeatedly, which makes me wonder ....uhm ... has Baltar the Cylon god in his mind ?
This was a godawful ep.
It was nice to see the refits to the raptors though........They're gorramn Missileboats, now.
They're gorramn Missileboats, now.
They're Gods-damned Missileboats, now.Better? Do it in a Tigh accent and it just works.
At first I thought the close-ups of the sweaty face and voice coming from the Cylon raider were Baltar. I was thoroughly surprised when it turned out not to be him. After all, a fuzzy, distorted "Bulldog!" sounds almost exactly the same as "Baltar".
Good episode, overall. Though I can't help but think that the Galactica crew is a bit dense, all except Starbuck completely buying the "escaped from the Cylons" story, and even with Starbuck it was like "Well, we've got a Cylon agent aboard, but I'm going take it easy and have a talk with Tigh first".
Also, if the Admiralty (maybe) intentionally sent a fighter across the armistice line to provoke a war, why were they so unprepared when the Cylons came knocking? And yes, at this point I have to agree with Bob. and admit that the writers are milking the War on Terror for all its worth. Adama's story parallels too closely the claim that the Bush administration knew bin Laden was out there and planning a strike, but didn't warn anyone or take any action.
The new episode is a bit weird. I mean, it had some good drama and explanations about Adama's past and his motivations. He's feeling guilty! Three is acting all weird and hooked on death. Tigh gave an awesome speech and Roslyn *****-slapped Adama back to his place (oww poor bill all pussy-whipped).I was fairly convinced that "Bulldog" was somewhat brainwashed into believing something and only after Tigh physically intervened (kicked ass he did) did he seem to come out of it. They don't have to tell us everything to try and reach in and figure some stuff out. I don't see this as a glitch...they just had another opportunity to try and out out the guy at the top. Which they have tried to do directly at least once before (when Sharon shot Adama). So it seems perfectly well within their modus operandi and there's no real loss to a pair of Raiders (which reincarnate anyways).
However, then there are huge continuation glitches and some rather stupid things (cylons knowing everyhing and just letting Bulldog escape because he's bitter? He just getting to Galactica?).
Sucks for us in Canada...we already had Thanksgiving.
we never bothered with this "Holiday" anywayYou're already getting Atlantis 3 months ahead of everyone else, what more do you want!?
the latest episode was awesome
who would've thought roslin, adama, starbuck, cally and kaptain kelly were the last 5 cylons!!
the latest episode was awesome
who would've thought roslin, adama, starbuck, cally and kaptain kelly were the last 5 cylons!!
YOU LIE!
the latest episode was awesome
who would've thought roslin, adama, starbuck, cally and kaptain kelly were the last 5 cylons!!
YOU LIE!
I cannot lie
I didn't guess they could handle the revelation of Cylon God so well too
the latest episode was awesome
who would've thought roslin, adama, starbuck, cally and kaptain kelly were the last 5 cylons!!
YOU LIE!
I cannot lie
I didn't guess they could handle the revelation of Cylon God so well too
And I'd been wondering how they'd bring in Muffit 2 from the original Galactica.
the latest episode was awesome
who would've thought roslin, adama, starbuck, cally and kaptain kelly were the last 5 cylons!!
YOU LIE!
I cannot lie
I didn't guess they could handle the revelation of Cylon God so well too
And I'd been wondering how they'd bring in Muffit 2 from the original Galactica.
at least boxey's back :)
Holy Christmas, did anyone else just watch this week's episode? I thought that was easily one of the best they've ever done.
Holy Christmas, did anyone else just watch this week's episode? I thought that was easily one of the best they've ever done.
Does the fact I now think Starbuck is a first-class asshole answer your question?
I see more than that walking around on a university campus.Spoiler:omloag you get to see starbuck's crack, starbuck's crack ftw
Yes but one day security will catch you and put an end to your shenanigans :pLOL
I would venture to guess you canuks are used to itYeah....I'm not sure if this is actually what happens but everyone jokes that once the cold weather comes the blood thickens and we feel fine. Its funny because if its been 30c for weeks in the summer and it drops suddenly to 18 or 19 it "feels cold" and yet with the proper clothing a warm 2c in the winter is just fine. The only thing you can't shake off is -10 or below with windchill.
HOW TO INTRODUCE A CHARACTER IN BSG
Character: Hey I am a new character!
People: god damn this character sucks
[cue 14 episodes or something]
Character: ok backstory episode!
People: yay I am starting to like you now!
Character: *dies*
People: fukk
I didn't like her attitude. She was all up in Starbuck's grill. ***** needed to stop hatin' and start participatin'.
Damn good ep, adding in some genuine jeapordy by casually losing two ships [what was the Adriatic, again? It sounds very familiar]. Sure, they killed Kat, but it could've been worse; they could have killed Racetrack. That would have pissed my off.
Damn good ep, adding in some genuine jeapordy by casually losing two ships [what was the Adriatic, again? It sounds very familiar]. Sure, they killed Kat, but it could've been worse; they could have killed Racetrack. That would have pissed my off.
One eye is bigger than the other.
edit: on closer inspection, I stand corrected.
Ah, so it's not Showboat but Racetrack that my comment was supposed to be about ;)
The actress looks a wee bit like a very eager clerk at Eddie Bauer who was picking out things for me and talking about grad schools...
But Racetrack has a Viper... Racetrack wins.
i preferred the original bsg. this upto date version is too soppy and soft. i saw 1 episode season 2 on sky 3. and it was crap. i fell asleep half way through. anyway, enjoy you bsg. enough from me :DYour loss.
yep my loss im glad too.
Anyway, back OT: That was on hell of a cliffhanger. I mean, any episode that ends with the line; "the release of nuclear weapons is now authorised", definintely gets a 10/10 in my book :yes:Yeah, I actually resent them for making me wish for the end of my winter break.
i preferred the original bsg. this upto date version is too soppy and soft. i saw 1 episode season 2 on sky 3. and it was crap. i fell asleep half way through. anyway, enjoy you bsg. enough from me :D
Haha, Baltar is great. He wishes he was one of the other 5 Cylons, just so that he would be the hero of his kind instead of the great traitor.
Oh...and Cali just gets hotter.
Oh...and Cali just gets hotter.Well, she's no Racetrack, but I would agree with that conclusion.
Is it just me, or does Calli/Kally seriously look like jailbait. Like...15. Which is not to say that these claims I've been hearing vis-a-vis her hotness are untrue, I'm just saying.I don't think so...she looks about 23-25. The Chief looks like he's 28-30. Its perfect.
Is it just me, or does Calli/Kally seriously look like jailbait. Like...15. Which is not to say that these claims I've been hearing vis-a-vis her hotness are untrue, I'm just saying.
God, I hate cliffhangers. They're bad for my health.
Cally? The girl playing her is 22. Dunno what you guys are talking about :wtf:
LOL no way she looks 13. Not a European 13 anyway!!
Perhaps we should curb this conversation before we get where I think you guys are headed. :nervous:
LOL no way she looks 13. Not a European 13 anyway!!
Bumpity for...
And for all you Cylon fappers, Tricia Helfer has a good idea (http://celebrities.netscape.com/story/2007/01/03/tricia-helfer-of-battlestar-galactica-to-appear-in-playboy).
And for all you Cylon fappers, Tricia Helfer has a good idea (http://celebrities.netscape.com/story/2007/01/03/tricia-helfer-of-battlestar-galactica-to-appear-in-playboy).ARGH!!!! WHY CAN'T THERE EVER BE A :DROOL: SMILEY?!?!?!
What do you think will happen to number 6 now that she is in jail?
Previously on Baltarstar Galactica
"I've seen the faces! I've seen my destiny!"
"Yeah... you're crazy. We're putting you down..."
Go Cylon Al! ;)
I heard some loose talk that BSG S3 may be cancled, due to a drop in rateings? Is this true?
Considering that they just greenlighted Season 4 and ratings are up I'd find the person spreading that rumour and punch them in the mouth if I were you. :DWhat if i heard it from my dad? :P
Considering that they just greenlighted Season 4 and ratings are up I'd find the person spreading that rumour and punch them in the mouth if I were you. :DWhat if i heard it from my dad? :P
Good to hear its greenlighted for S4.
Get to some action already! It's been how long since we've had a decent action episode?
Get to some action already! It's been how long since we've had a decent action episode?
As I said on Gamewarden, they need to throw these people a Viper-shaped bone soon or it's not going to be very battlestar.
Rictor, I think that if you and I were ever to agree on an aesthetic judgment, the universe would end.Say what you want, but the Cylon-Baltar bits are cliched and booooring. I'm not the type that hates dialogue and gets bored every time there's a two minute pause between explosions, but for whatever reason I don't find them the least bit compelling. The Cylons are more loveable when anhilliating humanity than when waxing philosophical.
And since Tigh seems to be the man for these statements of sanity, when is he going to mention that sacrificing Pegasus for Galactica was the biggest military blunder since Napoleon left the sliced bread at home.
The Bucket.Don't.
Haven't you ever wondered why they were never uttered again? That's right, because they're stupid.
Well that takes me right back to the heady days of second grade.
I don't know what the hell everyone is complaining about. I think these episodes you guys are calling "fillers" are consistently amazing.
I'm starting to get the impression from odd bits and pieces I'm reading here and there that new BSG is starting to die.
I'm starting to get the impression from odd bits and pieces I'm reading here and there that new BSG is starting to die.
It's definately floundering.
There is hopefully something interesting coming up soon though. One of the video blogs on the scifi site has uh, Moore I think, talking to an empty room as a joke on speakerphone, but he's going on about how they desperately need to get the show back on track, yada yada.
There's supposed to be a big change at the end of season 3 but hey, thats what they said bout season 2/3.
Um, episodes like 'Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down' and 'Litmus' don't really compare even to Season 3 fillers. What about Season 1 was really that much better?So, are you saying 'TMU, TMD' and 'Litmus' were good or bad?
It's been renewed for at least 13 episodes of a fourth season. Babylon 5 had a superb run for four seasons. BSG is doing better than fine.
The most recent episode, Dirty Hands, was again, a filler.
Hmmm, that is true. But I did say, you Need fillers and that dirty hands was a pretty good one.
AND, just a person quibble, although it was reinforced in latter episodes, I thought it was pretty laughable how the Chief just seemed to pop up with these marital problems so he and Apollo could compare notes at the bar in Taking a Break.
Baltar does do a pretty good Cornish/Yorkshire(?) accent.
Baltar does do a pretty good Cornish/Yorkshire(?) accent.
That film any use?
I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.
I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.
According to everyone involved, this is not true...but I don't fully trust them.
Yeah I've gotta second that. I figured it was pretty final watching it...but in reading some of the comments from the head honchos...Starbuck isn't gone forever. They certainly didn't kill her like they did Kat.I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.
According to everyone involved, this is not true...but I don't fully trust them.
Apparently something... interesting happens in ep19 which might shed some light.
But forget about that, didn't you guys catch the shot where she reaches for the ejection handle?They're going to have to work pretty dang hard to sell the idea that Starbuck managed to eject, float around deep in the atmosphere of a highly radioactive Gas Giant, and get picked up by the Cylons, all without being seen by Lee who was only about 100 bloody metres away.
IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p
Somehow, in the space of a half-dozen episodes, I've gone from a slobbering BSG fanboy to someone who just... doesn't care. At all. Since Ron Moore nerfed the Cylons, BSG has become a show with no real antagonist, forcing the writers to resort to inflicting personality-of-the-week on their cast in a flailing attempt to create character drama.
IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p
As far as the remaining three episodes of the season go, I can say without spoiling anything that they are, like Sunday’s Starbuck episode, a rousing return to form after some uneven standalone episodes
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...every single one of my favorite shows has had a frustrating episode or two. That’s just the nature of the beast. And it's my opinion that the last four episodes of the season more than make up for any wobbles earlier in Season 3.
Use? What do you mean?
I remember the promos they had for this season... one will die, one will realize he/she is a Cylon, one will find Earth...
I have this nagging feeling that Starbuck is going to be the one to find Earth first... just a hunch of course...
What I want to know is how are they going to keep Anders in the show now apart from the weepy funeral scene.The Colonial Fleet gets a new recruit?
Somehow, in the space of a half-dozen episodes, I've gone from a slobbering BSG fanboy to someone who just... doesn't care. At all. Since Ron Moore nerfed the Cylons, BSG has become a show with no real antagonist, forcing the writers to resort to inflicting personality-of-the-week on their cast in a flailing attempt to create character drama.My sentiments somewhat. But I have no doubt that Grand Things will happen and the following episodes will redeem everything. Actually, it's only the half-dozen mid-season episodes which lacked Cylons and in any case not all of the filler sucked (Kat biting it, Dirty Hands).
I have this nagging feeling that Starbuck is going to be the one to find Earth first... just a hunch of course...Doubtless. The innuendo was too thick to ignore. And Moore/Eick would be stupid to throw away one of the, if not the best developed, most beloved characters.
I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene of season 3 would be Starbuck resurrecting on Earth.
I'm still putting my money on the Cylon god, who/whatever that is.
Anyway, perhaps it's because I'm not feeling well, but was that episode as confusing as I thought it was? Perhaps vague is a better term. I mean, I realize that Badger (whatever his BSG name is) was "borrowing" all that stuff to find out about people, the better to fight his case. But it seemed to me that in his actual meetings with both Baltar and Six, nothing was really said. It was a bunch of vague pretty words... right? :nervous:It's not that vague: He masterfully manipulated Six into being a much smaller threat to Balter's defense, and manipulated Lee onto his side of the courtroom to throw off Adama and hence exactly one fifth of the Judging Tribunal. He's manipulative, that's pretty much it.
The lawyer knows his ****, that's for sure. He's probably 10 times the lawyer the previous guy was, and he might just win.Hopefully that'll be the bit twist of the finale; Romo actually gets Baltar off and wackiness ensues.
IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p
Which is precisely why Edward James Olmos is the daddy.
Who, Romo or Baltar?
Ronald Moores podcast; they didn't shell out cash because it was insured, though, and I believe it was a museum quality prop. I'll drag out a link if the battlestar wiki goes back up before I head away.IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p
Which is precisely why Edward James Olmos is the daddy.
Does anyone have a definitive source that supports/refutes this?
I would love to hear how they worked it out if it's true...it seems like the studio having to suddenly shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars would have a serious enough impact for it to be talked about a bit more than I've heard.
...and he reacts and lashes out and destroys this ship, and you know what? This was a genuine museum quality ship that we were renting! This isn't a prop, this is hundreds of thousands of dollars we were renting! It... thank God it was insured, but this was like a museum quality [ship]...
From the podcast:Quote from: Ronald D. Moore...and he reacts and lashes out and destroys this ship, and you know what? This was a genuine museum quality ship that we were renting! This isn't a prop, this is hundreds of thousands of dollars we were renting! It... thank God it was insured, but this was like a museum quality [ship]...
Ain't seen ep19 yet.
But #i did notice in 18, that you can see the battered remains of the ship in Adama's quarters in the final scene with Lee (I think it's that one). That's class.
Also, what's going on with that music? Talk about weird moments.Indeed. Tigh, Anders, and whatshername Roslin's assistant all seem to hear it. I wonder what it is, and what it means...
When did Kat die?Yeah I've gotta second that. I figured it was pretty final watching it...but in reading some of the comments from the head honchos...Starbuck isn't gone forever. They certainly didn't kill her like they did Kat.I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.
According to everyone involved, this is not true...but I don't fully trust them.
Apparently something... interesting happens in ep19 which might shed some light.
The one thing is that now they are down two very important Viper pilots...I wonder if some of the others will get more screen time and how good those pilots really are.
When did Kat die?Episode 9/10 of Season 3, 'The Passage'. She gave herself a lethal dose of radiation while trying to save a ship lost in a radioactive star cluster, dying offscreen shortly after returning to Galactica.[/Ubergeek]
Thats when she died? ****, that means i'm dumb.(I thought she survived, but I guess I was wrong.)When did Kat die?Episode 9/10 of Season 3, 'The Passage'. She gave herself a lethal dose of radiation while trying to save a ship lost in a radioactive star cluster, dying offscreen shortly after returning to Galactica.[/Ubergeek]
There was no definitive sign that Torri actually heard the music, so as it stands only Tigh and Anders have heard it. What do Tigh and Anders have in common? They both have dead spouses, and that can't be a coincidence.Also, what's going on with that music? Talk about weird moments.Indeed. Tigh, Anders, and whatshername Roslin's assistant all seem to hear it.
Indeed(evil Thrawn voice :pimp:)There was no definitive sign that Torri actually heard the music, so as it stands only Tigh and Anders have heard it. What do Tigh and Anders have in common? They both have dead spouses, and that can't be a coincidence.Also, what's going on with that music? Talk about weird moments.Indeed. Tigh, Anders, and whatshername Roslin's assistant all seem to hear it.
I hate this show. :blah:But, WHy? Just asking...
It's a love/hate relationship. It's so freakin good that I hate being enthralled so utterly.Ah, I gotcha ;)
Good ending at least... now we know 4 of the five... and can infer that Kara's #5Or do we...
It's a love/hate relationship. It's so freakin good that I hate being enthralled so utterly.Right there with ya.