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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Evol Gee on October 13, 2006, 09:39:06 am
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I've been thinking (and it hurts like hell)...
I miss playing Mission based space sims such as Tie Fighter and Freespace 2 (duh!), and i'm sick to death of the Elite/X: Beyond style game. I want to see developers resurrect the genre and in particular, there is nothing more i'd love to see then... wait for it... well you've probably guessed it... Freespace 3.
Interplay folded and f**k knows what Volition are doing, so what this thread is intended to be about is generating enough interest in a 3rd Freespace installation and having a developer pick up the project and do something for us. Ffs, atm i might even suggest get Valve (is that swearing) to pick up the project.
/me crawls under protective rock to smoke a spliff and await hurls of abuse for bringing up FS3... again
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:welcome:
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Now we have done with the welcome speech.........No-one mentions the EFF ESS THREE thing here, as mentioned in the welcome speech. As you said that has been done to death and you won't make many friends in here talking about, especially suggesting Valve take it up.
If it ain't :v: it ain't FS3
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Valve making FS3 would be almost as bad as Derek Smart doing it. :p
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Does that come with fries ?
Tbh i wouldn't even think about Valve takin it up. Who says its gotta be volition tho. err.. let me re-phrase that... Why does it have to be Volition ? Stop being so closed minded, get some sunshine and realise there are other developers out there other then Volition who could pull this off.
Rather then gettin all 1337 on me (rolleyes), maybe there should be a sticky thread about the subject if you don't want it discussed here.
I'm not here to make friends, I'm here for discussion about a something being done instead of just sitting on your backsides making half amusing posts such as yours. *sigh*
I have a suntan btw.
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Alright, whose trolling alt-nick is this? :p
anyway. From my FAQ.
When is FreeSpace 3 coming out?
Without a doubt this is probably the most common question asked by people entering the FreeSpace community. They see how brilliant FS1 and FS2 were and they find it hard to believe that FS3 isn't already available for people to play. I can't say I blame them. I found it hard to believe myself but the main reason FS3 isn't out already is because FS2 didn't sell that well.
Despite widespread critical acclaim the sales of FS2 compared to FS1 were actually quite poor. The community puts this fact squarely at the feet of FreeSpace's publisher, Interplay. Quite frankly FreeSpace 2 was hardly advertised at all so it's hardly surprising that it didn't sell. Rumour has it that Interplay released a Star Trek based game at about the same time as FS2 and descided not to advertise FS2 very heavily for fear of hurting the sales of that game.
Volition, (Simply known as [V] by the fans), the makers of FreeSpace later struck a deal with another publisher THQ and no longer work for Interplay but Interplay retained the rights to FreeSpace. The really annoying thing about this is that [V] have made several statements that show their programmers are willing to do a third FreeSpace game but can't since Interplay hold the licenses and THQ prefer to own the rights to any games they make.
The FreeSpace community has tried various methods to bring about FS3 including petitions and mailings to [V] and Interplay. None of these have had much of an effect because since FreeSpace 2 didn't do very well so Interplay doesn't wish to stick their neck out and hire someone to write a third.
A while back an announcement by Derek Smart (creator of the BattleCruiser 3000 series) that he was attempting to purchase the licence caused widespread consternation amongst the community. The quality of his other games, the attitude with which he treated the community when suggesting this and the fact that he showed no intention of asking [V] what they had planned for the storyline of FS3 left the community up in arms. Fortunately the situation appears to have normalised since then with Derek Smart deciding to leave FreeSpace alone and make up his own universe instead.
While the occasional juicy titbit from [V] or Interplay (The fact that Interplay has been hovering near bankruptcy for the past two years for instance) occasionally stirs interest the general consensus of the community is to not mention FS3 at all unless there is something new to say about it. Comments about FS3 are generally unpopular amongst the veterans because we've seen them all before. If you have something new to contribute people will generally receive it politely but posting questions about FS3 that we've all seen a hundred times before generally results in a terse answer and a link to this site or the Wiki at best.
How about we get the community together and write our own FS3?
After questions about FS3's release date this is one of the sorest points in the community. Posting a topic like this on one of the FreeSpace boards is actually more likely to get you insulted that simply asking when FS3 is coming out. While that question is merely naive this one carries a rather subtle insult. After all if the solution is so simple wouldn't the community have to be idiots not to have thought of it before? The fact is that the idea has been brought up several times before. It came up again shortly after the FS2 source code was released because for the first time not only could we make a new story for FS3 but also improve the engine to do it. The idea was rejected then for several reasons and continues to be rejected every time it comes up for many of the same ones.
* What would the plotline be? - The various members of the community have their own viewpoints of where the FS3 plotline would go. Furthermore we've had several years to become convinced that our particular plotline is the best one. It would be very hard to persuade the community to rally around a single official storyline for FS3. In fact the only thing that the community would rally round would be an official plotline from [V] but they continue to play their cards very close to their chests. Without this the community tend to go by the motto that "If it isn't [V], it ain't FS3".
* Who would play it? - The entire community would know large portions of the plot line so who would the campaign be for?
* Who has the time? - Most of the community are working on their own campaigns already. To do this would mean that they would have to give them up for the duration of the project.
Since a fan made FS3 would be no more official than Inferno or Derelict or any of the other campaigns already released or currently in production most people don't feel there's much point. Many of these mods are our own visions of FS3. There is no need for a semi-official one.
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Does that come with fries ?
Tbh i wouldn't even think about Valve takin it up. Who says its gotta be volition tho. err.. let me re-phrase that... Why does it have to be Volition ? Stop being so closed minded, get some sunshine and realise there are other developers out there other then Volition who could pull this off.
Rather then gettin all 1337 on me (rolleyes), maybe there should be a sticky thread about the subject if you don't want it discussed here.
I'm not here to make friends, I'm here for discussion about a something being done instead of just sitting on your backsides making half amusing posts such as yours. *sigh*
I have a suntan btw.
*sigh*
I suggest you go and read Kara's FAQ (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/intro.html) about the subject and then come back and try and discuss it! :p
If any other developer did a third episode then they would not have the storyline that :v: had! FS2 was left with a few unanswered questions which we all want answered, :v: obviously had a third installment in mind to answer these questions but was unable to produce it for various reasons. Go read the FAQ (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/intro.html) and then come back!
Edit: I see Kara got here before me! :nod:
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Oh boy now i'm not gooing to start bashing you for mentioning the FS x but please it already hurts like hell ! I mean most of the people over here even me to some degree have come to realize that FS x beeing made and released is like tring to guess all of the winning lottery number 10 years in a row which is as you guesed it imposible.
So please dont mention it again...it's whats best for all of us....!
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This thread will get locked by Taristin in just a few minutes. ;)
If it ain't :v: it ain't FS3
Why? Because any other developer who makes it will be just like any other mod, like Black Water Ops. or Inferno, just with the name FreeSpace 3. Chances are, any other developer will **** it up. Big time. It will not be FS3 without :v: at the helm.
Anyway, I'm probably going to be burned for this, but I'm going to say it anyway.
I hope FreeSpace 3 never gets made.
Why? Because it will destroy all the mods already under construction (almost all of them). I think that we should just let the entire thing stay open and uncompleted. If it does get completed, however, it will certainly make the FreeSpace series complete, but if it doesn't it will leave us with an entire world of possibilities and openings for us to create campaigns and mods in. What will happen if FS3 gets made? What will happen to Inferno? What of Machina Terra? What will happen to every single campaign (well, besides AHTW) in progress? Perhaps they will continue? Or perhaps they will die for loss of motivation.
We will never know because FS3 will never be made.
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I'm actually not opposed to some other developer making it (or any discussion about it around here, for that matter), but Valve? I repeat my previous assertion. :p
I think I have a few guesses on who this might be, just based on the posting style. :D
I hope FreeSpace 3 never gets made.
Why? Because it will destroy all the mods already under construction (almost all of them). I think that we should just let the entire thing stay open and uncompleted.
I agree, and I think at this point most people here would too.
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Actually, I would agree with you Snail, whilst it would be nice to know the official take on what happened, it would never ever add up to anyones expectations, and would probably ruin the fun for those of us doing 'Semi-Canon' stuff rather than total conversions.
I'm willing to leave this open as long as no flaming happens, but keep Kara's comments in mind, I was here during the Smart incident, even got accused by him of starting the whole problem, which just goes to show how much attention he was actually paying. So I can understand why this is a sore-spot.
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Anyone remember the "There will never be a FS3" thread? :drevil:
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As large as it was, it was no match for TaS. :D
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*Resists urge to kill*
It's not so much the whole FS3 thing, but you suggesting that VALVE make it, of all companies. People flock to Valve like they're the best thing since sliced bread. They are, and will continue to be, a money-grabbing bunch of egotistical people that continue to tout the success of their 7+ year old game - you realize they, themselves, have made only two games, and people treat them as practically gods? Everyone flocks to Valve - Valve can do this, Valve can do that, Valve is mother, Valve is father!
No. Just no.
*Rant over*
No FS3.
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I fear that an eventual FS3 will be a next-gen game with an uber-graphic, that will melt down my PC since it needs as minimum requirements 5 GHz of CPU, 4 GBs of RAM, 50 GBs of HD space and a graphic card with 2048 MBs of RAM. But the thing that I fear most is that I spend a lot of money to buy a new computer, just to discover that the only better thing is graphic, with a sucking gameplay and an even more sucking plot. And no possibility neither of MODding, nor of making self-made missions.
Ah, obviously it will made for XBox users, so the PC version will be ultra easy even at "More-than-insane" difficulty. Time of completion: 5 minutes.
The worst nightmare. :shaking:
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OT (kind of): Its hard to believe that a search for "FS3" in topic (all forums) finds only one thread :eek2:
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Yea, because most other people are smart enough not to post threads about it.
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If it's not :v: it's not freespace 3!
The only way to get around that is to somehow get all original storyline writers to come together and write a third installment! That way it's actually FS3 and not :v: but even that would require somebody to acquire the license to the game. Nobody has yet come and bailed Interplay from near-bankrupcy but Interplay hasnt actually made any money as of late... theyre over $13 million in debt with some $500,000 earned... not good to say the least.
Just dont post about it unless you bought the license and are willing to let :v: make the game... :v: WILL buy the license if it was available... i personally want to make a few million, talk to Interplay, and buy the damn license and sell it to :v:!
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I'm not here to make friends.
Or go on cookouts I suspect...
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The sad truth of the matter is one of two things must happen for any progress and growth.
1) Somebody or :v: buys the license to the FS universe
2) Interplay bails themselves out of bankrupcy and are willing to do FS3 with :v: or :v:'s original producers directing the show.
Interplay only owns the license... it deserves little merit for what it does with it.
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I dunno, asking :V: if they would actually be willing to make it would be interesting...
But yeah. :V: is the makers, and really, if they made such a game, it would either be far removed from the FS2 era, or we would all ***** about them wrecking mods.
And die Interplay, die!
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Yea, because most other people are smart enough not to post threads about it.
Oh yes!
But I was surprised, to say the least, considering how many, many times this has been discussed :v:
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I fear that an eventual FS3 will be a next-gen game with an uber-graphic, that will melt down my PC since it needs as minimum requirements 5 GHz of CPU, 4 GBs of RAM, 50 GBs of HD space and a graphic card with 2048 MBs of RAM. But the thing that I fear most is that I spend a lot of money to buy a new computer, just to discover that the only better thing is graphic, with a sucking gameplay and an even more sucking plot. And no possibility neither of MODding, nor of making self-made missions.
Ah, obviously it will made for XBox users, so the PC version will be ultra easy even at "More-than-insane" difficulty. Time of completion: 5 minutes.
The worst nightmare. :shaking:
My thoughts exactly. :nod:
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Umm guys, I found a fresh blood trail in Carl's duct. Did somebody mention the Game We Dare Not Speak Of?
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Anyone remember the "There will never be a FS3" thread? :drevil:
I fed that thread more times than I can remember.. and I wasn't the only one! There were a small few and proud who did their duty. We kept that thing stickied even though it wasn't. TWNBAFS3 will always live on in our hearts! :p ;)
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What about :v:? Is not making any new game anyway... if their keep this is going directly to backrupt like Interplay was... and I think thats why :v: does not already buyed the license :P... or there is any other reason?
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Because A) Interplay won't sell it, B) they don't want it, and C) they probably don't have the cash to do it anyway.
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What about :v:? Is not making any new game anyway...
They are making games.
Frankly, making GTA is a bit of a fall from their glory days of Descent and FreeSpace, but it pays the bills.
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Valve making FS3 would be almost as bad as Derek Smart doing it. :p
Ok. Who the heck is derek smart and what in the world happened to make the name sound like some sort of inside joke among this forum?
That has to be like the 5th reference to that name I've heard yet nothing pops up when I stick that name in the search option :/ Whats the joke?
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I guess that just shows how bad the search function here is. :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart
http://follies.werewolves.org/
Basically, this guy has had some run-ins with the FS community in the past and was at one time thinking of buying the FS license and making an FS3. Someone else can probably go into more details.
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He's an ass hole, that's all...
Okay, actually, he's some guy who has good relations with Interplay and wanted to get the license to create FS3 from them. He made some striding comments on some other forums, saying he was going to make a completely new engine, ingore the SCP, and make up his own storyline. Seeing the quality of his othergames, people were terrified. He came to the HLP (his username is DSmart[3000AD], am I allowed to post that?) and began posting some extremely 'bad' things to members of the HLP. Started a flame war in the thread 'Derek Smart wants to develop FS3' and insulted many members. Then he left and continued on with Universal War or whatever it was called.
What I think FS3 would've been if Derek had made it would probably have been something like this:
You're on the GTD Something and you explore the universe. You can fight pirates and the NNTF or the NHOL. The game crashes every time a warp hole closes. There are FS1-style back grounds. You can fly in atmosphere but you can go right through the ground. The ships are super low poly models and use one texture.
I hope I haven't insulted anybody (well anybody besides Derek Smart anyway) by posting this.
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I hope I haven't insulted anybody (well anybody besides Derek Smart anyway) by posting this.
On this forum, if you've insulted Derek Smart, everyone else is nodding in agreement with you.
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Out of the ugliness of this thread, I do agree with one point that was raised. I have absolutely no interest in an open-ended or trading-based space sim (or, for that matter, pretty much any genre of game like that). When I play a game, I'm in it primarily for the story, and the way I see things, a true story doesn't have fifty different branches or 30 different endings. I always hated those "Choose Your Own Adventure" books as a kid, and my tastes haven't changed at all until now. I also can't see how ferrying cargo could be anything but utterly tedious. :p I don't think anything can top FS in my books; combine a compelling linear plot with amazing combat, and you've got an absolute winner. :)
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I'm in agreement, I'm starting to hate these "open ended" games (or in other words: we couldn't think of a story to tell, so you'll spend the next forever or two doing the same three missions *coughfreelancercough*)
Tell a story goddamnit. You can't have a well crafted beginning, middle, and end if there's 5 different middles and 15 different endings for each. (Or worse yet, when the 5 different middles have no impact on the 15 endings)
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Well, if fs3 did, it wouldn't destroy the mods at all. The mods would still keep going as there would still be a huge fan base interested in them even if they owned fs3. Everyone would probably be pulling fs3 compliant conversions, which i don't see why that would be necessary. Fs2 engine is just a modified fs1 engine, and they all use the same mechanics and pof formats and weapons and ****, the only difference was that fs1 engine couldn't do beams.
If fs3 came out, well, a whole bunch more mods would come out, and it would certainly put some mods into disarray, but you can't help that. Such is life, and things do heal after chaos, especially when enough people have beaten fs3 for the first time and come back here to hang out and check out the new mods and htl models like everyone else does.
Another thing. It isn't fs3 unless it's volition is quite true. I mean, who here saw x-men3? x-men3 was a horrible movie. If you thought it was great, plz rewatch x-men2 again and note upon the fact that it was building up for a plot and story that was completely different from the x-men3 that is on sale for dvd right now. Why does x-men3 suck(besides concluding all of the events in x-men2 in about 10 or 5 mins, cyclops gets killed right off the bat, and the fact that x-men3 would be no different if the pointless dark phoenix character had not been in the movie)? Because x-men3 was not made by the same people who made x-men1 and x-men2 :lol: x-men3 is horrible, it's just like the same route terminator 3 went...directed and written up by a ton of people who weren't involved in why the first movies were so great. Hence terminator 3 and x-men3 suck total dick :( The least thing this community has done was to keep the fs license from falling into the wrong hands which is highly intelligent and rewarding.
Derek smart would have ****ed up fs3 as much as x-men3 sucked and terminator 3 sucked because they grabbed different that just want to make a dollar off something popular :(
When you can't get the original people to do fs3(the reason terminator3 sucked is because the guy who did t2 died :D t3 should never have been made...just a story line it had to manipulate easily) you find people who at least do a good job at stuff and are dedicated and do care.
:v: for fs3, the best in the world
:snipe:derek fart for fs3, no one in ****sake, avoided at all costs(an intelligent battle long ago)
:cool: valve for fs3, would be a great move, hl1 and hl2 are awesome games, with awesome graphics, and one hell of a story. I don't think valve would fail at doing they're best with concluding the fs2 story into making an fs3 if they had at least the tiniest idea of what fs3 would be told from the horses mouth(that be :v: ) after someone purchases the license, volition might be a little more forthcoming, but you never know. After valve works their handiwork with stories, well...after that, we don't know how good valve is at making space sims other than fps's. If someone from here were smart they'd probably clue valve into development here at the hlp. But, valve is a much better decision than derek smart ;)
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WEll i say no to derek smart making a posible new FS ! But i do disagree with the idea of not having a FS x . All it could do is ruin some of the mods but on the other hand it could provide new game engine and new ideas for new mods and increase the fan comunity.
How about Blizzard working with Volition on making FS x . I mean they have some very good games ou there and they engines are quite good . Volition vould provide the stroy etc. and Blizaard would give the money to create a new engine and a new game. Also Blizzard usualy puts money towards advertising its new games. Just an Idea. But i know....FS 3 will probably never be made.
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:cool: valve for fs3, would be a great move, hl1 and hl2 are awesome games, with awesome graphics, and one hell of a story. I don't think valve would fail at doing they're best with concluding the fs2 story into making an fs3 if they had at least the tiniest idea of what fs3 would be told from the horses mouth(that be :v: ) after someone purchases the license, volition might be a little more forthcoming, but you never know. After valve works their handiwork with stories, well...after that, we don't know how good valve is at making space sims other than fps's. If someone from here were smart they'd probably clue valve into development here at the hlp. But, valve is a much better decision than derek smart ;)
[vader]Nooooooooo!!!!!![/vader]
If it ain't :v:, it ain't FS3!!
Death to Valve, death to Derek Smart, death to anyone who even thinks of touching the license. I, for one, am hoping with all my heart that FS3 is never made, because with the wait of FS3 and all the hope for it, whatever is made, will never, and I mean never live up to the standards that we, the members of the FS Community, have up for it. Nothing will ever be FS3, no mod, no wanna bee **** with the nametag FS3, no trash, no treasure will ever be FS3. Everybody has a view of what FS3 may be. Some may think it will be somekind of trash like what Derek Smart had in mind, or something like FS2 just with the name FS3, some may think it may be like Inferno with a ****load of new ships but no storyline (oops).
No one will ever make FreeSpace III, final.
Not Valve.
Not Derek Smart.
Not Scott.
Not even :v:.
Because unless it is some kind of un believably super spiffy god-given gift that everyone will undeniably like and no one will have a single doubt about it, it won't be FS3...
To hell with FS3.
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Snail,Snail....Now I'll tell everything to You-Know...
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Well, anyway.....
I no wanna FS3...
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I always hated those "Choose Your Own Adventure" books as a kid, and my tastes haven't changed at all until now.
You better not be dissing those books. Those were some of the coolest things I read back in the day. :p
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Heck, methinks some mods have better plot than some parts of FS2 anyway :D
:nervous:
:shaking:
:nervous:
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Snail... what would happen if on the front page of Gamespy was a huge article about :v: buying the license to the FS universe?
I would be thrilled with it! I would hope for a good canon sequel to FS2... only :v: knows true Canon for past and future of the FS universe
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Personally, if just about any one of us became fantabulously rich and founded a gaming company, what I'd do and I think any one of us would do is probably try to buy the rights to FS at some point. I wouldn't mind it because if we were really fantabulously rich, what I'd do and I'd bet anyone here would is not only buy the rights, but either buy :v: from that decripit THQ or buy the devs from them. "Here's major moughla if you develop FS3 as you had originally planned, hmmm?" If that fails, I'd buy the story of FS3 from :V: and develop it. I wouldn't mind cause it's not like any of us here would make FS3 into some sort of radically redesigned RTS or ship sim or BCM crap1 :ick: Any one of us, who had the opportunity to make it, would do the darndest to make FS3 like it was supposed to be.
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I've had bad experiences with a third game in a trilogy (as opposed to a larger series, like Zelda).
Anyone like Phantasy Star Online? Anyone remember the "idea" of turning a nice RPG into a CARD GAME?
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who says Freespace is a trilogy? I think it would have had some 6 or 9 episodes! It's an epic like Star Wars!! Only better!
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I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..
I've come around pretty much to say that the community now has the right to make the story however they want. I'd rather see a NEW game, a NEW story, sorta built along the same principles as Freespace, but with a better engine/better physics/better everything, like Bioshock kinda is to System Shock 1 and 2. If it's a space sim, great. If it's an FPS, that'd be neat. But quite honestly, with all the awesome campaigns created by everyone in the community, I'm glad that there's not a FS3 in the works. If there is, then great, and who knows, if an FS3 WAS made, I'm sure they'd leave it as open-ended as FS2 was, because the people at Volition KNOW WE EXIST. They've seen how big the community is, and they probably wouldn't go stomping on it by saying "This is the end of the story because we say so." They see a community of people making an old game better, with campaigns just as entertaining as thiers was. Maybe it's best to just leave it be and let the community tell the story from now on. We have great campaigns and even better ones on the horizion.
Blizzard + Volition = no way in hell.
Volition is owned by THQ, and whatever THQ says, Volition has to do. Although Volition has a lot of freedom compared to most developers (Westwood after the EA acquisition, hell look at any EA owned studio) they are still bound by thier parent company. If the parent company sees no future for a space sim then that's it. Unless you can turn a space sim into a cash cow such as The Sims, or a successful franchise such as Need For Speed or base it off of something popular like Lucasarts and it's myriad Star Wars games, it's just not going to happen! Quite honestly, Volition probably has the BEST parent company that can accomodate Volition's needs. EA is extremely restrictive. Hell, what happened to EA Westwood? Most bailed and formed Petroglyph back in native Las Vegas. Take2 has been in a bunch of legal crap in the past with the Grand Theft Auto series, not to mention financial trouble with it's stocks. (this was a while ago and I havent paid attention to thier financial standings right now) Leave them be, and let the community carry on the story.
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Maybe :v: should get their head out of the ass and help us with what we all want! Hire all the pplz here to work on FS3... if I was a rich multibillionare, (i might make quite a bit from my great uncles' wills... but i really dont care since i can make money myself) i would hire everyone here, all original storywriters, and then havea party to make a new FS!!
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So, bob-san, you'd buy them away from THQ? You think you'd be able to keep them afloat, and provide technical support after they release a title? THQ doesn't just own them, they provide support. You'll notice that Volition does not provide technical support for thier titles, rather, THQ does, just about like every other company out there. It's not as simple as just buying the rights and making it. If THQ doesn't think it's worth it, then Volition is probably not going to waste money on the rights.
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I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..
I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.
If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.
All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.
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Snail... what would happen if on the front page of Gamespy was a huge article about :v: buying the license to the FS universe?
I would be thrilled with it! I would hope for a good canon sequel to FS2... only :v: knows true Canon for past and future of the FS universe
I would be thrilled too, and I would get it once it was released, but for all it was worth, nothing will ever be my view of an 'FS -- 3'.
Even if it is really good, I probably won't be satisfied anyway. But I would probably be just a bit disappointed that it wasn't the best game ever created that still works on this old hunk of a computer.
Actually, if it isn't on a console then I'll be satisfied to quite some extent anyway (wasn't there a thread about someone from :v: saying if FS3 were made it would be on the console?).
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I thought that was Goober's E3 prank (or something), where there was a listing of games and Freespace 3 was in the list for the xbox 360? or did I misunderstand that too?
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I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..
I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.
If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.
All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.
That's why if I was fantabulously rich, I'd not only buy the rights to FS, but also the storyboard intended for FS3 from :v:. If I could, I'd either buy :v: itself or hire the people who created the storyline for FS. I'd also hire the musician who made all the FS tracks. Essentially it would be FS3 because it used the actual intended storyline for FS3, not some made up by me. It would also be FS3 in practice because the game would play just like FS1 and 2, I wouldn't change the physics at all, just make an all-new graphics engine. I think anyone here who had the opportunity would do the same.
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Problem is none of us are (admitted) millionares willing to spend our fortune on a game license...
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Problem is none of us are (admitted) millionares willing to spend our fortune on a game license...
Yep, which is why it's a long shot.
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I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..
I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.
If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.
All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.
That's why if I was fantabulously rich, I'd not only buy the rights to FS, but also the storyboard intended for FS3 from :v:. If I could, I'd either buy :v: itself or hire the people who created the storyline for FS. I'd also hire the musician who made all the FS tracks. Essentially it would be FS3 because it used the actual intended storyline for FS3, not some made up by me. It would also be FS3 in practice because the game would play just like FS1 and 2, I wouldn't change the physics at all, just make an all-new graphics engine. I think anyone here who had the opportunity would do the same.
If I was fantabulously rich, buying the FS license would be my lowest priority methinks........
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If getting the FS license was doable... i'd check with :v: to see how much they'll give me on profits... i'd write a contract saying that I get like 10% of sales from the game, that it must be advertised, and that there will be thousands of copies sold...
A millionare could make a few million more by doing that!
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Unfortunately, the world of computer game marketting is far from a certainty. Apart from simply owning the rights, you are talking about many times the cost of them for actually developing the game. I believe FS2 took something like $200K to make, it would most likely be double that nowadays with new technologies and requirements.
Even after development, you need to look at advertising. It's a proven fact that, in the current climate, advertising in computer games has more to do with sales than quality, market studies found direct link between advertising money and profit.
You are probably looking at around $750K to release a game with any kind of clout and with enough exposure to even stand a chance of making that money back. Freespace is not as big a fish as it appears to us ,else why aren't larger companies doing exactly what is suggested here and eyeing up the rights?
Because of the, let's face it, financial failure of Freespace 2, for whatever reason, this has made the whole franchise a touch and go affair, [v] would write it as a 'pet' project, but most other large companies are not going to be all that interested in paying for the rights for a game with an unknown quantity as far as sales are concerned.
The fact is that Freespace, love it though we do, is not that viable a license financially speaking. There's enough programmers out there with their own ideas that it is unlikely that any large company is going to fork out for the rights.
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Ah whatever... you should probably close this topic now that it's been explained to the guy that it aient gonna happen...
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I think we scared Evol Gee away...
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I think we scared Evol Gee away...
I think Carl ate him.
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I think we scared Evol Gee away...
I think Carl ate him.
Naw, I think he got vaporized by Carl like that the poor guy at the end of Hallfight.
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Maybe the shivan dildo got him
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Maybe the shivan dildo got him
What?!!! =o
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Okay, maybe I can permit myself to laugh at that...
Or perhaps not.
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Is this thread serving a purpose any more?
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I just want to say something...
After taking a look myself about what Obsidian do to the Neverwinter Series which the Neverwinter 2, -by far the largest disappointment of the year, after 5-years waiting-, How I can understand why all of ours opose to any develoment of an "FS3" by any one that is not the originals developers.
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Yep. It's also worth realising that having FS3 made and be disappointing could easily split the community between those who considered it canon and those who considered it a pile of ****e not worth bothering with.
Especially if it was made by a different developer from the first two games.
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Quick Question - Probably has already been answered before.....
Lets say Interplay goes out of buisness (a very possible outcome)
What happens to the FreeSpace rights? Are they lost into a void where no one can have the rights? are they sold to the highest bidder? does it become unlicensed and free for anyone to grab?
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I'm sure that if Interplay would go bankrupt, out of business, it will be due to someone else buying up whats left of the company shares, kinda like EA's done with countless studios. The rights would get transferred to another publisher, where they may be acted upon, or might sit locked away in a cold, dark vault, like what EA did with the System Shock franchise.
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Well, FS2 didn't sell well is probably due to the following :sigh:
-Frankly, I think the problems with the FS series is a sort of lack of involvement with the protagonist (I mean, look, you fly around inside a damn plane regardless of rank on every mission!)
-There are no side characters to keep you entertained (See Ace Combat 5).
-You don't make any decisions in regards of mission objectives (Save for fragging your allies or intentionally warping out at the wrong time).
-The story is quite depressing, but thats only how I feel due to witnessing the massacre at the last mission of the official campagin and the intro animation of the Great War. :(
-No one ever knows what the protagonist thinking, save for your own interpretation.
If anyone wants to write a storyline for FS3 (say [V], if they're still interested).
They would probably have to explain all the omg-wtf-is-this mysteries involving the first and the second one.
That would include-
Shivans -
*Where, why, and when did they started obliterating everything they see!
*Ross 128
*Capella incident
Terran -
*Whatever happened to Earth/Sol System. Hubble tells us there is now more to the Sol system now than we know then.
*Bosch's involvement of the NTF; the remanents of the NTF.
*Jump nodes! Will they finally go back to earth after spending a few more years building a knossos portal? Or will the Shivans finish one before them and invade from Capella?
Vasudan -
*Them hammer of lights... They're still out there and the destroyers have nearly obliterated the GTVA again (advocate again for the destroyers).
*The relationship between them and the Terrans...
What I think is the most likely scenario in FS3?
-After Capella. The warm-up of the protagonist (You) in rooting out more HoL and NTF leftovers (god knows how many more converts there will be after Capella, knowing the Shivans will come again).
-After all that stuff, you fly around to A) a small skirmish with the shivans B) flying first into Sol.
-Them GTVA goes back and find the Sol system in Ruins or in a state of war. As the first FS indicated, them shivans would have returned to Sol in a few years after the Lucifer.
-Terrans of Sol unites GTVA, they push the Shivans out of Sol before a second Capella occurs.
-Shivan comes back and bite'em in the behind with some super weapon (again).
-You (the protagonist) would fly a series of suicidal missions ranked as an admiral then along with your petty escorts in an attempt to save humanity once more.
-Assuming this is a trilogy, the alliance discovers a weakness or develops a supber-uber weapon to counter the shivans and end the conflict decisively, with the help of the protagonist (you).
that should sum up everything!
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Speculation on a project that will never exist... I've about had enough.
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Agreed, two threads on the same topc is pointless.
I'll merge this up tonight, no-ones done anything wrong, but there's no point to double-threads.
Locked for now, will merge tonight when I have time.