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Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Snail... what would happen if on the front page of Gamespy was a huge article about :v: buying the license to the FS universe?

I would be thrilled with it! I would hope for a good canon sequel to FS2... only :v: knows true Canon for past and future of the FS universe
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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Personally, if just about any one of us became fantabulously rich and founded a gaming company, what I'd do and I think any one of us would do is probably try to buy the rights to FS at some point.  I wouldn't mind it because if we were really fantabulously rich, what I'd do and I'd bet anyone here would is not only buy the rights, but either buy :v: from that decripit THQ or buy the devs from them.  "Here's major moughla if you develop FS3 as you had originally planned, hmmm?"  If that fails, I'd buy the story of FS3 from :V: and develop it.  I wouldn't mind cause it's not like any of us here would make FS3 into some sort of radically redesigned RTS or ship sim or BCM crap1   :ick:  Any one of us, who had the opportunity to make it, would do the darndest to make FS3 like it was supposed to be.

 

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I've had bad experiences with a third game in a trilogy (as opposed to a larger series, like Zelda).

Anyone like Phantasy Star Online? Anyone remember the "idea" of turning a nice RPG into a CARD GAME?
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Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
who says Freespace is a trilogy? I think it would have had some 6 or 9 episodes! It's an epic like Star Wars!! Only better!
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Offline Nix

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..

I've come around pretty much to say that the community now has the right to make the story however they want.  I'd rather see a NEW game, a NEW story, sorta built along the same principles as Freespace, but with a better engine/better physics/better everything, like Bioshock kinda is to System Shock 1 and 2.  If it's a space sim, great.  If it's an FPS, that'd be neat.  But quite honestly, with all the awesome campaigns created by everyone in the community, I'm glad that there's not a FS3 in the works.  If there is, then great, and who knows, if an FS3 WAS made, I'm sure they'd leave it as open-ended as FS2 was, because the people at Volition KNOW WE EXIST.  They've seen how big the community is, and they probably wouldn't go stomping on it by saying "This is the end of the story because we say so."  They see a community of people making an old game better, with campaigns just as entertaining as thiers was.  Maybe it's best to just leave it be and let the community tell the story from now on.  We have great campaigns and even better ones on the horizion. 

Blizzard + Volition = no way in hell.

Volition is owned by THQ, and whatever THQ says, Volition has to do.  Although Volition has a lot of freedom compared to most developers (Westwood after the EA acquisition, hell look at any EA owned studio) they are still bound by thier parent company.  If the parent company sees no future for a space sim then that's it.  Unless you can turn a space sim into a cash cow such as The Sims, or a successful franchise such as Need For Speed or base it off of something popular like Lucasarts and it's myriad Star Wars games, it's just not going to happen!  Quite honestly, Volition probably has the BEST parent company that can accomodate Volition's needs.  EA is extremely restrictive.  Hell, what happened to EA Westwood? Most bailed and formed Petroglyph back in native Las Vegas.  Take2 has been in a bunch of legal crap in the past with the Grand Theft Auto series, not to mention financial trouble with it's stocks.  (this was a while ago and I havent paid attention to thier financial standings right now)  Leave them be, and let the community carry on the story.
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Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Maybe :v: should get their head out of the ass and help us with what we all want! Hire all the pplz here to work on FS3... if I was a rich multibillionare, (i might make quite a bit from my great uncles' wills... but i really dont care since i can make money myself) i would hire everyone here, all original storywriters, and then havea party to make a new FS!!
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Offline Nix

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
So, bob-san, you'd buy them away from THQ?  You think you'd be able to keep them afloat, and provide technical support after they release a title?  THQ doesn't just own them, they provide support.  You'll notice that Volition does not provide technical support for thier titles, rather, THQ does, just about like every other company out there.  It's not as simple as just buying the rights and making it.  If THQ doesn't think it's worth it, then Volition is probably not going to waste money on the rights.

  

Offline karajorma

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..

I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.

If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.

All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Snail... what would happen if on the front page of Gamespy was a huge article about :v: buying the license to the FS universe?

I would be thrilled with it! I would hope for a good canon sequel to FS2... only :v: knows true Canon for past and future of the FS universe

I would be thrilled too, and I would get it once it was released, but for all it was worth, nothing will ever be my view of an 'FS -- 3'.

Even if it is really good, I probably won't be satisfied anyway. But I would probably be just a bit disappointed that it wasn't the best game ever created that still works on this old hunk of a computer.

Actually, if it isn't on a console then I'll be satisfied to quite some extent anyway (wasn't there a thread about someone from :v: saying if FS3 were made it would be on the console?).

 

Offline Nix

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I thought that was Goober's E3 prank (or something), where there was a listing of games and Freespace 3 was in the list for the xbox 360?  or did I misunderstand that too?

 

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..

I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.

If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.

All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.

That's why if I was fantabulously rich, I'd not only buy the rights to FS, but also the storyboard intended for FS3 from :v:.  If I could, I'd either buy :v: itself or hire the people who created the storyline for FS.  I'd also hire the musician who made all the FS tracks.  Essentially it would be FS3 because it used the actual intended storyline for FS3, not some made up by me.  It would also be FS3 in practice because the game would play just like FS1 and 2, I wouldn't change the physics at all, just make an all-new graphics engine.  I think anyone here who had the opportunity would do the same.

 

Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Problem is none of us are (admitted) millionares willing to spend our fortune on a game license...
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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Problem is none of us are (admitted) millionares willing to spend our fortune on a game license...

Yep, which is why it's a long shot.

 

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I thought the whole thing over "If It Ain't :v: It Aint FS3" was just to protest the whole Derek Smart issue back when it was unfolding. Hmm..

I've always said that it applies to anyone other than :v: not just DS. Here's why.

If someone were to buy the rights from Interplay they'd have the legal right to make FS3 for certain but what claim do they have to say that their story is any more true to the original plotline than say Inferno or BWO is? See if the game hasn't been made by someone who knew what the true motivations of the Shivans were it's not really any more an official continuation of the plotline than something one of us can make.

All their authority to make the sequal would simply come from them having more money than a random forumite.

That's why if I was fantabulously rich, I'd not only buy the rights to FS, but also the storyboard intended for FS3 from :v:.  If I could, I'd either buy :v: itself or hire the people who created the storyline for FS.  I'd also hire the musician who made all the FS tracks.  Essentially it would be FS3 because it used the actual intended storyline for FS3, not some made up by me.  It would also be FS3 in practice because the game would play just like FS1 and 2, I wouldn't change the physics at all, just make an all-new graphics engine.  I think anyone here who had the opportunity would do the same.

If I was fantabulously rich, buying the FS license would be my lowest priority methinks........

 

Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
If getting the FS license was doable... i'd check with :v: to see how much they'll give me on profits... i'd write a contract saying that I get like 10% of sales from the game, that it must be advertised, and that there will be thousands of copies sold...

A millionare could make a few million more by doing that!
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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Unfortunately, the world of computer game marketting is far from a certainty. Apart from simply owning the rights, you are talking about many times the cost of them for actually developing the game. I believe FS2 took something like $200K to make, it would most likely be double that nowadays with new technologies and requirements.

Even after development, you need to look at advertising. It's a proven fact that, in the current climate, advertising in computer games has more to do with sales than quality, market studies found  direct link between advertising money and profit.

You are probably looking at around $750K to release a game with any kind of clout and with enough exposure to even stand a chance of making that money back. Freespace is not as big a fish as it appears to us ,else why aren't larger companies doing exactly what is suggested here and eyeing up the rights?

Because of the, let's face it, financial failure of Freespace 2, for whatever reason, this has made the whole franchise a touch and go affair, [v] would write it as a 'pet' project, but most other large companies are not going to be all that interested in paying for the rights for a game with an unknown quantity as far as sales are concerned.

The fact is that Freespace, love it though we do, is not that viable a license financially speaking. There's enough programmers out there with their own ideas that it is unlikely that any large company is going to fork out for the rights.

 

Offline Bob-san

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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
Ah whatever... you should probably close this topic now that it's been explained to the guy that it aient gonna happen...
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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I think we scared Evol Gee away...

 
Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I think we scared Evol Gee away...
I think Carl ate him.
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Re: Yes I know this has probably been discussed to death already but....
I think we scared Evol Gee away...
I think Carl ate him.

Naw, I think he got vaporized by Carl like that the poor guy at the end of Hallfight.
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