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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Deepblue on December 04, 2006, 08:43:21 pm
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:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2606
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:jaw:
that is simply KICK. ASS.
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I made a *squeek* noise the first 3 times I watched.
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In the latest Game Informer magazine I recieved, one of the reviewers had the audacity to claim that Resistance Fall of Man had dropped a bomb down Master Chief's pants...
I can now affirmatively say that the Master Chief has just shoved a Meson Bomb up Sony's ass.
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Damn you, dial-up, damn you!
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Very impressive but.. which bit of that was live action?
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The beginning with the kids. I think it's John/Kelly/ as children in the Spartan program.
Hopefully it means that Halo 3 will acknowledge some of the sweet elements of the books.
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That's it?! Christ, the way you guys were babbling... :rolleyes:
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Are you kidding?
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:doubt:
Edit: And, again, perhaps this could be rolled into the bigger Halo thread we have going.
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Reasons this is WAY better than the E3 trailer:
+Acknowledges elements from the books.
+Demonstrates game play elements (visible weapons, Sprinting?!, darker tone?)
+Shield grenade!!!
+Attaching assault rifle to back
+First look at new brutes
+High action, rather than just standing and looking.
Reasons this is not better:
- Not the game-engine.
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visible weapons
I thought that was in Halo 1.
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No... All weapons not currently in use disappeared to magic land. Now they appear either on the back or on the leg.
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I don't really feel like getting into a debate over this, but what the hell:
+Acknowleges elements from the books. Irrelevant, as the average person wouldn't have read the books and thus it's only an homage to a niche audience. Nice addition to be sure, but irrelevant for the uninitiated masses, of which I am a part.
+Demonstrates gameplay elements (visible weapons, Sprinting?!, darker tone?) Irrelevant, given that it is entirely CG. Granted, the Shield-grenade - most certainly a coolies moment - likely foreshadows the appearance of that gameplay element ingame, but one can't honestly count on anything given this is clearly not ingame, nor inengine. Thus, one cannot claim 'gameplay elements!' when it is clearly not gameplay. For instance, I draw you back to that Call of Duty TV-spot a few months ago which was entirely CG. Was that an accurate depiction of gameplay elements?
+Shield grendade!!! See above.
+Attaching assualt rifle to back See above.
+First look at new brutes Not really sure what you mean, given that a fraction-of-a-second glimpse doesn't really count as a 'first look'. I don't really understand what's 'new' about them, either.
+High action, rather than just standing and looking. I'll give you this one, lots of action is rather exciting. Regardless, it has little substance. The E3 trailer displayed the technology of the engine, a glimpse of the story to come, and had some kick-ass music. Frankly, it was just better quality. I know a trailer like that most certainly wouldn't play on a 20-second teaser, and action undoubtedly plays better to the masses than a slow reveal and/or story elements that would mean nothing to the uninitiated, but still...
It's good, but nothing to go all bibbledy over. Sheesh.
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I like it.
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For 56k people:
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That's it?! Christ, the way you guys were babbling... :rolleyes:
QFT, man, QFT. Looks nice and all, but meh, little too short.
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Philly fans would have been REALLY pissed had it been longer.
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Philly fans would have been REALLY pissed had it been longer.
I can validate that personally. :p
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That's it? From Deepblue's and Cobra's reactions I was expecting second coming of Messiah.
BTW, don't link to some asx **** that cannot be viewed on any other than windows boxes. Thank you.
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it woulda been better for all if deepblue was kind enough to link the relevent gamepage on gametrailers.. like thus.
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2606
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That wasn't up at the time I posted. Srry.
That's it? From Deepblue's and Cobra's reactions I was expecting second coming of Messiah.
BTW, don't link to some asx **** that cannot be viewed on any other than windows boxes. Thank you.
There's a lot of fan service in this trailer. I wouldn't expect everyone to "get" it.
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It's not your fault, you seem to have been too busy "squeeking" to have noticed. :blah:
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http://halo3.com/index2.html
they're looking for beta testers
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Here's a HD version (http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_halo3_2_h264.mov) of this new teaser, if someone can't use the streaming video.
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it's already on xbox live, so i see it in 720p glory.
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Hopefully it means that Halo 3 will acknowledge some of the sweet elements of the books.
I read the books, the 1st one was ok but not really.
the 2nd was pretty bad to totally uninspired..... to be honest I thought it was terrible until I read the 3rd book then I had a new benchmark on terrible....... I so incredibly despise authors who are incapable of working within their own guildelines let alone routinely breaking the limits of any credibility.
the 3rd book see above it was worthless crap that ignored established guidelines set down by the game along with granting Cortana Godlike ability and superiority over everything........ just plain a terrible book.
all 3 books seem incapable of understanding that the Covenant are supposed to be technologically advanced by about 300 years, both Halo and Halo 2 show covenant weapons to be auto targeting as well as target id'ing and Elites are equal in most everyway to the Master chief along with several points within the novels where the author ignores the sticky nature of covenant grenades.... IE: a group of grunts jumps onto the master cheif trying to pull off his helmet to drop a covenant grenade inside?..... ummm on legendary 1 grenade kills and they stick so why bother?
yes I read all 3 because I love the game series and just really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt..... sadly the authors commisioned to write the books obviously did not share the same level of interest or hold any level of respect for the game....... rule 1 do not write the books based on the game being played on "infant level" try catering the books to the game played on "legendary" and stay within established guidelines not re-invent your own as you go.
p.s. I agree with everything Mustafea pointed out in his post and was that a new brute, or was it a flood boss/brute because the smaller ones didn't resemble any grunts I'm familiar with but could have born a possible resemblence to combat flood characters.
p.s.s. I've read somewhere that the Covenant and the Terrans were going to join forces to fight the flood and the shield grenade seems really silly.
all that said I was ok with the trailer but it didn't offer anything "exciting".
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Reasons this is WAY better than the E3 trailer:
+Acknowledges elements from the books.
+Demonstrates game play elements (visible weapons, Sprinting?!, darker tone?)
+Shield grenade!!!
+Attaching assault rifle to back
+First look at new brutes
+High action, rather than just standing and looking.
Reasons this is not better:
- Not the game-engine.
So it's really just the Halo version of the Killzone trailer?
Seriously, this isn't any different than the Call of Duty console adverts that got rapped by the ASA. Why the fuss? You don't see me plugging, say, Irn Bru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfiqrkV_ZqI) adverts.... I mean, it's a bloody ad. Advertisement. Nothing more.
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Reasons this is WAY better than the E3 trailer:
+Acknowledges elements from the books.
+Demonstrates game play elements (visible weapons, Sprinting?!, darker tone?)
+Shield grenade!!!
+Attaching assault rifle to back
+First look at new brutes
+High action, rather than just standing and looking.
Reasons this is not better:
- Not the game-engine.
So it's really just the Halo version of the Killzone trailer?
Seriously, this isn't any different than the Call of Duty console adverts that got rapped by the ASA. Why the fuss? You don't see me plugging, say, Irn Bru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfiqrkV_ZqI) adverts.... I mean, it's a bloody ad. Advertisement. Nothing more.
Deepblue likes to look further into things than necessary..
as for the Killzone thing, at least we know from the get-go that it's CG, so it's not -really- a bullshot. as for the new-look brutes, they look more or less the same, except CG-Fied.
Deep, it's an advert, not an actual display of game quality, you're gonna haveta wait until 2007 until you see something concrete involving gameplay features.
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Y'see, this is the thing. As with Killzone - or the Brothers In Arms, Call of Duty etc adverts - there's nothing actually saying this isn't CGI to the viewer.
Ultimately, though, this doesn't matter because the point is that this tells us about as much (if not less, because it's done as an advert rather than a 'concept' render, which at least attempts to give an glimpse of what the game is *cough* 'intended' to look like) about the game as, well, a game as the Killzone or indeed Halo RTS cgi does.
It's no more important in judging the game than, say, the boxshot or pre-rendered intro is. So why get excited over it differently to every other advert out there? Why not have threads for every CGI-ad we see for a game? And then people 'woot it'll be great' etc based on less than a minute of what isn't even real footage - it's like posting a trailer for a movie when the trailer doesn't actually even have any scenes from the movie in it.
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Why not have threads for every CGI-ad we see for a game?
you're tempting fate right there, meladdio.. :p
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Reminds me of the good old days when Amstrad cassette games carried screen shots of better machines on the cases so the actual game never looked as good as it appeared :doubt:
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well, I liked it. coulda been longer, etc etc...it was still a nice little bit of animation. and it was definitely ALL cg. watch the HD version if anyone is still thinking its live action at the start.
Which said, makes it really impressive how much more awesome the cg is for a 30 sec-minute long video game trailer then many major motion pictures that came out not that long ago. so come movie industry, if a video game ad can get it right, why can't you? there is no excuse for bad cg now.
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well, I liked it. coulda been longer, etc etc...it was still a nice little bit of animation. and it was definitely ALL cg. watch the HD version if anyone is still thinking its live action at the start.
Which said, makes it really impressive how much more awesome the cg is for a 30 sec-minute long video game trailer then many major motion pictures that came out not that long ago. so come movie industry, if a video game ad can get it right, why can't you? there is no excuse for bad cg now.
it could've been longer, yes, but don't forget this was made to show during a football game.. and you know how antsy those devoted fans get if you keep them waiting for more than a few seconds. :p
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Advertisements are nothing but lies and deception. They only wish to flash fancy pictures in our face so they can cheat us out of our hard earned monies!
Dear oh dear, say it aint so! :rolleyes:
Personally I think the best part of halo has been its largely unused back story. It makes a somewhat flat game seem alot deeper than it would be otherwise. They'll most likely aim to fan out and link as much of it to this one as possible, to make more canon-fodder(pun intended) for lucrative spinoffs down the road.
This is the hottest game in microsofts existing lineup after all.
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Which said, makes it really impressive how much more awesome the cg is for a 30 sec-minute long video game trailer then many major motion pictures that came out not that long ago. so come movie industry, if a video game ad can get it right, why can't you? there is no excuse for bad cg now.
Lets bear in mind this was a minute-ish long clip, made using game assets, set in a game world, and on a far smaller screen (note; the highest soon-to-be-deployed cinema screen is 4096x2160; 1080p is by 1920 × 1080 in comparison, and of course HD is still a minority broadcast medium anyways), and by a dedicated CGI studio (http://www.digitaldomain.com/ - although it's not on their site yet).
Crucially, the cinematographical standards are far lower for a 1 min advert than even a TV series.
So name a major movie 'not that long ago' that looks worse - and keep it in context. MS' cash would make sure they had the best CGI advertisers doing this, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking it'd be that simply to translate to an actual movie.
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Y'see, this is the thing. As with Killzone - or the Brothers In Arms, Call of Duty etc adverts - there's nothing actually saying this isn't CGI to the viewer.
Ultimately, though, this doesn't matter because the point is that this tells us about as much (if not less, because it's done as an advert rather than a 'concept' render, which at least attempts to give an glimpse of what the game is *cough* 'intended' to look like) about the game as, well, a game as the Killzone or indeed Halo RTS cgi does.
It's no more important in judging the game than, say, the boxshot or pre-rendered intro is. So why get excited over it differently to every other advert out there? Why not have threads for every CGI-ad we see for a game? And then people 'woot it'll be great' etc based on less than a minute of what isn't even real footage - it's like posting a trailer for a movie when the trailer doesn't actually even have any scenes from the movie in it.
How about the REAL LIFE kids. Furthermore, it does have elements of Halo 3 in it. Nothing was done by the studio without Bungie's direction. The use of the kids, the shield grenade, sprinting, weapons on back (already confirmed in game), heavily armored Brutes, etc.
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The kids are CG... or the image has been edited in a bizarre way.
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it could've been longer, yes, but don't forget this was made to show during a football game.. and you know how antsy those devoted fans get if you keep them waiting for more than a few seconds.
let alone how expensive that particular ad-space is.
The kids are CG... or the image has been edited in a bizarre way.
Polar Express style imaging? or pure CG.
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How about the REAL LIFE kids. Furthermore, it does have elements of Halo 3 in it. Nothing was done by the studio without Bungie's direction. The use of the kids, the shield grenade, sprinting, weapons on back (already confirmed in game), heavily armored Brutes, etc.
As I said, no more representative of the real game as a Call of Duty CGI advert. Hell, you're even reinforcing my point - it shows nothing indicative of the quality or working state of the game (it's a rendered advert). What is notable about it? Oooh, explosions. He runs towards a bunch of enemies. Fade to black. That's it.
Why is this notable? The main gameplay 'aspects' shown are a) you have a shield b) you can move forward and c) you can jump. Whoop-de-do. Why are we, in effect, having a thread debating an advert? Did we have threads debating the banner ads when we were at 3dap? This is nothing. It's an advert. A trailer. 60 seconds of guff to sell something that's not even in beta yet.
(NB: link - http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=1488&s=l
Moreso, the kids are either CGI or it's the worst art shot I've seen, intended to make them look like CGI. Why on earth would they use real kids? It only jarrs the inherent unreality of even the best rendered sequence. and why does real...sorry REAL LIFE KIDS make one iota of difference to the fundamental pointlessness and inanity of posting this topic about a ****ing advert? It's not as if they skimped on paying for it on TV, after all)
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1. They're only showing it once.
2. Your right, it is an advertisement. But again it demonstrates elements that will be in the game, hence the excitement. Like I said, I don't expect you to get it. For the majority of people, it's simply a reminder that Halo 3 is coming. For the Halo fan base, it means a LOT more.
3. Instead of griping about posting game-related content in the "Games and Gaming" forum why don't you go elsewhere?
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The kids are CG... or the image has been edited in a bizarre way.
Polar Express style imaging? or pure CG.
The official word:
"They lit it like that so that the transition to the second half wouldn't be too jarring, but it's amazing how many people have decided those kids are CG. Somebody said they got Polar Expressed."
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Not that I don't trust you or anything, but mind giving a link? I'm curious where you got that, I searched both Bungie and DigitalDomain's site and found nothing.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5024554&postcount=600
Stinkles = Frankie - Bungie's community guy - regularly posts.
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1. They're only showing it once.
2. Your right, it is an advertisement. But again it demonstrates elements that will be in the game, hence the excitement. Like I said, I don't expect you to get it. For the majority of people, it's simply a reminder that Halo 3 is coming. For the Halo fan base, it means a LOT more.
3. Instead of griping about posting game-related content in the "Games and Gaming" forum why don't you go elsewhere?
1/And it's been completely hidden since then.....what's your point, caller?
2/So should I post the next CGI trailer for a Brothers In Arms, etc, game and cite it as some wonderful thing? Are we to expect a new thread every time a tiny piece of news comes out (if you can call an advert 'news')? Christ, I'm glad we didn't use that procedure for Stalker or something.
3/I don't want to encourage this trend of not just putting CGI as game ads, but more importantly also of putting it up here for no good reason beyond advertising the advert. It's a game advert, fine. But it doesn't show the game, or game-playing (commonly shortened to 'gaming'). I'd rather not have this forum clogged up with new threads for every new advert released, thankyouverymuch. Moreso, since when is negative comment to be removed from games and gaming - is this for all games, or is it only Halo criticism you wish removed? (gee, let me think)
Ah, neoGaf. I thought I recognised your name on a Red Steel thread there... with the only comments being to say how much better the Halo music was. Hmm. Odd, that.
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:wtf: Is there not a link to the vid in the first post?
Are you always such a cynic?
But enough with the personal attacks. I reiterate, if the subject matter of this thread does not interest you, and your sole purpose in posting is to troll, why not leave?
P.S. I also cited Total Annihilation as something with better music.
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For the Halo fan base, it means a LOT more.
3. Instead of griping about posting game-related content in the "Games and Gaming" forum why don't you go elsewhere?
I'm not picking sides or anything but let's all get some perspective here for just a moment.
1 I've read all the Halo books, I bought my Xbox solely to play Halo and Halo 2 and I will likely be buying my Xbox 360 when Halo 3 comes out only to play Halo 3 so I suspect that I could be considered by some to be a member of the Halo Fanbase and to be solidly honest the advertisement was worthless.
it didn't show any in game footage so it had nothing to offer in the way of actual changes made in the game beyond the silly shield grenade...... and possibly a return of the MA5B assault rifle which would be a welcome addition but I wouldn't count on it given it was abandoned in Halo 2.
as a side note the inclusion of the Shield grenade in the video could be an example of some savvy test marketing with Bungie or MS employee's monitoring the forums to see how it was recieved.
as for the comment "if you plan on being negative then leave" let's just forget it was ever mentioned.
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if you got in on the beta you'd have most of your answers, and, gee, they're looking for beta testers...
I'm just surprised no one commented
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But will the X-button function be part of the beta? I'd think it would have to be for them to effectively beta the game.
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:wtf: Is there not a link to the vid in the first post?
Are you always such a cynic?
But enough with the personal attacks. I reiterate, if the subject matter of this thread does not interest you, and your sole purpose in posting is to troll, why not leave?
P.S. I also cited Total Annihilation as something with better music.
Since when did honest-if-perhaps-vitriolic (vitriol increasing with quantity, y'see) criticism become trolling? If you don't want any criticism of putting up a Halo cgi advert as the best thing since sliced bread, find a bungie forum or something.
On the subject of the Red Steel (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128380&page=2&highlight=red+steel) music thingy - and I really hate having to go back and do this (albeit do you even own said game? Isn't it trolling by your definition to criticise a game?);
I must have been spoiled by Marty, because I don't think that's anything special.
It's quality sure, but it lacks that extra something. It doesn't stick with you like say, the Halo theme and the many variations thereof do.
I still don't find it "amazing," but hey, whatever suits you.
amazing what you find when you go through a random link to see feedback for a game......
But will the X-button function be part of the beta? I'd think it would have to be for them to effectively beta the game.
Of course it'll be there - it can't be a beta if you can't actually test the whole thing.
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Why reinstate the Assault Rifle ? Using that thing was just plain torture. The Battlefield Rifle was much better, though they wouldn't let you carry anywhere near enough ammo.
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Why reinstate the Assault Rifle ? Using that thing was just plain torture. The Battlefield Rifle was much better, though they wouldn't let you carry anywhere near enough ammo.
they said it's not quite the same assault rifle of old... they're really candid about its capabilities.
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With real guns, an assault rifle and a battle rifle are two different beasts. Currently the big guns don't have much favor with military planners. They've been all but phased out these days except for a few roles.
What I'm thinking is that the battle rifle might have been the newer weapon here. Harder to come by for anyone operating in deep space and cutoff from the normal supply line. Everything you have in halo 1 came from reach or the pillar of autumns hold (lord knows when was the last time they resupplied from earth).
Halo2 is on earth some time later, where the standards may have been changing.
This second video, to me, seems like its taking place on reach. I wonder why he'd be there since we left him on earth... but if he is there then thats the weapon and ammo you'd have available.
If the last place he gets supplies between halo2 and 3 is from there, he would still have it on earth when the Africa cutscene is taking place.
Just a guess.
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the battle rifle was way way over powered in the 2nd halo on a level equivalent to that stupid scoped pistol, I liked the battle rifle but more ammo less damage would have been better.
Halo while an excellent game could easily be made better simply by making some weapons more specific, IE elites have shields making the battle rifle almost worthless but against jackals devastating, and against Elites a standard assault rifle is more effective.... Bungie should seriously look into it.
as for the MA5B I absolutely loved that weapon, huge clip fast firing rate and devastating up close truly a beautiful weapon uber fun to use.
on legendary I'd run straight at an Elite spraying a full clip into him as I side stepped and just as the clip emptied give him a whack to the back of the head ....... "flawless victory".
additionally I felt the MA5B was more indicative of the reality that the Covenant were supposed to be 300 years more advanced giving them a bit of an edge in regards to their shields...... if terrans are 300 years behind in technology it seems kinda stupid that a simple machine gun will slice through their body armor faster than it doese against generic body armor available today.
and I can't say enough bad about that stupid pistol in the first Halo I used it a few times and felt like I was cheating it was so overpowered. after that I simply dropped it and used the "inferior" covenant weapons that were only 300 years more advanced.
balance was a real problem in Halo and Halo 2 especially in multi player where tanks were taken out by sniper rifles. hopefully it will be addressed in Halo 3 a little better.
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The idea that the Covenant weapons were less powerful is absolutely incorrect. You just can't use them like you use human weapons.
I'll take a plasma rifle over an assualt rifle any day.
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If I understand the story right, the covenant just had better stuff from the outset, not that they developed faster or sooner.
They don't seem to own anything they did not steal from another race. Which means while they possess some advanced kit, they might not know the full details of how it works or adapting it to stop odd ballistic weapons.
Its a similar problem for humans who, despite having much covenant junk lying around to study, have not adapted it into our standard arms.
Both sets of weapons seem pretty lethal, just different.
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The idea that the Covenant weapons were less powerful is absolutely incorrect.
give me a break.
first the Covenant didn't get any answer to the human sniper rifle or even a scoped pistol until Halo 2 both weapons were vastly superior to anything the Covenant had as demonstrated by the Covenant when they couldn't even return fire at range..... 4 shots dropped an elite 1 headshot on a grunt and 1 backshot on a brute easily done with the sniper rifle...... 10-12 shots dropped an elite 1-2 headshots on a grunt and 1 backshot on a brute easily done with the scope on the pistol all the while they were either totally inaccurate or couldn't return fire at all...... and the game allowed the player to hold 120 rounds of pistol ammo to boot!!!!
the Covenant weapons lacked range, their was a lag time involved in their shots making them easily avoidable even at medium range, pick any Covenant weapon in Halo 1 and you would lose against any terran save the MA5B which would be relatively equal at short to medium range, yes without a doubt the Elite plasma rifle was pretty good at medium and up close but medium to long all of their weapons were worthless.
and for fun let's talk about the Covenant tank or the Covenant gun emplacements..... both virtually worthless peices of garbage that was compared to the human tank by any measure.... slow rate of fire, slow rate of speed for the tank easily avoidable, as for the gun emplacement 1 headshot with the sniper rifle dropped the gunner and it's fire was inaccurate and apparently they can't see far with it both easy to take down by tank, jeep and for the gun amplacement with the sniper rifle, the pistol and or a plasma rifle.
Covenant banshees were kinda good but you never saw the Banshee pilots using the 2ndary weapon in Halo 1 that was saved for the gamer.
let's examine Halo 2.
pistol bacame as pathetic as it always should have been, the sniper and assault rifle were as devastating again especially at range and the only answer was the Covenant sniper rifle which was prone to overheating and ammo shortages and because Bungie wanted to embrace the idea of dual weilding weapons the Plasma rifle was weakened and offered up in 2 variants, one had a slow firing rate the other less accurate and prone to overheating...... also the human rocket launcher in both Halo 1 and 2 was superior to the covenant equivalent although the covenant carried more ammo but less accurate and less punch.
I liked Halo and preferred it over Halo 2 because by simply dropping the stupid over-powered pistol at least I didn't feel like I was cheating and the game required some skill on legendary level.
If I understand the story right, the covenant just had better stuff from the outset, not that they developed faster or sooner.
you don't understand right, according to the storyline the Covenant are 300 years more advanced.
both sets of weapons are neat in their own way and personally I liked the plasma rifle in Halo 1 but that's only because I'm an up close brawler so the MA5B and Plasma rifle suited my style......but in Halo 1 the human sniper rifle the shoulder mounted rocket launcher and scoped pistol were vastly superior to anything the covenant had as was the tank without question.
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See, there's this thing called game balance. It would really kinda suck to play a game which was impossible to win. Covenant weapons were more powerful against shields, but weaker against armor/flesh. I mean, if all of their weapons were vastly superior to our own, then there really wouldn't be any reason to keep your assault rifle or pistol.
Anyways, the covenant did use the fuel rod gun in their banshees. I can personally attest to this, as I distinctly remember getting blasted out of my hog while looking for lifeboats on Legendary. That was annoying.
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I thought the Halo (1) assault rifle was a bit weedy, myself; I'd drop it as soon as I got something like a Covvie pistol. It was fairly useful against the wee Flood, though, from what I remember.
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It was fairly useful against the wee Flood, though, from what I remember.
Indeed. Assault Rifle & Shotty duo would mow through all things Flood like a hot knife through margarine.
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you don't understand right, according to the storyline the Covenant are 300 years more advanced.
The Covenant are not one race, but multiple races from multiple worlds. The two lead races got into a spat then were bonded together partially by religion, also by ones need for reverse engineered forerunner tech and the others need for strong men. Several of the lesser races were found along the way and clearly bullied into the deal.
There are few timestamps in the covenant storyline, but theres more than enough evidence to suggest that these guys have not developed in a linear way.
Edit: Now that I've pondered it a bit.
Story wise the covenant should be behind on tech and mental development.
The halo network, when activated (if it ever was), would have destroyed all sentient life.
Means everyone started who was "thinking" could only have started 100k years before stories start.
If humans are descendants or allies of the forerunner, their evolution could go back lord only knows how long. Where the covenant would all be new kids on the block... but ones who happened to stumble on better tech sources.
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There's no way you can run at an elite on legendary, spraying Assualt Rifle fire and expect to kill them with a melee blow. Even a low level Blue Elite wouldn't stand for that.
I'm lost without the pistol :shaking:
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Huh.
I was all about the plasma pistol on Legendary runs. Stuns elites and knocks out their shields!
Of course, this was less effective on the sequel, but still worked for me.
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Huh.
I was all about the plasma pistol on Legendary runs. Stuns elites and knocks out their shields!
Of course, this was less effective on the sequel, but still worked for me.
yeah, plus it had a much better rate of fire than the plasma rifle.
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There's no way you can run at an elite on legendary, spraying Assualt Rifle fire and expect to kill them with a melee blow. Even a low level Blue Elite wouldn't stand for that.
I did it at least a hundred times and I loved it every time.
"flawless victory", most of the time you could see the elite trying to rise up to fire as I closed in then finnished with the "whack" and he was done, on occasion a 2nd crack on the head was required but not usually.
See, there's this thing called game balance. It would really kinda suck to play a game which was impossible to win.
the problem being Halo wasn't hard to beat.
the game was easy to beat in general because the AI wasn't the greatest simply getting distance led to easy slaughters of covenant in all situations.
game balance and decent AI are 2 different things.
I agree though the MA5B sliced through flood heads like crazy and I loved every moment of it..... using the MA5B against the flood was just more fun.
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There's no way you can run at an elite on legendary, spraying Assualt Rifle fire and expect to kill them with a melee blow. Even a low level Blue Elite wouldn't stand for that.
I did it at least a hundred times and I loved it every time.
"flawless victory", most of the time you could see the elite trying to rise up to fire as I closed in then finnished with the "whack" and he was done, on occasion a 2nd crack on the head was required but not usually.
See, there's this thing called game balance. It would really kinda suck to play a game which was impossible to win.
the problem being Halo wasn't hard to beat.
the game was easy to beat in general because the AI wasn't the greatest and because getting distance led to easy slaughters of covenant in all situations.
game balance and decent AI are 2 different things.
I agree though the MA5B sliced through flood heads like crazy and I lvoed every moment of it..... on the whole I enjoyed using the MA5B against the flood the most it was just more fun.
halo's last level was winnable for one reason: roadkill.
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The halo network, when activated (if it ever was), would have destroyed all sentient life.
Means everyone started who was "thinking" could only have started 100k years before stories start.
If humans are descendants or allies of the forerunner, their evolution could go back lord only knows how long. Where the covenant would all be new kids on the block... but ones who happened to stumble on better tech sources.
your forgetting that 800 year gap in mankinds evolution we lovingly refer to as "the dark ages"...... remember the crusades, the inquisitions, the centuries where the Church withheld all knowledge from mankind and discouraged anything that they deemed went against the teachings of the bible.....
any race moving along the same timeframe immediately was granted an advantage.
that said yeah according to the storyline the Covenant are a compilation of species and have stumbled across tech along with developing their own and if their religion embraced tech as a means of getting closer to their gods then they benefited far more than we over the ages which would assuredly give the Covenant a 300 year lead.
also the storyline has shown that the Covenant socially are as evolved equal to the humans in regards to the prophets, the Elites and likely the Brutes while the grunts may be simpler the games hinted they aren't quite as stupid as they come off as while hunters are likely more animal than intelligent.
but yet again the books lacked any particular inspiration to go further than being superficial in regards to the game and it took Halo 2 to reveal a more in depth look at Covenant culture....... have I mentioned enough how stupid the books really were.
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I've always figured the Covenant stumbled across a kind of "tech stash" that had been intended for Humans ( as the forerunners decendents). I have nothing to back this up, just my own assumptions.
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one of the races not shown in the games but mentioned in the books is a worker class that is incredibly keen at assembly and dissasembly for the purpose of creation and application.
they hover around with tentacles and basically build and figure out how to build better and that's all they do..... they do have distinct personalities but their only genuine concern is making things better.
the idea that the covenant simply stumbled across a tech stash would be nicely convenient but would diminish the games series entirely, really cheapen it.
whats likely is that whatever planet the Covenant started from likely had some "pyramids" and they interpreted the writings to suit.... as for the tech it's possible but doubtful, the whole instructions how to use, and build more arguement really goese against the possibility as would the evident advanced tech demonstrated by Covenant cruisers which don't resemble forerunner tech at all.
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any race moving along the same timeframe immediately was granted an advantage.
The covenant seem just as unbalanced as us when it comes to religion and affairs of state. I think they would have suffered enumerable setbacks, just as we have.
All I take issue with is the idea that tech comes in preset stages. While they have better ships than us and nifty weapons, theres no assurance they understand whats going on in those systems any more than humanity at this point.
They don't even secure their network traffic from an enemy who regularly uses electronic warfare tactics.
That doesn't strike you as a tad odd for someone thats been going at this for so much longer?
What I suspect is this prophet race (with forerunner bits) posed themselves as a messiah to the big blue fanatics and together both races went about dominating all the surrounding star systems.
They've now got plenty of followers and found even greater things of mystery they cant even comprehend...
...but then come the humans who can turn all the widgets in these halos and artifacts on. The humans seem to have a native grasp for the tech (Cortana dances through halo's computer like its nothing) and can at times even turn the covenants own stuff against them (AI's don't seem to have much trouble ripping information from covenant networks, I can only assume they'd be able to shut them down or cause other forms of havoc).
Left alone, humanity would reclaim its old role as galactic power in a very short time.
That would be bad for the prophets. Who are now trying to eradicate us reclaimers/usurpers at the same time getting rid of the elites (who are losing faith) and looking to prove themselves by making something, anything, happen with regards to a forerunner artifact.
Thats my going theory anyway...
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They don't even secure their network traffic from an enemy who regularly uses electronic warfare tactics.
That doesn't strike you as a tad odd for someone thats been going at this for so much longer?
live and learn, first time for everything.
how long did it take for humans to decipher their language were others offered the time and opportunity.... doubtful?
if their is one thing the Covenant have demonstrated it's loyalty and focus and not opportunism..... humans chase the mighty buck anyway they can and at the expense of all others, Covenant strive to save themselves from a doomed existence, right or wrong purity of purpose and while they may compete the end goal is the same.
the reality that they began to guard against intrusions indicates they do know their technology and they know how to adapt it to suit..... this is a concept overlooked by the book series as it try's to hang onto the idea that the Covenant are too stupid to change all the while the author demonstrates that they can and do all the time....... it's one of many reasons why the Halo books suck so badly.
The covenant seem just as unbalanced as us when it comes to religion and affairs of state.
irrelavent, what would matter in affairs of state is stability which the Covenant have shown with the prophet caste in charge throughout and if the prophets were in control throughout then they would have a huge advantage over mankind born from a society of broken nations all striving to keep their own secrets from anyone else in a race for dominance that was likely achieved in Covenant society far earlier.
What I suspect is this prophet race (with forerunner bits) posed themselves as a messiah to the big blue fanatics and together both races went about dominating all the surrounding star systems.
in order to meet a new species they would have to travel space meaning they had to build, meaning they had to be intelligent, meaning they not only had to create but had to apply and innovate.... additionally it's not all about the Elites as demonstrated by the inclusion of the Brutes..... even if the prophets stumbled across forerunner technology one still has to learn how to use it and apply it to practical purposes.
the Covenant has their own distinct technology differing entirely from forerunner tech from weapons to ships and add to that their extensive knowledge of forerunner tech.
mankind had the "dark ages" stifling 800 years of advancement for the sake of control.... additionally mankind evolved in a society where it was all about the individual, the individual nation, the individual leader in the Halo storyline it wasn't until the Covenant showed that it became a fight for survival of the species...... and while makind screwed the pooch for 800 years along with another 1000 of self indulgence they did advance only slower..... to the tune of being 300 years behind the covenant..... like it or not that is where Halo begins with mankind 300 years behind.... and it would explain why mankind can't sort out Covenant tech considering I doubt any scientist from the 1700's could figure out how to program a computer let alone build for example an E6600 conroe processor.
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Surely it only indicates the Covenant have found more Forerunner tech........
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Surely it only indicates the Covenant have found more Forerunner tech.
you'll have to let me know how that matters.
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what would matter in affairs of state is stability which the Covenant have shown
...or lack there of.
Even at the peak of the prophets control there is distention in the ranks. Now that the elites have been expelled from the covenant and a prophets been assassinated, all hells broken loose.
This is not the behavior of a people who've mastered the art of diplomacy, more like power hungry fanatics.
while makind screwed the pooch for 800 years along with another 1000 of self indulgence they did advance only slower..... to the tune of being 300 years behind the covenant.
Thats a tad unfair...
With no timestamp and lacking the full background, We don't know how long each race mulled about on its own homeworld or what got them to travel space at first. We don't even know if our experiences with the dark ages were unique, or meaningful to the time scale.
Some of the speculation is suggesting halo is on the order of 100,000 years old. Plenty of time for each race involved to rise and fall multiple times. It only takes us ~5,000 years to dig out from the ashes of whatever put us here the last time.
If the use of artificial intelligence or building your own stardrive from scratch is not the mark of an impressively advanced species, I'd say being able to pump blue crap out of a pistol isn't much of a trick either.
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Surely it only indicates the Covenant have found more Forerunner tech.
you'll have to let me know how that matters.
If I give you a 1p, and I give, say, Dave a 1p, 2p and 5p piece, who learns more about currency?
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or lack there of.
Even at the peak of the prophets control there is distention in the ranks. Now that the elites have been expelled from the covenant and a prophets been assassinated, all hells broken loose.
This is not the behavior of a people who've mastered the art of diplomacy, more like power hungry fanatics.
agree to disagree Elites competing with brutes..... that's not dissention although their was mention of a minor rebellion brewing and both up until the very end of Halo 2 were equally dedicated and zealous with the Elites being the royal guard until the prophet was assasinated... the first time it ever happened apparently and it was the Brutes that started the war not the Elites so if the Elites were the chosen for so long their must have been stability all of that time given no other Prophets have ever died.
If the use of artificial intelligence or building your own stardrive from scratch is not the mark of an impressively advanced species, I'd say being able to pump blue crap out of a pistol isn't much of a trick either.
sigh..... have you even read the books? even remotely know anything outside the games?
Covenant ships are superior to human ships in every way, speed weapons, shields, maneuverability they usually slaughter human warships on a scale of 3 for every 1 of theirs and they generally only lose theirs not because of anything the Humans do but because the authors decided that the Covenant would refuse to maneuver when terrans fire a MAC round at them.... on a scale comparable to 1 minute between the round's firing unguided to actually reaching the Covenant ship, while Covenant ships can guide a plasma stream and even turn it around in the event of a miss to re-acquire a target and destroy it......... and without MAC weapons as admitted by the Authors the Humans would be dead. MAC (mass acceleration cannon=they throw a big nickel/iron ball at the Covenant)... very sophisticated.
Covenant ships can track any ship through slipstream they can also jump ahead of a ship in slipstream so quickly that they can summon other ships to meet them on the other side of the jump.
additionally Covenant are so adept with their technology that upon first encountering a Human AI and also having for the first time had their network hacked they have since learned how to outwit the terran AI Cortana, they've developed their own AI and they have changed all of their protocols in an attempt to avoid being hacked again..... doese this sound like an inferior race that is only capable of throwing blue blobs from a gun? additionally it's one of the many contradictions of the book series that the authors allow logic and initiative only when it suits the storyline and then throw it away the moment they need the Covenant to be incompetent.
p.s. given all of the above in addition to the "blue gun" comment whether you believe it or not the Covenant are as dictated by the game and book series 300 years minimum.... more advanced than mankind.
300 years minimum.
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Wow. This seems like it belongs on HBO...
Anyway, the books seem to indicate that while the Covenant have quite advanced technology, it is mostly due to stumbling upon Forerunner tech. Hence why a forerunner ship powers, or used to power, their holy city.
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Anyway, the books seem to indicate that while the Covenant have quite advanced technology, it is mostly due to stumbling upon Forerunner tech. Hence why a forerunner ship powers, or used to power, their holy city.
c'mon man.... jesus.
they've been searching for forerunner tech for as long as the books can mention they've based their religion on forerunner tech but their holy city was a forerunner facility they moved to and it has nothing to do with their technology other than they are sitting on it.
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Quote from Ghosts of Onyx (paraphrased):
"The Covenant doesn't innovate, they imitate."
Hence my above assumption.
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i'm am totally amazed...
amazed that ONE little teaser would cause all those conjecture!
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amazed that ONE little teaser would cause all those conjecture!
Bungie's a master at creating hype.
The regular fans were incensed since the blatant cliffhanger in halo2's ending left them desperate for more. The long term fans have been speculating since the cortana letters, and it only got worse with the first trailer hinting at the ark on earth and the second trailer linking a character from the books (?) to the main storyline (as well as putting masterchief on the wrong planet(?).
The games not due for months, so everyones gone nuts over any little scrap of info.
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Speaking of which, I think we can rule out any other Spartan's in Halo 3. :(
Ghosts of Onyx makes sure of that.
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The Covenant doesn't innovate, they imitate.
the authors contradict the comment constantly save for when it suits them for the Covenant to be competely stupid....... it's one of those "mankind is special" comments born from authors that have painted themselves into a corner and need a hail mary in order to get out.
sadly it's the authors need to innovate.