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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on December 13, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6176209.stm
Circumcision can cut the rate of HIV infection in heterosexual men by 50%, results from two African trials show. The findings are so striking, the US National Institutes of Health decided it would be unethical to continue and stopped the trials early. It supports a previous South African study which reported similar results. Experts said it was a significant breakthrough but could not replace standard methods of preventing infection such as condoms.
The two trials of around 8,000 men took place in Uganda and Kenya were due to finish in July and September 2007 respectively. But after an interim review of the data by the NIH Data and Safety Monitoring Board decided to halt the trials as it was unethical not to offer circumcision in the men who were acting as controls.
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:wtf:
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I'm almost afraid to ask how they tested this...
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Probably why it's so unethical. "Ok, all you men, sleep with this HIV infested whore..."
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wow kaz is gona be pissed if he can't comment on this!
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Circumcision can cut the rate of HIV infection in heterosexual men by 50%, results from two African trials show.
Woohoo! I'm 50% safer!
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wow kaz is gona be pissed if he can't comment on this!
Well, I can definitely see him jumping in and screaming "flawed test" or the like.
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Well now I know if I ever go to Africa....
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Um.. yay?
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I've been told that circumcision helps to prevent other infections, but how are they so sure its not just because of a change in lifestyle?
Leading cause of infection from any disease is ignorance of the thing spreads. Africa does not seem like a place where many people get extensive medical care. Wouldn't a circumcised male child already be on a better path than one thats never seen a doctor?
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In reading the article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1971635,00.html), I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the terminology and phrasings used... check out the parts I've emphasized:
Circumcision can halve the risk of a man picking up the HIV infection which leads to Aids, scientists in the United States said last night. Two major trials, in Kenya and Uganda, have confirmed what doctors and campaigners have suspected and hoped for several years. The results have major implications for the fight against the Aids pandemic raging in Africa and Asia.
Yesterday Kevin de Cock, head of the World Health Organisation's HIV/Aids department, said it could cut the numbers of infected men by "many tens of thousands, many hundreds of thousands and maybe millions over coming years".
The two trials should have gone on into next year but were called to an abrupt halt yesterday by the funder, the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, after an interim review of the data showed a halving of the risk of infection among those circumcised. Now that the point is proven to the satisfaction of scientists it would be unethical to continue. All the uncircumcised participants will now be offered the medical procedure.
Sorry, but: :wakka:
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and thus... don't believe everything you read. :p
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Maybe it's just the fact that those circumcised knew what AIDS was and how it spread/got better medical care? Fifty percent sounds a bit high.....
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Maybe it's just the fact that those circumcised knew what AIDS was and how it spread/got better medical care? Fifty percent sounds a bit high.....
Someone has to take Kazan's POV:
Or maybe the circumcised men weren't as attractive as the uncircumcised men, and so had fewer chances to acquire AIDS
and from the guy sitting next to me in class today:
It'd be like Survivor: AIDS! The winner is the one whose strain is most prominent!
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this would make kazan explode. and not in a good way :D
if you dont want aids dont put your pecker where it doesnt belong, like in a whore. that simple. if youre with a girl and she wants to **** on the first date, its not a good sign of things to come. most men just go "oh yea im gettin laid" but one must consider that she may have givin the same offer to all the guys shes ever met. not quite the place i wanna go. this is like cutting off your leg so you dont get a spranged ankle. common sense is the best weapon against aids.
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I still can't get over the fact that the head of the WHO's HIV/AIDS group is named Kevin de Cock. D'you think he did something to earn that position, or did his higher-ups stick him there just for the sight gag? :lol:
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I still can't get over the fact that the head of the WHO's HIV/AIDS group is named Kevin de Cock. D'you think he did something to earn that position, or did his higher-ups stick him there just for the sight gag? :lol:
thank you so much for beating me to that
this study effing had to be flawed, there is no way within the nuremburg code to pull this off
edit: accuratly
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I've been told that circumcision helps to prevent other infections, but how are they so sure its not just because of a change in lifestyle?
Leading cause of infection from any disease is ignorance of the thing spreads. Africa does not seem like a place where many people get extensive medical care. Wouldn't a circumcised male child already be on a better path than one thats never seen a doctor?
You're assuming that it's normally a doctor who does the circumcising......
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In reading the article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1971635,00.html), I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the terminology and phrasings used... check out the parts I've emphasized:
Circumcision can halve the risk of a man picking up the HIV infection which leads to Aids, scientists in the United States said last night. Two major trials, in Kenya and Uganda, have confirmed what doctors and campaigners have suspected and hoped for several years. The results have major implications for the fight against the Aids pandemic raging in Africa and Asia.
Yesterday Kevin de Cock, head of the World Health Organisation's HIV/Aids department, said it could cut the numbers of infected men by "many tens of thousands, many hundreds of thousands and maybe millions over coming years".
The two trials should have gone on into next year but were called to an abrupt halt yesterday by the funder, the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, after an interim review of the data showed a halving of the risk of infection among those circumcised. Now that the point is proven to the satisfaction of scientists it would be unethical to continue. All the uncircumcised participants will now be offered the medical procedure.
Sorry, but: :wakka:
aren't you Circumcised mike? :nervous: i mean thats is a part of jewish religion right?
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In reading the article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1971635,00.html), I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the terminology and phrasings used... check out the parts I've emphasized:
Circumcision can halve the risk of a man picking up the HIV infection which leads to Aids, scientists in the United States said last night. Two major trials, in Kenya and Uganda, have confirmed what doctors and campaigners have suspected and hoped for several years. The results have major implications for the fight against the Aids pandemic raging in Africa and Asia.
Yesterday Kevin de Cock, head of the World Health Organisation's HIV/Aids department, said it could cut the numbers of infected men by "many tens of thousands, many hundreds of thousands and maybe millions over coming years".
The two trials should have gone on into next year but were called to an abrupt halt yesterday by the funder, the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, after an interim review of the data showed a halving of the risk of infection among those circumcised. Now that the point is proven to the satisfaction of scientists it would be unethical to continue. All the uncircumcised participants will now be offered the medical procedure.
Sorry, but: :wakka:
aren't you Circumcised mike? :nervous: i mean thats is a part of jewish religion right?
I think Sarny is actually orthodox christian or somesuch.
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No he's a Messianic Jew, that means that he is a jew that believed Jesus was the messiah, Orhodox Jews are still waiting for the messiah to come!
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No he's a Messianic Jew, that means that he is a jew that believed Jesus was the messiah, Orhodox Jews are still waiting for the messiah to come!
Fair enough, except I didn't say Orthodox Jew.
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Someone has to take Kazan's POV:
Or maybe the circumcised men weren't as attractive as the uncircumcised men, and so had fewer chances to acquire AIDS
No, Kaz would be more like:
theres no ethical way to test this
--insert generic latin phrase only partially relevant to the conversation--
--bad translation typically meaning "i win by default" or "the theofacist bush government sucks because they like chopping off willies and lying to say that it's good to force radical religious ideas on me"--
--because the us health institute is funding this, it must be flawed--
it's a bad study---there's _NO_ way to test this outside of legal code
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No he's a Messianic Jew, that means that he is a jew that believed Jesus was the messiah, Orhodox Jews are still waiting for the messiah to come!
Fair enough, except I didn't say Orthodox Jew.
I didn't say you did, I was just trying to explain the difference between messianic jews and orthodox jews
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No, Kaz would be more like:
Just cause Kazan is monkeyed doesn't mean you get to make fun of him. In fact it makes it much more cowardly than when you did it before he was monkeyed as you know damn well he can't reply to you.
I'd advise you to stop unless you fancy your own simian avatar.
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We all know that they only assault Kazan due to insecurity over their own mutilated genitals ;)
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Either way they need to stop cause I keep being tempted to tell them to cut it out and we don't want to start down that path. :)
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Circumcision can cut the rate of HIV infection in heterosexual men by 50%, results from two African trials show.
Woohoo! I'm 50% safer!
Woohoo! It's easier for me to have a wank, so get it up ye! :p
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And the award for the most tasteless post goes to... :rolleyes:
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And the award for the most tasteless post goes to... :rolleyes:
As opposed to post after post of how Kaz would react were he here? ;)
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Cutting off someone's todger completely probably reduces HIV risk even further.
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Cutting off someone's todger completely probably reduces HIV risk even further.
That's not a bad idea, actually. It would end the threat of HIV in Africa, and solve any hunger woes they're having as well.
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That's not a bad idea, actually. It would end the threat of HIV in Africa, and solve any hunger woes they're having as well.
Surely the person who had to cook all those penises would end up with massive psychological trauma?
Although I know a few feminists who would probably be willing to give it a go. :p
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That's not a bad idea, actually. It would end the threat of HIV in Africa, and solve any hunger woes they're having as well.
Surely the person who had to cook all those penises would end up with massive psychological trauma?
Although I know a few feminists who would probably be willing to give it a go. :p
I figured he was just referring to the sudden population drop that would result in penis-less population......... one penis would only be, what, a chipolata on average, anyways?
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I know but it's much more fun to deliberately misunderstand him. :D
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I know but it's much more fun to deliberately misunderstand him. :D
Aye right, sunshine. We aw ken yi've goat fried willy oan the brain, noo......
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I feel like your accent would make that even funnier.
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I feel like your accent would make that even funnier.
Well, it's a phrase I normally only use ordering at McDonalds.
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As opposed to "haw, bawbag, geez some chips!"
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As opposed to "haw, bawbag, geez some chips!"
I'm not that polite.......
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Circumcision can cut the rate of HIV infection in heterosexual men by 50%, results from two African trials show.
Woohoo! I'm 50% safer!
Woohoo! It's easier for me to have a wank, so get it up ye! :p
Well, you'll only be getting wanks :p
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Circumcision can cut the rate of HIV infection in heterosexual men by 50%, results from two African trials show.
Woohoo! I'm 50% safer!
Woohoo! It's easier for me to have a wank, so get it up ye! :p
Well, you'll only be getting wanks :p
I stand by my record. Mainly because I can't stand behind it... BADOOM TSH!
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Aye right, sunshine. We aw ken yi've goat fried willy oan the brain, noo......
Goat fried willy on brain?
And I thought haggis was the most disgusting thing you scots liked to eat!
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aren't you Circumcised mike? :nervous: i mean thats is a part of jewish religion right?
Yeah, I am. Perfectly happy as such, too. :)
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Just cause Kazan is monkeyed doesn't mean you get to make fun of him. In fact it makes it much more cowardly than when you did it before he was monkeyed as you know damn well he can't reply to you.
I'd advise you to stop unless you fancy your own simian avatar.
I don't know if this was directed at me, but I wasn't trying to make fun of Kazan, or insult him in any way. I was merely responding to another post, and realized that my complaints (about the possible uncontrolled variables in this study) would fit nicely into what I've seen of Kazan's mindset.
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I know. It wasn't aimed at you.
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Just cause Kazan is monkeyed doesn't mean you get to make fun of him. In fact it makes it much more cowardly than when you did it before he was monkeyed as you know damn well he can't reply to you.
I'd advise you to stop unless you fancy your own simian avatar.
I don't know if this was directed at me, but I wasn't trying to make fun of Kazan, or insult him in any way. I was merely responding to another post, and realized that my complaints (about the possible uncontrolled variables in this study) would fit nicely into what I've seen of Kazan's mindset.
No, it was definitely aimed at me. On the topic, I don't really give a damn anymore what Kazan thinks of my opinions. Bear in mind, I have enormous respect for him, as he knows his stuff when it comes to debating politics and he always makes it fun to do so. Still, he tends to mouth off at people behind their backs (read: Liberator), and I wasn't particularly doing it in a hostile spirit as he tends to. But whatever, I got slapped for it, it won't happen again. :blah: