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Title: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Setekh on December 14, 2006, 10:29:47 pm

A third Stargate TV series is now officially in development. (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/12/exclusive_third_istargatei_serie.shtml)

The question is, what's going to be the premise? I take it that we won't find another Ancient outpost in another galaxy with an insectoid-vampire race waiting to be awakened... so how are they going to spin this one off? There must be a new big villain. I wonder if it could be the Furlings at last...

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Mefustae on December 14, 2006, 10:35:15 pm

They'll probably unveil the new premise towards the end of SG1's run next year, or perhaps Atlantis at the end of Season 4 in 2008, likely having it shoot off directly ala Atlantis at the end of Season 7 SG1. It'd be nice if they kept the old Star Trek franchise tradition with the previous series sending off the new one for the pilot, which they did with Atlantis in 'Rising', and they'll hopefully do in this new series' Pilot only with the Atlantis team conducting the send-off.

Now, the Furlings... face it, we're never going to see 'em. It was a silly name to begin with and they'll probably just fade from memory ala the Zat's power to disintegrate. We got giant Koalas for '200' and we have to live with 'em, damnit!

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 02:51:08 am

Stargate SG-2?

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Ashrak on December 15, 2006, 05:38:33 am

Quote from: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 02:51:08 am

Stargate SG-2?

dont those guys die on every mission?

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 06:14:50 am

Quote from: Ashrak on December 15, 2006, 05:38:33 am

Quote from: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 02:51:08 am

Stargate SG-2?

dont those guys die on every mission?

Keeps the cast costs cheap.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 12:21:12 pm

I posted this on a stargate forum, this is what I'd like, a ship series finally

Stargate: Tempest

The USAF prospero, a new combination of technologies goa uld, ancient, asgard and..... FURLING is tested, and it's drive system, going terribly wrong, strands the crew in extradimensional space, ninth chevron time, and hangin' out with ancients time

also we can play with time travel, alternaternate timelines, all that fun stuff that sci fi people freakin' love in an extradimensional tempest, all the while being hunted by what initially seem to be dumb creaturse, but are later discovered to be incredibly intelligent sentient ascended beings

we get to leave the ship, say every (insert number of hours that has astronomical significance) and do missions and pick up supplies, but get ripped back to the ship, via the stargate and ninth chevron we can get back, but we can't explore new without the x number of hours pulldown, we could develop <fairly early in the season to cut down on the annoyance factor> a device that makes it so only part of the ship is vulnerable to the pulldown, and they want to explore anyhow, and have to for supplies and to try to find a way to get out of extradimensional space


it's more complicated than tthat, and there are plotholes, but, I dunno, I think it has potential

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 01:57:43 pm

I still think having human spaceships is against the very ethos of Stargate, myself.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: spartan_0214 on December 15, 2006, 02:19:35 pm

'Cept that one ship they made about 3/5 of the way through the series. Called the Dedalus right?

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 02:54:37 pm

I mean in the star trek ship as a primary setting sense

they also have the prometheus and the oddysey if we want to say "have they done ships"

I wouldn't cry if they were on an asgard ship instead

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Ashrak on December 15, 2006, 04:17:32 pm

the prometheus got nuked ages ago

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 04:22:43 pm

have, past tense

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 04:30:51 pm

Quote from: spartan_0214 on December 15, 2006, 02:19:35 pm

'Cept that one ship they made about 3/5 of the way through the series. Called the Dedalus right?

They have, ummm, something like 5 ships;

Spoiler:

Prometheus (destroyer), Koralev (destroyed), Daedelus, Apollo (finale of Atlantis S3), and Odysseus

.

I just think Stargate worked best when it was set in a believable scenario, i.e. something you could envisage if we did discover an artificial wormhole network.  When they introduced starships for Earth, I just though that it was getting a bit outlandish and cliched, giving into sci-fi convention.  Even if the Prometheus et al are really cool.  Same applies to a Star Trek scenario, especially one set in some outlandish new dimension with hypertech; I hate that - at least BSG has a civillian fleet that lends character story, and a rough grounding in some idea of 'reality' - because it eventually becomes ludicrous.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Ace on December 15, 2006, 04:37:44 pm

I do think it would have been much more interesting if ships were limited to only a few of the most powerful 'gods' such as Ra and Apophis as their thrones. Earth and even the other technologically advanced races would be stuck with just gates and maybe teleportation for the Asgard.

Then you avoid it being like Trek later on.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 05:10:26 pm

see, now for me, they've opened up the tech tree box, they need to go down that path now, and they need to do it better than they have been, which is perhaps asking for two contrary ideals

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 15, 2006, 05:47:52 pm

Quote from: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 05:10:26 pm

see, now for me, they've opened up the tech tree box, they need to go down that path now, and they need to do it better than they have been, which is perhaps asking for two contrary ideals

I think if you do that, to be honest, IMO it's not really Stargate but a new sci-fi trading off the name recognition.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 07:55:28 pm

they already forfeit it being stargate long ago by hat logic

anyhow from what I understand they've approached micheal shanks about being the lead, it's looking like it's going to be the daniel\vala show

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Unknown Target on December 15, 2006, 08:50:28 pm

Quote from: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 12:21:12 pm

I posted this on a stargate forum, this is what I'd like, a ship series finally

Stargate: Tempest

The USAF prospero, a new combination of technologies goa uld, ancient, asgard and..... FURLING is tested, and it's drive system, going terribly wrong, strands the crew in extradimensional space, ninth chevron time, and hangin' out with ancients time

also we can play with time travel, alternaternate timelines, all that fun stuff that sci fi people freakin' love in an extradimensional tempest, all the while being hunted by what initially seem to be dumb creaturse, but are later discovered to be incredibly intelligent sentient ascended beings

we get to leave the ship, say every (insert number of hours that has astronomical significance) and do missions and pick up supplies, but get ripped back to the ship, via the stargate and ninth chevron we can get back, but we can't explore new without the x number of hours pulldown, we could develop <fairly early in the season to cut down on the annoyance factor> a device that makes it so only part of the ship is vulnerable to the pulldown, and they want to explore anyhow, and have to for supplies and to try to find a way to get out of extradimensional space


it's more complicated than tthat, and there are plotholes, but, I dunno, I think it has potential

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I mean in the star trek ship as a primary setting sense

they also have the prometheus and the oddysey if we want to say "have they done ships"

I wouldn't cry if they were on an asgard ship instead

So the premise of this series that you're proposing is that the intrepid crew travels throughout the galaxy, going through time warps, discovering alien races, engaging in diplomatic discourse with said aliens, discovering strange new worlds, and boldly going where no man has gone before?

Wait...hasn't that already been done?

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 09:06:47 pm

I was more thinking pulled into different aspects of time space, initially forcibly, then by choice <ninth chevron> say one episode they are pulled to the SGC three years in the past, or to some planet on the other end of the universe, or whatever, and they don't really get a choice where they go initially <later for some b.s. explanation they can gate there a la ninth chevron> so they might get into really dreadful situations, get to recycle costumes, so we get that hit of nostalgia now and then <how big is the universe, what are the odds of landing in the milky way or pegasus> but generally we are dealing with malevolent extradimensional beings

it has a great deal of deep plot potential just in the fact that they would have to get pockets of time "unlocked" <which would age parallel to them> so it would be awhile till they could get actual help from the SGC, either from a future sgc or a present one <to prevent all those nasty paradoxical happenings, and it would almost have to be future so as to create a disincentive for the crew to go back and just abandon ship>

they woouldn't be STRANDED stranded, but they would have all the normal aspects of strandedness in terms of plot motivation

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Unknown Target on December 15, 2006, 09:18:04 pm

...so instead of straight up Star Trek, it'd be Star Trek: Voyager crossed with Dr. Who?

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 11:35:28 pm

dunno, never seen doctor who

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: IceFire on December 15, 2006, 11:39:28 pm

Quote from: Quest_techie on December 15, 2006, 11:35:28 pm

dunno, never seen doctor who

You pretty much described Dr. Who...but without the quirky Doctor.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Ace on December 16, 2006, 12:39:45 am

Meh, speaking of replacements I'd love to see Trek carried off in a bold new step forward.

You know, big ship with a crew including pretty much all the races we know and love going to other galaxies. Deal with races like the Andromedans, the machine planet that made V'Ger, etc.

If you need a villain, how about the race that seeded the humanoids? Have their society collapse, and the few people who harness their technology set themselves up as mage-lords. The difference between it and the cliche' chariot of the gods thing? They actually do think it's magic and not technology. (Solves my issue with Stargate which is why do so many non-gould have access to starship systems which by their very nature show that the gould aren't gods? If they had to have ships having them mind controlled like the Ori would make sense to keep the ruse...) ...and who wouldn't think it cool to see aliens in funny robes firing mini photon torpedoes like magic missiles?

Of course the two taboos would be not having extradimensional aliens or time travel. Except for two set aside multipart episodes. Godlike aliens welcome, but the fangasm tech that the Federation explorer team has is enough to make them more comic relief. (Trelane tries to teleport the team and finds his fingers hurting and the Andorian scientist smirking)

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 16, 2006, 01:27:47 am

Dammit you beat me too it... Like Voyager, but don't make it lame...  :lol:

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2006, 10:18:50 am

Both Star Trek and Stargate need to descent down from the hightech fantasy heavens. No more godlike awesome pwner mystic omnipotent wizard races. Or are we humans so badass dudes that no ordinary race can stand up against us? Remember Enterprise season 3? I liked it. The Xinthi were cool because they were just another race. Granted that they were manipulated by extradimensional beings, but that didn't really make much difference until the end...

I want to see down to earth man-to-man fair bloody fight for every inch of space/wormhole. Not some uber evil techno gods that no one stands a chance against, except the regular egghead who comes up with an idea to convert a desklamp in to a technothingamajing which kills every evil space god in the universe.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Centrixo on December 20, 2006, 10:38:50 am

i think this new stargate series is to co-incide with stargate mmorpg and thier launching, i think this is all one last effort push before they, a) either get swallowed up by bsg or startrek, or b) they die out.

I am certain startrek will open another new series based on the romulan side of affairs with the federation, if not based on another star ship within the federation.(new startrek movie to be lanched around the same time of stargate)

either way more sci-fi means, i am not left wondering if sci-fi will be gone complelty from free to view tv.
If this stargate is launched in 2008 then its mostly likely going hit free tv in the uk in late 2009.

but i would like to see if the gou'ld truly die along with any system lords that remain, roll on stargate : <noname>

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: spartan_0214 on December 20, 2006, 10:41:00 am

Awww, but I like the Ori except for the fact they can't be killed by a P-90 :(

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: neo_hermes on December 25, 2006, 05:16:51 am

Quote from: Prophet on December 20, 2006, 10:18:50 am

Both Star Trek and Stargate need to descent down from the hightech fantasy heavens. No more godlike awesome pwner mystic omnipotent wizard races. Or are we humans so badass dudes that no ordinary race can stand up against us? Remember Enterprise season 3? I liked it. The Xinthi were cool because they were just another race. Granted that they were manipulated by extradimensional beings, but that didn't really make much difference until the end...

I want to see down to earth man-to-man fair bloody fight for every inch of space/wormhole. Not some uber evil techno gods that no one stands a chance against, except the regular egghead who comes up with an idea to convert a desklamp in to a technothingamajing which kills every evil space god in the universe.

Why the hell do i keep thinking of B5 and Space above and beyond...*grabs a drill and uses it on his head.*

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: starbug on December 25, 2006, 06:10:37 am

I am glad that they are ending the Ori storyline in the 2 direct to DVD movies, i hope in this new series the villians won't be all godlike beings to, i miss the goa'uld they may have advanced tech(stolen) but they are more believable than the Ori.

Just hope it will be as good as Atlantis is, i may get flamed for this but i now just mainly watch Atlantis, S10 of SG1 seems to be lacking a certain something that made the previous series so good, i just can't put my finger on it.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Mars on December 25, 2006, 02:15:00 pm

Quote from: starbug on December 25, 2006, 06:10:37 am

I am glad that they are ending the Ori storyline in the 2 direct to DVD movies, i hope in this new series the villians won't be all godlike beings to, i miss the goa'uld they may have advanced tech(stolen) but they are more believable than the Ori.

Just hope it will be as good as Atlantis is, i may get flamed for this but i now just mainly watch Atlantis, S10 of SG1 seems to be lacking a certain something that made the previous series so good, i just can't put my finger on it.

Maybe the fact it sucks

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: achtung on December 25, 2006, 03:32:17 pm

Quote from: Mars on December 25, 2006, 02:15:00 pm

Quote from: starbug on December 25, 2006, 06:10:37 am

I am glad that they are ending the Ori storyline in the 2 direct to DVD movies, i hope in this new series the villians won't be all godlike beings to, i miss the goa'uld they may have advanced tech(stolen) but they are more believable than the Ori.

Just hope it will be as good as Atlantis is, i may get flamed for this but i now just mainly watch Atlantis, S10 of SG1 seems to be lacking a certain something that made the previous series so good, i just can't put my finger on it.

Maybe the fact it sucks

I like to call it "lack of originality".

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Centrixo on December 25, 2006, 03:43:24 pm

need jack o'neill back. hes funny.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 27, 2006, 04:20:59 pm

Direct to DVD? kind of a cop out but it's better than nothing...

Besdies, I have plans for our dear Jaffa Teal'c...

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Quest_techie on December 27, 2006, 05:02:33 pm

I want deep characters damnit

they need better writers and cheaper actors, no more of this beau bridges nonsense

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Centrixo on December 27, 2006, 09:03:57 pm

when i finally get to see season 10 of sg-1 on channel 4.

i want to see what Ben(jamin) Browder and Claudia Black can do in the sg world(please no fking spoilers thanks).

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Huggybaby on December 27, 2006, 10:24:25 pm

Maybe they'll return to manly men and womanly women. All the shows now the men and women are the same, except for the clothes. (Hmm, now that I think about it, the clothes are the same too.)

Hollywood's PC idea of the future.

Oh well, I can always take refuge in classic Star Trek reruns.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Mefustae on December 27, 2006, 11:00:22 pm

Quote from: Huggybaby on December 27, 2006, 10:24:25 pm

Maybe they'll return to manly men and womanly women. All the shows now the men and women are the same, except for the clothes. (Hmm, now that I think about it, the clothes are the same too.)

Yeah, exactly! Get back in the ****ing kitchen, ladies!

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: IceFire on December 27, 2006, 11:05:29 pm

Quote from: Huggybaby on December 27, 2006, 10:24:25 pm

Maybe they'll return to manly men and womanly women. All the shows now the men and women are the same, except for the clothes. (Hmm, now that I think about it, the clothes are the same too.)

Hollywood's PC idea of the future.

Oh well, I can always take refuge in classic Star Trek reruns.

Mmmm...this seems rather like real life to me.

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Ace on December 28, 2006, 12:14:15 am

Quote from: Huggybaby on December 27, 2006, 10:24:25 pm

Hollywood's PC idea of the future.

Oh well, I can always take refuge in classic Star Trek reruns.

By Star Trek reruns you mean the pilot where women wore pants and the XO was a strong-willed brunette. Or do you mean the concessions made to Hollywood's PC idea of the future where women had to wear short skirts and be bare-foot pregnant in the kitchen? Exemplified in the oh-so-classic example of: ZOMG! Khan is beefcake! Have sex with me after slapping me and nearly killing everyone I know! Oh yes, I want that genetically modified exotic piece of ass!  :rolleyes:

Face it, you wouldn't know what to do if you were in a room with manly men or womanly women :p

Title: Re: SG-1's replacement?
Post by: Huggybaby on December 28, 2006, 12:25:00 am

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the future where women had to wear short skirts

Yes, that's the one! And they didn't have to, they wanted to, and they liked it!

I'm not talking about the one after that, the one where the bald headed weak guy says "Come" and the hermaphrodite "Wezley" all too willingly complies. LOL

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Face it, you wouldn't know what to do if you were in a room with manly men or womanly women

But unlike the metrosexual castrati youth of today, I'm willing to learn!

<edit> This guy is another prime example:
(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/f/f7/David_marcus.jpg)

Maybe the wiki is on to something? (http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/David_Marcus)

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David's closeted scientific world