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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Upgrade Project => Topic started by: WeatherOp on January 19, 2007, 08:52:56 pm
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Bah Fear the RAM! :D
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1713/1ri3.jpg)
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4617/2co0.jpg)
Have no fear, Weatherop is here, and he's gonna... oh no! he's gonna slaughter another beautiful shivan ship. And there isn't nothin you can do about it. :drevil:
If you don't like this, have fear... this is only the beginning.
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Perfect ball for Colossus to hit a homerun against Shivans... :drevil:
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HTL Demon?
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If that's the Demon I'm going to murder you.
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If that's the Demon I'm going to murder you.
Then you better get me before another update...
Ohh, you phail. ;7
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(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6272/362274049ms.jpg)
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What...did...you...do?!
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:wtf:
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Hilarious! Those silly purists will never know what hit them when you make a HTL version of something that looks completely different and will never be accepted! Will they ever learn? :lol: Let's just make everything totally different, that's the way!
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Then you better get me before another update...
Ohh, you phail. ;7
Did I say when? I did not.
As likely as it is to end the universe by my agreeing with Pnak given our history, he's right you know. From ingame to cutsences this is just not going to work except for some odd one-off-mod.
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Besides, how are you going to get the turrets that sit on the side of the head in there with those silly horns in the way?
The actual armoured covering looks okay, but those horns have to go.
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Besides, how are you going to get the turrets that sit on the side of the head in there with those silly horns in the way?
The actual armoured covering looks okay, but those horns have to go.
The only turrets on the sides of the head are the main cannons and there is a place to put them.
Hilarious! Those silly purists will never know what hit them when you make a HTL version of something that looks completely different and will never be accepted! Will they ever learn? :lol: Let's just make everything totally different, that's the way!
Yeah that is really too bad, FS purists are so dumb. Then we wonder, why does no one try to remodel these ships anyways.
But, acceptance isn't what I'm going for, this is pure fun. :D
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Why are purists "dumb," anyway? Because we want to keep the models looking like the ones we've loved for years? Because we think that :v: did a pretty damn good job designing their ships? Because we don't see the point in changing a ship to a level which completely negates any resemblance to the original?
(And, for the record, I'm 67% or so sure that Pnakotus was employing the fine art of sarcasm. :p)
Don't get me wrong here; I'm not bashing what you're working on, or your right as a modeler to make any changes to any ship you want, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Hell, you could hang a giant disco ball from the bottom of the Demon for all I care. (Come to think of it, there's at least one campaign maker out there who'd love that...) And, to be honest, I think that those horns look pretty damn cool. However, by you creating this topic in the Upgrade forum, you're semi-implying that it's intended as a revamping of a canon ship, not a total change. I really wouldn't have any problem with this at all had you created this thread in Modding. However, the way I see it, this forum is generally intended for HTL upgrades to ship models, not all-out re-imagining of them.
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Why are purists "dumb," anyway? Because we want to keep the models looking like the ones we've loved for years? Because we think that :v: did a pretty damn good job designing their ships? Because we don't see the point in changing a ship to a level which completely negates any resemblance to the original?
(And, for the record, I'm 67% or so sure that Pnakotus was employing the fine art of sarcasm. :p)
Don't get me wrong here; I'm not bashing what you're working on, or your right as a modeler to make any changes to any ship you want, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Hell, you could hang a giant disco ball from the bottom of the Demon for all I care. (Come to think of it, there's at least one campaign maker out there who'd love that...) And, to be honest, I think that those horns look pretty damn cool. However, by you creating this topic in the Upgrade forum, you're semi-implying that it's intended as a revamping of a canon ship, not a total change. I really wouldn't have any problem with this at all had you created this thread in Modding. However, the way I see it, this forum is generally intended for HTL upgrades to ship models, not all-out re-imagining of them.
I know he was, it was why I used the fine art too. :p
This is revamping it, just wait until I'm done. Revamping it enough so it can stand up to the original Luci at least.
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The horns look stupid, IMO. Too much like an earth-based animal, and not alien enough.
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I think that the horns could work depending on how the model goes... but I wouldn't insult the fs purists quite so much... it's annoying and useless.
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I think that the horns could work depending on how the model goes... but I wouldn't insult the fs purists quite so much... it's annoying and useless.
No... the horns dont fit with shivans. They're not mountain goats... they're spider-like aliens.
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I think it looks awesome. :yes:
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I think it looks awesome. :yes:
Do pay attention. Of *course* it looks 'good' - WeatherOp is very good at what he does. The point he takes such glee in, however, is that it doesn't look jack **** like the Demon part it replaces.
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I know that he takes glee in it and it does not matter to me. i don't have to use his model if i don't want to.
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I think it looks awesome. :yes:
Do pay attention. Of *course* it looks 'good' - WeatherOp is very good at what he does. The point he takes such glee in, however, is that it doesn't look jack **** like the Demon part it replaces.
No what I take glee in, is looking though the concept art to get an idea of what shivan ships would look like if they were what :v: wanted. Go take a look for your self, shivan ships were not supposed to be just red and spiky, but a demonic and organic, skeleton look. That is how I designed the Moloch, and is how I plan to do the demon and any other shivan ship I do.
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shivan ships were not supposed to be just red and spiky
QFT. I think the new Demon is pretty cool.
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No what I take glee in, is looking though the concept art to get an idea of what shivan ships would look like if they were what :v: wanted. Go take a look for your self, shivan ships were not supposed to be just red and spiky, but a demonic and organic, skeleton look. That is how I designed the Moloch, and is how I plan to do the demon and any other shivan ship I do.
Ah, but you knew such major changes to the Demon would result in outrage, hence your inflammatory thread title. :D
If you're approaching it from such a direction, what drew you to the Demon? It's probably the most 'normal' looking Shivan capital ship - there's not much scope for Giger-ing it up without a wholesale revamp.
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No... the horns dont fit with shivans. They're not mountain goats... they're spider-like aliens.
Ditto. I'm not one for FS purism, but the mountain goat horns don't do it for me. It's too familiar to me, not alien at all. If the horns split or did something weird, it would look better.
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No what I take glee in, is looking though the concept art to get an idea of what shivan ships would look like if they were what :v: wanted. Go take a look for your self, shivan ships were not supposed to be just red and spiky, but a demonic and organic, skeleton look. That is how I designed the Moloch, and is how I plan to do the demon and any other shivan ship I do.
Ah, but you knew such major changes to the Demon would result in outrage, hence your inflammatory thread title. :D
If you're approaching it from such a direction, what drew you to the Demon? It's probably the most 'normal' looking Shivan capital ship - there's not much scope for Giger-ing it up without a wholesale revamp.
No my thread title was named like that to stop new people from coming in here and screaming "Oh my!! what did you do to my favorite ship!" and then start demanding all these changes to it. I just prefer to give them warning to stay out of the thread or they are coming in at their own risk.
Why ddi I chose the Demon? The name ofcourse.
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ugh
even if i didnt know what that was supposed to be, i'd still hate it.
it's quite retarded, huge horns on a spaceship
i couldnt even sketch that if i tried, i'd never let myself let that get past 2d
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I don't mind the ship at all... but at this point I'd feel almost bad to use it.
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This thing better not make it into the Media VPs as the default HTL version.
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No kidding. It's interesting, but not right to match the cuscenes or anything.
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There is one obvious issue with those horns: the points where they protrude from are right about where the Demon's beam turrets should be. The horns are big enough that the beams will often go through them in the game and look stupid.
I think the horns look ridiculous (even if it wasn't supposed to be a Demon) in those pictures, but I'll wait until the entire thing is finished before passing any further judgment on it.
On a side note, you guys should stop calling these things HTL ships. That designation makes no sense at all. :p Call them high poly ships or something. HTL has been a standard feature of games for several years now and has nothing to do with the model detail directly.
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True I suppose... it's just a habit
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Oh god...
The Demon was my favorite Shivan capship...
Those horns... I think I'm gonna be sick...
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Ok, for the moment, I have been swayed. But, don't count a victory just yet. :pimp:
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3466/415620516nq.jpg)
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Very nice.
Now put the horns back on.
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It looks really really good... I hope to see it in game
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That's kickin rad. See if you can vent all of your creativity on the arch and the underside. :)
Did you make the head smaller? I don't remember the neck being so long... :nervous:
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I have been gone for a while, and I've got news from the outside world...
Horns = bad, and not in a good way
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That's kickin rad. See if you can vent all of your creativity on the arch and the underside. :)
Did you make the head smaller? I don't remember the neck being so long... :nervous:
No, the neck is wider at this point, I need it that way for the tiem being.
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Ribs are still too angular, I think. They follow the countour of the original model too much and scream low poly.
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Very nice.
Now put the horns back on.
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Ribs are still too angular, I think. They follow the countour of the original model too much and scream low poly.
They are at this point, but I'll smooth e'm out before I get done.
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Ok, for the moment, I have been swayed. But, don't count a victory just yet. :pimp:
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hi,
mhh looking good, but the cervix look a little bit to long, but without textures is hard to say if it really to long.
to the horns.
imho have the demon his horns.
if you look the front you can see the horn, ok its more a V.
but demons doesnt have only horns like devils or only horns like devils.
they have spikes and normal horns too.
if you want to add on the head some extra, maybe experiment with normal horns and spikes.
i think thats will more aczept as devil horns, because the shivans use spikes and the devils horn look to much for earth and the shivans as race hadnt, as far we know, to freespace no contact with mankind.
my 5 cents *g*
Mehrpack
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The whole horns thing was a piss-take, right?
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Ribs are still too angular, I think. They follow the countour of the original model too much and scream low poly.
They are at this point, but I'll smooth e'm out before I get done.
I'd vote for smoothing out all of the 'curved lines'. You know, the spoiler-like thing and the downwards spikes ...give them a nice, smooth curve. That's the point of HTL-ing, IMHO.
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looks kick ass. btw is the head of the htl demon alittle small then the orginal one??? another question, and this is off the topic. is teh Ravana still in progress??? just wondering?
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the cervix look a little bit to long,
Mm, that'd be a problem I guess. >..>;;
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IMO it's not that's it's too long, maybe it's a little too thin. I like it though. :):yes:
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hi,
its possible, too.
i take the picture and cutting a little bit of the cervix out of the picture and put it together again.
thinks look better.
Mehrpack
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Now guys, don't worry the neck in that pic is not in it's final shape. And the head is probley off sized as well, but it will be fixed on later updates,
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When TrashMan was doing his HiPoly Demon (which got trashed during some HD problems, IIRC), I had suggested doing some cresting on the head, and some overhang at the bottom of each side panel, with some red glow from the hidden bit.
Head, side profile: standard on left with suggested alteration, end result on right
(http://www3.sympatico.ca/daniel.topps/DemonHeadChange.JPG)
Main body, front profile, intended as the widest points on the ship, which meet together as the spoiler on top:
Full arc (top to bottom) on left, closeup of altered sections on right.
(http://www3.sympatico.ca/daniel.topps/DemonSideChange.JPG)
As you can see, the changes are nearly opposites of each other, because of their placement on the ship.
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Now guys, don't worry the neck in that pic is not in it's final shape. And the head is probley off sized as well, but it will be fixed on later updates,
hi,
aha, ok.
wait for the future updates :).
Mehrpack
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Actually, as a model I quite like the idea, just not as a model of the SD Demon :)
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When TrashMan was doing his HiPoly Demon (which got trashed during some HD problems, IIRC), I had suggested doing some cresting on the head, and some overhang at the bottom of each side panel, with some red glow from the hidden bit.
Head, side profile: standard on left with suggested alteration, end result on right
(http://www3.sympatico.ca/daniel.topps/DemonHeadChange.JPG)
Main body, front profile, intended as the widest points on the ship, which meet together as the spoiler on top:
Full arc (top to bottom) on left, closeup of altered sections on right.
(http://www3.sympatico.ca/daniel.topps/DemonSideChange.JPG)
As you can see, the changes are nearly opposites of each other, because of their placement on the ship.
And I listened...and now I weep for the horrible loss :( :(
I might try my hand at it again though
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(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3466/415620516nq.jpg)
Eww. It looks like it hasn't had a decent barbecue in months.
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My favourite thing about the Demon was that it looked intimidating, like some kind of armored bulldog. The ribbing kinda takes that away IMO.
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I've always felt that the Demon was one of the few original :v: models that more than holds its own against anything in mv_models, and that's one of the main reasons why. This is the one model that I'll be pretty damn picky about when it comes to hi-poly-fying. :p
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Didn't somebody else make a HTL Demon? Or am I just thinking of the Ravana?
Regardless, I don't like where this model is headed at all. Most of those extra 'details' don't have any basis in the model's textures. The bottom spiky things are kind of evil looking though.
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That was TrashMan, who lost his in a tragic Hard Drive accident, as stated earlier.
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Didn't somebody else make a HTL Demon? Or am I just thinking of the Ravana?
Regardless, I don't like where this model is headed at all. Most of those extra 'details' don't have any basis in the model's textures. The bottom spiky things are kind of evil looking though.
Show me where I can get detail from the model's textures and I will give you a cookie. :p
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Didn't somebody else make a HTL Demon? Or am I just thinking of the Ravana?
Regardless, I don't like where this model is headed at all. Most of those extra 'details' don't have any basis in the model's textures. The bottom spiky things are kind of evil looking though.
Show me where I can get detail from the model's textures and I will give you a cookie. :p
From the old HTL Demon thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,37523.0.html).
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/VA--Twisted_Infinities/DemonShaded.jpg (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/VA--Twisted_Infinities/DemonShaded.jpg)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/VA--Twisted_Infinities/Demon.jpg (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/VA--Twisted_Infinities/Demon.jpg)
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I don't like it. The ribs make it look underfed and destroy any chance of getting back the armoured shell look of V's model, as well as forcing massive texture changes, the head looks weak and the neck seems too long. Too much change from V's model and not in a good direction.
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This is trash.
Stop wasting time on it and do something else. You've obviously got the skills.
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With lots of interpretation and the vague/strange nature of the Shivans, isn't the Shivan fleet going to end up looking like even worse? It's already a hodge-podge of styles, but with HTL Ravana's suspended plates and organic components and HTL Moloch's solid, pointy design it's diverging even more.
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This is trash.
Stop wasting time on it and do something else. You've obviously got the skills.
your post is trash.
I think you should change the way the ribs look it's a bit to weak looking with those ribs. make it bulkier.