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Title: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:12:08 pm: 100 bucks on the table firefox is gunna win. but still, i like opera myself.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 01:14:43 pm: You mean which do I use the MOST?

You left k-meleon and Netscape off the list too, not that it will matter.
And some people use IE6, some use IE7.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:15:50 pm: then vote for other :P
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Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 01:16:31 pm: D'oh!
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:17:39 pm: you can change ur vote you know :P

EDIT : Oops i thought i set it so you can change your vote O.o
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Dysko on January 22, 2007, 01:32:02 pm: I use mostly IE, but sometimes I use also Firefox.

Duh! I'm the only one who voted IE!
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: CP5670 on January 22, 2007, 01:37:19 pm: Firefox, but it does irritate me quite often. I stick with it only because of the greatness that is Adblock Plus.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Admiral Edivad on January 22, 2007, 01:37:51 pm: Quote from: Darth DySkO on January 22, 2007, 01:32:02 pm
Duh! I'm the only one who voted IE!

We are two now.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:39:14 pm: opera has the same type of blocking system :P

also opera opens up webpages a lot faster then firefox as well as faster at downloading.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Cobra on January 22, 2007, 01:40:02 pm: Firefox. It's got adblock, plus I don't have a ****ing doorway open to various forms of adware and spyware.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:41:34 pm: one thing i find funny is they have internet explorer for mac as well.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: DarkShadow- on January 22, 2007, 01:46:00 pm: Firefox all the way! :D

Opera is also a very good browser, but I'm just used to work with Firefox. Konqueror almost sucks as much as IE (at least the version they have at univeristy).
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Starkweather on January 22, 2007, 01:46:53 pm: Opera, computer broken, So I'm using my Wii.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 01:56:10 pm: yeah i just noticed that they made a version of opera for the wii :D\

Im suprised that opera has a lead over iternet explorer at the moment O.o 3 opera 2 IE.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Primus on January 22, 2007, 02:07:18 pm: I always browse with Firefox and use IE only for testing my websites. Never tried any other browser (except Netscape a looong time ago).
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 02:11:31 pm: Opera is a must have.

If you use Firefox, try Firetune http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Browser-Tweak/FireTune.shtml

The Google Web accelerator (which works very differently) causes me some problems.

I'm also using http://www.opendns.com/ successfully.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: castor on January 22, 2007, 02:20:11 pm: Fire.. *cough* Iceweasel ;)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Herra Tohtori on January 22, 2007, 02:27:37 pm: Usually Opera. If something doesn't work as it should (some menus for example :ick:), revert to Firefox... If it has something to do with manual Microsoft Updates, IE is kinda required. :sigh:
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 02:44:19 pm: yeah i have opera, firefox and ie aswell.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Rictor on January 22, 2007, 02:48:50 pm: I, like all enlightened and educated surfers, use Safar-BWAHAHA, God I can't even say it with a straight face.

Firefox.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 02:53:28 pm: :wtf: Firefox isnt as perfect as you would like to believe rictor, thats a reason why i use more then one browser, and educated person would use more then one browser, so if one doesnt work another will take care of the job ;) besides, I find opera to load webpages much faster. And downloads run at my full connection speed, where firefox doesnt even use half of it.(opera downloading at 1.2MByte/s while firefox downloads at ~550 KByte/s and yes, BYTES not BITS)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Rictor on January 22, 2007, 03:03:28 pm: I wasn't promoting Firefox, I was bashing Safari.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: brozozo on January 22, 2007, 03:10:12 pm: I use Firefox. Can someone explain to me how browsers determine download speed?
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Herra Tohtori on January 22, 2007, 03:27:48 pm: Mathematically defined, the speed of transfer is the first time derivat of the amount of data trasferred:

s = dD / dt

where s is the speed of download, D is the amount of data transferred and t is the amount of time passed. Small d represents delta, ie. the change of time and change of data transferred. ;7

In plain text: take a big file, download it and take the time used to download it. Filesize divided by the time used is average download saving speed. Then you need to do the test on same speed connection with multiple browsers and compare the nominal speed of your connection with the results the browser downloads give.

To be honest, most of the time the browser's download speed doesn't matter nearly as much as the general browsing speed and feel. Most files I download using some download accelerator anyway, and only use browser to download files from places that have prohibited download accelerators. I'm used to WinGet 1.9 and it usually does the job nicely, so I keep using it (and it's freeware as opposed to later versions of WinGet).
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: achtung on January 22, 2007, 03:43:56 pm: I use Firefox, Opera, and IE. I just use Firefox more. :p
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: brozozo on January 22, 2007, 03:50:05 pm: Quote from: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 02:11:31 pm
Opera is a must have.

If you use Firefox, try Firetune http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Browser-Tweak/FireTune.shtml

The Google Web accelerator (which works very differently) causes me some problems.

I'm also using http://www.opendns.com/ successfully.

FireTune isn't working for me. It's asking for disc 2 (???) during installation. I checked the link, but I couldn't find anything but general information. Do you know where I could get some support?
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 03:56:15 pm: That is a strange error!

Here's the home page http://www.totalidea.com/content/firetune/firetune-index.html or
Try the download from here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/FireTune_d4534.html

Or, use this plugin http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ which does the same thing I think. Firetune has a nifty configuration menu though. Also, the prefetching links part of fasterfox can cause weirdness sometimes.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Centrixo on January 22, 2007, 04:15:18 pm: there are several reasons why firefox dont use the full stream.

just remember your living in a community, and the people around use the same wires you do, that can greatly reduce the download speed of your connection, it could just be a complete co-incidence that your download speed is cut in half or you could be on the wrong site.

i always use firefox for everything, i stay away from IE altogether, viruses, spam, mealware, trojans etc.
ive had alot of bad times with IE.

the internet is like real life traffic, grid locks, trailbacks, creepers etc. so it can slow you download speeds down.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 22, 2007, 04:24:36 pm: Strange as it may be, one of the main reasons I started using Opera was because of the.... transfer panel! :nervous:

Seriously, I hate IE's and Firefox's transfer panels, they're ugly and somewhat less pratical.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: SadisticSid on January 22, 2007, 04:28:02 pm: Opera, except for those few sites that don't work properly with anything but IE. I've tried Firefox but it's slower and more bloated than Opera, and I really don't like the necessity of bloating things even more with plugins. Opera has everything I need in a much smaller, faster package, so it's a moot point.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: brozozo on January 22, 2007, 04:28:02 pm: Quote from: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 03:56:15 pm
That is a strange error!

Here's the home page http://www.totalidea.com/content/firetune/firetune-index.html or
Try the download from here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/FireTune_d4534.html

Or, use this plugin http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ which does the same thing I think. Firetune has a nifty configuration menu though. Also, the prefetching links part of fasterfox can cause weirdness sometimes.

Thanks. I downloaded it again, and it's working fine.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: kode on January 22, 2007, 05:35:49 pm: (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:yx7fFs1YObzj7M:http://www.kingworld.com/assets/program/sub_image_oprah.jpg)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 06:13:28 pm: thats Operah were talking opera as in music. Pronounced completely different.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 22, 2007, 07:03:57 pm: Quote from: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 06:13:28 pm
thats Operah were talking opera as in music. Pronounced completely different.

*cough* they're the same (http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=145) *cough*
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 07:40:44 pm: no they arent dude, they are pronounced differently. Don't try to argue because your totally wrong. And i dont see anything in that like that quotes Oprah and Opera to be the same. In fact, it doesnt even mention her.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 07:42:03 pm: Opera, short O sound, three syllables. Oprah, long O sound, two syllables.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 07:50:19 pm: Okay...... back on topic now..........
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 22, 2007, 07:53:10 pm: Oh crap, misread your post :o

I thought you were talking about opera browser and opera theatre.

Anyway, anyone knows how to disable the annoying new torrent thingy Opera has?
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: KappaWing on January 22, 2007, 07:54:05 pm: Quote from: Centrixo on January 22, 2007, 04:15:18 pm

the internet is like real life traffic, grid locks, trailbacks, creepers etc. so it can slow you download speeds down.

Real traffic? Oh please everyone knows its a series of tubes! :)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Huggybaby on January 22, 2007, 07:59:21 pm: Disable torrent support in opera:

http://securitydot.net/articles/exploits/vulnerabilities/articles/38/article.html
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 22, 2007, 08:15:41 pm: Many thanks :)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 22, 2007, 10:21:07 pm: :D I needed that link too :P
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 22, 2007, 11:19:25 pm: Definetely opera here. Last time I used firefox their webpage zoom was horrible and without it.. forget it.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Descenterace on January 23, 2007, 12:21:16 am: Righty...

I use Opera at home, on both Linux and Windows. My Tablet PC uses Opera too, but for some reason Firefox is still bound as the default browser for URLs in IRC.

At work, Opera behaves strangely and suffers frequent slowdowns. I suspect this is because we store all user data on a network drive and Opera stores its cache there. Therefore, I use Firefox at work.

The software I develop at work runs mainly on IE. The HTML/Javascript supports Firefox but the ActiveX stuff needs IE. Therefore, testing the software requires that I use IE.

Since Opera's the only one I use by choice, that's what I voted for.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Fury on January 23, 2007, 12:30:26 am: If the KDE browser (Konqueror) is in the poll, then should by all rights be Safari (OSX), Camino (OSX) and Epiphany (Gnome) browsers too. :p
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 23, 2007, 03:20:59 am: What about Lynx? :lol:
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Post by: kode on January 23, 2007, 03:58:49 am: sarastafari is based on konquistadorerror, tho.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Blue Lion on January 23, 2007, 04:02:14 am: Firefox
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Gortef on January 23, 2007, 05:54:24 am: IE most of the time
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Centrixo on January 23, 2007, 10:18:23 am: Quote from: KappaWing on January 22, 2007, 07:54:05 pm
Quote from: Centrixo on January 22, 2007, 04:15:18 pm

the internet is like real life traffic, grid locks, trailbacks, creepers etc. so it can slow you download speeds down.

Real traffic? Oh please everyone knows its a series of tubes! :)

that means we live in tubes... :nervous:
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Mars on January 23, 2007, 05:56:04 pm: Konqueror is really good... but it doesn't match up to Firefox.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: [DW]-Hunter on January 23, 2007, 08:16:38 pm: I have noticed that firefox doesnt open up as fast as opera, nor does it load pages as fast, and like previously said, the zoom on firefox is messed up. Firefox seems to have a cap or something on downloads because Opera downloads stuff quite a bit faster.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Taristin on January 23, 2007, 11:03:59 pm: Hmm, I kinda like IE7 64-bit
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 08, 2007, 05:22:30 am: Pfft. Polls are for wussies.

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Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Gortef on February 08, 2007, 12:33:39 pm: Hah, well that diagram prettymuch ends the debate :d
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 12:34:31 pm: *Looks at the poll numbers and is shocked*

You've Got to be kidding me..

*Looks at sandwiches sreenie*
Ok, the world is comeing to an end. Firefox pwns IE? I never thought it possible..
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: phreak on February 08, 2007, 01:57:55 pm: In Soviet Russia, Internet browses YOU!
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 08, 2007, 05:28:44 pm: Quote from: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 12:34:31 pm
Ok, the world is comeing to an end. Firefox pwns IE? I never thought it possible..

It varies highly from website to website. Firefox has had the majority over IE for many months now - on techie websites, that is. On sites that service the general public, without any specific tendency for the visitors to be more or less technically inclined (such as Google or CNN), Firefox is around 15% IIRC.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 08, 2007, 05:59:05 pm: I use IE 6 or 7, AOL Explorer (basically IE), and, (most of the time!), FireFox
Must-have extentions for FireFox:
FlashGot (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/220/) - allows you to use almost any 3rd-party download manager, or your normal FireFox downloader, your choice.
FasterFox (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1269/) - the name says it all
All-in-One Sidebar (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1027/) - a sidebar control, inspired by Opera's
IE Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/) - Kiss IE goodbye (if you want) when using Windoze Update (although you will actually be using IE's engine inside one of Firefox's tabs)
MR Tech Local Install (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/421/) - allows you to install from local .xpi files, disable annoying 3-sec delay, hack version checks (careful!), ...
Update Notifier (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2098/) - notifies you of updates for extensions and themes, can be configured to automatically install them, among other things.
PDF Download (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/636/) - allows you to download or open .PDF files, instead of automatically just opening them.

Also of interest:
NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/722/) - allows you to control which website are allowed to execute scripts - very handy, when you allow your favorite site, but not its ad sponsor, if their ads are just that annoying.
ShowIP (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/590/) - Show the IP address of the current page in the status bar.
Flashblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/433/) - replaces flash objects with a button you can click if you really do want to see the object.
Foxmarks Bookmark Synchronizer (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2410/) - Synchronizes your bookmarks if you use different machines, using the web.
User Agent Switcher (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/59/) - Adds a menu and a toolbar button to switch the user agent of the browser.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Polpolion on February 08, 2007, 06:05:06 pm: Quote from: Sandwich™ on February 08, 2007, 05:28:44 pm
Quote from: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 12:34:31 pm
Ok, the world is comeing to an end. Firefox pwns IE? I never thought it possible..

It varies highly from website to website. Firefox has had the majority over IE for many months now - on techie websites, that is. On sites that service the general public, without any specific tendency for the visitors to be more or less technically inclined (such as Google or CNN), Firefox is around 15% IIRC.

So basically only people who know anything about computers use firefox?
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Mars on February 08, 2007, 06:21:31 pm: Pretty much... and I'm sorry... why would you use AOL Explorer :wtf:
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 08, 2007, 08:18:56 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on February 08, 2007, 06:05:06 pm
So basically only people who know anything about computers use firefox?

Not quite, but that general direction. More accurate would be to say that among people who have know-how about computers, Firefox's usage levels are very high. :)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 10:36:16 pm: And if i asked the main differences between IE and FF, i would be directed to search button, or another topic.

I tried FF once, and it didnt seem too apealing. IE 7 is pritty cool IMHO, especialy the mulit tabs.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Turey on February 08, 2007, 11:40:11 pm: Quote from: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 10:36:16 pm
IE 7 is pritty cool IMHO, especialy the mulit tabs.

Most of the new features in IE7 have been ripped from better browsers like FireFox or Opera. Like multi tabs. and the "Open these tabs when the browser is next started."
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on February 09, 2007, 12:27:06 am: Only time I use IE is to download Firefox on a system that's not hooked up to my file server.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 09, 2007, 07:31:23 am: Quote from: Mars on February 08, 2007, 06:21:31 pm
Pretty much... and I'm sorry... why would you use AOL Explorer :wtf:
'Cause it's better than IE 6 (in some respects) :p (tabbed browsing)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: vyper on February 09, 2007, 08:26:04 am: Here, Sarnie what stats package is that?
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 09, 2007, 08:26:48 am: Quote from: Sandwich™ on February 08, 2007, 08:18:56 pm
Quote from: thesizzler on February 08, 2007, 06:05:06 pm
So basically only people who know anything about computers use firefox?

Not quite, but that general direction. More accurate would be to say that among people who have know-how about computers, Firefox's usage levels are very high. :)

The other thing is that your average user simply isn't aware of Firefox (or any other browsers) and just sticks with the pre-installed IE.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 09, 2007, 08:41:57 am: Quote from: vyper on February 09, 2007, 08:26:04 am
Here, Sarnie what stats package is that?

Google Analytics (http://analytics.google.com).
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Snail on February 09, 2007, 08:48:54 am: Not that I really care, but Firefox.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Scuddie on February 09, 2007, 12:23:58 pm: Quote from: aldo_14 on February 09, 2007, 08:26:48 am
The other thing is that your average user simply isn't aware of Firefox (or any other browsers) and just sticks with the pre-installed IE.
Jeez, not even I am that cynical. The 'average' user isnt nearly as unapt as it used to be.

And at the subject at hand, I use Firefox. I would have used Opera, since it's the only standard compliant browser available right now, but webmasters seem so determined to push Firefox that they break the code on purpose, and include fixes in the HTML for firefox, so that Opera doesnt work. It has finally worked on me, as the number of sites I visit with Opera have dwindled to a very low minority. These tactics are ****ed up, and so I'm forced to use a greatly inferior browser because of it. Shame on the University of Ohio for making all this ****ty firefox hype. Shame on them indeed.
/me votes Firefox and spits on the ground.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: KappaWing on February 09, 2007, 01:53:53 pm: Quote from: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 10:36:16 pm
And if i asked the main differences between IE and FF, i would be directed to search button, or another topic.

I tried FF once, and it didnt seem too apealing. IE 7 is pritty cool IMHO, especialy the mulit tabs.

I'd love to see your processes list :lol:
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 09, 2007, 03:29:19 pm: Quote from: Scuddie on February 09, 2007, 12:23:58 pm
And at the subject at hand, I use Firefox. I would have used Opera, since it's the only standard compliant browser available right now, but webmasters seem so determined to push Firefox that they break the code on purpose, and include fixes in the HTML for firefox, so that Opera doesnt work. It has finally worked on me, as the number of sites I visit with Opera have dwindled to a very low minority. These tactics are ****ed up, and so I'm forced to use a greatly inferior browser because of it. Shame on the University of Ohio for making all this ****ty firefox hype. Shame on them indeed.
/me votes Firefox and spits on the ground.

As a webmaster, I've no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: vyper on February 09, 2007, 04:01:09 pm: Indeed. You don't need hacks to get FF working. I.E7 even less so these days.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: fsi.scsi on February 09, 2007, 04:16:42 pm: Most modern web browsers are interoperable. i.e., what you see in IE7 (what I use) is what you should see in FireFox. For the most part.

Quote
As a webmaster, I've no idea what you're talking about.

I agree. "Most" webmasters don't deliberately include FireFox-specific code that will "break" Opera or Konqueror or whatever. In fact, I'm not too sure that there is that much FireFox-specific code. Maybe some strange JavaScript functions, or prematurely deprecated tags.

Browser-specific code is sort of anathema to what the FireFox/Mozilla project is about.

Now, on the other hand making pages specifically for IE... THAT is a crime. Especially when one uses annoying, deprecated tags as:

<MARQUEE SCROLLAMOUNT=100 SCROLLDELAY=50>LOL EYE AM KEWL EYE CAN MAIK A MARKEY!!1!!</MARQUEE>
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: KappaWing on February 09, 2007, 04:20:55 pm: Appearanly my myspace looks totally butchered in IE.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: brozozo on February 09, 2007, 07:06:39 pm: MySpace looks totally butchered in any browser.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Scuddie on February 09, 2007, 08:29:11 pm: Quote from: KappaWing on February 09, 2007, 04:20:55 pm
my myspace
Die.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 10, 2007, 03:11:17 am: Quote from: KappaWing on February 09, 2007, 01:53:53 pm
Quote from: Charismatic on February 08, 2007, 10:36:16 pm
And if i asked the main differences between IE and FF, i would be directed to search button, or another topic.

I tried FF once, and it didnt seem too apealing. IE 7 is pritty cool IMHO, especialy the mulit tabs.

I'd love to see your processes list :lol:
Eh, http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/ProcessExplorer.mspx
and
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/SystemInformation/Autoruns.mspx
they can tell you, Charismatic... you should check this yourself anyways.
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad-aware_se_personal.php
They can help fix your problem that you (probably) didn't know you had.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 10, 2007, 03:18:26 am: Quote from: Scuddie on February 09, 2007, 12:23:58 pm
Quote from: aldo_14 on February 09, 2007, 08:26:48 am
The other thing is that your average user simply isn't aware of Firefox (or any other browsers) and just sticks with the pre-installed IE.
Jeez, not even I am that cynical. The 'average' user isnt nearly as unapt as it used to be.

And at the subject at hand, I use Firefox. I would have used Opera, since it's the only standard compliant browser available right now, but webmasters seem so determined to push Firefox that they break the code on purpose, and include fixes in the HTML for firefox, so that Opera doesnt work. It has finally worked on me, as the number of sites I visit with Opera have dwindled to a very low minority. These tactics are ****ed up, and so I'm forced to use a greatly inferior browser because of it. Shame on the University of Ohio for making all this ****ty firefox hype. Shame on them indeed.
/me votes Firefox and spits on the ground.
Eh, you'd probably like the All-in-One Sidebar (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1027/) I mentioned above (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,44883.msg923455.html#msg923455).

EDIT: Eh, what am I saying eh for all the time? I'm not even British!!
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 10, 2007, 06:58:49 am: Actually, it is possible to build a website that works in Firefox, not in IE. You simply have to have a page with a sufficiently complex layout, code strictly according to web standards, and avoid using any of the CSS or Javascript hacks that might be needed in order to get it to display properly in IE, which doesn't support web standards.

(Strictly speaking, Firefox actually does have Firefox-specific web code, but it's all prefixed with "-moz".)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: kode on February 12, 2007, 01:01:47 am: webmasters go about it the wrong way. one should design for opera, and then it usually works in both ff and ie, with only minor tweaks needed in other cases. unless you're using xslt and stuff like that, which didn't work the last time I tried, but then again I haven't completely upgraded to O9 yet either.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 12, 2007, 01:07:57 am: Quote from: kode on February 12, 2007, 01:01:47 am
webmasters go about it the wrong way. one should design for opera, and then it usually works in both ff and ie, with only minor tweaks needed in other cases. unless you're using xslt and stuff like that, which didn't work the last time I tried, but then again I haven't completely upgraded to O9 yet either.
Good grief... isn't there some kind of open standard that all browsers support? If not, there should be. I do notice that hard-light.net looks different in FF, IE, and AOL Explorer (the last one I can't figure out; it's supposed to be just a slight mod off of IE's engine!)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: kode on February 12, 2007, 08:27:38 am: Quote from: jr2 on February 12, 2007, 01:07:57 am
Quote from: kode on February 12, 2007, 01:01:47 am
webmasters go about it the wrong way. one should design for opera, and then it usually works in both ff and ie, with only minor tweaks needed in other cases. unless you're using xslt and stuff like that, which didn't work the last time I tried, but then again I haven't completely upgraded to O9 yet either.
Good grief... isn't there some kind of open standard that all browsers support? If not, there should be. I do notice that hard-light.net looks different in FF, IE, and AOL Explorer (the last one I can't figure out; it's supposed to be just a slight mod off of IE's engine!)

well, there are standards, but they're just like road speed limits. that is, suggestions. ;)
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: IPAndrews on February 12, 2007, 08:37:17 am: I browse using Notepad and interpret the HTML neurally.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: jr2 on February 12, 2007, 08:52:18 am: Quote from: IPAndrews on February 12, 2007, 08:37:17 am
I browse using Notepad and interpret the HTML neurally.
... You mean Notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm)?
:p
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: kode on February 12, 2007, 10:57:03 am: Quote from: IPAndrews on February 12, 2007, 08:37:17 am
I browse using Notepad and interpret the HTML neurally.

whoa, that's probably true. me, I've got a friend who describes the internet for me. I imagine it's a bit like blondes and dinosaurs throwing a birthday party.
Title: Re: What browser do YOU use?
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2007, 02:28:26 pm: Quote from: jr2 on February 12, 2007, 01:07:57 am
Quote from: kode on February 12, 2007, 01:01:47 am
webmasters go about it the wrong way. one should design for opera, and then it usually works in both ff and ie, with only minor tweaks needed in other cases. unless you're using xslt and stuff like that, which didn't work the last time I tried, but then again I haven't completely upgraded to O9 yet either.
Good grief... isn't there some kind of open standard that all browsers support? If not, there should be. I do notice that hard-light.net looks different in FF, IE, and AOL Explorer (the last one I can't figure out; it's supposed to be just a slight mod off of IE's engine!)

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