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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on March 04, 2007, 12:02:52 am
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http://news.com.com/Homeland+Security+offers+details+on+Real+ID/2100-1028_3-6163509.html
update Hundreds of millions of Americans will have until 2013 to be outfitted with new digital ID cards, the Bush administration said on Thursday in a long-awaited announcement that reveals details of how the new identification plan will work.
Even though Maine totally refused and several states have anti-real id act bills in their legislatures, it looks like Bush is going to go ahead with this.
Should I apply for Canadian citizenship now to beat the rush?
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Well.
Bugger.
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*watches it get stopped by Congress/most local legislatures*
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Infohm yo'self foos.
http://www.realnightmare.org/
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That's funny; I distinctly remember when discussing the fallacies of the UKs own attempts at ID cards, various American people were forecasting it could never happen in the US.......
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If this happens, I'll just cut mine in half and throw it in the trash. They can suck my nice, big, drivers license if they want ID.
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If this happens, I'll just cut mine in half and throw it in the trash. They can suck my nice, big, drivers license if they want ID.
Ditto.
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If this goes through, I'll probably do one of two things to the RFID tags:
1.) Erase it and say it's defective.
2.) Hack the chip to display something obnoxious like, "None of your ****ing business," in place of my address.
For the barcode, white out FTW.
But seriously, there is no way this will reduce the threat of terrorism. For that to work, you would have to issue a card to every single person in the country, plus everyone who enters the country, even if it is just for a quick connecting flight to another country. And you would have to be certain that the info the foreigners give is true. They could lie and we wouldn't ever know about it till something happened.
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Whoa whoa, nelly. Wait a second here.
In other words, this is just another ID... with a barcode a'la credit cards... that stores our personal information?
And it's digital, so, in other words, all those fancy fingered hackers out there could more easily get our information off of the card? ( Not that they can't get all they need off of a drivers liscense and a credit card, supposing you lost your wallet. )
WTF is Bush smoking? This is so obviously moronic, it's not even funny... or scary! This is going to be like forcing uniforms in a public middle school... alot of us are going to say screw it, break the thing to bits (after giving it a go-over with a powerful electromagnet) and move on with our lives. What are they going to do, arrest us all?
I'm sorry for the rant-i-ness, but what, exactly, does Bush and his pals up on the Hill think this is going to solve?
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People won't do it. It's like when they tried to convert the nation to the metric system.
A law is just that, a law, if people don't obey it, and if it isn't enforced (which I doubt it will be) it won't work.
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Congress called.
They said "Screw you."
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And it gets worse, miskat. The personal information that is stored in that coupon-like barcode is unencrypted, so any store can ask you for ID, scan the barcode, and automatically add you to their mailing list without your permission. Then there's the whole problem of identity theft...The new ID is enough to make you sick.
Congress called.
They said "Screw you."
QFT. And the President wants your address for his new reeducation program.
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Should I apply for Canadian citizenship now to beat the rush?
I'm seriously considering it
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Don't bother - there is no way this is going to fly.
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Don't bother - there is no way this is going to fly.
There were many people who said it wouldn't even be proposed.
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Those people are just guilty of underestimating GWB's idiocy.
Let's just hope we're not overestimating Congress's intelligence. Although I doubt that something like this would fly with the current Dem Congress - or even the Republicans in it.
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The Republicans in congress back Bush, but it's pretty heavilly opposed by the Dems.
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Failure to care imminent.
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Failure to care imminent.
Conversion to sheep imminent.
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Error - Insufficient RAM.....
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Error - Insufficient RAM.....
Oh dear. Very baaaaaaaaad joke.
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Failure to care imminent.
Conversion to sheep imminent.
QFT
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Chip in the hand? Cool, I'd do it in a heartbeat. WITH certain changes...
1.) ALL info in chip MUST match the body it's in (ie DNA, fingerprint, visible physical features, etc), there is no mistake you are you (chips registered to social security number and can only be gotten from secure companies, violators go to jail for life, it IS national security after all)
2.) Copies of the national database needs to be in multiple locations not only for safe storage/recovery, but for quicker access anywhere in the world.
3.) Additional data needs to be minimal (or extended as personal choice). In fact a 2-3 mode scanner would solve the problem, as long as severe penalties apply to corporations that violate privacy issues. Mode 1 is basic identity (going about town etc) Mode 2 is for hospitals/police only and access medical history (hence insurance companies would get put to the wall /out of business for using a mode 2 scanner illegally on perspective customers, and a mode 3 scan is for police/military only (complete history only used for booking, back ground checks for govt or police work).
If it was presented (and vigorously enforced) like that I would have no problem with this logical approach to BIG BROTHER (and I consider myself a liberal)
Imagine the first moron company to violate it and the feds bust down their door and seize their assets (since they are used in the participation of a crime) and inform them complaints have to stop cause they already have 12 thousand charges against them and if any more come in 24 hours + later they will be added..
We suggest you call a good lawyer... :D
The key is not "invasion of Privacy" but clear and precise usage of any such technology, the safeguarding of data, and MOST OF ALL extreme enforcement of this system.
Otherwise identity theft will be the joke it is now in the criminal justice system.
By the way just my suggestions:
A) Build a ****ing wall on the Southern Border with machine gun nests and night vision targeting.
B) Make the guards actually CHECK PEOPLE on the Northern Border (got way too friendly with the travelers) There's one spot with no guard, it;s an honor system you write in a logbook I think).
C) Bring back Ellis Island for Pete's sake, that's when immigration meant something and you found out who people were when they got here, not AFTER the fact they've been here awhile and someone notices them or they get picked up for a crime.
That might help a little to stem the tide of people needed a new identity if we find out who they are in the first place on day one!
(All children born in the USA from this day forward need a ID chip, an additional tracking one (GPS?)is optional and removed at age 16 - or if desired, you can say you want to keep yours :) in case you get kidnapped..)
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C) Bring back Ellis Island for Pete's sake, that's when immigration meant something and you found out who people were when they got here, not AFTER the fact they've been here awhile and someone notices them or they get picked up for a crime.
Yeah, because not as if the US isn't already completely ****ing over immigrants trying to earn an honest wage......
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You mean illegal immigrants that break our laws by coming over illegally, yet still demand to be treated like US citizens?
Of course, the counter to that is always "Rabid nationalistic American OMGWTF?!". Except I'm not. I think that if an immigrant really intends to immigrate into a country, they should follow the laws and learn the language of that country, not come over illegally and stay in their own little groups without ever branching out into the culture of the country that they're living in. And that goes for Americans moving to other countries as well.
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You mean illegal immigrants that break our laws by coming over illegally, yet still demand to be treated like US citizens?
Of course, the counter to that is always "Rabid nationalistic American OMGWTF?!". Except I'm not. I think that if an immigrant really intends to immigrate into a country, they should follow the laws and learn the language of that country, not come over illegally and stay in their own little groups without ever branching out into the culture of the country that they're living in. And that goes for Americans moving to other countries as well.
No, I mean the ones that - for example - face leaving the country for 60 days or more to renew the stamp visa that allows them to travel abroad (not the visa that lets them work in the country and pay income tax, oh no), and then consequently being sacked for it. Oh, or the ones that spend several years as honest workers, and then to apply for permanent residency have to see their jobs unsuccesfully advertised (the ones that let them keep their visa and stay in the country) advertised not just to americans, but to lesser qualified americans. And then see their residency applications stuck in a 2 year hole until they even begin to be processed. Oooh, and lets not forget how they can be ****ed over on wages because it's so hard to change jobs on an H1B visa.
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Should I apply for Canadian citizenship now to beat the rush?
Good thinking.
I say we should annex Mexico, then they won't swarm into the US anymore.
Problem solved.
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*snip*
The real issue with that system is that it is still far too easy to abuse it. A great many people in the US have already been illegally wiretapped by the NSA, so what is to stop them from taking it a step farther with these body chips? Big Brother can't help but look, and Big Brother's best friend (the corperations) can't help it.
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Chip in the hand? Cool, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
With Real ID, your identity can be stolen more easily and efficiently than ever before!
Oh, and if you're ever given the choice between getting a chip in the hand and having your head cut off, opt for the height adjustment.
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With Real ID, your identity can be stolen more easily and efficiently than ever before!
Oh, and if you're ever given the choice between getting a chip in the hand and having your head cut off, opt for the height adjustment.
I agree, and thankfully I'm from Canada so I don't have to worry about this... YET. And I just hope it doesn't come to that.
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Illegal immigration is a very overrated problem IMHO
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:wtf: What planet are you from?
Injecting several million foreigners into a country over a short period of time is a recipe for massive cultural and economic upheaval. It's not immigration, it's migration.
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:wtf: What planet are you from?
Injecting several million foreigners into a country over a short period of time is a recipe for massive cultural and economic upheaval. It's not immigration, it's migration.
Why does that statement remind me of the 'White Australia' policy?