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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: corvette108048 on August 27, 2007, 09:53:46 pm
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What race is your fav mine has to be The Ancients because you don't know if they still exist or where wiped out by the Shivans.
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My favorite is the Shivans. How can you not like Shivans. They are what few great enemies are anymore: mysterious. Mysterious and powerful. Very very powerful.
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If the Ancients were still around after 8000 years, where would they be? Wouldn't they have rebuilt by now?
Anyways, Shivans as a race are awesome. I mean, who doesn't like those cuddly 5-legged, compound eyed cybernetic beasts with freakin' lasers attached to their heads!? :lol:
That plus their suicidal attitude of 'lets supernova this system and kill everyone including our guys for the heck of it' comes out as a winner :nod:
Although, the guys you fly with in the last mission of the 2nd SOC loop (the one with the comm nodes) gives humanity an honourable mention :D
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Well the thing is with The Ancients you don't know anything about them if there good if there bad I remember back like in 2001 when they where making a story for FS3 that the Shivans where the least of the GTVA's worries
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Who was making a story about what?
All that was ever said about that subject was from Dave Baranec who said he was interested in showing that the Shivans were only part of the problem (or thereabouts) and that they were interested in doing ships that affected the gameplay environment like a planet. So we can derive from that two things:
1) The Shivans are only part of a greater problem. Problems aren't always physical in terms of species versus species. You cannot draw conclusions. The problem could even be subspace or something even more abstract.
2) They wanted really big ships of the deathstar size/variety (although perhaps not purpose).
From what we know from the writers of the two FreeSpace stories the ancients have served their purpose and passed their messages along but they aren't mean to ever come back. They are dead and gone as far as we know. Having them come back I think would ruin the whole thing although I'd love to run into more left over stuff.
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I'd have to say the shivans. I don't think that I have ever played another game like fs2 where the bad guys end up soundly kicking your butts in every single way (also extremely aggravating I WANT CLOSURE!!).
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I think it's that lack of closure that has kept Freespace alive all these years to be honest :D
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Who was making a story about what?
All that was ever said about that subject was from Dave Baranec who said he was interested in showing that the Shivans were only part of the problem (or thereabouts) and that they were interested in doing ships that affected the gameplay environment like a planet. So we can derive from that two things:
1) The Shivans are only part of a greater problem. Problems aren't always physical in terms of species versus species. You cannot draw conclusions. The problem could even be subspace or something even more abstract.
2) They wanted really big ships of the deathstar size/variety (although perhaps not purpose).
From what we know from the writers of the two FreeSpace stories the ancients have served their purpose and passed their messages along but they aren't mean to ever come back. They are dead and gone as far as we know. Having them come back I think would ruin the whole thing although I'd love to run into more left over stuff.
Thanks that is about what I exactly read 4 or 5 years ago Time must have twisted my mind
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Me likes Shivans.
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The Shivans are what makes the FS series unique. In spite of being the main oponent in two games, the Shivans still give the player a feeling of helplessness unlike any game. In most other games the player's oponent comes off as an overhyped pushover that doesn't inspire anything but boredom.
Shivans FTW.
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If the Ancients were still around after 8000 years, where would they be? Wouldn't they have rebuilt by now?
They might have kept a low profile and stopped using subspace so the Shivans didnt come to them...
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Has anyone else read novels written by Alastair Reynolds? Maybe a year ago I read Redemption Arc and was actually mind-boggled, because the Inhibitors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhibitors_%28Revelation_Space%29#Inhibitors_.2F_Wolves) presented there seem quite similar to Shivans. Not in all aspects, of course, but for example in the sense that they passively monitor the happenings of the world and, when necessary, prevent civilisations from becoming too advanced. The Shivans were apparently doing the same, if we listen to what the Ancient narrator tells in FS1. When the Ancients entered subspace, the Destroyers took note. In the same way the Inhibitors interfere with a species, if it triggers a passive alarm system set up by the Inhibitors.
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If the Ancients were still around after 8000 years, where would they be? Wouldn't they have rebuilt by now?
They might have kept a low profile and stopped using subspace so the Shivans didnt come to them...
Possible, but the xenocidal nature of the Shivans probably doesn't distinguish between space-faring races or planetary ones.
I'd guess the Shivans were 'programmed' by someone else eons ago on a mission of extermination, or...
They are ancient 'caretakers', like the Nomads from Freelancer.
But Shivans are still awesome nonetheless. I mean, what other race has a ship that looks like a giant bug which can toast a Colossus juggernaut within a minute and sacrifices their juggernauts as if they were zerglings?
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[Possible, but the xenocidal nature of the Shivans probably doesn't distinguish between space-faring races or planetary ones.
I disagree with that part, since it was implied that the Shivans were most sensitive about subspace activity and the Ancients draw the Shivans' attention to themselves by traveling via subspace.
Then again, your Nomad comparison doesn't sound impossible at all. Good point.
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The Ancient's monologue indicates that when a species is being hunted by Shivans, they won't stop even if they retreat to their home planet.
And we retreated to our home system.
Abandoned our empire.
We believed at home we would be safe.
For they are not a terrestrial species.
We know when we entered subspace we were trespassers.
But our planet is our home.
And yet still they came.
And our world is gone.
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The Ancient's monologue indicates that when a species is being hunted by Shivans, they won't stop even if they retreat to their home planet.
The destruction of Vasuda Prime and near destruction of Earth didn't tip you off to that little tidbit?
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No, I need a pretty monologue to get the hint. :p
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Shivans were awesome--their very presence is a nightmare in the mind of every Terran and Vasudan.
We all can imagine this--we encounter something that shares no commonality with us. They're faster, stronger, and smarter then us, not to mention outnumber us a thousand to one. They have weapons we have only dreamed of and are nearly immune to our offensive. They seem immortal--even after we finally squish one, they're immediately replaced by another. They appear out of nowhere and destroy everything--they leave nothing.
Anyways--the Shivans are definitely the #1 race in all sci-fi... in my opinion at least!
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If we're thinking about ALL sci-fi, what about the Space Chicken? It wiped out all of Andromeda in 3 days! :eek:
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shivans with notepad and and FRED2. they can do anything.
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The Ancient's monologue indicates that when a species is being hunted by Shivans, they won't stop even if they retreat to their home planet.
And we retreated to our home system.
Abandoned our empire.
We believed at home we would be safe.
For they are not a terrestrial species.
We know when we entered subspace we were trespassers.
But our planet is our home.
And yet still they came.
And our world is gone.
Well just because the Ancients home world was destroyed it don't mean the Ancients went extinct . they could have moved somewhere else
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Hmm. I like the Terrans. :p Except Command and your wimpy wingmen. I understand putting some death sounds as carrying fear, but having all humans screaming for help as they die, and all Vasudans saying noble crap like "Avenge me!" (not that it's crap, but it's crap that the Vasudans are the only ones that do it)... I'd expect a good mix in there. Shivans are kinda neat, but I don't like their single-mindedness. They act like biological/mechanical robots... very intelligent ones, to be sure, perhaps hive mind explains this.
Vasudans are bitter over the Great War, and think too highly of themselves, and their ships (in FS1) suck IMHO. (Think TIE fighters.) I like the Terran weapons and craft. And since I fly in them, and defend them, I like them. Now if I could fly Shivan craft with Terran personnel that had Vasudan bravado and Terran open-mindedness (questioning Command when they are being stupid)...
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Shivans were awesome--their very presence is a nightmare in the mind of every Terran and Vasudan.
We all can imagine this--we encounter something that shares no commonality with us. They're faster, stronger, and smarter then us, not to mention outnumber us a thousand to one. They have weapons we have only dreamed of and are nearly immune to our offensive. They seem immortal--even after we finally squish one, they're immediately replaced by another. They appear out of nowhere and destroy everything--they leave nothing.
Anyways--the Shivans are definitely the #1 race in all sci-fi... in my opinion at least!
And the fact that you can't communicate with them (then bosch came along out of a shivans ass), and the fact that they don't want to war with you, they want to exterminate you.
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Vasudans are open minded too. I remember on one or even two of the campaign missions that a Vasudan pilot was questioning about Command's decisions, the mission, and etc.
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Hmm, would Command in that instance be Terran? If not, then you have a point. If so, then that's just Vasudan arrogance coming through, probably. It's just that Command's stupid enough that they actually deserve it.
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Hmm. I like the Terrans. :p Except Command and your wimpy wingmen. I understand putting some death sounds as carrying fear, but having all humans screaming for help as they die, and all Vasudans saying noble crap like "Avenge me!" (not that it's crap, but it's crap that the Vasudans are the only ones that do it)... I'd expect a good mix in there. Shivans are kinda neat, but I don't like their single-mindedness. They act like biological/mechanical robots... very intelligent ones, to be sure, perhaps hive mind explains this.
Vasudans are bitter over the Great War, and think too highly of themselves, and their ships (in FS1) suck IMHO. (Think TIE fighters.) I like the Terran weapons and craft. And since I fly in them, and defend them, I like them. Now if I could fly Shivan craft with Terran personnel that had Vasudan bravado and Terran open-mindedness (questioning Command when they are being stupid)...
You do fly Shivan craft alongside Terrans with Vasudan bravado + open-mindedness. The final SOC mission where you check out the Knossos 2 sector with Snipes, Xinny and Zero. The nice thing is, Snipes is invulnerable and the other guys are gaurdianed, so you can wipe everything out (I shot down all wings, blew up all 3 Rakshasas + comm nodes, AND disabled the Nebiros :pimp: )
I like Snipes' line: "What, do I look Shivan to you?" after one of the other guys asks what those nodes are :lol: though all the lines in that mission are gold :D
Too bad there aren't any missions like that afterwards :(
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What difficulty do you play on?
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The Ancient's monologue indicates that when a species is being hunted by Shivans, they won't stop even if they retreat to their home planet.
And we retreated to our home system.
Abandoned our empire.
We believed at home we would be safe.
For they are not a terrestrial species.
We know when we entered subspace we were trespassers.
But our planet is our home.
And yet still they came.
And our world is gone.
Well just because the Ancients home world was destroyed it don't mean the Ancients went extinct . they could have moved somewhere else
The point was that the shivans will exterminate the species wherever it goes. They're finished. The Ancients being alive would diminish the Shivan's role in the game as the "Great Destroyers".
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your wimpy wingmen
What difficulty do you play on?
Standard - which is Medium, IIRC. Harder levels would be next to impossible, unless your wingmen get an infusion of wits with higher levels. And, even the way it is, it doesn't take too many hits to vape you as it is.
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Hmm, would Command in that instance be Terran? If not, then you have a point. If so, then that's just Vasudan arrogance coming through, probably. It's just that Command's stupid enough that they actually deserve it.
Nope, it was Vasudan Command and Vasudan pilots. It was when you were flying with the Vasudans on that officer exchange program. I really liked flying Vasudan fighters, they handle much more smoothly and agile compared to the Terran fighters.
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your wimpy wingmen
What difficulty do you play on?
Standard - which is Medium, IIRC. Harder levels would be next to impossible, unless your wingmen get an infusion of wits with higher levels. And, even the way it is, it doesn't take too many hits to vape you as it is.
Wingmen get better on higher difficulty levels.
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I balance my own missions based on Insane. Actually, (iirc) hard gives 100%--medium, easy, and very easy all give reduced points. Insane is just better--my favorite thing is to start targeting enemy fighters and give wings the order to attack. If I do it correctly, I can eliminate wings very quickly and without 1v1 dogfights happening (where my guys would lose). It gets very interesting when you start shooting at your enemies just to keep them moving--it lets your wingmen let loose.
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Vasudan fighters, they handle much more smoothly and agile compared to the Terran fighters.
Yeah, I like that part... not so much the "Oh, ****, I let 5 shots manage to find me and now I'm space dust" part.
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Well, you can't have both. You can go for the Perseus which is a mix of a little of both qualities both it lacks the heavy armor and shields that Terran fighters have or the agility that Vasudan fighters have.
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Well, you can't have both. You can go for the Perseus which is a mix of a little of both qualities both it lacks the heavy armor and shields that Terran fighters have or the agility that Vasudan fighters have.
The Perseus is awesome.
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Well, you can't have both. You can go for the Perseus which is a mix of a little of both qualities both it lacks the heavy armor and shields that Terran fighters have or the agility that Vasudan fighters have.
The Perseus is awesome.
Yes it's good, until a slash beam or stray AAA beam cuts you in half :(
Personally I go with heavy fighters. You can always reduce speed and let more agile enemy fighters increase the distance in between, so it becomes easier to get a lock and gun them down (I kill lots of Dragons in a Herc 2 using this trick).
I still like Shivans though. Their juggernauts look like giant space zerglings ;7 and they use them in the same manner too (the Colossus killed a scout, the 80-100 others supernova Capella and lose a bunch of their own but the Shivans don't care)
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Yes it's good, until a slash beam or stray AAA beam cuts you in half :(
Avoid the beams and you won't get hit.
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That's easily said then done. Sometimes I swear they deliberately aim for me especially near the end of a mission. Nothing is more frustrating then almost beating a mission only to have a beam kill you without any warning.
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Well, you can't have both. You can go for the Perseus which is a mix of a little of both qualities both it lacks the heavy armor and shields that Terran fighters have or the agility that Vasudan fighters have.
The Perseus is awesome.
Yes it's good, until a slash beam or stray AAA beam cuts you in half :(
Personally I go with heavy fighters. You can always reduce speed and let more agile enemy fighters increase the distance in between, so it becomes easier to get a lock and gun them down (I kill lots of Dragons in a Herc 2 using this trick).
I still like Shivans though. Their juggernauts look like giant space zerglings ;7 and they use them in the same manner too (the Colossus killed a scout, the 80-100 others supernova Capella and lose a bunch of their own but the Shivans don't care)
I prefer the SF Mara (terrans) myself, but thats cheating, eh?
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Ill take a horus any day of the week. the mara's do own thou
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flying a mara is like btrl minus an extra 30 mps.
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Well, The Mara can dual-Kayser, hold 100+ Hornets, and 11 Trebs...
All with a very good speed, and excellent armor and shield systems
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That's easily said then done. Sometimes I swear they deliberately aim for me especially near the end of a mission. Nothing is more frustrating then almost beating a mission only to have a beam kill you without any warning.
Yes, hostile AAA beams do deliberately aim for you at the end of the mission. In fact, they always aim for you.
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That's easily said then done. Sometimes I swear they deliberately aim for me especially near the end of a mission. Nothing is more frustrating then almost beating a mission only to have a beam kill you without any warning.
Yes, hostile AAA beams do deliberately aim for you at the end of the mission. In fact, they always aim for you.
If you've ever done 'A Game of TAG' then you will know what I mean. Sometimes the ULTRA-anti-fighter beams on the Warspite skewer you along with the Shivan fighters when you TAG 'em from behind...1 hit KO in a Ulysses... :mad: Although I've been skewered by friendly AAAf beams several times when I try to gun down hostile fighters (ungrateful bastards...).
That said, give the Colossus all ULTRA anti-fighter beams, set the pilot and gunner AI to General and crank the difficulty to insane...and stay in a safe spot while watching Shivan wings get impaled from 4 km away :lol: (any fighters with 100 hp or less get instagibbed, like Dragons and Basilisks).
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That's easily said then done. Sometimes I swear they deliberately aim for me especially near the end of a mission. Nothing is more frustrating then almost beating a mission only to have a beam kill you without any warning.
Yes, hostile AAA beams do deliberately aim for you at the end of the mission. In fact, they always aim for you.
If you've ever done 'A Game of TAG' then you will know what I mean. Sometimes the ULTRA-anti-fighter beams on the Warspite skewer you along with the Shivan fighters when you TAG 'em from behind...1 hit KO in a Ulysses... :mad: Although I've been skewered by friendly AAAf beams several times when I try to gun down hostile fighters (ungrateful bastards...).
That said, give the Colossus all ULTRA anti-fighter beams, set the pilot and gunner AI to General and crank the difficulty to insane...and stay in a safe spot while watching Shivan wings get impaled from 4 km away :lol: (any fighters with 100 hp or less get instagibbed, like Dragons and Basilisks).
Whats the name of the Ultra fighter beam?
It isnt AAAf or AAAh. What is it exactly?
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Whats the name of the Ultra fighter beam?
It isnt AAAf or AAAh. What is it exactly?
It's called ULTRA-antifighter beam :D (well the weapon name starts with ULTRA)
The range is 4000 m, each pulse does at least 100 damage (it fires 3 pulses each burst at fighters/bombers/bombs, continuous if it's fired on warships), enough to 1-shot a Dragon/Basilisk. Switch the AAAf on a Colossus to the ULTRAs and watch as it grinds fighters and bombers like a beast :mad2: It'll even kill corvettes in reasonable order if there's enough focus fire :lol:
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Whats the name of the Ultra fighter beam?
It isnt AAAf or AAAh. What is it exactly?
It's called ULTRA-antifighter beam :D (well the weapon name starts with ULTRA)
The range is 4000 m, each pulse does at least 100 damage (it fires 3 pulses each burst at fighters/bombers/bombs, continuous if it's fired on warships), enough to 1-shot a Dragon/Basilisk. Switch the AAAf on a Colossus to the ULTRAs and watch as it grinds fighters and bombers like a beast :mad2: It'll even kill corvettes in reasonable order if there's enough focus fire :lol:
Nono. The code in fred.
Its aaa something. its aaa what?
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select ULTRA anti-fighter beam from the turret weapon list in FREd (weapons sub-editor, accessed from the ship editor)
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Whats the name of the Ultra fighter beam?
It isnt AAAf or AAAh. What is it exactly?
It's called ULTRA-antifighter beam :D (well the weapon name starts with ULTRA)
The range is 4000 m, each pulse does at least 100 damage (it fires 3 pulses each burst at fighters/bombers/bombs, continuous if it's fired on warships), enough to 1-shot a Dragon/Basilisk. Switch the AAAf on a Colossus to the ULTRAs and watch as it grinds fighters and bombers like a beast :mad2: It'll even kill corvettes in reasonable order if there's enough focus fire :lol:
Nono. The code in fred.
Its aaa something. its aaa what?
Yeah, the FRED code IS ULTRA anti-fighter beam. Oh and my mistake, the ULTRA does 165 dmg/pulse, 3 pulses a burst. Any attack against a Colossus armed with these will suffer massive casualties, as any light fighter (pretty much all Shivan craft except the Mara) dies to 1 hit, and the Colossus brings down 4-5 beams on a target at once, sometimes killing an entire wing because they were formed up too tightly so near-misses find hits :lol: .
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Nono. The code in fred.
Its aaa something. its aaa what?
The code in FRED is ULTRA Anti-Fighter Beam.