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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Hades on November 11, 2007, 12:21:10 am
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Yes I have permission from VA to use that part of the Aelous.
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My subspace drive.
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The first doesn't look real enough to be a ship.
The subspace drive looks sweet tho.
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Eh? What's wrong with the first one? :wtf:
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Eh? What's wrong with the first one? :wtf:
It doesn't look like a ship, it looks too calculated. It looks good, but a few extra details would be nice. Especially on some of the details at the back.
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What do you mean by, to calculated?
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I just like the simplicity of the design. It reminds me strong of a spaceship I have seen yesterday in a "Doctor Who" episode. That was basicly a cylinder with 4 kind of lookout structures at the top. Some landinggear at the buttom of the ship with boxes to store them. Adding some windows but thats it. Very simple but yet effective.
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What do you mean by, to calculated?
The back part doesn't look like it has any details, it just looks like a few fins coming out.
I'm not saying that it's a crap model, it's an excellent model, but it doesn't look realistic enough to be a real ship...
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Ok lets see if I understand...
It has to have details to look like a ship... :blah:
You do realize this is a WIP?
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Work on engines.
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So who is for keeping those things on the ends of the fins?
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Bomb by me.
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What about those engines?
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Wait, new missile models? (and apparently a turret model snuck in)...
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What part of the Aeolus does it use?
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almost all off it. :nervous:
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No, just the part that connect the end engines to the main hull. :rolleyes:
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Me likes...good so far :yes:
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Me likes...good so far :yes:
If you want Il PM you it in its current state. :)
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New ship.
Most of it based off of the IDA Frigate off of EV Nova.
With my own parts in it.
It is a cargo Frigate.
GTCFr is my classification.
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I dunno. The fore section is a bit too sharp.
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I dunno. The fore section is a bit too sharp.
I concur. Most of the GTVA's ships are blocky.
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Updates on engines.
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BTW that is how the IDA frigate's part right there is.
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5552 polys.
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Looks good. Watcha gonna call it?
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May I suggest the name Lupus? Is that a fast freighter? ;)
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It is a cargo frigate.
a GTCFr(TM).
Galactic
Terran
Cargo
Frgite
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Hmm thinking of a name...
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It is a cargo frigate.
a GTCFr(TM).
Galactic
Terran
Cargo
Frgite
r
Hmm thinking of a name...
:wtf:
I had the exact same idea, but I called it GTCr instead... Weiiiirddd
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Glaucus?
GTCFr Glaucus?
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Sounds good.
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It's lookin really good.
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Are there going to be textures? :nervous:
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Sadly I still cannot UVmap for my life...No one get any ideas now... :nervous:
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That's the problem... So many models just die and are never used...
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That's the problem... So many models just die and are never used...
If some one can UVmap and texture my favorite models by me (The GTCFr Glaucus, the subspace drive, the missile, and the cruiser made from that part off of the Aelous) I would rejoyce.
"Rejoyce Rejoyce"
"You have no freaking choice" :D
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Do you guys like this nose?
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Do you guys like this nose?
Does it open?
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Do you guys like this nose?
Does it open?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You and I both wish.
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It would be sooo cool... :(
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Update on the middle part.
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Added 4 more stems.
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The ship looks more like a Freighter than a frigate to me. With all these boxes and stuff and the centrale spine....still looking nicely.
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It is 6022 polys now.
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It is 6240 polys now.
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Finally got around to doing the back.
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Glaucus?
GTCFr Glaucus?
Glaucius.
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Glaucius.
Incorrect!!
In Greek mythology, Glaucus ("shiny," "bright" or "bluish-green") was the name of several different figures, including one God. These figures are sometimes referred to as Glaukos or Glacus.
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Glaucius in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
:P
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Me. Could use a bridge or a window or something. It would take two seconds.
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How about a few window dividers.
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Glaucius sounds better, though. You dou realise that Sathanas isn't the exact spelling either, don't you? Go play DEM.
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They both sound very close so I will not change it just because it has a I in . :p
I like Glaucus better and its my model so, :p.
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Textures... MUST HAVE TEXTURES!! :D
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Textures... MUST HAVE TEXTURES!! :D
IF I had Photo Shop, and knew how to make textures(:p)...
Also I need to learn how to UVmap....
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Would anyone be willing to finish this off?
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First of all you need to convert the model to a UV map, which, if you don't know, is the model with certain edges cut so that it lays flat. Output the UV map to an image file, like .JPG or.BMP. Open it with a free image editing program such as GIMP or Paint.NET. All it is is a bunch of lines showing the edges.
Paint your ship to resemble a Volkswagen Westfalia from the 60s. Import the texture back onto your model. I'm no expert (I'm learning MAX as I type) but I'm pretty sure that that's the gist of it.
EDIT: And from what I hear, Wings 3D can't UV map.
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I still have no idea how to do it.
Can some one please finish it, and release it public?
Here are Credits
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Hades-Model
?-Texturing and UVmap
Name=GTCFr Glaucus.
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Oh and just cause you UVmap and texture it does not mean you can change the name.
When it is all UVMapped and Textured I want to do the stats and tables.
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I'm reasonably certain you won't find anyone willing to texture it. Certainly not with a custom UV map & texture. The fact is that texture painting a texture tends to be far harder, is more tedious and takes a lot longer than it does to build the mesh itself.
When it comes to texturing, it's really a choice of either you doing it or it doesn't get done. There are loads of tuts in various programs out there on how to texture, so I'd say just give it a go and try and learn it. :)
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I'm reasonably certain you won't find anyone willing to texture it. Certainly not with a custom UV map & texture. The fact is that texture painting a texture tends to be far harder, is more tedious and takes a lot longer than it does to build the mesh itself.
When it comes to texturing, it's really a choice of either you doing it or it doesn't get done. There are loads of tuts in various programs out there on how to texture, so I'd say just give it a go and try and learn it. :)
I would try Max but as some people say "Poor people cannot model".
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*whispers: I've got Max!
I'm just learning how to use it.
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I would try Max but as some people say "Poor people cannot model".
Wait, since when is that an excuse to not learn how to texture? :p
I'm not familier with Wings' capabilities, but if you can't uv map and apply textures in it, then learn Blender or Lithunwrap. Both are free, and although Lith doesn't have a tenth of the power of Blenders UV mapper and no model editing abilities at all, it's still a good UVing tool. :)
As for free 2d image making programs, I would recommend you look into The Gimp or Paint.NET.
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As for free 2d image making programs, I would recommend you look into The Gimp or Paint.NET.
Is vhat I zay!!
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Well, I guess this is going to die...
Unless Oddgrim comes back and wants it...
I try for 10 minutes in Blender and I couldn't even learn how to select 2 objects at once...
Since I cannot UVmap I just will not model any more.
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http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/UvUnwrapping/Suzanne
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There's no reason you can't learn to UV map if you have learned to model. I mean it's not like you can be born with modelling skills but not UV mapping skills - you just have to learn them. It was months before I even heard UV mapping mentioned when I began to model, and once I did try it out it took me quite a while to get the hang of it. You can't expect it to just pop into your head just like that!
And dude - 10 mins in any program is barely enough time to learn _anything_ about it. Let alone a program with an interface like blenders. :p
Blender has a very newbie unfriendly interface, but that's not to say it has a slow learning curve. It just looks scary when you first open it and go 'AAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!' at all the buttons.
There are some really good tutorials all over the place, and even some excellent video tutorials here: http://www.blender.org/tutorials-help/video-tutorials/getting-started/
Watch those and you'll get a feel for how the interface and various operations work, and from there you'll have a solid knowledge base you can expand on. It's 6 or 7 years since I started using blender, and I'm still amazed at the new functionality I continually find in it. ;)
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I tried Blender, and I just didn't like the interface, even after 12 hours of learning. I tried Max, courtesy of my uncle (He is a 3D modeler, but is getting out of the trade) and after 8 or so hours, I am amazed at how easy it is for me compared to Blender. Some people just find different interfaces easier. But Hades, if you have only spent 10 minutes in Blender, that's not nearly enough time. Spend a good couple of hours, UV mapping is half of modeling.
Oh and VA, why do you write _this_ instead of [u]this[/u]?
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Heh, I tried 3ds for days doing tuts and the like. Though not nearly as cumbersome as TS, it just never felt right. Then I found that blender was able to do most of the things I was trying to do in max anyway. ;)
(and also I hated the modifier stack, though I can see how it'd be good for animating)
And if you underline something it looks like a link. Doing _this_ I reckon is a stronger emphasis than just this.
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Is Max too much for modeling? I know it'll do it fine, but it seems more keyed to animation, as most of the tutorial book I've been reading has been about animation. What features does Max have over Blender speaking strictly in FS modeling? Max takes up a lot of HD space on my already shrinking (dying) drive, and I don't know why, but Blender looks more appealing. I don't plan on pursuing a career track in modeling, and if at all possible, I'd like to use Blender rather than Max. what I want to know is: Will I lose any functionality?
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For goodness' sake, use lvlshot and take pictures of something other than a crazy close up of one portion of the ship...
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Guys my computer has viruses and spyware and I have no idea how that happened.
So I might not be able to finish these ships in the near future.
Hades signing off.
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Downloading movies, music, pr0n, illegal wares. Pick yer poison.
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Ok I did none of that stuff.
Ok it is getting resolved.
I have two programs blocking and scanning my computer.
Maybe this tragic story is not so tragic as all. :)
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What have you/your parents/siblings downloaded? I don't mean those things, I mean anything.
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Is Max too much for modeling? I know it'll do it fine, but it seems more keyed to animation, as most of the tutorial book I've been reading has been about animation. What features does Max have over Blender speaking strictly in FS modeling? Max takes up a lot of HD space on my already shrinking (dying) drive, and I don't know why, but Blender looks more appealing. I don't plan on pursuing a career track in modeling, and if at all possible, I'd like to use Blender rather than Max. what I want to know is: Will I lose any functionality?
Difficult question to answer there. I can only fairly answer it based on what I'm familier with in blender.
Blender certainly wins the HD space game though - latest one is about 20-25mb. I even have a copy of the folder on my flash memory stick, so I can run blender on any computer with a graphics card. It's quite handy, and the small overall footprint makes backing up a pinch - another thing that would be important on a failing HDD. ;)
As for features..... hmm. There might be some features max has that would make certain parts of ship modelling a bit easier in max, but I honestly have no idea what they would be. Ie, I've never gone 'I wish blender had feature X from max'. Blender has a very powerful mesh editor in terms of flexability, efficiency and feature set, and DaBrain & Water recently pointed out that there's a sculpting mode as well, which is going to prove invaluable for non-human ship models and normal map making.
Beyond that, there's a great UV editor with auto-unwrap abilities (something that would have been oh-so-handy for me while I was using lith) that you can control by making specific edges into 'seams', and as I'm only now looking into, a really powerful set of rendering tools including the ability to bake ambient occlusion into a texture (you know that cool clay render shading look the star wars mod uses a lot?) that can then be applied to a texture map as a kind of ambience control layer.
Finally, I know I sound worse than a salesman, but here's what I've been experimenting with recently:
(Click the pics for 2 brief videos)
(http://sectorgame.com/ti-file-dump/VasudanAdmiral/Videos/TurretFire.jpg) (http://sectorgame.com/ti-file-dump/VasudanAdmiral/Videos/TurretFireTest4.avi)
(http://sectorgame.com/ti-file-dump/VasudanAdmiral/Videos/ThrusterParticles.jpg) (http://sectorgame.com/ti-file-dump/VasudanAdmiral/Videos/BlenderEngineTest2.avi)
Edit: Gah! Sorry Hades - I seem to be accidentally attempting to hijack your thread. :nervous:
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Max is sorta like MS Word... Theres a lot of stuff included with it, but for us, a lot isn't really needed (animation, nurb modelling, character animation, reactor) And like Word, theres also something new to find. Rendering and baking with max is also very easy and quite powerful (also can be quite time consuming. ala mental ray) UVmapping can be done using a combination of uv map and uv unwrapping. (Map is for simple planar, cylinder, box styles) and unwrapping also for exact vertex manipulation.
For ambient occlusion, just add a skylight, set the advanced lighting to light tracer and render.
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Guns on my favorite ship I have made my self, and a new transport that isn't a flying paper ship.
EDIT:I wonder if I am the only 12 year old who can model and not suck at it...
I might get a resin print of this, or the HTL Orion.
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It's looking good, but IMHO it needs more bulkiness at the back. (:nervous:)
Have you tried POFing at all yet? Are you good at it? I could use some Modelers for my project, or at the very least people who can POF. For some reason, I don't have the relativly little amount of ability required to POF, or modeling ability past any level where fighters have the same amount of polys as cap ships. :nervous:
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I can convert (I hope) but I will not try to POF unless I can get it UVmaped and textured...
EDIT:Its over 7k polys and I need to stop because its not triangulated and when it is it will be more than x2 the polys...
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Can any one find a UVmaping and texturing tutorial for blender?
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Its not in game and firing upon another ship!
Jk of course. :p
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That thing just screams PIRATE SHIP!!!
Mainly because it looks like a civvie ship outfitted with a buttload of weaponry.
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It only has 25 guns,
8 flak
4 Bgreens
10 AAAF
3 HugeTerranturret (Will fire 4 times as fast)
No, its a GTVA ship thank god. :D
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Can any one find a UVmaping and texturing tutorial for blender?
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http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/UvUnwrapping/Suzanne
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I may have done the UVs...
More to come on FOX 6!!!!!
J/K of course. :p
New on FOX 6!!!! (J/K)
It didn't work... :(
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Size comparison to Iceni.
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You can UV Map in Wings3D
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It only has 25 guns,
8 flak
4 Bgreens
10 AAAF
3 HugeTerranturret (Will fire 4 times as fast)
At first I thought it was a super cargo hauler but now it seems to me like its the pocket super destroyer of the new age which the French revolutionists will use to take over the GTVA.
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It only has 25 guns,
8 flak
4 Bgreens
10 AAAF
3 HugeTerranturret (Will fire 4 times as fast)
At first I thought it was a super cargo hauler but now it seems to me like its the pocket super destroyer of the new age which the French revolutionists will use to take over the GTVA.
Now its 1 Bgreen, 4 MGreens, 10 AAAF, 8 Flak, and 3 HugeTerranTurretstharfiremuchfaster.
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Still sounds like the pocket super destroyer of the new age which the French revolutionists will use to take over the GTVA.
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Still sounds like the pocket super destroyer of the new age which the French revolutionists will use to take over the GTVA.
Mgreens can't match Bgreen.
BTW, the Iceni has 3 Bgreens and my ship is a bit bigger in volume.
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But this is a cargo hauler. The Iceni is a heavily armed frigate.
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But this is a cargo hauler. The Iceni is a heavily armed frigate.
That is why its a Cargo Frigate, so it can carry cargo without being shot to hell by bombers or cruisers/corvettes like the Freighters can.
EDIT:Even can't be klled by fighters like a Freighter 2.
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What's the point of all of the guns? Cargo ships aren't supposed to take parts in actual engagements, just go from point A to B. IMHO, take off the guns, give it like 150,000 armor and fast engines (40m/s). It'd be like a blockade runner.
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Your missing the point, it is not a fighting ship. It has guns to defend itself from attackers.
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150000 armor? That's more that a Hatshepsut! Give it two AAAs, four flak cannons, 25000 HP.
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150000 armor? That's more that a Hatshepsut! Give it two AAAs, four flak cannons, 25000 HP.
First post on PSP!
Anyway I like its weapons like they are, but I probably will change it.
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My PSP always crashes on HLP, not enough RAM; unfortunately you can't use your memory stick. How did you pull it off?
Dekker also posts from his PSP.
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Mine is new(I got it for Christmas)
It came in the Daxter pack with 1 gig memory.
Other wise I don`t know.
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Your missing the point, it is not a fighting ship. It has guns to defend itself from attackers.
It doesn't need 5 beam canons to defend itself. It has a larger armament than a Deimos. This is like putting Tomahawk missile batteries, 16 inch guns, 15 CIWS emplacements and nuclear tipped torpedoes on a navy freighter.
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It doesn't need 5 beam canons to defend itself. It has a larger armament than a Deimos. This is like putting Tomahawk missile batteries, 16 inch guns, 15 CIWS emplacements and nuclear tipped torpedoes on a navy freighter.
Not a navy freighter, a fishing boat.
Seriously man, BGreens are not needed to defend itself! SGreens or TerSlashes are more than enough!! :eek:
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I still think that my armament is more fitting for a freighter of this size.
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I say more than 25,000 HP, but other than that it's fine.
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See guys, it is A Heavy Frigate, with cargo attachments.
*Mumbles to him self*
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Oh, and by "that's fine" I meant cole's armament, not your overkill one. But it's your choice, of course. :)
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Ok now its
1Bgreen
4Sgreens :mad:
8 AAAF
8 flak
3 fastfiringLargeTerranTurret
2 Parannas
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Well if I use it in my mod I'm definitely changing the stats...
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:necro:
Update, I made a variant.
It has 1 wing of fighters and 1 wing of bombers.
I learned to UV map, but I need to learn even more about it.
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*facepalm
This is the queer of ship classes. It is confused as to whether it should be a corvette, destroyer, or freighter.
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None of those. It is a Frigate with cargo pods and a fighter bay. :P
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What about those engines?
When will you people realize that a billion thrusters don't make it look cool?
Otherwise, it seems quite well done to me. Like it much; but it's not a frigate. I can't really see that pwning teh bad gyz. Just shipping goods. (Albeit valuable goods!)
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That is a cruiser, a completely different ship. :P
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So a cargo hauler really needs destroyer-class armament, huh?
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What is it? A heavy armed freighter or a cargo destroyer?
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Ok now its
1Bgreen
4Sgreens
8 AAAF
8 flak
3 fastfiringLargeTerranTurret
2 Parannas
I'd change that to: 4 AAAf, 6 Flak, 3 ffLTTurrets, and 6 Subachs maybe, because it has 4x the AAA beams of an Aeolus...
And for those who don't like the BGreen or the fact it has 26 turrets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Indiaman -a merchant ship class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arniston_%28ship%29 -an East Indiaman with 58 guns, about half of what Ships of the line (the largest class of Navy ships of the Age of Sail) used.
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A BGreen can destroy a Hecate in 4 hits. But if you think a cargo hauler should be able to kill the most recent destroyer of the time in 4 hits, fine by me. The Lilith as an LRed anyway.
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Well, after finding a historical merchant ship that could challenge almost anything any navy could use against it- I do think it's not overkill...
Just give it the HP of a Mentu and speed of a Leviathan for balancing or something.
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Well if I do use this in my mod I'd probably change the armament. Unless Hades... Ahem... Objects.
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
Okay I'll STFU now.
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An IDA frigate, more or less, eh?
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
Hey, that's a pretty good idea. Now we need to make pods that have various weapons on them, such as more BFGreens with their own power sources in the pod... :D
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No. To UberpowerfulTM for a Frigate.
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
Exactly. Why for the love of God does a heavy frigate even need cargo pods?
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
Exactly. Why for the love of God does a heavy frigate even need cargo pods?
It is an alternative to freighters which die easily.
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For the last time, It is a Heavy Frigate with cargo pods attached to it! :rolleyes:
Exactly. Why for the love of God does a heavy frigate even need cargo pods?
It is an alternative to freighters which die easily.
So it's not a heavy frigate, it's a freighter? A heavy frigate doesn't have cargo pods.
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No, it is a cargo frigate that they would use to carry more important and valuable stuff.
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No, it is a cargo frigate that they would use to carry more important and valuable stuff.
And "cargo frigate" is an impractical ship design. You'd use one about twice every year; every other logistical movement of supplies is either not easily accessible to the enemy, not important enough to draw their attention, or well escorted enough to not need to bother with this. And no one would spend their money on a ship that's this expensive to use it that little.
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I like the concept now it's been clarified. Vip cargo ftw. I'm sick of losing a mission cos argos getting smacked. Original too. :nod:
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No, it is a cargo frigate that they would use to carry more important and valuable stuff.
And "cargo frigate" is an impractical ship design. You'd use one about twice every year; every other logistical movement of supplies is either not easily accessible to the enemy, not important enough to draw their attention, or well escorted enough to not need to bother with this. And no one would spend their money on a ship that's this expensive to use it that little.
It would be vital for the GTVA's special cargo to be safe so they would use the Frigates instead of weak freighters.
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I could see independent captains or shipping conglomerates (or even mercenaries) use these things far more than governments. They're technically bulk freighters under the law, making them legal to own, but their armaments suggest otherwise... :drevil:
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No, it is a cargo frigate that they would use to carry more important and valuable stuff.
And "cargo frigate" is an impractical ship design. You'd use one about twice every year; every other logistical movement of supplies is either not easily accessible to the enemy, not important enough to draw their attention, or well escorted enough to not need to bother with this. And no one would spend their money on a ship that's this expensive to use it that little.
It would be vital for the GTVA's special cargo to be safe so they would use the Frigates instead of weak freighters.
See my previous post in this thread for my refute.
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No, it is a cargo frigate that they would use to carry more important and valuable stuff.
And "cargo frigate" is an impractical ship design. You'd use one about twice every year; every other logistical movement of supplies is either not easily accessible to the enemy, not important enough to draw their attention, or well escorted enough to not need to bother with this. And no one would spend their money on a ship that's this expensive to use it that little.
It would be vital for the GTVA's special cargo to be safe so they would use the Frigates instead of weak freighters.
first i like the idea
but its on the other hand indeed impractical
weak freighters have cruisers and fighers escorts to cover there asses right?
but still its a good idea
but my opinion is to make it not as powerfull als the iceni etc but less weaker maybe even weaker than a corvette cuz i think that cargoships that blowing up everything.. just a weird idea
but ey
thats my opinion :)
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Cruisers and fighters arent enough. You can pilot fast fighters in swarms and still kill the cargo ships, no matter of the escort. :P
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Cruisers and fighters arent enough. You can pilot fast fighters in swarms and still kill the cargo ships, no matter of the escort. :P
true
but sooner or later you also kill the frigatefreighter :P!
you can destroy freighters with fighters and bombers
but the same story is with frigates and destroyers or bigger :hypocrite:
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first i like the idea
but its on the other hand indeed impractical
weak freighters have cruisers and fighers escorts to cover there asses right?
but still its a good idea
but my opinion is to make it not as powerfull als the iceni etc but less weaker maybe even weaker than a corvette cuz i think that cargoships that blowing up everything.. just a weird idea
but ey
thats my opinion :)
So read about the East Indiaman and the idea won't be weird. Also- an Orion, Hatshepsut, Iceni and every other serious warship will kill this Fr-Ff in 3.2 seconds, so it's not going to pwn everything in it's path.
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Cruisers and fighters arent enough. You can pilot fast fighters in swarms and still kill the cargo ships, no matter of the escort. :P
Guess what? You can do that to any GTVA ship, including this ship. And just because this is a frigate won't change anything. The cargo pods are external. You'd need just as big an escort as any other convoy, and then some, because if these frigates truly were to carry the most vital wares in the GTVA, whoever will be attacking it sure as heck knows it's important just because they have the frigate shipping it.
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Cruisers and fighters arent enough. You can pilot fast fighters in swarms and still kill the cargo ships, no matter of the escort. :P
Guess what? You can do that to any GTVA ship, including this ship. And just because this is a frigate won't change anything. The cargo pods are external. You'd need just as big an escort as any other convoy, and then some, because if these frigates truly were to carry the most vital wares in the GTVA, whoever will be attacking it sure as heck knows it's important just because they have the frigate shipping it.
Pirates and other races still attack freighters anyway. :P :rolleyes:
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Cruisers and fighters arent enough. You can pilot fast fighters in swarms and still kill the cargo ships, no matter of the escort. :P
Guess what? You can do that to any GTVA ship, including this ship. And just because this is a frigate won't change anything. The cargo pods are external. You'd need just as big an escort as any other convoy, and then some, because if these frigates truly were to carry the most vital wares in the GTVA, whoever will be attacking it sure as heck knows it's important just because they have the frigate shipping it.
Pirates and other races still attack freighters anyway. :P :rolleyes:
Yes, how about that? And in what way does this make my argument less true?
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Pirates might at least be deterred if the ship carrying the supplies has a decent chance of defending itself.
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Why not make it more of a Q-ship? That way both sides of this argument will be happy.
Make one version with freighter-class weapons . . .ie, no BGreens . . . largely defensive guns etcetera. Maybe one or two small anti-ship beams as their precedent for it on the Medical Cruiser.
And then you can also have a Q-ship version, which isn't really a freighter at all, but instead it's basically a warship. If you have like a convoy of a few of these frieghters, say 3, then someone gets wise and decides to jump them to steal the cargo they realise "oh boy, that one freighter's packing a lot of heat" and sends the enemy running. Or alternatively, some pirates can sneak one of these heavier armed ships into a convoy to jump the other freighters at an opportune time.
Or the odd heavily-armed ship could be a deterrent to attack the class a whole since raiders won't know what sort their target is. So say you have a ratio of 5 freighters to 1 freighter frigate or somesuch.
Or alternatively, maybe the Freighter Frigate represents an auxilliary upgrade. Basically a second line warship pushed into service in defense of the GTVA in time of war. Normally it's a freighter, but in times of war it becomes a pseudo-warship.
See the thing about putting guns on a freighter is, the more guns you have on the ship, the less room you have for cargo. Which generally isn't profitable. If the cargo is sensitive enough to design an entirely new ship class for it just to transport it, why not just transport it on a warship? An Orion has cargo capacity like any other ship, that's how it carries its food and so forth.
Furthermore one question to ask is, how many types of cargo are both:
A - Important enough to justify the development and production of a new ship class
B - Bulky enough to require a dedicated freighter style ship with a large cargo capacity.
And one last thing . . . freighters generally aren't designed to defend themselves because they aren't supposed to see combat. Even in a convoy attack, the support warships and fighters should engage the enemy before they even get the chance to attack the freighter. If a freighter is required to defend itself, whoever's escorting it is already NOT doing their job. Freighters don't need to take a lot of hits because if the escort is adequate, they shouldn't take any in the first place. Of course to really ensure this, you'd need all around coverage like the Bastion got when it blew the node.
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I say it's a good idea. BGreen may be slightly overpowered but I still support the concept of an "armed cargo frigate." It could be a ship for transporting large amounts of crap through enemy space, instead of using a load of Tritons which need a load of cruisers, corvettes and fighters to effectively protect (taking Alpha 1 out of the equation, of course). Instead of using a convoy of Tritons which need a lot of escort to protect (escort which should be used elsewhere), you send just one of these things in and it will blow away any cruiser or corvette that attacks it.
Why not make it more of a Q-ship? That way both sides of this argument will be happy.
Q-ships don't seem to work in FreeSpace. It's been discussed many times before but people always point stuff out like, [press-k]...
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Why not make it more of a Q-ship? That way both sides of this argument will be happy.
Q-ships don't seem to work in FreeSpace. It's been discussed many times before but people always point stuff out like, [press-k]...
Targeting a subsystem tells you that it's a beam turret, it doesn't tell you if it's an AAAf or a TerSlash though. There's a certain amount of Q-shipping that can be done. If the pirates rely on gunboats (ie armed freighters) to do their dirty work, then anti-ship beams instead of AAAf become quite effective for example.
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Q ship idea is ok. But i don't see what's wrong with making a destroyer with a bit more capacity than normal. They could be refit as vip transports or arms couriers. God knows scurvy space pirates want guns.
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New ship. Possible Civilian Liner.
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New ship. Possible Civilian Liner.
I'm liking the paneling a great deal.
And maybe you disagree, but I think it should look less blocky; though it is a Civilian Liner.
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New Super Freighter.
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Looks more like a cargo container than a ship to me. How about modelling a freighter to go with it?
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I thought that would have been an original Steadfast feature :P
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Updated cylinder pods on the Glaucus.
EDIT: What about a Cargo Container with engines? It moves by its self to new places. :D
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Are you sure about the name? Do you really like "Glaucus"?
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Yes.
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I still like Glaucius better.
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But that is not proper Greek spelling. So it kind of defeats the purpose of naming it after a Greek god. :\
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But that is not proper Greek spelling. So it kind of defeats the purpose of naming it after a Greek god. :\
If it sounds better, it is better.
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Gla-u-c-e-us OR Gla-u-cus. I like the latter better. :P
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And I the former.
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I would be the dominant Allele in this case because... it is my model. :P
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But the recessive allele never goes away. Even it the condition it carries is fatal ... it will stay in a corner of the genetic pool.
I prefer the former anyway. That would make one dominant and two reces ... wait you can't have three alleles. One has to go.
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One of the recessives would go because they are not dominant, the dominant one is dominant.
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name spellings and now genetics?
I just can't keep up! :P
More update pics pls!!!!
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One of the recessives would go because they are not dominant, the dominant one is dominant.
That's not how genetics works.
Actually you could have three alleles. If you have a third copy of a chromosome (it happens). But then you get really messed up and probably have some weird condition that may be fatal.
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huh? you can have 3 parents?
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huh? you can have 3 parents?
No but you can have a Threesome...
The only way that could happen is if both chromosomes go into one gamete, which I doubt to be possible.
Law of Segregation...
I will ask my science teacher. :P
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It is possible, but it is very uncommon.
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Details on my cruiser.
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:yes:
huh? you can have 3 parents?
I have 4 of them, so... :P
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Nice cruiser. Too bad it's probably never going to be converted.. :(
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Well I did learn to UV map, but I need some exp on it. I might go kill that troll and see if that will help.
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(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1858/78677207gy0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2476/59495584hf4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2476/59495584hf4.6ac5a9c706.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=522&i=59495584hf4.jpg)
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Nice, but possibly for your next design you could move away from the "greebled coffin" configuration.
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What is so wrong about Coffins with guns? :P (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,49319.0.html)
EDIT: Btw this model has ben in my shipyards before you knew what HLP was Blowfish. :P
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Fair enough. But what I was trying to say is, a few greebled coffins is ok, but they get repetitive after a while.
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IMO you should edit the title of this thread ;)
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IMO you should edit the title of this thread ;)
Umm to what?
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The dead fleet.
And as for the whole Glaucus, Glauceus, Glaucius thing, not all the FS ship names are spelled correctly. Sathanas is not right, the correct spelling is Satanas. Haven't you people played DEM?
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The dead fleet.
And as for the whole Glaucus, Glauceus, Glaucius thing, not all the FS ship names are spelled correctly. Sathanas is not right, the correct spelling is Satanas. Haven't you people played DEM?
Stop bringing that up. I have chosen the name.
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IMO you should edit the title of this thread ;)
Umm to what?
To the name of the model, for example?!?
The dead fleet.
And as for the whole Glaucus, Glauceus, Glaucius thing, not all the FS ship names are spelled correctly. Sathanas is not right, the correct spelling is Satanas. Haven't you people played DEM?
That's funny. I didn't really have to play DEM to learn something about spelling words. What worries me is the pronunciation, names like Deimos and Orion are miserably spelled in FS2.
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That's funny. I didn't really have to play DEM to learn something about spelling words. What worries me is the pronunciation, names like Deimos and Orion are miserably spelled in FS2.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? It's not like everyone is fluent in every single bloody European language. Besides, they're not misspelled, :v: used those spellings on purpose.
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That's funny. I didn't really have to play DEM to learn something about spelling words. What worries me is the pronunciation, names like Deimos and Orion are miserably spelled in FS2.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? It's not like everyone is fluent in every single bloody European language. Besides, they're not misspelled, :v: used those spellings on purpose.
Aye. What is :v:, is canon. And seriously. FreeSpace isn't "Learn Latin/Greek/Italian/Swedish with Timmy Terran, Vince Vasudan and Sammy Shivan". It's a ****ing spaceship-shooting-3D-****-the-physics action game.
Edit: Arigato, almost forgot our Shivan friends.
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Aye. What is :v:, is canon. And seriously. FreeSpace isn't "Learn Latin/Greek/Italian/Swedish with Timmy Terran and Vince Vasudan". It's a ****ing spaceship-shooting-3D-****-the-physics action game.
Don't forget the meanie Sammy Shivan.
Remember, Mobius, the people who made FS2 weren't genii (****ing plurals). They didn't know everything about physics, about astronomy and ancient languages. They just did what was cool and what would go well with people. Naming Capella HD375823552343432 may have been astronomically appropriate, but that would be utterly stupid and uncool.
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You're exaggerating...
There's a mix of names. Why "Aquitaine", which is English, and "Messana", which is Latin(just to give an example)?
Stars are homes...HD375823552343432 isn't as appropriate as Capella. FS features many systems whose names don't appear in our maps, possibly for the reason explained before.
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There's a mix of names. Why "Aquitaine", which is English, and "Messana", which is Latin(just to give an example)?
So? It doesn't matter. Those aren't what I call misspelled. They're different languages. What I call misspelled is something like Loosifer which isn't a word in any language.
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IMO you should edit the title of this thread ;)
Umm to what?
To the name of the model, for example?!? There are several models in this thread, they just all look like coffins.
The dead fleet.
And as for the whole Glaucus, Glauceus, Glaucius thing, not all the FS ship names are spelled correctly. Sathanas is not right, the correct spelling is Satanas. Haven't you people played DEM?
That's funny. I didn't really have to play DEM to learn something about spelling words. What worries me is the pronunciation, names like Deimos and Orion are miserably spelled in FS2.
Not in my books.
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IMO you should edit the title of this thread ;)
Umm to what?
To the name of the model, for example?!? There are several models in this thread, they just all look like coffins.
The dead fleet.
And as for the whole Glaucus, Glauceus, Glaucius thing, not all the FS ship names are spelled correctly. Sathanas is not right, the correct spelling is Satanas. Haven't you people played DEM?
That's funny. I didn't really have to play DEM to learn something about spelling words. What worries me is the pronunciation, names like Deimos and Orion are miserably spelled in FS2.
Not in my books.
They all don't look like coffins ass-for-eyes.
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No but their general shape is that of a coffin.
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No but their general shape is that of a coffin.
How in the hell is the Glaucus the shape of a coffin?
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The point is, almost all of your ships look like big long rectangular things (you can see this even in ship like the Glaucus). Perhaps you could add a little variety.
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The point is, almost all of your ships look like big long rectangular things (you can see this even in ship like the Glaucus). Perhaps you could add a little variety.
:rolleyes:
Wouldn't that make the Deimos one? Wouldn't that make anyship that has a long rectangular shape?
Bull****.
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In a way ... but the thing about most of your ships is that they either look like a big coffin, or most of their hull is composed of various shapes arranged into regular geometric shapes (like squared and octagons) along the XY plane. Plus, they are almost completely symmetrical top to bottom. The Deimos does have that general shape, but it has some vertical variation, plus some interesting curves, and a couple of engines sticking out of the bottom (the engines are complex shapes, not just simple fin like things). And that is just one ship. There are plenty of ships in FS2 (like the Hecate) that look nothing like that (well, I suppose if you strip the Hecate down enough, it could be made to resemble a long box, but it has additions to it that actually contribute to the general shape, rather than looking like they were stuck on with duct tape).
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In a way ... but the thing about most of your ships is that they either look like a big coffin, or most of their hull is composed of various shapes arranged into regular geometric shapes (like squared and octagons) along the XY plane. Plus, they are almost completely symmetrical top to bottom. The Deimos does have that general shape, but it has some vertical variation, plus some interesting curves, and a couple of engines sticking out of the bottom (the engines are complex shapes, not just simple fin like things). And that is just one ship. There are plenty of ships in FS2 (like the Hecate) that look nothing like that (well, I suppose if you strip the Hecate down enough, it could be made to resemble a long box, but it has additions to it that actually contribute to the general shape, rather than looking like they were stuck on with duct tape).
Cronos, Glaucus, escape pod, another freighter, cruise liner are all not symmetrical top to bottom dumbass.
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The Claucus is, except for that fin thing sticking out of the bottom. Many others suffer from this same condition, others just look like boxes with minor to to bottom variation, or a combination of the two. This was meant to be constructive criticism. How did it turn into a flame war?
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The Claucus is, except for that fin thing sticking out of the bottom. Many others suffer from this same condition, others just look like boxes with minor to to bottom variation, or a combination of the two. This was meant to be constructive criticism. How did it turn into a flame war?
What about the front nose section thingy, and the back engines get skinnier as they get to the bottom.
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Well, I suppose. But we're digressing from the point here (partially my fault for not being clear enough). The point is that most of your ships follow a general long and rectangular shape. I was only suggesting that you put some variation in your future models.
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Cronos, Glaucus, escape pod, another freighter, cruise liner are all not symmetrical top to bottom dumbass.
Wow there, that's not called for.
As he's said, it's intended to be constructive criticism, and he does have a point. Each ship is fine on its own - but if you look at them as a group you can definitely see a common shape between them with a couple of minor variations.
The smaller detail on them is all fine, along with the way the hull is formed, but it's the overall shape that is relatively simple. I suppose the best way to see what we mean is to compare the side on outline of any of these ships with just about any terran ship in FS. The retail ones may have far less greeblage and fewer polys, but their forms are much more complex.
If you are intentionally making them this way for any reason, that's fine - there's certainly nothing wrong with the idea. If you're after a wider and more varied fleet though, you'd be best to add more 'parts' to the overall form. Look at other ships for all the inspiration you could get in terms of features and shapes you could incorporate into your designs. :)
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Cronos, Glaucus, escape pod, another freighter, cruise liner are all not symmetrical top to bottom dumbass.
Wow there, that's not called for.
As he's said, it's intended to be constructive criticism, and he does have a point. Each ship is fine on its own - but if you look at them as a group you can definitely see a common shape between them with a couple of minor variations.
The smaller detail on them is all fine, along with the way the hull is formed, but it's the overall shape that is relatively simple. I suppose the best way to see what we mean is to compare the side on outline of any of these ships with just about any terran ship in FS. The retail ones may have far less greeblage and fewer polys, but their forms are much more complex.
If you are intentionally making them this way for any reason, that's fine - there's certainly nothing wrong with the idea. If you're after a wider and more varied fleet though, you'd be best to add more 'parts' to the overall form. Look at other ships for all the inspiration you could get in terms of features and shapes you could incorporate into your designs. :)
Eh sorry I Was tired. And they being this shape would make them easier to produce and cheaper. Besides who said military ships are supposed to be beautiful?
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And they being this shape would make them easier to produce and cheaper. Besides who said military ships are supposed to be beautiful?
The fact that the GTVA would spend so much on blue paint?
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And they being this shape would make them easier to produce and cheaper. Besides who said military ships are supposed to be beautiful?
The fact that the GTVA would spend so much on blue paint?
:wakka:
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And they being this shape would make them easier to produce and cheaper. Besides who said military ships are supposed to be beautiful?
The fact that the GTVA would spend so much on blue paint?
:wakka:
Blue paint isn't expensive :P.
I have a new pocket destroyer and a new cruiser but I will post pictures of the cruiser later.
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Nice. But it looks more like a freighter or mega-transport to me.
EDIT: Spelling
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Those four "legs" on top and bottom, between the gun turrets look weird.
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And they being this shape would make them easier to produce and cheaper. Besides who said military ships are supposed to be beautiful?
The fact that the GTVA would spend so much on blue paint?
:wakka:
Double :wakka:
The very first ship image made me think of the Behemoth Super Weapon from Wing Commander 3.
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Speaking of this: any news from hades combine? will it go back on line soon?
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Hey Hades, maybe you're interested in making some Ancient ships ? ;) :p
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hades is not in any way affiliated with hades combine. its just a coincidence.
And i like it, it makes me thing of a version of the carrier from WCS, that's been beefed up for a direct knife-fight with other capital ships.
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Whoops, my bad, sorry!
Anyhow, I hope it'll come online again. Great job hades.
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Those four "legs" on top and bottom, between the gun turrets look weird.
Those are for windows.Nice. But it looks more like a freighter or mega-transport to me.
EDIT: Spelling
IS that because of the docks? Because if that is so I can get rid of the docks.
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Hey Hades, maybe you're interested in making some Ancient ships ? ;) :p
I really never tried anything but Terran ships and I would need to start practicing before I fully commit to making those types of ships.
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You could start making them as practice for a start.
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Hades, will you please convert these ships? AFAIK you haven't gotten any in the game.
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Scoob put one of Hade's ships in-game
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Scoob put one of Hade's ships in-game
Huh? Which one... I thought that I haven't released any ships yet.
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Cruiser.
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Nice...
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Anyone think that the second shot is a little phallic?
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Anyone think that the second shot is a little phallic?
If you post any more of that nonsense again I'll delete your post. How old is that joke? :rolleyes:
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What joke? It does! :rolleyes:
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Fine, whatever.
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Anyone think that the second shot is a little phallic?
:rolleyes: Grow up :rolleyes:
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(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4499/42668942.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/42668942.jpg/) (http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/42668942.jpg/1/w950.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img37/42668942.jpg/1/)
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9827/59814520.th.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59814520.jpg)
These are both two variants of the same ship. I can't tell you much about this ship, more than it will most likely be a super freighter or sorts.
This WILL actually be getting in game - ground breaking, I'm sure.
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I'm not sharing that image on Twitter.
Looks like a space oil-tanker. BSG-esque.
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It's good! The only part I don't like is the skinniness of the bottom part.
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I dig it.
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Looks vaguely Deimosesque.
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(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5525/25869722.jpg) (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25869722.jpg)
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Looks familiar, but I can't place it.
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Some good alterations to the nose and a big box on the bottom of it and you would have the Kunn-Lan from Homeworld: Cataclysm.
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(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4695/54819414.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54819414.jpg)
This is a gas miner variant of the hull frame of the freighter.
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Its got legsssss!
The freighter looks good though.
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Since I used to work on a Dairy farm many moons ago, I cant help but think this thing looks like a cow with huge udders. Yeah I know I'm warped in the head at the moment. :D
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(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5958/subspacedrive.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subspacedrive.jpg)
My old subspace drive, with an AO render by qazwsx.
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It's got a face on it. :|
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Its got legsssss!
The freighter looks good though.
Those are legs? (Does a double take on his nearby dog named Kayla)
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It's got a face on it. :|
That was fixed in another version, remember, I said that it was an old model.
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AO is amazing. I bet it could make even takashi's models look good.
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How much poly's is that freighter model?
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Are you going to use that subspace drive as an external and vulnerable subsystem? :)
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(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6093/subspacev2.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subspacev2.jpg)
Yes, it will be more smooth and there will be a bit more detail.
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Hades! Do you still have a copy of the drive unit from your FIRST pic???
I ask because looking at it now IMHO it would be an awesome power unit model for RTS games.
(especially if you coudl make the three "blades" rotate in sequence...
;7 If it hasn't been deleted or overwritten yet, could I has? :D
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I might have a backup model, seeing as how I did in fact delete it. If I do have another model of it, I'll see if it is okay with them and you may have it.
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(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9753/corvette.png) (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/corvette.png/)
Orion-ish corvette. I drew and modelled this to develop my skills better, and I think it came out well. It's under detailed because I just finished the shape.
EDIT: I forgot to say, the antennae will come later.
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You still using Wings?
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Yes, I am. I've starting doing some things in Blender, but I'm going to wait until Blender 2.5 to fully commit to Blender.