Eh, they're called "Overdrives" - I'm not sure about their being canon, but I know the games had them. (When pressed, the X-Wing would fold its S-Foils and flare engines; all other types of craft just flare engines and go faster.)
rogue squadron game mechanics are a bit too arcadey for our purposes, as well.
a higher speed but limited maneuverability mode for craft with s-foils would be canon though, and should be implemented.
why would only a craft with sfoils go faster? an x-wing going faster with its wings closed?
doesn't make sense... and there is no "would" be canon. Either it is canon of 1st, 2nd, 3rd a.s.o grade or it isn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Millenium Falcon engage afterburners when trying to divert the Star Destroyer Avenger's weapons energy to the bridge shield? I know that Han never specifically says afterburners, but it does have the general appearance during that chase sequence of ESB.
you can divert power to the engines without closing the s-foils (ala x-wing (game)) :P
another source of the xwings maneuverability is the gyro magnetic devices in the engines...
The X-wing uses "etheric rudders", not maneuvering jets.
(My physics subdaemon shudders in me whenever I tell things like that.)
speed increases because weapon energy is shunted towards the engines in that mode (enough power for at least one shot is kept [wraith squadron]), and maneuverability is hampered because the main engines have less space between them, and the (small invisible) maneuvering jets on the wings are not spread out [egvv and one of the x-wing books, i think]
this is the part where i come in and do my grouchy old man thing (despite the fact that i am but 20) saying that new star wars is not canon, and that you shouldn't be using things from episodes 1-3 as reference as they were only created to sell small plastic toys.
rogue squadron game mechanics are a bit too arcadey for our purposes, as well. a higher speed but limited maneuverability mode for craft with s-foils would be canon though, and should be implemented.
Yeah, Rogue Squadron had something similar (IIRC), but it was more like a top gear than an after burner! It certainly didn't seem limited by fuel.
Yes, spreading out the fire points to a 3 dimensional area instead of a 2 dimensional one should increase hit percentages.
Also, looking at the interior of the X-Wing's S-Foils, you'll see a lot of exposed machinery, especially around the engines, hence the Heat dispersion factor. Remember that in a vacuum, the only method of heat dispersion is via Radiation. Convection and Conduction both need surrounding atmospheres to work, and thus the only way to decrease heat in a spaceship would be via having as much esposed area leading out into space and letting it bleed off (Though, the X-Wing's S-Foils wouldn't do that good of a job of it, the radiators would be better placed on the outside of the wings rather than inside, but hey, I'm defending artistic licence with science, it can't be perfect.)
Too much physics. Way too much. ;)
plus afterburners are for spoiled bratz that play too much freespace. :PSo basically everyone on this forum is a spoiled bratz?
I remember that when i played the x-wing series the only thing you could do to increase your speed was to redirect power to your engines, a feat that can also be used in FS.
energy management will likely be more necessary than in FSJust be careful not to overdo it ;) Energy management in FS is actually extremely important on harder difficulties, it's only when difficulty is set low that it can take a back seat role. So if you increase it's importance too much by reducing the energy output of the ships, you may make it impossible to play on the hardest settings.
...Energy management in FS is actually extremely important on harder difficulties...
I remember that when i played the x-wing series the only thing you could do to increase your speed was to redirect power to your engines, a feat that can also be used in FS. This came from the weapons, shields and tractor beam. It could be a significant increase of speed, especially if you had all 4 systems. also the AI didn't use that tactic to increase speed, so a slow ship could catch up with some faster ships.
Wrong. It most definitely does make you faster.
Lawl, now that could be funny, afterburners that cause a temporary full depletion of shields and/or weapons. There could be some interesting things done with that.
I remember that when i played the x-wing series the only thing you could do to increase your speed was to redirect power to your engines, a feat that can also be used in FS.
Actually, redirecting power to the engines doesn't make you go faster, it only makes the afterburners charge up quicker! :P
I remember that when i played the x-wing series the only thing you could do to increase your speed was to redirect power to your engines, a feat that can also be used in FS.
Actually, redirecting power to the engines doesn't make you go faster, it only makes the afterburners charge up quicker! :P
This is dependant on the ships in FS, only the Bakha and Artemis/Artemis D.H. do it this way. :P
; file to indicate all ship types and their physical characteristics (such as physics info, etc)
; format is a simple form of the mission files
;
; Some general comments about some of the fields
;
; Velocities are specified in (freespace) units/second. You can currently only
; specify velocities in the linear directions. Rotational velocities are still
; currently speified with thrust (until I get this fixed). Rotation time is the
; amount of time (in seconds) to complete 1 revolution in the given direction
; (x is pitch, y is heading, and z is bank).
;
; Damp affects how quickly you will accel/decel to your target velocity. Higher damp
; means slow acceleration and deceleration. The lower this number, the faster
; the ship responds. For example, specifying a value of 0.0 means there is no
; damping, in other words, people would say, "this has no physics, like Wing
; Commander." The more damping, the harder to control, but the more smoothly
; it moves.
;
; Accelerations:
; All the acceleration numbers are damp factors for how fast the thing
; changes speed. 0 would mean instantaneous velocity changes, and the
; bigger the number, the slower the acceleration. Sort of backwards, but...
; forward_accel - The damp factor for when the ship is trying to go faster
; forward_decel - The damp factor for when the ship is trying to slow down
; slide_accel - The damp factor for left/right/up/down/reverse acceleration.
; slide_decel - The damp factor for left/right/up/down/reverse deceleration.
;
; Energy Transfer System:
; $Power Output => energy is produced per second by the ship's reactor
; $Max Oclk Speed => the max forward speed of the ship when 100% energy
; is directed at the engines
; $Max Weapon Eng => how much weapon energy can be stored (related to $Energy Cosumed
; field in weapons.tbl)
;
; Afterburners:
; $Afterburner => YES if afterburner present, NO otherwise
;
; The following parameters must be present if $Afterburner is YES, otherwise comment
; out or delete them:
;
; +Aburn Max Vel: => x,y,z velocity when afterburner engaged
; +Aburn For accel: => forward accel when afterburner engaged
; +Aburn Fuel: => fuel capacity of afterburners
; +Aburn Burn Rate: => rate in fuel/second that afterburners consume fuel
; +Aburn Rec Rate: => rate in fuel/second that afterburners recover fuel
;
; $Subsystem: name, percent_damage, turret_turn_360_time
; $Default PBanks: ( "weapon1" "weapon2" )
; $Default SBanks: ( "missile1" "missile2" )
; $SBank Capacity: ( 50, 100 )
;
; A note regarding ship sounds:
; The index for ship sounds corresponds to the index in sounds.tbl.
; If you don't want to assign a sound, put -1 as the index.
Well for the most part star wars ships are pretty vulnerable regardless. If you watch the movies most of the fighters go down in only a few hits anyways. The rebel advantage is a couple extra shots in, which could be pretty important in the gameplay we're planning to model.
Remember, our mod is trying to focus on the ability to avoid fire rather than absorb it.
In my mind, I always viewed the blasters/lasers exploding really close to a ship was equivalent to them impacting on the shield bubble. Of course that is pretty inconsistent in the movies...
...Of course that is pretty inconsistent in the movies...
Speaking of, I though a repulsor needed something solid to push against in order to work, and wouldn't work in deep space.
Also, Ewoks rule. :p(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/d/d4/Palpycropped.jpg)
These same "best men" can't aim well enough to hit a Rebel at 20 feet. The fact that they were defeated by a bunch of teddy bears with rocks makes perfect sense.Hence
"As we speak, my best men are on the Sanctuary Moon, being defeated by prehistoric primitives."
That could very well be classic psychology at play. It's collective laziness, the more people you throw at a particular task, the less effort applied individually. So the more stormtroopers shooting at one target, the more they figure, why take the time to aim carefully, there's so much fire something has to hit him. But then again, I'm sure a study that was based on things like tug of war hardly applies to a gunfight.
That could very well be classic psychology at play. It's collective laziness, the more people you throw at a particular task, the less effort applied individually. So the more stormtroopers shooting at one target, the more they figure, why take the time to aim carefully, there's so much fire something has to hit him. But then again, I'm sure a study that was based on things like tug of war hardly applies to a gunfight.
No..just no... if you really mean it, give some sources of your hypothesis, just don't throw something pseudo-psycholgy out! :P
the heroes have the force, and its influence over the weak-minded.No, they have plot armor.
I'm pretty sure that Anakin was tested and was found to have the highest count of midichlorians ever, which is why Qui-gon thought he was the prophesized one to bring the force into balance. (or some such tosh!)If you think about it, he did fufill the prophecy. The prophecy said he'd bring balance to the force. During the Clone Wars, the light side was much more powerful, thus the Force was out of balance. By wiping out the Jedi to a spare few, he brought it back into balance. And later when Palpatine grew too powerful, he killed him, again bringing balance to the force.
I'm pretty sure that Anakin was tested and was found to have the highest count of midichlorians ever, which is why Qui-gon thought he was the prophesized one to bring the force into balance. (or some such tosh!)If you think about it, he did fufill the prophecy. The prophecy said he'd bring balance to the force. During the Clone Wars, the light side was much more powerful, thus the Force was out of balance. By wiping out the Jedi to a spare few, he brought it back into balance. And later when Palpatine grew too powerful, he killed him, again bringing balance to the force.
Midichlorians on a Plane?:lol:
or we can all admit that the prequels were horribly written, and then disregard any failed plot points that they attempt to make.I suppose we can do that too. But Return of the Jedi was horribly written too. As if the Ewoks could overrun and defeat the 501st Legion! That, sir, is sacrileage!
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Midichlorians on a Plane?Brilliant.
But Return of the Jedi was horribly written too. As if the Ewoks could overrun and defeat the 501st Legion! That, sir, is sacrileage!RotJ was strange. After re-watching it after watching the prequels, I feel as if George Lucas was trying to send me a subliminal message telling me the rest of the SW movies would be crap. It included some things that were very similar to the prequel silliness, but slightly less of it.
Is it that bad?It is, because in the process he screwed Star Wars over, too.
Because, as we all know, a technologically superior force always wins, especially when they're fighting against those who are defending their own territory with prepared fortifications and defences, and are also likely numerically superior...
Cmon, seriously, try reading through that list in detail, and a lot of the stuff in there is just completely repetetive, with about 80% of the list simply being "I didn't like the Ewoks" or some that don't make sense (Saying that the Ships in RotJ look so clean and shiny? I wonder if he's thinking of the prequels)
...or maybe not, but hell we're talking about ROTS here). ...I think you mean ROTJ ... :p
maybe TopAce first started watching starwars prequels before the classic trilogy :D...
maybe TopAce first started watching starwars prequels before the classic trilogy :D...
And you concluded that based on my not hating RotJ?
That was TopGun not TopAce. You two keep getting mixed up.
You know Raven, I keep misreading your name as Revan.
I saw ANH first. And I thought it was AWESOME!!!!
because I was about nine.
after I saw ESB I was like, "WOW!!!!"
and then when I saw ANH again I was like, "those stormtroopers are so corny. this movie sucks. I can't believe I liked this stuff.":
ESB and RotJ rulez.
and then ep 1 came out and I was like, "hmm, cool". and when ep 2 came out I was like, "wow, anakin and padme's acting sucked."
and when ep 3 came out, I was like, "pretty cool".
story of my life.
I always thought it was a computer spike of some sort, to overload the power thing and boost more power to his engines.
My favorite scene in RotS is when R2 kapows the SBDs at the start of the movie.That scene, IMO, was pointless. It added nothing to the plot and just dragged along the cruiser crash sequence even longer. Instead of including stupid idiotic gags like that, they could have instead included the genesis of the rebellion bits with Bail Organa and Mon Mothma (included as deleted scenes on some DVD releases). Those would have added so much depth to the movie and also strung together the two trilogies seamlessly. But they just had to add idiotic R2-D2 jokes.
Uh oh.
This may be the wrong forum to ask this in, but has anyone seen the new Clone Wars movie? Is it worth the 5-9 bucks to see? You guys are the only guys I trust on the internet about this.
(Please no predictions that it's going to suck, that doesn't help)
Honestly, all the early reviews have pretty much stated that it sucks. I think George wants to buy another mansion or Sealand or something, so he has somewhere to go when all of his fans turn on him for real.
Despite the major suckage I can't fully turn my back on Star Wars... -.-
What do you folks think woulda happened if Anakin hadn't turned to the Dark side and instead let Mace Windu kill Sidious? Do you think Sidious would really have died?Nah, just UNLIMITED POWAR a bit sooner methinks.
(ie JABBA THE HUTS SON HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED! wowsa!)Then that's another inconsistency that appears due to Lucas' negligence of the already established Expanded Universe: Jabba the Hutt was smuggling cortosis (lightsaber resistant metal) to the Separatists. At the same time, apparently he was trying to stop Gardola the Hutt who was also supplying the Separatists. And now his son (who mysteriously appears out of the blue) has been kidnapped.
*snip*Who'd have sex with a slug anyway? Who's his wife.
Who'd have sex with a snail anyway? Who's his wife.He's a slug, not a Snail. We spit on those shell-less second-class fools.
The thing about the Clone Wars movie is that it was never meant as a stand-alone film; it's essentially the first three or four episodes of the upcoming TV series smooshed together and slapped on the big screen. I've heard mixed reviews about it, but those who like it seem to feel like it recaptures some of the more innocent fun factor that was so painfully absent in the new trilogy. I figure it might be worth a look-see...at the very least, you get to hear Christopher Lee and Samuel L. some more.
Samuel L Jackson is like the worse Jedi ever.If by "the worst" you mean "just about the only thing salvaging the trilogy," then sure.
You know he demanded a purple lightsaber in exchange for doing the movie right?
Samuel L Jackson is like the worse Jedi ever.If by "the worst" you mean "just about the only thing salvaging the trilogy," then sure.
Bottom line:If you can turn off the part of your brain that likes dialog and stuff that makes sense, you'll really enjoy this movie.
Personally I liked Samuel L. Jackson cause without him the only badass was Yoda and kinda obi-wan. I mean come on emo anakin?
You know he demanded a purple lightsaber in exchange for doing the movie right?What, he wanted a purple lightsaber in the movie? That was part of the deal? Lame. Maybe he also demanded that he could wear hose under his cloak.
OMFG SOMEONE IS TRYING TO BRING THIS BACK ON TOPIC QUICK STOP HIM:lol:
The only place it looks pink, iirc, is in the games. It looked plently purplish to me in the movies.
Wrong. He wanted a red saber. George said: Only the bad guys get red. Sam was pissed. Then George said what about purple? Sam agreed.
And the poor guy was cheated, since purple would have been cool. Instead, he wields a pink lightsaber now :blah:
Wrong. He wanted a red saber. George said: Only the bad guys get red. Sam was pissed. Then George said what about purple? Sam agreed.
Oh and regarding afterburners:
No (obvious) afterburners in the movies. No afterburners in the X-Wing Novels. No afterburners in the X-Wing Games.
Therefore... :rolleyes:
And as far as being 'in tune' with the Star Wars genre is concerned, I actually quite liked Darth Maul.Me too.
I still think a white lightsabre would be cool.
And as far as being 'in tune' with the Star Wars genre is concerned, I actually quite liked Darth Maul.
Would have been nice if he'd said more than five words throughout the entire movie. :pYea. For the record, he's my favorite 'hero' in SW Battlefront 2.
Yea. For the record, he's my favorite 'hero' in SW Battlefront 2.Nothing beats mowing down a horde of clones with a single sweep.
Would have been nice if he'd said more than five words throughout the entire movie. :p
Would have been nice if he'd said more than five words throughout the entire movie. :p
Nothing beats mowing down a horde of clones with a single sweep.Hell yes. Nothing beats clearing the entire corridor in the Jedi Temple with a single saber throw, either.
Seriously though, the point in the Palace, when the door opens and Maul is standing there behind it, waiting for the Jedi was the only point in the 3 movies where I felt that 'this is going to be good' tingle.Yep. Best part of the movie, imo. :yes:
Would have been nice if he'd said more than five words throughout the entire movie. :p
Or none at all... he's almost a Badass Mute but not quite.
I think so, but he also acts in other movies (x-men for example, he played The Toad).I only found out about that when some DVD on TV airing of X-Men mentioned that the one scene in the Statue of Liberty was an homage to his Darth Maul lightsaber. Come to think of it, Toad had almost as few lines in that movie as Maul did in Episode I. :p
Lack of great villains was probably one of the major (among many) shortcomings of the prequels, Maul was probably the only suitable one and they killed him off in the first go. Droid army? lame, AARP jedi? lame Cowardly Guts bag? lame. Plus you couldn't invest in any of them either they had so little screen time, we had Vader for all 3 of the originals.
That wasn't a pure villain like Dark Vader...he was more like a "behind the frontline" operative...
The best bad-guy from the books was Thrawn imho, I was kind of hoping he would be making a cameo appearance in the prequels.Me too. But considering he only took like what, 20 years or less to rise to the rank of Grand Moff ... Tarkin was there tho. Standing on the bridge watching the Death Star.
... Where did it say he was uniting the galaxy to prep for Vong invasion? I've never read that.
Thrawn was great, he did make it into TIE Fighter though ;) Course i always got the impression from the Dark Force Trilogy that cloning was a taboo, and that the clone wars were the clone masters against the galaxy, which probably would have been much more epic then a bunch of whiny voiced droids :P.I'm going to have to agree with you on this.
:lol: @ how far off afterburners this topic hath detoured...
or the Most Misleading Subject Ever
You're right, I think it was in Survivor's Quest. Though Thrawn himself was foreshadowed as preparing for some kind of extragalactic threat even before the Vong themselves were conceived.I read somewhere before that Thrawn had encountered fringe Vong species though. Altho I can't remember where exactly.
At least we're not discussing Hitler yet
You're right, I think it was in Survivor's Quest. Though Thrawn himself was foreshadowed as preparing for some kind of extragalactic threat even before the Vong themselves were conceived.I read somewhere before that Thrawn had encountered fringe Vong species though. Altho I can't remember where exactly.
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At least we're not discussing Hitler yet, (although there is a movie villian for you! :lol: )
misguided retconning by Zahn :-\Like wherever Revan and the Exile went off to. Something 'bout the True Sith.
Seriously, all of Star Wars takes place in like 1/3 of the galaxy they have to work with. the Unknown regions are huge! there could be an entire other instance of Star Wars going on! we don't need to bring Intergalactic travel into this.
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At least we're not discussing Hitler yet, (although there is a movie villian for you! :lol: )
phah! Hitler's overrated. He only killed about 11 million -14 million. Now if you want a REAL villain, look no further than Communist China's very own Mao Tse-Tung, with an astounding 60-80 million. That's a monster that you can trust...., well actually, no. You can't trust any of them, but I think you get the point.
Back on Star Wars though, I have this theory that there's nothing good beyond The Last Command. I could be mistaken, but what books I consider to be my own personal canon involve Shadows of the Empire, the various Tales books, the original Thrawn trilogy, and the first four books in Michael Stackpole's X-wing series, and even then I have mixed feelings about some of the events portrayed in his books. But I liked Kirtan Loor. Not the highest ranking character, but a decent antagonist for Corran Horn.
How is KOTOR II? I have 1 and would've beaten it had I not screwed up on leveling, but I pretty much got the jist of the end.No you play as the Exile, who, cannonically, is female, so imo, KotOR 2 makes more sense if you play as a female Jedi.
Do you play as Revan again?
*snip*The KotOR 2 we all play is an incomplete version rushed out, as Battuta said, by LucasArts to make the Christmas deadline. Obsidian did leave the incomplete content in though, and there is a fan project in the works to restore it, and it should be finished next year.
Spoiler:Kreia was a fantastic character. And she had the most spectacular Star Wars villian plot of all time.
*snip*:wtf:
*snip*:wtf:
No you play as the Exile, who, cannonically, is female, so imo, KotOR 2 makes more sense if you play as a female Jedi.
Total reference to the Yuzzhan Vong.
Total reference to the Yuzzhan Vong.
Yet another reason to dislike KotOR 2
(also, their basilisk war droid, which was just a horribly tile-textured model of a mandalmotors star viper from 4000 years in the future)
And he got it in one. That's what you see in the scene referenced in the OP as well. Space being space, you don't need your engines on full burn all the time; you just point in the direction you want to go and turn them on long enough to accelerate in that direction.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Millenium Falcon engage afterburners when trying to divert the Star Destroyer Avenger's weapons energy to the bridge shield? I know that Han never specifically says afterburners, but it does have the general appearance during that chase sequence of ESB.
Correction: That would be engine flare from rapid acceleration, not an afterburner.
You're wrong about that, the drive flare from the Millenium Falcon has a very specific purpose and nobody's mentioned it:QFT
It looks cool =P
I think you can override the races thrusters in the ships.tbl file. It just defaults to that race's thrusters if nothing else is defined for that ship. I think.