[Stormkeeper]

... Where did it say he was uniting the galaxy to prep for Vong invasion? I've never read that.

The best bad-guy from the books was Thrawn imho, I was kind of hoping he would be making a cameo appearance in the prequels.

Me too. But considering he only took like what, 20 years or less to rise to the rank of Grand Moff ... Tarkin was there tho. Standing on the bridge watching the Death Star.

Which by the way, is another piece of retcon bull****. How did the bugs get the plans if it was designed at the Maw Installation?

[Flipside]

I liked him, ironically enough, because of the 'reality' of his situation. He had no direct influence over the Force,. he led a fleet that was, whilst extremely powerful, still the remains of a broken Empire, and he had to think his way through, there were no magical powers or mythical entities that were going to save him, just tactics, and his own knowledge, and yet he still managed to almost bring the New Republic to its knees.

[StarSlayer]

Thrawn was great, he did make it into TIE Fighter though   Course i always got the impression from the Dark Force Trilogy that cloning was a taboo, and that the clone wars were the clone masters against the galaxy, which probably would have been much more epic then a bunch of whiny voiced droids .

[General Battuta]

... Where did it say he was uniting the galaxy to prep for Vong invasion? I've never read that.

It's just one argument. At some point someone in the novels suggests it, but by no means is it a canonical certainty -- merely something some people in-universe believe.

[CaptJosh]

Thrawn was never a Moff. He was a Grand Admiral. Moffs were regional military governors, AFAIK. And they had brown uniforms anyway. A Grand Admiral's uniform is white.

[Scourge of Ages]

Thrawn was great, he did make it into TIE Fighter though   Course i always got the impression from the Dark Force Trilogy that cloning was a taboo, and that the clone wars were the clone masters against the galaxy, which probably would have been much more epic then a bunch of whiny voiced droids .

I'm going to have to agree with you on this.

And I think we can agree that Thrawn was at least one of the best villains, if not the best villain, if not just a really cool guy who happened to hate the New Republic.

And I believe the theory that The Emperor was preparing for the Vong invasion came late in the NJO series or early in the Legacy of the Force series, or possibly the novel, "Survivor's Quest" by Timothy Zahn, the creator of Admiral Thrawn.
Also the best Star Wars EU Author (imo).

Hmm. Reading back over that, I think I'm a fanboy...

[General Battuta]

You're right, I think it was in Survivor's Quest. Though Thrawn himself was foreshadowed as preparing for some kind of extragalactic threat even before the Vong themselves were conceived.

[Colonol Dekker]

@ how far off afterburners this topic hath detoured...

[Wobble73]

@ how far off afterburners this topic hath detoured...

or the Most Misleading Subject Ever

 

At least we're not discussing Hitler yet, (although there is a movie villian for you!  )

[Stormkeeper]

You're right, I think it was in Survivor's Quest. Though Thrawn himself was foreshadowed as preparing for some kind of extragalactic threat even before the Vong themselves were conceived.

I read somewhere before that Thrawn had encountered fringe Vong species though. Altho I can't remember where exactly.

[chief1983]

At least we're not discussing Hitler yet

Well we weren't, way to blow it.  Now we've come full swastika.

[Colonol Dekker]

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[Turambar]

You're right, I think it was in Survivor's Quest. Though Thrawn himself was foreshadowed as preparing for some kind of extragalactic threat even before the Vong themselves were conceived.

I read somewhere before that Thrawn had encountered fringe Vong species though. Altho I can't remember where exactly.

misguided retconning by Zahn :-\

Seriously, all of Star Wars takes place in like 1/3 of the galaxy they have to work with.  the Unknown regions are huge! there could be an entire other instance of Star Wars going on!  we don't need to bring Intergalactic travel into this.

[maje]

@ how far off afterburners this topic hath detoured...

or the Most Misleading Subject Ever

 

At least we're not discussing Hitler yet, (although there is a movie villian for you!  )

phah!  Hitler's overrated.  He only killed about 11 million -14 million.  Now if you want a REAL villain, look no further than Communist China's very own Mao Tse-Tung, with an astounding 60-80 million.  That's a monster that you can trust...., well actually, no.  You can't trust any of them, but I think you get the point.

Back on Star Wars though, I have this theory that there's nothing good beyond The Last Command.  I could be mistaken, but what books I consider to be my own personal canon involve Shadows of the Empire, the various Tales books, the original Thrawn trilogy, and the first four books in Michael Stackpole's X-wing series, and even then I have mixed feelings about some of the events portrayed in his books.  But I liked Kirtan Loor.  Not the highest ranking character, but a decent antagonist for Corran Horn.

[Stormkeeper]

misguided retconning by Zahn :-\

Seriously, all of Star Wars takes place in like 1/3 of the galaxy they have to work with.  the Unknown regions are huge! there could be an entire other instance of Star Wars going on!  we don't need to bring Intergalactic travel into this.

Like wherever Revan and the Exile went off to. Something 'bout the True Sith.

[General Battuta]

@ how far off afterburners this topic hath detoured...

or the Most Misleading Subject Ever

 

At least we're not discussing Hitler yet, (although there is a movie villian for you!  )

phah!  Hitler's overrated.  He only killed about 11 million -14 million.  Now if you want a REAL villain, look no further than Communist China's very own Mao Tse-Tung, with an astounding 60-80 million.  That's a monster that you can trust...., well actually, no.  You can't trust any of them, but I think you get the point.

Back on Star Wars though, I have this theory that there's nothing good beyond The Last Command.  I could be mistaken, but what books I consider to be my own personal canon involve Shadows of the Empire, the various Tales books, the original Thrawn trilogy, and the first four books in Michael Stackpole's X-wing series, and even then I have mixed feelings about some of the events portrayed in his books.  But I liked Kirtan Loor.  Not the highest ranking character, but a decent antagonist for Corran Horn.

All you're really missing in terms of great Star Wars books are the works by Matthew Stover.

[Colonol Dekker]

Shadows of the Empire is about all the EU i've read/experienced....

Don't hate me for not understanding most of theis EU stuff.....

ps- KOTOR 1 + 2 as well

[maje]

How is KOTOR II?  I have 1 and would've beaten it had I not screwed up on leveling, but I pretty much got the jist of the end.

Do you play as Revan again?

[bobbtmann]

Oh man, I have to speak up on KOTOR 2. It was so incredibly bad, it's hard to know where to begin.

It was a really ugly game in the visual department. I found the colours used in the interface to be atrocious, and the extensive use of grey's and blacks completely robbed the game of life. The worlds in the game were sterile and unimaginative, also in part caused by the use of grey and black. The very last world is especially awful. I swear they could have mapped the whole thing without having to use the whole RGB thing. There isn't a single colour in the whole damn map. In all fairness, I suppose the temple might use red or something.

As far as the storyline goes, it was broken up by always switching characters which makes it impossible to suspend disbelief. The times when you play the main character aren't all that great either. There's this presumptuousness in saying that the main character is "in such intense pain". Since I'm sitting in my comfy chair with a bowl of m&m's and a bathroom down the hall, I'm in anything but intense pain. All the periphery characters are all either really shallow or really annoying, and there's this stupid wookie/bounty hunter thing that has the most pointless resolution ever.

Gameplay is strange. The designers seem to change stuff from the original game just for the heck of it, and the main character gets absurdly powerful by the end of the game.

Whew. As you can tell, I was really let down by the second one.

[General Battuta]

I thought the story was ticking along fine until about halfway through. The endings were a major letdown, but that's because the game got rushed out the door for Christmas.

Blame LucasArts, not Obsidian.

Spoiler:

Kreia was a fantastic character. And she had the most spectacular Star Wars villain plot of all time.