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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => FreeSpace Conversion => Topic started by: admiral_wolf on January 29, 2008, 04:27:08 pm
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I'm always reading peoples comments about how they can see the wreck of the Hades in the intro movie of Freespace 2. I have personally watched this too many times to count on YouTube and all I can see is the wreck of what could be the GTD Legion. Does anyone have a screenshot or a timecode so I could actually see it at all?
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After the 'Freespace 2' title.
It's on the surface of the planet, with the dead pilot and his flickering hologram.
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(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5021/hadesds2.png) (http://imageshack.us)
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Hey IM NOT DEAD!!!!
Just kidding.
I think that might have been Bosch's try at the Hades.
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Uh, Bosch never did anything related to the Hades (unless he was in the attack on the Joutenheim). :wtf:
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Hey IM NOT DEAD!!!!
Just kidding.
I think that might have been Bosch's try at the Hades.
30 and a half years before the earleist definite date he was an Admiral?
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I think I saw that in the FS2 tech description or the intelligence.
Besides the FSST's Hades was no where near a planet.
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Is that really a Hades? It doesn't look similar at all, or any GTVA ship in fact.
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I think I saw that in the FS2 tech description or the intelligence.
Besides the FSST's Hades was no where near a planet.
/me headdesks
Dude, Silent Threat was unfinished.
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I think I saw that in the FS2 tech description or the intelligence.
Besides the FSST's Hades was no where near a planet.
/me headdesks
Dude, Silent Threat was unfinished.
That makes total sense of it. But if it was unfinished, why put it in a sequel that WAS finished? If you have the time to make a whole sequel, why bother leave a released expansion unfinished?
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Is that really a Hades? It doesn't look similar at all, or any GTVA ship in fact.
Damnit get your eyes checked.
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Is that really a Hades? It doesn't look similar at all, or any GTVA ship in fact.
YOU HAVE PROBLEMS! I FLAMZ YOUS! RAWRZ!
be nice to the oblivious. For i am one of them. he is right about it not looking GTVA, as the hades is purple which is very different from terran or vasudan designs, cause it was made from shivan parts.
Then again, it does look like a hades, even to me.
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Nope.... I still don't see the resemblance. Are you sure it's not a Cain, Lilth, or something? It just looks like 3 tubes sticking out the dirt.
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have you seen a hades before? remember the four engines?
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Ive always thought that the character you play as in Silent Threat was a young Aken Bosch. and that is distinctly a Hades...Now whether it it the GTI Original or a failed GTVA attempt to rebuild it, it is up to your own belief
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pic of hades http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/ships/hades.shtml (http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/ships/hades.shtml)
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IMHO, actual gameplay takes precedence over cutscenes in regards to canonity. IIRC the cutscenes were made by interplay, not volition. Or at least that one was.
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guess that makes sense?
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be nice to the oblivious. For i am one of them. he is right about it not looking GTVA, as the hades is purple which is very different from terran or vasudan designs, cause it was made from shivan parts.
Look again. The Hades is definitely blue. It's even bluer than the Orion.
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****. i always remember it as being a pinkish purple for some reason :snipe:
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That's odd... I always thought the Hades was this huge flat rectangular box with 2 large boot shaped thrusters.
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thats technically what it is. except with four :P
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Soon, things will all become clear. :drevil:
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The great Goob has spoken.
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You mean Voice acting is being finished?
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I'd slap you, but that's physically impossible right now. Of course it is. :P
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With luck ST: R will be out by summer
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Soon, things will all become clear. :drevil:
Goobness gracious me.
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IMHO, actual gameplay takes precedence over cutscenes in regards to canonity. IIRC the cutscenes were made by interplay, not volition. Or at least that one was.
The Shivans reached Deneb through an uncharted jumpnode.
The GTI captured and studied the Shivans. They likely summoned them to Deneb through the "uncharted" node.
Bosch built Boadicea and ETAK in Deneb studying GTI leftovers.
The Hades shows up in the FS2 intro.
Therefore, the Jotunheim (sp?) and most of the GTI infrastructure were based in Deneb. There's no canonicity gap. The Hades was destroyed in Deneb.
And where did you hear that some of the cutscenes where made by Interplay? That's the publisher. They had little else to do with FreeSpace.
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The Hades shows up in the FS2 intro.
Yeah, you can see the Hades crashlanded on a planet, while it was actually destroyed next to where the Jotunheim was. I'd bet that whoever were doing the cutscenes, they weren't told to 'keep up with the canon' but to 'do a goddarn cutscene that'll sell the game'.
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The Shivans reached Deneb through an uncharted jumpnode.
According to the cbanis and Playing Judas, it looks rather like they used an uncharted node to go from Ribos to Vega (from which most allied vessels had retreated at that point) and then used the stable node to go from Vega to Deneb.
The GTI captured and studied the Shivans. They likely summoned them to Deneb through the "uncharted" node.
:wtf: Why would they need to "summon" Shivans when they had their hands full with the ones already in T-V space?
Therefore, the Jotunheim (sp?) and most of the GTI infrastructure were based in Deneb.
Jotunheim is canonically located in Beta Aquilae.
And where did you hear that some of the cutscenes where made by Interplay? That's the publisher. They had little else to do with FreeSpace.
IIRC some of the cutscenes were contracted out to third-party cutscene makers. If this is true, the agreement was probably arranged by Interplay.
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If I was incharge of the final missions of Silent Threat Reborn, I would have done the following:
a) Used the Table Hacked Hades Mk2 model (more turrets and 5 Engine Subsystems)
B) THe Hades would jump out either after one of the Engines was destroyed or after about 5-10 minutes
c) Following this, Would be a series of missions where you chase down and destroy the hades these end with the Hades crashing on the planet
Id base these missions on the chase after the shadow-hybrid in the unfilmed Crusade Episode "To the ends of the Earth" and the original planned missions against the Taranis in FS1 (According to the FSRef Bible, you were surposed to fly Several missions against the Taranis before you capture it)
Maybe the camera fades to a b-aquilae planet and back again,,,or maybe it really was chased to Deneb.
Joutunheim was definatley im BA...
I think in real life it was an oversight on the cutscene developers part...This sort of thing has happenes many times before
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The FS2 Intro and the FS2 Box was ****ed up. Lucifers in FS2? An extra Demon when it's said there are no others? Ursae before they are developed?
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Maybe those were prototype Ursa...I mean you see the Erinyes in action long before it is officially unveiled.
How do you know that the Demon wanst the Eva? I mean the Orion is the Semi-Canonical GTD Legion...
Lucifers? are you refering to the box or cutscenes?
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Maybe those were prototype Ursa...I mean you see the Erinyes in action long before it is officially unveiled.
How do you know that the Demon wanst the Eva? I mean the Orion is the Semi-Canonical GTD Legion...
Lucifers? are you refering to the box or cutscenes?
Those Erinyes were used by SOC, and it makes sense that they could be using it before the rest of the fleet even knew about it ... "...as far as anyone else knows, they don't even exist..." –Snipes. And though I haven't verified this, I heard that the Eva was destroyed before the Battle of Deneb. Bottom line is that that cutscene was messed up.
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Over the next few months, I'm looking forward to getting dozens of PMs from people saying "DUDE THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!11"
;)
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Maybe those were prototype Ursa...I mean you see the Erinyes in action long before it is officially unveiled.
How do you know that the Demon wanst the Eva? I mean the Orion is the Semi-Canonical GTD Legion...
Lucifers? are you refering to the box or cutscenes?
Those Erinyes were used by SOC, and it makes sense that they could be using it before the rest of the fleet even knew about it ... "...as far as anyone else knows, they don't even exist..." –Snipes. And though I haven't verified this, I heard that the Eva was destroyed before the Battle of Deneb. Bottom line is that that cutscene was messed up.
That cutscene was done by a third party company, who probably had no knowledge whatsoever of FreeSpace.
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Those Erinyes were used by SOC, and it makes sense that they could be using it before the rest of the fleet even knew about it ... "...as far as anyone else knows, they don't even exist..." –Snipes. And though I haven't verified this, I heard that the Eva was destroyed before the Battle of Deneb. Bottom line is that that cutscene was messed up.
You must be talking about the Wiki Trivia page.
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Trivia#Cutscene_quirks
I was the one who put in the Eva-being-destroyed bit. I don't have any evidence of that, actually, so it might be wrong. The best way to check would be to compare the date that the cutscene gives for the "Battle of Deneb" to the command briefing dates. The Eva was destroyed somewhere in between 2/31/2335 and 3/1/2335.
Hell. Now I realize what a mess the intro movie is.
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Those Erinyes were used by SOC, and it makes sense that they could be using it before the rest of the fleet even knew about it ... "...as far as anyone else knows, they don't even exist..." –Snipes. And though I haven't verified this, I heard that the Eva was destroyed before the Battle of Deneb. Bottom line is that that cutscene was messed up.
You must be talking about the Wiki Trivia page.
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Trivia#Cutscene_quirks
I was the one who put in the Eva-being-destroyed bit. I don't have any evidence of that, actually, so it might be wrong. The best way to check would be to compare the date that the cutscene gives for the "Battle of Deneb" to the command briefing dates. The Eva was destroyed somewhere in between 2/31/2335 and 3/1/2335.
Hell. Now I realize what a mess the intro movie is.
Yeah, I was referring to the wiki, so I guess that that could be the Eva. It still doesn't change the fact that that cutscene is messed up.
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I'm kind of surprised no one added the "Lucifer mysteriously used side-mounted beams to destroy the Legion when no such beams existed in the game" factoid to that list. :p
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That's so obvious it would be like a subtle insult to say it.
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True, but it's necessary to placate the completionists. You know how they get.
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Then they can do it themselves. It's a wiki for that reason. But if they complain... :beamz:
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It used one of it bombardment beams probably toned down.
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That's what ive always thought
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I've always thought that those were the bombardment cannons, and the things on the arms were anti-capship beams. It makes sense, to me.
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Question: How come the Medusa explosion looks so dumb, and the poof from the beam hit looks so dumb?
And furthermore, in the FS1 intro, why do they focus so much on the guy's eyes, they are so poor quality!
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Question: How come the Medusa explosion looks so dumb, and the poof from the beam hit looks so dumb?
And furthermore, in the FS1 intro, why do they focus so much on the guy's eyes, they are so poor quality!
FS1 came out in 1998, and FS2 came out in 1999. The graphics were pretty good compared to the standards at the time.
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I thought the graphics in the FS1 intro are pretty close to what we have right now. :nervous:
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Question: How come the Medusa explosion looks so dumb, and the poof from the beam hit looks so dumb?
And furthermore, in the FS1 intro, why do they focus so much on the guy's eyes, they are so poor quality!
Nice title.
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Well, assuming that the "Hades" wasn't put there simply for looks in the cutscene, but was an actual ship, let's think about this one. First of all, the Hades is 3Km long... A ship that big crashing into a world would either A) disintegrate instantly on impact, as the sheer force of impact would basically liquidate/destroy everything for miles around. or B) not be crashed on a hillside, but span SEVERAL hillsides. 3Km is over a mile long.
So, if we're not talking about a Hades, then what could this possibly be? Well, looking though pictures of other FS1 era ships, it could be an Apollo that is on it's side... that's 21m long, making it a good 60+feet. Also, we're told in FS2 that Deneb is inhabited... Cygnus Prime. The Vasudans flee because of the NTF, but did the Lucifer bombard? and if so, how were they able to recolonize when Vasuda Prime was rendered uninhabitable. If the Lucifer did not bombard, what are all those alien bodies that look like infantry doing on the ground? Do we know if Cygnus, or any other Deneb system planet was ever inhabited by the Ancients? If it was, that could be an Ancient ship that's crashed there. I admit, that protrusion coming out of the wreckage isn't repeated in very many ship designs. It can't be an Anubis, and it doesn't look much like a Valk, but that is a small possibility.
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Well, assuming that the "Hades" wasn't put there simply for looks in the cutscene, but was an actual ship, let's think about this one. First of all, the Hades is 3Km long... A ship that big crashing into a world would either A) disintegrate instantly on impact, as the sheer force of impact would basically liquidate/destroy everything for miles around. or B) not be crashed on a hillside, but span SEVERAL hillsides. 3Km is over a mile long.
Maybe it did an atmospheric landing on purpose before being brought down by ground forces. Would explain all the dead marines on the ground later.
So, if we're not talking about a Hades...
I didn't read the second paragraph beyond that because it's so blatantly clear that it is the Hades. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Period. :rolleyes:
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I didn't read the second paragraph beyond that because it's so blatantly clear that it is the Hades. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Period. :rolleyes:
Yeah, it can't possibly be anything else.
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Question: How come the Medusa explosion looks so dumb, and the poof from the beam hit looks so dumb?
And furthermore, in the FS1 intro, why do they focus so much on the guy's eyes, they are so poor quality!
FS1 came out in 1998, and FS2 came out in 1999. The graphics were pretty good compared to the standards at the time.
That's wrong, look at Colony Wars' cutscenes. That game is even older than FreeSpace and its cutscenes were incredible. The first CW came out in 1997(before FS1) and the second one in 1998(like FS1)...and they even were consolle games!
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Colony Wars wouldn't be better than the standard in that case.
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Back then pc games were just beginning to break out into the mainstream compared to the ps2. I agree the quality is great. It's no
Digital anvil granted but great nonetheless. It is the Hades also :)
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It was a game for PSX, not PS2. You can find many cutscenes on YouTube(ingnore CW: Red Sun as it came out after FS2).
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Wow... I wasn't expecting such... closed mindedness about my theory that it could be something -other- than the Hades... I personally was under the impression that capital ships were unable to land on planets (hence orbital shipyards and shuttles)...
Also, those bodies don't look very human... maybe Vasudan, but I don't know. Maybe, instead of disregarding my thoughts (and making an insult in the process) simply because they don't agree with what you -want- to believe, you read the next couple of lines I wrote and give it some thought? Obviously your put enough time into replying to me (rather rudely), you could at least provide some constructive criticism for my hypothesis...
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Wow... I wasn't expecting such... closed mindedness about my theory that it could be something -other- than the Hades... I personally was under the impression that capital ships were unable to land on planets (hence orbital shipyards and shuttles)...
Exactly. They don't land, they crash. :D
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Sorry man no offense meant. It's just too blatantly obvious. The bodies are infantry wearing great war era uniform as seen in hallfight. And i reckon the hades touched down on a more horizontal velocity than vertical. I'm following your theory i'm just stating my belief. :)
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I thought the bodies of the marines was from a battle in the TV war. Thats why the narrator was talking about the ruins of the great war.
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I thought the bodies of the marines was from a battle in the TV war. Thats why the narrator was talking about the ruins of the great war.
Great War =! Terran-Vasudan War
Also, those bodies don't look very human... maybe Vasudan, but I don't know.
Probably because they're skeletons. :P
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There's apparently some Shivan remains thrown in there as well. Why shouldn't there be?
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Are there? I don't recall seeing any. Get a screenie.
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Shivans aren't terrestrial. They don't invade planets, they bombard them or ignore them completely.
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Just because they haven't landed doesn't mean they won't land.
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They are pretty well equipped for hand to hand. I have to admiti :D
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It seems unlikely that they would be able to function very well with gravity, though. They are adapted to living in space with zero g.
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It seems unlikely that they would be able to function very well with gravity, though. They are adapted to living in space with zero g.
They still might be able to fight and survive in normal gravity though. Humans, with a few months (or years) of training could adapt to zero-g despite spending their entire lives on Earth with normal gravity.
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Yes, but it has been canonically mentioned multiple times that the Shivans don't take interest in occupying planets at all. So they would have no reason to invade.
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Yes, but it has been canonically mentioned multiple times that the Shivans don't take interest in occupying planets at all. So they would have no reason to invade.
Yes, they're only interested in killing. That's why they bombard planets from orbit.
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The Shivans seem to be uniquely adapted for close-quarters null/low-gee combat, so if I were to make a guess...I'd say they're really not interested in anything but protecting their own ships from boarding action. They can't count on being the correct size (I mean, seriously, a Shivan takes up three or four times the space of a human) to move around aboard an enemy ship or on their enemies not having set their ships up to provide a range advantage, so I would expect them to have been somewhat smaller and with more adaptable armament if they intended to take a fight to somebody in person.
The Shivans are also living in cybernetic bodies. We know they're fairly strong, we watched one smash a human into a wall hard enough to be apparently disabling despite body armor, but that was in a microgravity environment. They may not function well in a one-gee environment, if for no other reason then their unfamilarity...and I personally doubt they'll be able to run along the ceiling in one.
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Yes, but it has been canonically mentioned multiple times that the Shivans don't take interest in occupying planets at all. So they would have no reason to invade.
They may want to find and retrieve something on the surface of a planet.
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There is no canonical mention of them ever doing that.
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I'm just throwing around ideas.
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I might post a screen shot to clarify that the Shivans were not on the planet.
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Snail's theory can't be excluded. The Shivans are formidable in hand to hand combat.
A screen might exclude the presence of Shivan ground troops in the intro, nothing else.
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I never said that they are not good at hand to hand combat.
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Why can't the surface on the planet be battles from the T-V war? Wouldn't that make more sense?
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Why can't the surface on the planet be battles from the T-V war? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Yes, but making sense wasn't what these people signed on for. :P
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Why can't the surface on the planet be battles from the T-V war? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Thats my theory.
And i see no shivan remains on that screenie. On the right is the half buried leg of a terran or vasudan. If that was shivan, you would see more from it.
And who said the Shivans have biodegradable exoskeletons anyway?
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Just to clarify, I wasn't the one who said the Shivans were on Deneb, all I said "Just because they haven't done so yet doesn't mean they won't in the future.
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They're sealed off from "civilised" space ;7 point taken though :warp:
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Shivans aren't terrestrial. They don't invade planets, they bombard them or ignore them completely.
Yeah, although the game makes it pretty clear that Shivans don't like landing on planets, the bodies on the planet surface are apparently dead pilots/crewmen, although they aren't distinctly recognizable as such. Not that an organism would remain recognizable at all after descending from space, but this is FreeSpace.
Look at Hades' pic. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,51898.msg1060372.html#msg1060372) We have some weird metal cowling-looking contraption to the right. It looks as much like a Shivan leg as anything.
If that was shivan, you would see more from it.
Random fluff text by Dr. Hargrove from the first Knossos command brief: "Although Shivans exhibit considerable diversity as a species..." :v: probably wasn't paying attention when they said that, but it's a canon statement.
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:v: has a lot of plot holes to explain...
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Look at Hades' pic. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,51898.msg1060372.html#msg1060372) We have some weird metal cowling-looking contraption to the right. It looks as much like a Shivan leg as anything.
That looks like a human skeleton in armor to me.
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:v: has a lot of plot holes to explain...
Which were originally going to be explained in FS3 until all prospects of making it were shot down. :P
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That looks like a human skeleton in armor to me.
Looks too "muscular" to be a human leg or any other limb to me.
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But it doesn't really look shivan either. Plus its hollow. And it has human-like bones sticking out of it. And its too small to be shivan, compared with the other bodies (this could be debatable though).
EDIT: And the upper part of the leg doesn't have this, which it would, were the leg shivan.
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Theses a hulking great Hades shipwreck next to the corpses what more do you expect lol. They're human :)
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I'd say that it was a possibility that it is a Vasudan's leg we are seeing (With Vasudan armour of course).
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Either way, i don't think we need to keep debating whether it's shivan or not.
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This is at least the third chat i've seen on this topic. *leaves to go drink beer*
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But it doesn't really look shivan either. Plus its hollow. And it has human-like bones sticking out of it. And its too small to be shivan, compared with the other bodies (this could be debatable though).
EDIT: And the upper part of the leg doesn't have this, which it would, were the leg shivan.
Isn't Deneb an Vesudan inhabited system?
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Uhh, no, Vesudan is from Freespace, Vasudan is from FreeSpace.
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I'm not one to nitpick but that really made me smile snail, muahahaha
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Uhh, no, Vesudan is from Freespace, Vasudan is from FreeSpace.
and your mom is from Myspace
JK :lol:
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I always thought the demon in the FS2 opening cutscene was the Tantalus (which you encounter later in the FS1 campaign).
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But it specifically said no other Shivan destroyers were in the system.
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It could have arrived after that statement was made
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:necro:
To be honest, I'm getting tired with this :blah:
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**** yeah. And I bet the Hades in the FS2 intro was actually a super secret, hitech twin brother ship of the Hades in Silent Threat. The worst luck just struck and this Hades had a terrible malfunction, which caused it to crash on Deneb. It was such a failure that the GTVA enforced a law that prohibited anyone from ever mentioning the incident again. Which is also the reason no canon information about that Hades exists.