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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: BlackDove on February 16, 2008, 11:11:58 am
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http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1643184420080216?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews
Hope it's true, it dies, and it stays down. Enough of this bull****.
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Looks like Sony got it right this time around.
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While it wasn't my preferred format, I'll be glad to see the back of this ridiculousness. It's about time.
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[sarcasm]But there aren't enough blue-ray diodes![/sarcasm]
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I'm just sad to see
the evil empire Sony win. :p
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I'll be honest, I was kinda rooting for HD-DVD because the failure of Blu-ray would have been a major kick in the balls for Sony. As it stands, I honestly don't really care. Seriously, where there any major differences between the two formats that would effect the end user?
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HD DVD was region free.
That's basically it.
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Seriously, where there any major differences between the two formats that would effect the end user?
Blu Ray stores 25GB per layer - so 50GB per comercial disk as opposed to 15GB/layer 30GB/disk for HD DVD
Blu Ray supports region coding.. but 2/3rds of all blu ray disks don't have a region tag on them.
blu ray's copy protection hasn't been broken yet.. but it's just a matter of time
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I did a bit of research back in the day, and decided to 'side' with HD-DVD. But its a close call, as far as the consumer is concerned. Even though the HD-DVD only stores 30GB, the argument was that you really didn't need the extra 20GB, since there would never be anything to put on it. You could put all the extras you wanted and it would never get full, even in HD format.
Another argument in the case for HD-DVD was that the discs and players were extremely cheap to make. Basically, only slight modifications to existing DVD factories had to be made in order to make HD-DVDs. This would result in the prices dropping much faster after the initial boom. Blu Ray has to make entirely new factories / equipment in order to produce their wares.
With Blu Ray winning, it basically just means that the average consumer won't buy their hi-def movie playing stuff until a few years later down the road, until production costs drop dramatically.
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I never saw a HD DVD in action. How's the quality compare to Blu-Ray?
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blu ray's copy protection hasn't been broken yet.. but it's just a matter of time
I thought they used the same system as the HD-DVD for copy protection/encryption... (AACS) :nervous:
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blu ray has some enhancements on top of AACS
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I love all of you guys with your "picks" and "sides".
All so cute.
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Eh, I'll just wait for the replacement for blue-ray LOL
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i dont think ive bought a dvd in over 4 years, so i really dont care who wins. if i had to choose between sony, a company known for really evil drm, and toshiba which sorta half assed it (which is good cause drm sucks balls), i woulda picked toshiba, but thats beside the point. i would have perfered a general purpose format. also comes the question why are we still using discs when the internet is pretty fast and everything has wireless. high definition isnt that big of a deal, you dont watch a movie to count pixels and it only makes bad special effects look worse. if resolution is what you want, watch movies on your computer screen.
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It really doesn't matter who wins, because the HD content on both mediums in the end is going to be the same. This was more a battle of features and cost. I don't care that sony's winning the battle as the only two places i get movies is tv and the theater. Commentaries and extra's suck, deleted scenes can also suck but it depends on the situation for them, such as a cool movie like lord of the rings trilogy. The other thing that doesn't make any sense on the new hd mediums is the new sound standards and encoding they have. With all that storage on the new HD mediums, movie makers can afford to just use raw PCM audio only which sounds better for explosions and such. Oh no, now there's dolby digital hd, with all of that storage why not do away with dolby as well? Uncompressed movie audio is as good as audio gets for movies period. It's also a little odd to think how new audio standards need to come out for the HD mediums since movie audio in general hasn't changed, and doesn't really need to. Or maybe i'm missing something here and people making HD content are starting to support lossless compression algorithms.
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Call me when someone has figured out how to make cheap, writeable data storage disks and drives of Blu-ray or HD-DVD size. Till then I couldn't give a stuff.
This is just an excuse to charge an even higher amount for the same movies you already (could) have bought on DVD and blame it on the expense of producing them in HD. Funny how the price doesn't come back down once the price of making them falls below the price of the established medium though.
We saw this happen with the Video to DVD transition and I'm just pissing myself with laughter at how everyone is lining up and presenting so that the winning HD format could **** them in the arse again.
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http://kotaku.com/357959/hd-dvd-is-dead-please-move-on-with-your-life
There we go, that's it, it's done.
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And when the research on holographic disks is complete, they will be unleashed to the world! and their massive storage capacity and cheap production costs will sway them HD-DVD and Blu-Ray! MWUHIHIHI!
(Some random post based on real information. Read an article in the CT about holographic disks, and my cents are on that one).
Anyway, why did Sony win? (Sniff). That company will probably add an rootkit to every disc they make, and when they sold millions of Blu-Ray discs, cancel our rights to use the contents on it, and force us to purchase new again!
(Again, random post based on things that really happened.)
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This is just an excuse to charge an even higher amount for the same movies you already (could) have bought on DVD and blame it on the expense of producing them in HD. Funny how the price doesn't come back down once the price of making them falls below the price of the established medium though.
We saw this happen with the Video to DVD transition and I'm just pissing myself with laughter at how everyone is lining up and presenting so that the winning HD format could **** them in the arse again.
as well as with the transition from cassette tapes to cd. it bugs me that weve gone through 2 dvd formats yet the obsolete cd has not been upgraded (much) in over 25 years.
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Well, as long as Beethoven's 9th Symphony conducted by Wilhelm Furtwängler in 1951 fits on a CD, there's no need to increase the capacity of the Compact Disk... :lol:
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To be honest, I was waiting to see whether either would be worth the effort... Still haven't decided.
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as well as with the transition from cassette tapes to cd. it bugs me that weve gone through 2 dvd formats yet the obsolete cd has not been upgraded (much) in over 25 years.
What point is there in upgrading? CD is already plenty good. Upgrading CD probably wouldn't be worth it. They tried it with DVD audio and no one was bothered in the slightest.
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This is just an excuse to charge an even higher amount for the same movies you already (could) have bought on DVD and blame it on the expense of producing them in HD. Funny how the price doesn't come back down once the price of making them falls below the price of the established medium though.
We saw this happen with the Video to DVD transition and I'm just pissing myself with laughter at how everyone is lining up and presenting so that the winning HD format could **** them in the arse again.
as well as with the transition from cassette tapes to cd. it bugs me that weve gone through 2 dvd formats yet the obsolete cd has not been upgraded (much) in over 25 years.
The DVD is kind of an upgrade. They are practically the same technology, laser reading a reflection on a plastic disc.
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This is just an excuse to charge an even higher amount for the same movies you already (could) have bought on DVD and blame it on the expense of producing them in HD. Funny how the price doesn't come back down once the price of making them falls below the price of the established medium though.
We saw this happen with the Video to DVD transition and I'm just pissing myself with laughter at how everyone is lining up and presenting so that the winning HD format could **** them in the arse again.
as well as with the transition from cassette tapes to cd. it bugs me that weve gone through 2 dvd formats yet the obsolete cd has not been upgraded (much) in over 25 years.
You know, there's not much point in that. CD sound is nice and clean, and using a Music DVD is rather overkilly since you'd need to put s h i t l o a d s of music on it to be cost-effective. Have you ever tried how many MP3's fit on a single CD? Well over hundred.
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DVD Audio wasn't about the amount of MP3's you could fit onto a disc though, any more than CDs are. MP3's are compressed and the quality suffers for it. CD Audio uses uncompressed 44KHz 16 Bit Audio, Audio DVD could have held more audio at 48Khz, 24 Bit surround.
The thing about all these formats is that you will hit a brick wall. For Video, I don't see much point to advanced DVD, 'quality' is all well and good, but things can just get silly to the point where the quality difference is only visible if you are sitting 2 inches from the screen. That's why I'm still not certain there is any real future to the HD Movie market.
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You can always build larger screens :D
Regarding the CD, its usually the recording/production/mastering that ruins the result, not the limitations of the CD standard.
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Man I wish I could give a **** about all the HD features etc. but I just don't want to use 30 DVD discs to back my ****ing hardrive up anymore.
Three BLURAYZ and that's goddamn it. They need to hurry the **** up with commercial availability/affordability.
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I'm going to laugh at all of the people who upgraded to Blueray/HD-DVD players when HVDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc)
come out get popular with companies.
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Man I wish I could give a **** about all the HD features etc. but I just don't want to use 30 DVD discs to back my ****ing hardrive up anymore.
Three BLURAYZ and that's goddamn it. They need to hurry the **** up with commercial availability/affordability.
I'm also much more interested in Bluray as a data storage option and couldn't care less about movies. The drives are far too expensive to be viable right now but should come down in price over time.
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Man I wish I could give a **** about all the HD features etc. but I just don't want to use 30 DVD discs to back my ****ing hardrive up anymore.
Three BLURAYZ and that's goddamn it. They need to hurry the **** up with commercial availability/affordability.
I'm also much more interested in Bluray as a data storage option and couldn't care less about movies. The drives are far too expensive to be viable right now but should come down in price over time.
Yeah, same here. My eyes are already falling behind on the resolution thing. There's little joy in a really high definition video if my eyes make it as blurry as DVD anyways.
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Update: Looks like there is some evidence (albiet kind of circumstantial) Sony may have paid off Toshiba to drop HD-DVD.
http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/23/139228.shtml
I still believe that one of the commentaries said it right: Business should be built around standards, not standards being built around business with the hope of making psuedo profits.