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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hellstryker on April 23, 2008, 07:17:46 am
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What else is new...
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I seriously underestimated her ruthlessness. Watching this election is like watching an episode of the three stooges.
On the other hand I'm not sure why she or anyone else would want to be president now, with the economy being a slow motion train wreck, iraq, oil, and a host of other serious issues.
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I seriously underestimated her ruthlessness. Watching this election is like watching an episode of the three stooges.
On the other hand I'm not sure why she or anyone else would want to be president now, with the economy being a slow motion train wreck, iraq, oil, and a host of other serious issues.
there's good profit to be made from making things worse for everyone else.
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
None... i thought that was common knowledge even in europe...
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Nah, i can't even remember the names of your political parties.......... :p
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
So are stupidity and nuclear capability.
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<insert generic bush reference>
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
I lol to that...but it's damn true! :lol:
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
To claim Hillary PMS's, you must be claiming that it is in fact at least part woman.........
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i vote based on who i think is more likely to press the launch button.
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Wow...now that's a shocking discovery! :rolleyes:
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There's two things you can say about Nuke.
He likes Nukes and Rotary guns ;)
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im working on a gatling gun that fires nuke-bullets. i think the smallest nuke can fit in a 250mm shell, so this thing is gonna be massive :D
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im working on a gatling gun that fires nuke-bullets. i think the smallest nuke can fit in a 250mm shell, so this thing is gonna be massive :D
Can I have one? (pre-ordered with 20,000 rounds)
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How many she-presidents have there been in the past :confused: would this be your first as i have no idea........PMT/PMS and Nuclear capability are a bad mix you know...
To claim Hillary PMS's, you must be claiming that it is in fact at least part woman.........
When I have children, I'm going to use the internet to teach them about healthy attitudes regarding gender.
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When I have children, I'm going to use the internet to teach them about healthy attitudes regarding gender.
Uh... what?
What if you have daughters?
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When I have children, I'm going to use the internet to teach them about healthy attitudes regarding gender.
Uh... what?
What if you have daughters?
I think that post needed a sarcasm tag.
Seriously, guys, those remarks were offensive. Think you’d like it if your professional credibility was dismissed because testosterone makes people too aggressive?
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When I have children, I'm going to use the internet to teach them about healthy attitudes regarding gender.
Uh... what?
What if you have daughters?
have you ever heard of Lady Oscar? :P :lol:
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Do you people seriously believe that this is funny? There are women out there who hear these same remarks when they're turned down for jobs. There are women who are told this is the reason they can't be president.
Listen to Rian and shut the hell up.
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Yeah, a lot of internet communities are hostile toward women, and I have my own theories on why that is...
And seriously, it's not even necessary to use such things to bash Hilary, she has plenty of legitimate faults to go around.
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Simple...the number of females is very, very low. That makes certain kinds of posts, which might irritate a woman, very common.
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women are evil dirty whores
that is all i have to say about that
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women are evil dirty whores
that is all i have to say about that
Just tell them to go gb2/kitchen/.
Anyway. :nervous:
The democratic party is torn.
They have a great chance, and I'd really hate to seem them lose it over internal bickering. :(
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Simple...the number of females is very, very low. That makes certain kinds of posts, which might irritate a woman, very common.
I have no problem with comments that might not be perceived as appropriate in mixed company, and even the occasional sexist joke can be quite funny, but it is so overused that it is quite frankly old and tiresome.
@Nuke
As long as you're talking about Hilary, I agree. :p
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Sicko :ick:
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And seriously, it's not even necessary to use such things to bash Hilary, she has plenty of legitimate faults to go around.
As does anyone...as does Barrack. There's something fishy about that guy...
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Everyone whining and crying about the girl jokes in here needs a lesson in internetz.
First session will answer the age-old question: "Should I Take Internetz Srsly?"
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When I have children, I'm going to use the internet to teach them about healthy attitudes regarding gender.
Uh... what?
What if you have daughters?
I think that post needed a sarcasm tag.
Seriously, guys, those remarks were offensive. Think you’d like it if your professional credibility was dismissed because testosterone makes people too aggressive?
Do you people seriously believe that this is funny? There are women out there who hear these same remarks when they're turned down for jobs. There are women who are told this is the reason they can't be president.
Listen to Rian and shut the hell up.
:nervous:
I'm obviously missing something. I did not mean to make ANY offensive statement regaurding women. I was stating that any young girl who turned to the internet for information on gender roles would become a seriously messed up adult. Now that I think about it that applies to men as well.
How my statement was sexist is quite beyond me
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:nervous:
I'm obviously missing something. I did not mean to make ANY offensive statement regaurding women. I was stating that any young girl who turned to the internet for information on gender roles would become a seriously messed up adult. Now that I think about it that applies to men as well.
How my statement was sexist is quite beyond me
It wasn't; the comments weren't directed towards you.
@nuclear1
I don't take the internet seriously, and this issue doesn't get me worked up or anything. It's just like I said though, it is tiresome and rarely funny.
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Guys SHUT UP about the comments/internets/women already god damnit. I started this thread about politics, and i have plenty of reasons for prefering Obama over Hillary and it has NOTHING to do with her being a woman. :mad2:
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Guys SHUT UP about the comments/internets/women already god damnit. I started this thread about politics, and i have plenty of reasons for prefering Obama over Hillary and it has NOTHING to do with her being a woman. :mad2:
Ahhh, so you like the communist...
P.S.
Don't peg me as a McCain supporter, he's an idiot...
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Women are wounder full beings, strange and hard to fathom, when we are close to understanding, they do something new to confound us. Each one is unique and beautiful in her own way, although covered in layers of defenses, one added for every person that hurt her.
Yet we poor men are drawn to these sirens, many perish on the wrecks of who has gone before hearing only the song not seeing only the goal or the dangers, unaware. Then ask "why" as we sink in the icy waters after embracing a phantom as the truth, not ever truly seeing the goal, feeling only the pang of loss, not knowing that we never truly had.
But a man seeing the goal at the end, and avoiding the phantom and the shoals, even in falling short of the prize, will not hold malice in his heart upon parting, but hope in knowing what may be.
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On the other hand I'm not sure why she or anyone else would want to be president now, with the economy being a slow motion train wreck, iraq, oil, and a host of other serious issues.
Huh, seems like you answered your own question. When things are going really badly, you don't need to do much to make it seem like your the best thing that ever happened to the nation. Plus the fact that they all think that they know the perfect solution for those problems doesn't hurt at all.
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Ahhh, so you like the communist...
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Don't peg me as a McCain supporter, he's an idiot...
If Obama is a communist to you, I can't begin to imagine your appraisal of actual liberals.
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Women are wounder full beings, strange and hard to fathom, when we are close to understanding, they do something new to confound us. Each one is unique and beautiful in her own way, although covered in layers of defenses, one added for every person that hurt her.
Yet we poor men are drawn to these sirens, many perish on the wrecks of who has gone before hearing only the song not seeing only the goal or the dangers, unaware. Then ask "why" as we sink in the icy waters after embracing a phantom as the truth, not ever truly seeing the goal, feeling only the pang of loss, not knowing that we never truly had.
But a man seeing the goal at the end, and avoiding the phantom and the shoals, even in falling short of the prize, will not hold malice in his heart upon parting, but hope in knowing what may be.
:wtf:
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Ahhh, so you like the communist...
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Don't peg me as a McCain supporter, he's an idiot...
If Obama is a communist to you, I can't begin to imagine your appraisal of actual liberals.
I am honestly confused as to what you think an actual liberal is seeing as Obama during his time as a senator was one of the most (if not the most) liberal members of the Senate.
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I suspect Ford Perfects definition of Liberal is something like this:
(http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/hippie-48540.jpg)
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.
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I will grant you that. Plus I think the Education system needs a lot more changes than the Federal government under any direction is willing to give.
Of the three canidates that have a chance of winning Obama is probably the most liberal.
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Everyone whining and crying about the girl jokes in here needs a lesson in internetz.
First session will answer the age-old question: "Should I Take Internetz Srsly?"
The idea of jokes that are 'not okay in mixed company' needs to die. That's a double standard.
How is it okay to make remarks about women behind their backs, then claim you're an upstanding equal-rights advocate because you don't make those remarks in mixed company? The first half of this thread was a series of PMS jokes implying that women can't hold positions of responsibility, which were all well and good until it turned out one of the readers was female (and someone who has to put up with incredible gender discrimination in the field of physics, I might add.)
How do you have any right to decide what will offend her when you have never once had to deal with that kind of disrespect? Female physicists produce high-quality research at a greater rate than males, because they know they have to work hard to prove themselves. But they still get ignored and undersupported.
Let me quote from Cosmic Variance:
The jaw-dropping aspect...is that the awarding of conference presentations was grossly gender biased (as was the fraction of service work assigned to the women). The female postdocs had drastically higher levels of productivity (indeed, half the men were less productive than the least productive woman), but were allocated far fewer conference presentations than men with comparable productivity.
A woman going into physics has to deal with this stuff on a daily basis. Do you think that running into it on a recreational site on the Internet, of all places, is going to make that easier?
The Internet has no more right to be a haven for misogyny, even joking misogyny, than any other public forum, because even joking misogyny perpetuates those problems.
That said, I think this thread is back on track and I don't want to derail it, so that's the last I'll say on the topic.
Mars, I wasn't particularly offended by anything you said.
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.
Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.
I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
- Strongly supports social welfare
- Opposes educational vouchers
- Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
- Supports universal health care
- Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
- And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control
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He supports taking away semi-automatics only.
He's not saying that people should be handing in their hunting shotguns and rifles, or their revolvers for that matter.
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He supports taking away semi-automatics only.
He's not saying that people should be handing in their hunting shotguns and rifles, or their revolvers for that matter.
He has also supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns. Most importantly though, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting...
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Right up until I had one sticking in my face, I agreed average people should have access to firearms.
A little more regulation would be a very good thing.
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Right up until I had one sticking in my face, I agreed average people should have access to firearms.
A little more regulation would be a very good thing.
There I disagree. The people that will abide by the regulation are not the people that would "stick one in your face." The criminals (as in law breakers) don't much care for laws.
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.
Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.
I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
- Strongly supports social welfare
- Opposes educational vouchers
- Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
- Supports universal health care
- Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
- And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control
List those ideas to a European social democrat and they'll blink and say, "And...?" You can't even see communism from where Obama is standing on the political map.
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But their guns come from somewhere.
I'm not sure where to find stats on this sort of thing so check me:
I think that most guns used in crimes in the US were registered to someone before the fact, but were used by someone else for criminal purposes.
I think most guns used in crimes were not smuggled across the border but rather legally shipped or manufactured and legally sold.
Once again, I can't check this, I have no idea where to go. I'm not trying to build a strawman.
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Aren't guns used in more suicides than murders? I believe I've seen statistics to that effect.
Just thought that was interesting.
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List those ideas to a European social democrat and they'll blink and say, "And...?" You can't even see communism from where Obama is standing on the political map.
This is one of my pet peeves; comparing politics between countries is a bit like comparing elephants and battleships, they're both relatively big and gray, but so what? And since the Europeans are allowed to say the reverse, I'll say that I'm mighty glad that I'm not European...
@Mars
Most weapons related to crimes are obtained illegally by the criminal in question; whether they were obtained legally by a previous "owner" is a different question.
Edit because I feel like it:
Here is some food for thought for people that think that guns are responsible for violence and thus need to be controlled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
I know, not the most accurate source ever, but it's good enough for this purpose. The states with low homicide rates have rates that are comparable to countries that have banned firearms. Take particular notice of the demographics of the states with high homicide rates, and notice that the demographics in these states are nothing like those in the aforementioned countries. Just something for consideration...
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[quote author=Zoltan link=topic=53472.msg1081326#msg1081326
@Mars
Most weapons related to crimes are obtained illegally by the criminal in question; whether they were obtained legally by a previous "owner" is a different question.
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That was the question I was attempting to ask.
Although the statistics do show that people with permits rarely commit gun crimes.
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Of the three canidates that have a chance of winning Obama is probably the most liberal.
And thats why I don't like him (among other things). There's such a thing as too much of the "good" stuff - too much liberty = not good in the long run.
And the reason I'm suspicious about Obama is how he came out of nowhere, out of the shadows, with no real history behind him, and suddenly got all that $$$ for his campaign. Sounds to me like he's someones puppet on a string...you can't get that amount of $$$ without doing some serious a** kissing and promises.
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The illuminati?
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This is one of my pet peeves; comparing politics between countries is a bit like comparing elephants and battleships, they're both relatively big and gray, but so what? And since the Europeans are allowed to say the reverse, I'll say that I'm mighty glad that I'm not European...
Fine-- I'm not going to open up that debate-- but it was you who compared Obama to a party that is virtually nonexistent in this country, and in that context I thought it relevant to demonstrate how relatively conservative the American conception of liberalism actually is.
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Wait, Obama wants a ban on semi-autos?
He's lost my vote.
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Fine-- I'm not going to open up that debate-- but it was you who compared Obama to a party that is virtually nonexistent in this country, and in that context I thought it relevant to demonstrate how relatively conservative the American conception of liberalism actually is.
I was not comparing Obama to the Communist Party in any way, shape, or form beyond the fact that the Communist Party supports the ideals of communism. Admittedly the number of registered Communists in the United States are somewhat low, but given the attitude towards communists in the recent past, I would wager that there are many more that just don't bear the title. The American concept of liberalism is indeed quite conservative in regards to some issues relative to other countries, but in terms of some other issues they are in fact more liberal, all of which leads to comparisons being both somewhat moot and futile.
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.
Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.
I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
- Strongly supports social welfare
- Opposes educational vouchers
- Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
- Supports universal health care
- Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
- And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control
if you think those values somehow indicate communism, you are ****ing insane and should stop posting
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if you think those values somehow indicate communism, you are ****ing insane and should stop posting
Those were merely some examples, and I must say, if that is the most intelligent comment that you can come up with you should definitely stop breathing. If however you have something better to add, feel free to post it; I wouldn't mind having a discussion (or even a debate), but if you want to troll, just crawl back under your bridge. :rolleyes:
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I would normally add something intelligent to this thread, but reading the last 3 pages I now feel mentally retarded.
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too much liberty = not good in the long run.
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2m7x1rq.jpg)
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And thats why I don't like him (among other things). There's such a thing as too much of the "good" stuff - too much liberty = not good in the long run.
I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."
Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?
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I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."
Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?
Too true... And despite being a bunch of crazy bastards, Libertarians are about the closest thing (in the US) to a group working for the liberty of the people. Unfortunately, most people (especially those with power) don't seem to care about the liberties of others.
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i'll bet he thinks abortion is murder, and that women shouldn't be allowed to vote or leave the kitchen.
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i'll bet he thinks abortion is murder, and that women shouldn't be allowed to vote or leave the kitchen.
Libertarian != Redneck
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Meh, you should hear what most women say about men ;)
As for the whole Hilary thing, I don't like her. There's something 'shifty' about that woman, even though both sides are playing from the dirty tricks book, she seems to be relishing it all the more.
Frankly the idea of anyone who can't tell the difference between 'under sniper fire' and 'being handed a bouquet by a young girl' should be, in no way whatsoever involved with the ability to launch thermonuclear warheads.
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I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."
Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?
Well, that would be stricly a metter of oppinion or POW, now wouldn't it?
and yes, yes I can.
To be more precise, let me quote mr. Mann from CNN:
Obama supporters blame Clinton for negative and nasty campaigning, but she didn't pick his church, his friends or his words for him.
Clinton was always more appealing to ordinary, working-class Americans than Obama. While he based his campaign on the promise of 'hope' and 'change,' she offered a catalogue of policies and programs to address concrete concerns.
The economy was the number one issue in Pennsylvania, just as it is nationwide, and voters worried about it voted for her, by a clear margin.
Hope and change...nice words...anyone can have nice speeches, especially when others write it for them. Having a concrete plan and addresing actual issues - that's something more solid then flinging concepts and ideas in your face.
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That wasn't precise at all.
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The "to be more precise" was not reffering to your post, but the reason I would pick Hillary over Obama.. Guess I should have worded it differently or put something in between to separate the parts of text.
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Uh, TrashMan, I asked you to give one of Obama's policies. All you managed to do was quote campaign ideals. These are not the same things.
Can you name and describe one actual POLICY of Obama's platform which you disagree with and indicate why?
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Watch him come up with the ban on semi auto weapons :rolleyes:
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Frankly the idea of anyone who can't tell the difference between 'under sniper fire' and 'being handed a bouquet by a young girl' should be, in no way whatsoever involved with the ability to launch thermonuclear warheads.
You shouldn't be so hard on her; I'm sure everyone has made that particular mistake at one point or another...
@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...
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@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...
The shame of that particular truth is that if Bush actually manages to dodge the incoming financial disaster (which I doubt, most predictions peg it as arriving before the election, but you never know) the newly elected administration is going to take all of the blame for it because people are fundamentally stupid and shortsighted. They'll probably take the blame for not getting the economy out of the mess fast too, even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.
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@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...
The shame of that particular truth is that if Bush actually manages to dodge the incoming financial disaster (which I doubt, most predictions peg it as arriving before the election, but you never know) the newly elected administration is going to take all of the blame for it because people are fundamentally stupid and shortsighted. They'll probably take the blame for not getting the economy out of the mess fast too, even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.
Though it is a pity for who ever inherits the situation, it seems (to me at least) to be a case of ever repeating "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
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even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.
For the most part, although deregulation in many sectors has led to so called "financial innovation" (IE. Enron) and the governments message of "spend spend spend" certainly had a hand in it.
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So Obama won North Carolina and Clinton is winning by a small margin in Indiana.
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And neither of them have a chance of hell in winning the election unless one of them drops out real soon.
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's funny, somebody predicted that Clinton would prolong defeat just like this, because frankly it's her only hope in hell of getting a nomination...in 2012.
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And I wonder why Obama hasn't been hitting her with those accusations. Has he not figured it out yet?
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I really cannot believe these guys. I cannot believe we may actually end up with another Republican president. After every massive and publicly deplored screwup the Republicans have made in the last eight years, this election should have been an easy landslide victory for the Democrats, and they are blowing it. They are making McCain look like the reasonable one. Can't they see that?
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The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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I'm not convinced that this race is detrimental to the Democrats. Why is it so bad that we have two candidates that people seem to think are viable? The tactics they're using against each other aren't anything that we haven't come to expect in a political campaign, and McCain is still suffering from his association with the current administration. (More so, for instance, than Obama is suffering for his association with Jeremiah Wright.)
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Because nearly a quarter of each candidate's supporters have said outright they will vote for McCain if there candidate doesn't make it.