[MP-Ryan]

And thats why I don't like him (among other things). There's such a thing as too much of the "good" stuff - too much liberty = not good in the long run.

I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."

Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?

[Zoltan]

I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."

Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?

Too true... And despite being a bunch of crazy bastards, Libertarians are about the closest thing (in the US) to a group working for the liberty of the people. Unfortunately, most people (especially those with power) don't seem to care about the liberties of others.

[Turambar]

i'll bet he thinks abortion is murder, and that women shouldn't be allowed to vote or leave the kitchen.

[Nuclear1]

i'll bet he thinks abortion is murder, and that women shouldn't be allowed to vote or leave the kitchen.

Libertarian != Redneck

[Flipside]

Meh, you should hear what most women say about men

As for the whole Hilary thing, I don't like her. There's something 'shifty' about that woman, even though both sides are playing from the dirty tricks book, she seems to be relishing it all the more.

Frankly the idea of anyone who can't tell the difference between 'under sniper fire' and 'being handed a bouquet by a young girl' should be, in no way whatsoever involved with the ability to launch thermonuclear warheads.

[TrashMan]

I don't think any politician or country has actually even come close to "just enough" liberty, nevermind "too much."

Besides, can you actually name a single one of Obama's policies?

Well, that would be stricly a metter of oppinion or POW, now wouldn't it?

and yes, yes I can.


To be more precise, let me quote mr. Mann from CNN:

Obama supporters blame Clinton for negative and nasty campaigning, but she didn't pick his church, his friends or his words for him.

Clinton was always more appealing to ordinary, working-class Americans than Obama. While he based his campaign on the promise of 'hope' and 'change,' she offered a catalogue of policies and programs to address concrete concerns.

The economy was the number one issue in Pennsylvania, just as it is nationwide, and voters worried about it voted for her, by a clear margin.

Hope and change...nice words...anyone can have nice speeches, especially when others write it for them. Having a concrete plan and addresing actual issues - that's something more solid then flinging concepts and ideas in your face.

[Ford Prefect]

That wasn't precise at all.

[TrashMan]

The "to be more precise" was not reffering to your post, but the reason I would pick Hillary over Obama.. Guess I should have worded it differently or put something in between to separate the parts of text.

[MP-Ryan]

Uh, TrashMan, I asked you to give one of Obama's policies.  All you managed to do was quote campaign ideals.  These are not the same things.

Can you name and describe one actual POLICY of Obama's platform which you disagree with and indicate why?

[Hellstryker]

Watch him come up with the ban on semi auto weapons 

[Zoltan]

Frankly the idea of anyone who can't tell the difference between 'under sniper fire' and 'being handed a bouquet by a young girl' should be, in no way whatsoever involved with the ability to launch thermonuclear warheads.

You shouldn't be so hard on her; I'm sure everyone has made that particular mistake at one point or another...


@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...

[MP-Ryan]

@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...

The shame of that particular truth is that if Bush actually manages to dodge the incoming financial disaster (which I doubt, most predictions peg it as arriving before the election, but you never know) the newly elected administration is going to take all of the blame for it because people are fundamentally stupid and shortsighted.  They'll probably take the blame for not getting the economy out of the mess fast too, even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.

[Zoltan]

@Trashman
If you think that any of the candidates will make any practical change, you should either be put into a mental institution or commended and be titled comedian of the year... not sure which though...

The shame of that particular truth is that if Bush actually manages to dodge the incoming financial disaster (which I doubt, most predictions peg it as arriving before the election, but you never know) the newly elected administration is going to take all of the blame for it because people are fundamentally stupid and shortsighted.  They'll probably take the blame for not getting the economy out of the mess fast too, even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.

Though it is a pity for who ever inherits the situation, it seems (to me at least) to be a case of ever repeating "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

[Kosh]

even though economic performance has almost nothing to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.

For the most part, although deregulation in many sectors has led to so called "financial innovation" (IE. Enron) and the governments message of "spend spend spend" certainly had a hand in it.

[Nuclear1]

So Obama won North Carolina and Clinton is winning by a small margin in Indiana.

[Mars]

And neither of them have a chance of hell in winning the election unless one of them drops out real soon.

[NGTM-1R]

's funny, somebody predicted that Clinton would prolong defeat just like this, because frankly it's her only hope in hell of getting a nomination...in 2012.

[Mr. Vega]

And I wonder why Obama hasn't been hitting her with those accusations. Has he not figured it out yet?

[perihelion]

I really cannot believe these guys.  I cannot believe we may actually end up with another Republican president.  After every massive and publicly deplored screwup the Republicans have made in the last eight years, this election should have been an easy landslide victory for the Democrats, and they are blowing it.  They are making McCain look like the reasonable one.  Can't they see that?

[Slasher]

The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.