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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Wiki Project => Topic started by: Akalabeth Angel on September 01, 2008, 03:28:49 pm
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I added some more ships to the database page, mostly Vasudan stuff (well, all Vasudan stuff).
One thing I'm noticing though, is as I add stuff that HTML page gets longer and longer. If I or other people continue to add entries, it's eventually going to be one huge ass HTML file and people hate that. Hell it's pretty long already. I'm think it'll be better convert it instead into table format, and have say "Fighters" and then have Terran Vasudan Shivan Ancient Other each forming their own column across the screen. Hopefully Wiki allows for percentage based tables so that it works with most resolutions?? That could literally cut down on the length to like 1/5th and will also quite frankly look better, especially with one of those header lines or whatever separating each section.
I'll look into this later if it seems like a good idea.
Also personally I'd remove the credits from the main list and instead place it into the ship's page itself. But that's just me, I'm not going to edit a bunch of other people's stuff without consent. It seems much cleaner to just have the designation with the ship name. But maybe some poeple like to choose ships based on their author's I don't really know.
EDIT - If I get to editing it, I'll probably change the section titles into something like "Capital Ships" "Large Capital Ships" and "Super Capital Ships". Seems like a more logical progression than just throwing out a bunch of random names. Though I would keep those names in parenthesis, but not as the section title. Also given the volume of entries for some sections, it's tempting to do away with them all together. A terran knossos for example, could fit under the Static Installation category whether its manned or unmanned. Though I suppose if I try to get it into the table format it won't really take up much space at all anyway.
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I think I've finished adding all the publicly released Vasudans:
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships)
That I know of anyway. If I missed any, give me a shout. I'm not sure if there were any in the Lost Souls dump and whether that information is even available anymore.
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Wow you're doing some really good work here. :yes:
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Wow you're doing some really good work here. :yes:
Yeah thanks for some of your fixes, I'm just guessing at some of that so I would hope that someone more knowledgeable would come along and correct me. I still have to go back into all of my sept01 posts and update the model creator credits since I didn't realize a lot of the credits were listed on the master ship list.
EDIT - I also noticed I manage to bork every one of the new entries. I used one file as a base which had the credits saying "the SA" team (probably inaccurately) then when I changed it for the new ships I accidently left "the" in there. So now ships are credited to "the Woomeister" and "the Trashman" (both of which sound okay, but maybe not "the Bobbau"). Minor point. But perhaps its not in the proper tone and can be fixed whenever people ("people" likely being "me") bother to do so.
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Added a few more ships.
After I add the Shivans I'm going to reformat that page. It's already looking like some big long drivelled mess. Might not happen until the weekend or so though if not later. I should be doing all kinds of other things.
EDIT - btw, why when you click on the link at the bottom of a ship entry does it not link back to the same page you came from? That's honestly bizarre. Not sure why there are two mod lists . . . (one's alphabetically, the one you click back to).
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Didn't read this thread fully, but what the heck. :p
Maybe you should put all the mod ships in such directories by species ( for example: shows Terran ships, then go terran fighters, bombers, cruisers, corvettes, and etc., after all terran ships go Vasudan and so on )?
Second: there are improved maps for the Ancients. Unless you want to have them in their original INFR1 form?
Lastly... I don't know if I'm pushing it and all, but maybe you could write there that the Ancient ships will appear in my ASW mod? ;)
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Bravo Akalabeth, a great contribution.
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Second: there are improved maps for the Ancients. Unless you want to have them in their original INFR1 form?
Define improved maps, as I recall Woo totally reworked them both maps and models and it wasn't totally to their benefit.
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Upgraded maps by freespaceking.
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Didn't read this thread fully, but what the heck. :p
Maybe you should put all the mod ships in such directories by species ( for example: shows Terran ships, then go terran fighters, bombers, cruisers, corvettes, and etc., after all terran ships go Vasudan and so on )?
Second: there are improved maps for the Ancients. Unless you want to have them in their original INFR1 form?
Lastly... I don't know if I'm pushing it and all, but maybe you could write there that the Ancient ships will appear in my ASW mod? ;)
Hmmn, that's a possibility. Well actually I was thinking of maybe having two pages, one that lists everything by class and one that lists everything by their respective species. Have the class one default and then have a link to the species one at the top? But if I put it into columns I'm going to do away with custom races having their own category, they'll all be lumped into "other" because there isn't enough. While the Terrans will get two because they have so many. ADDENDUM - Also if I take the author's out of the list or reduce it to abbreviations I can always add another alternate list, that lists ships by author. Though it might have to be broken down into mesh and texturer. Or simply list what the person is credited for beside the name. Which will result in many duplicates at least for some of the older stuff. This way someone could find all of Trashman's ships easily, or could find all of Woomeisters, or Aldo's or Nuke's or Stratcomm's or whoever's.
I wasn't aware of any new Ancient maps being publically available. I simply took from a source that I knew was available to the public. If the new ancient ships are released, I can use screenies from them instead. But if they're not released they shouldn't be on the mod page anyway according to the rules. To be honest the Ancient ships are some of the better looking ones up there (though not all of course). With the absolute worst ship I've added being the GVC Sai I'd say (15 differnet textures and some of them are stretched to hell and back). I know Blue Planet also has alternate maps for at least a few ancient ships, but in most or all cases I went with using the original form and name. I should have actually linked to BP to say there were alternate maps but it was late already.
One could add a subcategory for "mods they appear in". Though in some cases this might be spoilerific. Also for some ships the list could get pretty extensive which might distract from the ship itself. Unless it was thrown at the bottom beneath the downloads section. If you've got a wiki account you could probably edit it yourself. I'm just going to try and get all the ships in there first. You could also of course on your mod page link to these ship pages for a list of ships you've got in there.
The anyway, I'll do the shivans first. And then start to tackle the Terrans. Because there are SOOOOOOOO many terran ships. It doesn't help that half the mods out there deal with returning to earth and add a whole new fleet of terrans. (or more accurately, they add TWO new whole fleets of terrans, one solar, one GT)
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Great job, dude. I was planning to do something like this after I finished the campaign page but you did it better and more complete than I could ever have.
Great contrib'
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Great job, dude. I was planning to do something like this after I finished the campaign page but you did it better and more complete than I could ever have.
Great contrib'
Thanks. Though it's no where near "complete" nor I imagine will it ever be as stuff is continually introduced. But for one brief moment, I might be able to get it as complete as I can. Then it'll be downhill from there.
But it's just cutting and pasting for the most part. Copying stuff from tables or from modelview. The biggest pain in the butt, well, two biggest pains in the butt are counting turrets and typing out all these new weapons some mods introduced. Looking at a Destroyer with 48 turrets or whatever and counting different types of beams, turrets, AAAf and so forth is kinda painful.
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keep adding more. do terran ones next.
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keep adding more. do terran ones next.
Nope, shivans.
Terrans will take a while just to organize. But the terrans wont be too far behind.
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I like the way this is coming along, good work. I always wanted a page to see the stats and pictures of all of the new ships.
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Uh, almost every instance of "maneuverability" has been misspelled "maneuverabilty".
Should I go through and fix it all, or should this relatively-minor thing be done when lumped with something else?
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Uh, almost every instance of "maneuverability" has been misspelled "maneuverabilty".
Should I go through and fix it all, or should this relatively-minor thing be done when lumped with something else?
Well personally I'd spell it manoeuvrability to begin with but I just grabbed whatever from another page and used that as the base for everything. Either the Ezechial or that black fighter. But I can fix that for anything upcoming. And use the yankee way of mispelling, er I mean, spelling it.
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Mmm, alright.
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Mmm, alright.
I mean, if you want you can go in and do minor edits. I don't know if anyone cares. People should feel free to fix nything I've done wrong (as Snail and a few people have done already, ie with credits). But right now I'll just try to fix it for anything upcoming.
Thanks for the heads up though.
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Whoa dang Snail, good thing I looked before I started writing up some more ships. I'll download that new format and user 'er for theVeteran Comments bit.
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By the way. The original JCD Majesty and my HTL Majesty remap are kinda 2 different things. The model is different ( HTL ) and I recoloured the Orion's maps for the HTL Majesty.
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For Reference:
Original Majesty:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/kc1991/MajestyOriginal.png)
HTL Majesty (ShadowGorrath's):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/kc1991/MajestyHTL1.png)
Another HTL Majesty with its original maps:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/kc1991/MajestyHTL3.png)
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I am so turning this into a competition. Or not. Or maybe I should?
Here it is (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56243.0.html)
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keep adding more. do terran ones next.
Hey Titan, I added a couple terrans for you, and by a couple I mean around 60. So here's your damn terrans Titan: http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships#Fighter_Craft (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships#Fighter_Craft) :P
But yeah, Basically I've added every fightercraft that I'm aware of. Though I'm probably missing a great number. And I know there's at least one in 158th I didn't add because there didn't seem to be a table for it. But yeah, anyway . . . note to modellers:
Quit making so many damn terrans! Make some Shivans and Vasudans, come on! Give them some love. Shivans need death dealing ships too. Geesh. :lol:
But anyway, I also changed the format for the fighter section and made it into a table type of thing. I think it looks okay, but I'm not sure what resolution people are running, on a lower res it might be annoying but even on my res I left some space so I don't have to scroll over. Anyway let me know if that format looks cool or not. And remember I'm still probably planning to add a "ships by race" page so people can look at all the terrans together, or all teh vasudans, etcetera. Oh I just tested it on 800x640 and it looks okay. So no one living in our century should have a problem.
EDIT, I'm not sure about the credits for lots of models. If it's on the master shiplist, I got it. If there was a text file saying who did it, I got it, but I bunch I don't know. Off the top of my head:
GTF Kelpie
Everything from TVWP (listed under TF (terran fighter)).
All the INFA ships
GTF vampire
etcetera and so on
Also with regards to reskins, I'm not sure how to handle them. Should they also go on this page? With the models I haven't been picky, some of them are honestly a little on the ugly side but I'm not there to judge, I'm just putting everything up that's around. But reskins are another matter. Some of them are okay, some of them are very forgettable. What do people think? I was thinking about adding say like the NTD Liberty . . . or potentially the EAD Majesty or whatever it is? EA? I dunno whatever.
But anyway, that's enough for one weekend. Damn
EDIT - note to Snail, I did use one of your edits as the base so it should be up to par and you shouldn't have to edit. Though I noticed I did make a few mistakes in the weapons. Dunno if I caught all of them (sometime's Id miss a "[" for example.
ALSO - someone want to look at the GTF Angel page? I dunno if I did that right according to what the consensus is. http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTF_Angel (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTF_Angel)
If people are wondering, in general ships are listed alphabetically by:
Class
Faction
Name
Ship Author (if applicable)
Though with the fighters I didn't always adhere to that quite strictly, like if there's the TDr Firebee I just put it with the other TF fighters rather than at the head of the list in front of all the fighters. And for the terrans the alphabetical crap goes down one column and then starts on the other, I figured it's better than people having to move their eyes sideways diagonal down, sideways, diagonal down, etcetear. Instead just go down down down down, then right+up and down down down down down again :) Also it has the potential of requiring less editing if someone wants to maintain the alphabetical order. Though people can honestly just tack it on on the bottom, and then when there's enough crap added someone can go in and fix it if anyone cares.
Oh, one more edit.
Snail I noticed that you put like "Blue Planet Techroom Description" instead of just "Techroom". I didn't realise that initially and didn't do this for any of the ships :) But it's something that I can incorporate in future. Or maybe after I'm finished adding everything I have I can go back and fix 'em. I also did away with putting like "Inferno R1" in the red box over the weapon data since I'm not sure how many fighters are used more than once anyway. If someone else edits for example the techroom bit, it should be fairly clear where I got the ship from by whatever's listed in the download. The majority of ships only seem to be available in campaigns for the most part anyway.
But anyway, that's enough wikiing for one weekend for me. I'll do the Bombers next whenever I get time and work my way down.
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Wait, so you've done the Shivans already? (doesn't look like it).
As for reskins, the GTFf Saphah got one. I'd guess you could include the good reskins in good campaigns, but not the crummy ones.
Also, for reskins of custom ships, I'd just add a section underneath saying 'variants' or something.
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Wait, so you've done the Shivans already? (doesn't look like it).
As for reskins, the GTFf Saphah got one. I'd guess you could include the good reskins in good campaigns, but not the crummy ones.
Also, for reskins of custom ships, I'd just add a section underneath saying 'variants' or something.
I added all the Shivans fighters.
I'm just going to add the Shivans and Terrans together and format the sections as the fighters are now if no one disagrees. So the fighters are effectively done barring a slew of models I'm no doubt unaware of.
If I just add all the different Shivans I'm going to have redo some stuff later on anyway for changing it to table mode so I might as well just add them both at the same time and get it over with.
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Ah, ok.
Oh btw, the link on the big post is misspelled "GTTP". Might wanna fix.
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Ah, ok.
Oh btw, the link on the big post is misspelled "GTTP". Might wanna fix.
Done. Wierd there was a bunch of stuff in that hyperlink. Must have something to do with the wiki.
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Akalabeth Angel... I hate you... So... Much... :snipe: :mad2:
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Akalabeth Angel... I hate you... So... Much... :snipe: :mad2:
What all, exactly are you all doing in the edits? You changed the techroom thing to be "blue planet techroom desc" or whatever. And you changed the veteran comments to the bottom? And fixed a few mispellings? Is that it? I'm just asking so you don't have to fix anything in future. Communication is good.
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Well I was only joking, and I won't be doing that again anyway.
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Well I was only joking, and I won't be doing that again anyway.
Well I just fixed all the techroom things so you don't have to. There's probably some more errors elsewhere though.
Though if you could help with credits (ie INFA ships) that'd be cool.
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Okay question:
Is there a way to have like "Fighters" and a line beneath it as it is now without bringing up this big ugly "TABLE OF CONTENTS" window whenever you try to edit it? What's up with that. If you do ==Fighters== does it automatically make that table?
Nevermind, I figured it out. Yay.
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for the shivans, i know one that has a lot of new ones... no more Titan speaking.
thanks, but i want cap ships too. :P I'm still trying to find a bunch of things for something that will never get released. every two days i completely rewrite the story. :P stinking ADD and Asbergurs (sp)
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for the shivans, i know one that has a lot of new ones... no more Titan speaking.
thanks, but i want cap ships too. :P I'm still trying to find a bunch of things for something that will never get released. every two days i completely rewrite the story. :P stinking ADD and Asbergurs (sp)
Well if the mod's not released it doesn't go up on the page anyway. Sounds like INFA will come with some more vasudans and shivans, or their library pack or something. So that's good. Because the shivans in particular are looking pretty thin. But yeah I'll get to the capital ships eventually . . maybe by next weekend. Bombers are next. But I got lots of RL work to do. Speaking of which . . .
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don't worry, take your time. you deserve a break by now.
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don't worry, take your time. you deserve a break by now.
Bombers are up http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships)
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wow, i thought there were more terran bombers... i trust you got all of them.
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wow, i thought there were more terran bombers... i trust you got all of them.
Probably not.
I got everything that I'm aware of which has been released. Which is basically everything on sectorgame and freespacemods. Basically I downloaded all the campaigns off there, looked through all of the VP files and directories and whatever and made a list of new ships and then am taking from those lists and putting 'em up there. But if I miss anything let me know. (And I'm sure there are lots of things which I have missed or which people have but aren't available anymore)
The list of bombers looks about right btw, as most people do terrans and then most people do terran fighters before bombers so having about half as many bombers as fighters makes sense. The Vasudans and especially the Shivans are the ones who are really hurting for units. Though the Shivans perhaps need new units less so than most. I also didn't do all the reskins either, so the Jotun Adv no, though I should add the Amun Mark2 upgrade from PI sometime but I forgot so whatever. Reskins of existing FS1/FS2 units can be added at another time.
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yeah, reskins are great. just add a new section.
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yeah, reskins are great. just add a new section.
:doubt:
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what" i meant the good ones like the Eris, Plato and stuff.
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Sorry, I misread the post...
I really need to learn how to read sometime.
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heh, maybe i can add my perseus reskin (it just makes the perseus look SOC black. with messed up shinemaps so it looks really dirty... pretty good actually).
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:bump:
Uhm, any more work on this? I might be able to help this week, since i have absolutely NOTHING to do...
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It's done.
I miss anything? (besides credits all over the place)
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships)
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GTI Asteria added to wiki
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTI_Asteria
Can someone please spell-check and add it up to the main list of user-made ships?
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GTI Asteria added to wiki
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTI_Asteria
Can someone please spell-check and add it up to the main list of user-made ships?
I'll edit it into the main page.
While people are spell checking this entry. Can someone spell check the other 200 I added over the past two days? hahahhaa
EDIT - oh I gave the Asteria a once over. Corrected a few spelling mistakes, etcetera.
Btw. People:
The only time you use an apostrophe with "IT" is when you're contracting "IT IS". So whenever you type "it's", just say that sentence to yourself again except use "it is" and if it doesn't work, don't put it in there. You don't use an apostrophe for possessive.
Ie
"That's its ball." = correct
whereas
"That's it's ball" = INCORRECT
while
"My word, it's hot outside" = correct because you can do "My word, it is hot outside"
That's everyone's grammar lesson for today.
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The GTL Anemoi - its original name is "GTMv Krom", and it's made by Trashman.
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Can't we just use the Category:User-Made Ships for this?
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Categories aren't as convenient to browse though.
You have to go into subcategories (or have them all in one with only alphabetical sorting), instead of having it all on one page and sorted properly.
Think of it like a "List of _____" page in wikipedia - the links there are in the category, but the list provides additional sorting/arranging to make browsing easier.
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Can't we just use the Category:User-Made Ships for this?
Well if click on the that link off of any ship page it'll go there anyway. Personally I like to view things by ship type not by alphabetical prefix.