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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Akalabeth Angel on September 01, 2008, 08:03:43 pm
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Just looking at the FS2 Master ship database: http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/fsurp/database/fsships.html I'm noticing a bunch of ships which I believe were released in model dumps but don't seem to be around anymore, at least not on any of the major three sites. Does anyone know what happened to them? Or have the been adopted by other mods and thus secreted away until release? I think I may have the Lost Souls dump on my HD, but the other two are fairly old. Here for an example, is the Vasudan section of ships that are listed but don't seem to be available (unless they're in mods I'm not aware of). The Terrans and shivans are likely more numerous:
GVB Anhur
GVF Nefertem
GVI Ogduad
VEB Shai (Vasudan Empire??)
VEC Joh
VECv Geb
VED Duat
VEF Aoh
VEF Anhur MkIV
VEFx Yaaru
Now of course, most or all of these are likely low poly with little non-FSOpen textures. Some of them may even have bugs due to dated conversion processes. But even so, one would hope that the old modders work hasn't been lost to time. I believe Woomeister has at least a few of these for the INF Archives, from what I've seen in google searches. But not sure otherwise.
The list also doesnt include Lost Souls. Not sure what workable mods were included therein. And actually I'm not sure if there was an OTT dump or not, or if many ships were simply adopted by INF. The master ship list has many or all of the OTT ships as not-publicly available.
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All the VE_ ships are in the OTT model dump. Which is on FSMods.
Some of those (Geb, Duat) can be found in TM's COTS shippack as well.
I personally have NEVER seen a working download link for the Lost Souls dump in the time I've had FS2...
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All the VE_ ships are in the OTT model dump. Which is on FSMods.
Some of those (Geb, Duat) can be found in TM's COTS shippack as well.
I personally have NEVER seen a working download link for the Lost Souls dump in the time I've had FS2...
Ah, so it is. I must've missed that.
As for Lost Souls, I think he only had it up for a month according to his initial post. Not sure how many people grabbed it if any. Assuming that anyone could.
What's the COTS shippack? The abbreviation seems familiar.
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,51209.0.html
^ That
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Aldo released a few mods from Lost Souls, but there are still hundreds that he neglected to release. I'm told he deleted them. What was released is now on FreeSpaceMods, however Aldo said he has deleted all remaining things so we'll never get them, because they don't exist anymore.
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Aldo released a few mods from Lost Souls, but there are still hundreds that he neglected to release. I'm told he deleted them. What was released is now on FreeSpaceMods, however Aldo said he has deleted all remaining things so we'll never get them, because they don't exist anymore.
Are they anywhere in particular? Or are they just scattered ships, here and there in self contained archives? I didn't notice any LS dump on there.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,51209.0.html
^ That
Thanks btw. It was helpful. Some cool new reskins of old OTT ships in there I see.
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The Selkie, Hestia and Chnubis are the only ones that were in working order. There was also the NF Banshee and the Nightmare Larva on FSMods. That's all that has been released. Everything else got deleted.
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The Selkie, Hestia and Chnubis are the only ones that were in working order. There was also the NF Banshee and the Nightmare Larva on FSMods. That's all that has been released. Everything else got deleted.
Ah cool. Thanks. Too bad about the other stuff, might've been something good in there.
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Ah cool. Thanks. Too bad about the other stuff, might've been something good in there.
That's an understatement. Aldo had an entire Nightmare fleet, a whole load of GTVA capital ships and a lot of other fighters. He deleted all of them for no reason whatsoever and now we'll never get them. Sometimes I think he got possessed or something.
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And actually I'm not sure if there was an OTT dump or not, or if many ships were simply adopted by INF. The master ship list has many or all of the OTT ships as not-publicly available.
There was, when I cancelled OTT, iirc, I uploaded everything somewhere, free for people to d/l. That file probably didn't stay up for too long, but I assume some people such as woomeister or Ace had a copy back then, at least.
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Yup all of the OTT stuff has been preserved and is now on FreeSpaceMods. Minus tables. Only Woomeister has those now.
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Yup all of the OTT stuff has been preserved and is now on FreeSpaceMods. Minus tables. Only Woomeister has those now.
Why is that? The question is to be taken in a practical meaning: it is my understanding that at some point many of my ships were used in Inferno (dunno if they still are, you might have noticed I'm not around much these days :p), but inferno uses (used) different stats, weapons, and so on. Heck, take the ezechiel,its role itself was different. So why not providing the original tables as well? Sp people get to see what I intended for these ships, at the very least?
Well anyway, all that must be horribly outdated and ugly, now, anyway, who would want to use them? :p
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Woomeister is also the only person who has access to the SD Yama.
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Woomeister is also the only person who has access to the SD Yama.
Yeah, that on the other hand is normal, I gave it to him for inferno.
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however Aldo said he has deleted all remaining things so we'll never get them, because they don't exist anymore.
WHAT? :eek2:
did he give a reason???
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So why not providing the original tables as well? Sp people get to see what I intended for these ships, at the very least?
You're the one who released the OTT modeldump back not I, the tables at that time were very buggy and were known for loads of debug warnings. I think you decided it was too much hassle to clean them up when they weren't going to be used.
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They probably don't work with SCP anyway.
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What exactly ARE those INF Arcives i've heard about? I think i saw one that was a reskinned Apollo with SOC textures...
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What exactly ARE those INF Arcives i've heard about? I think i saw one that was a reskinned Apollo with SOC textures...
They're just additional mods to be used with INFSCP. It's not released yet.
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So why not providing the original tables as well? Sp people get to see what I intended for these ships, at the very least?
You're the one who released the OTT modeldump back not I, the tables at that time were very buggy and were known for loads of debug warnings. I think you decided it was too much hassle to clean them up when they weren't going to be used.
Hey I for one would be interested at having a look at the tables. I mean, transferring data from one buggy table to a good one is easy as pie. And also I just created wikipedia entries for all the vasudans (ie http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEB_Shai (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEB_Shai)), so having more information than "Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown" might make things more interesting.
Well anyway, all that must be horribly outdated and ugly, now, anyway, who would want to use them? :p
Oh you never know, someone might want to use them. Some of those vasudans for example remind me of the Kadesh a little bit from homeworld, maybe the Apocalypse project could make use of them with some reskins. Pretend their new fighters. Or maybe someone will think "hey that's cool, let's make a high poly version based on it".
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That's an understatement. Aldo had an entire Nightmare fleet, a whole load of GTVA capital ships and a lot of other fighters. He deleted all of them for no reason whatsoever and now we'll never get them. Sometimes I think he got possessed or something.
Well, he's not under any obligation to give us anything. Even so, still a bit of a waste. Would've been better to release it and have all of his hard work appreciated rather than go for nought.
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Well, he's not under any obligation to give us anything. Even so, still a bit of a waste. Would've been better to release it and have all of his hard work appreciated rather than go for nought.
Well I don't see any good reason he had to delete everything. Sometimes it seems he deliberately went out of his way to get rid of everything... It just doesn't seem logical. I for one would've at least saved it to a hard drive or backup disk or something in case I ever wanted to look at them again.
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So why not providing the original tables as well? Sp people get to see what I intended for these ships, at the very least?
You're the one who released the OTT modeldump back not I, the tables at that time were very buggy and were known for loads of debug warnings. I think you decided it was too much hassle to clean them up when they weren't going to be used.
Ah, ok, it's so long ago, I just don't remember.
Hey I for one would be interested at having a look at the tables. I mean, transferring data from one buggy table to a good one is easy as pie. And also I just created wikipedia entries for all the vasudans (ie http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEB_Shai (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEB_Shai)), so having more information than "Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown" might make things more interesting.
Oh, well, at least, I can help for that, when I remember. The shai (and aoh) for instance, had a unique gun available only to them, it fired weak small blobs of green, very fast, it looked like a green spiral, it was quite funky (but a bit heavy on the computer, back then).
If I have some free time, I can try and check if I have the tbls somewhere, I know I have an archive disk somewhere, but there's only half of the stuff on it, the rest is lost. I'm not even sure it's not just a half of an archive (rar or something), and, then if it lacks the second half, I won't be able to open it.
Also, the Ennead, originaly, is just a shuttle, not an interceptor (no weapons or anything, it was just something to protect in a mission in OTT). I'm the one who did the Mihos, too, but the pic shows an early version, it had new maps in the same style as my other vasudan ships in OTT.
The Anhur maps were never completed, too, that's why it looks so cartoonish.
Fiannly, I think the yaruu was a model by Ace, and I only mapped it.
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Well, he's not under any obligation to give us anything. Even so, still a bit of a waste. Would've been better to release it and have all of his hard work appreciated rather than go for nought.
Well I don't see any good reason he had to delete everything. Sometimes it seems he deliberately went out of his way to get rid of everything... It just doesn't seem logical. I for one would've at least saved it to a hard drive or backup disk or something in case I ever wanted to look at them again.
It seemed that he didn't like a lot of what he did (even though everyone else did).
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Actually he did that because apparently he's had enough of FS and can't be bothered to do anything else with it.
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GVB Anhur
I'm fairly certain that this is in SA.
I also know that the majority of the Ancients ships were originally released as Shivan, as I've seen screens from the time, but those textures are long lost.
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I'm fairly certain that this is in SA.
Well I have it so it's public.
I also know that the majority of the Ancients ships were originally released as Shivan, as I've seen screens from the time, but those textures are long lost.
I don't think so. Not the ones released with INFR1 anyway. The AF Kato was even reskinned after it was released to be a Shivan fighter (known as the Korath).
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GVB Anhur
I'm fairly certain that this is in SA.
I also know that the majority of the Ancients ships were originally released as Shivan, as I've seen screens from the time, but those textures are long lost.
Yeah I think it is in SA but SA's not public yet. I was just seeing what had happened to ships that had been released but somewhat forgotten. As long as someone's still got it and they're working on it that's cool.
I've just been updating the Wiki with all the ships I can find so if something's released and freespacey I'll try to get it up there eventually. I think I've got all of the Vasudans done that I can find anyway (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User-made_Ships)). People are always asking for new ships but there' s a crapload of stuff already out there that everyone may not know about so hopefully this will help to rectify some of that and also to help ensure that some things aren't lost or forgotten.
There was an Anhur Mark IV as part of the Lost Souls dump. Not sure if SA's differs from that or if there's a newer public version floating around.
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I'm fairly certain that this is in SA.
Well I have it so it's public.
FSMods? (pretty please?) or is it in INF lockdown? (in which case it wouldn't be public, now would it?)
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I'm fairly certain that this is in SA.
Well I have it so it's public.
FSMods? (pretty please?) or is it in INF lockdown? (in which case it wouldn't be public, now would it?)
I'm not sure what version Snail has, but this version is in the OTT model dump on FSMods already: http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEF_Anhur_MkIV (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/VEF_Anhur_MkIV)
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Different from the SA version it appears. Identical naming confusion.
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Different from the SA version it appears. Identical naming confusion.
In that case, Snail should cough up whatever he's got.
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Nico!!!!!! (See, he lives!)
Anyway, would you mind if I used some OTT ships as temp placeholders for MacrossII Marduk ones?
They've been sitting on my drive since release just looking pretty with no usage, at least until I got this idea...
;7
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however Aldo said he has deleted all remaining things so we'll never get them, because they don't exist anymore.
WHAT? :eek2:
did he give a reason???
He hates all his models, and probably hates himself too :rolleyes:
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Nico!!!!!! (See, he lives!)
Anyway, would you mind if I used some OTT ships as temp placeholders for MacrossII Marduk ones?
They've been sitting on my drive since release just looking pretty with no usage, at least until I got this idea...
;7
No, I don't mind, everything you (or anybody) can find that I made, can be used in whatever way you want, that was the point of me releasing it all, you know :)
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No, I don't mind, everything you (or anybody) can find that I made, can be used in whatever way you want, that was the point of me releasing it all, you know :)
So your alter ego is Venom? Doh, going to have to update some model credits :)
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No, I don't mind, everything you (or anybody) can find that I made, can be used in whatever way you want, that was the point of me releasing it all, you know :)
So your alter ego is Venom? Doh, going to have to update some model credits :)
Yes, so from times to times the people here also call me Venico :p
PS: nobody from the old OTT team or FS+ team would happen to have all the files for either project? I'd like to get a look at them again, of possible...
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Heya Nico, glad to see you'r still around ;)
As for your question, personally I don't have anything from OTT now (not even the missions I made). Bu might be a good shot asking Ice or Ace
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Heya Nico, glad to see you'r still around ;)
As for your question, personally I don't have anything from OTT now (not even the missions I made). Bu might be a good shot asking Ice or Ace
Hey Raven :) I tend to check things once a year or so :p
I already asked Ace, he doesn't have much, a couple meshes from FS+ and that's it. Don't know how to contact Icefire.
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Don't know how to contact Icefire.
What's wrong with a PM? IceFire is active around here...
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K, I thought he wasn't anymore. Bah, never mind, it's not like I'm going to do anything with it anyway.
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Since you're here, I wanted you to know your skybox and terrain were great for testing! I'm also thinking of making a test by making the ground white for Antarctic STARGATE testing (F302 vs DeathGlider battle)...
Ignore the carnage...
Nico's Skybox from F-22 test
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Star-Dragon/gw3.jpg)
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Uhhh, slight necro, but I forgot to ask at the time:
Is that skybox, you know, like available anywhere? Could it be? :P
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Well I don't see any good reason he had to delete everything. Sometimes it seems he deliberately went out of his way to get rid of everything... It just doesn't seem logical. I for one would've at least saved it to a hard drive or backup disk or something in case I ever wanted to look at them again.
I have another theory. He never made those ships he suposedly deleted. He just spread the rumor around to make it look like he made a lot more ships than he actually has.
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Driod: Yes check back next weekend... I do 99% of modding then.
ATM I got sucked back in to BOTF2 (Supremacy) modding and my mind is all wrapped up now.
Don't you have things on the back burner for that game still Trash?