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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: MC_Kejml on September 18, 2008, 02:11:35 pm
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So, my old THOMSON LYRA 2601, which I had for two long years, finally died ( RIP ), and now I'm deciding to buy a new music player.
First, I was searching for the lyra succesor, also from THOMSON, with same design, and with 2GB. I didn't succed and searching, since thomson stopped making these players. Dunno why, they seemed pretty good to me :sigh:
Secondly, I was thinking about EVOLVE DREAM 2GB, but got convinced by a friend to buy a EU3C INFINITY V500 2GB. That one literally DRAINED MY BLOOD with it's touchpad :mad:. I mean, when I put a player into my pocket, I don't want to switch 5 songs forward/back ?
Sure, you may argument with the "Block" function, but after a full minute of adjusting volume to suit my needs, do I need a "default" volume to rip my ears off and not being able to do anything with it? :o
(/angry)
So, today I've changed it for a EU3C INFINITY V100 2GB, since it had no goddamned touchpad, but simple buttons.
I'm currently uploading songs into it and frankly, I HOPE it'll do.
I may change it too, though :/
Which player would you have, if you hate touchpads and are not a rich person? Also, when you want a clear menu from which I can manage folders and choose songs?
Thx
EDIT: THe V100 is crap.
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I have a samsung yp-p2 an it's really good - no complaints
EdIT: it has a touchscreen but no problem w/ pocket+touchscreen=swearing plus you can put hold on the screen without putting a hold on the vol/pwr buttons.
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I has a Creative Zen V. Works, though the battery lasts for almost ten hours with one charge. And it seems to fail at recharging if an external HDD is plugged into the computer at the same time. But on the plus side, it sort of works as an external device and therefore no new and clumsy software needs to be installed.
And I assume that the newer Zens offer more with less money.
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I have a Nexus XP-y5 or something XM reciever that has it's memory set to hold up to 3 hours of music. :p We couldn't afford an Ipod, but we could afford 4 recievers and an account for my dad :p
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I have a Sansa SanDisk e280 8gb, and IMHO, it's excellent. Plenty of storage space for me, plays videos, pictures, useless crap. It's a good mp3 player. :nod:
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I have an 8GB Sansa Fuze, got it after my e280 v2 met my ATV's handlebars. I really like it. I just wish it had support for more than mp3/wma.
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I love my 8GB Creative Zen. Never had any problems with it. The SD Card slot on the top is excellent, I put 8GB of anime on an SD card and I can watch it anywhere. It also works as an SD Card Reader if you put it into removable disk mode, so it's completely replaced my old USB thumb drive.
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id really like an portable player that reads everything ogg etc but only really crappy ones or reallyy expensive ones exist, i had a portable dj studio player on trial for a week(pacemaker) its excellent it reads everything and is great for live mixing but at around 600€ they can keep it........
for portable music i use my eee it fits in me camo trouser pocket plays everything but then a gain using a subnotebook aint that portable lol
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If'n ye be willin' t' shill out yer dough, then I be recommendin' th' Creative Zen Vision:M, wot has th' ability t' be playin' OGG Vorbis, WMA, an' MP3, and a bucket o' chum. The winsome lass also plays a selection o' video formats wot's wider than me cargo barge. He also be runnin' a 30 gig hard sail.
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Creative ZEN V 4GB +, if only for MP3 and WMA files, for more ummmm... I dunno.
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this is what i did try out the pacemaker........www.pacemaker.net/ (http://www.pacemaker.net/);it is an amazing bit of eye candy and actually functional but as i said scary price
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iPod ftw.
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Well, about the iPod. I have no objections as to whether it is a good player, however, I had a player with the same design "EU3C INFINITY V100" and the volume correcting was just bad and hard to do :/
Also, the price is very, very high. I wouldn't be able to afford it :(
But, you were also talking about CREATIVE ZENS. Those appear pretty good at first glance, so I'll need some more hints about them. Like if the browsing is easy, if the volume can be adjusted easily, etc.
My fav are ATM:
Creative ZEN mosaic 2 gb
http://www.alza.cz/Galery/ShowImage.asp?iditem=98960&fd=f3&cd=JC001b
Creative ZEN 2 gb
http://www.alza.cz/Galery/ShowImage.asp?iditem=84196&fd=f3&cd=JC011x
and I'd include even the ZEN plus one, but that didn't reach our country yet :(
So, is there someone that can tell me about these 2 ? :)
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Creative Zen Stone 1GB. The original Stone, not the Stone Plus or the new Stone. I bought it at SGD$70, quite a steal, I thought. From the official Creative shop, too.
Neither of those Zens are available in Singapore tho, or at least, I've not seen them.
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Zen V has the ususal, Album, Artist genre browsing. No subfolder unfortunately.* The volumes a simple enough side press-switch. UIt's got a good enough equaliser too. The OLED colour screen can chew through the power if you set the contrast too high. Just counter it with screen 5-sec cut off. One thing i really do like about this player though is the way i can flip the display through 90, 180, or 270 degrees.
Also comes with full picture viewer whcih you can use to set backgrounds.
It feels better in your hand than an I-Pod too.
*Of course it shows in my computer (or equivalent) and the Creative software has a complete playlist creation suite in which you can use whole folders as well as individual songs.
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Oh yea, that thing. The Creative Media Lite. Its a helpful little fella.
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EH? Thats a ZEN V.
http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=15283
£31? bah, i paid £70 for mine just over a year and a half ago. Makes me spit. But it's abloomin bargain.
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No, I meant the program Creative has on their website for download. Its a helper programme, really .. well ... helpful.
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Lite? Thats what threw me off as i got the full prog with my player.
No worries Stormkeeper. ;)
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Thanks for help, colonol, you were talking about the player having no subfolders. Does that mean I cant do the common "MENU -> music -> choose artist -> choose album" thingy?
You probably know what I mean, it's about the navigation. I know a lot of players ( that dont have menus ), just play one of the randomly arranged 150 songs, in which I can't navigate at all unless I don't skip like 100 songs. And that's just bad :(
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A Nokia 6630 with a 1gb memory card and headphones FTW! :pimp:
Well that's my MP3 player :nervous:
.......and my portable games console, and a handy camera....
Oh and a phone! ;7 :lol:
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You can search by artist and album from the player interface when not connected in less than three thumb movements. But i'm a fan of connecting it up and editing in depth playlists
:) which you can do on the player also. Mines just too full /disorganised :)
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iPod ftw.
IPod Isn't an MP3 player... It's an AAC player... He is asking for an "MP3" Player...
I don't know much about portable equipment, But pioneer makes car audio and home stereo equipment that will play just about any format, some including OGG Vorbis, at decent prices, with excelent quality. IMO You simply cant get anything better then Pioneer for less then they charge for most of their standard equipment. However, I donnot recommend Pioneer Subs. Rockford Phosgate is probably your best bet for Subs and Amps. Thats who I get my Subs and Amps from.
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Hard choices to make these days...back when I was shopping the Zen Micro 5G was the best MP3 player around...nevermind the iPods of the time...this was it. Better sound quality, better battery life, more features, and system intergration so no need to install super annoying iTunes. These days the iPods have more glitzy features but still don't publish their SNR anywhere I can find and still don't have a built in radio and you still need iTunes which I hate and my brother hates with an iPod.
I'd get something from Creative or something like that. Creative just doesn't do the design bit very well...they have these great ideas and then they make it complicated looking. The Zen Micro was their high point there I think. Very simple and smooth.
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Don't get a $15 one?... :nervous:
Usually the quality and look of the outside tells a story, I am still interested in the Samsung K-5 one, though it would be nice if it had more memory. (I haven't got an mp3 player yet)
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I tend to buy better known brands, like Creative. At the very least, they have their own rep to live up to. Although I once bought a I-Pod look alike for SGD$30, and it was quite a good buy. Pretty good sound quality and stuff, and even had Tetris inside of it.
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I tend to buy better known brands, like Creative. At the very least, they have their own rep to live up to. Although I once bought a I-Pod look alike for SGD$30, and it was quite a good buy. Pretty good sound quality and stuff, and even had Tetris inside of it.
EU3C Player? I remember mine had those too.
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No idea what it was called. I kinda spoiled it because I had a habit of twisting the ear piece jack around.
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If anyone finds an MP3 player that can output more than 2 dBm power and a SNR of higher than 3, let me know. Otherwise, I'll listen to my AM Radio for the superior quality.
MP3 players (as well as every other portable device for that matter) have an audio quality that sounds like it was run over by a truck, even when run through a pre-amp. Yes, it is kind of an exaggeration, but I still prefer QUALITY. I'd be willing to pay a decent amount of price for an MP3 player that had a powerful DAC, with as little timing jitter/noise as possible. Unfortunately I don't think such a thing exists :(.
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If anyone finds an MP3 player that can output more than 2 dBm power and a SNR of higher than 3, let me know. Otherwise, I'll listen to my AM Radio for the superior quality.
MP3 players (as well as every other portable device for that matter) have an audio quality that sounds like it was run over by a truck, even when run through a pre-amp. Yes, it is kind of an exaggeration, but I still prefer QUALITY. I'd be willing to pay a decent amount of price for an MP3 player that had a powerful DAC, with as little timing jitter/noise as possible. Unfortunately I don't think such a thing exists :(.
You must have one heck of a AM radio to get better quality than the average MP3 player. Creative tends to have the best sound quality...or did...not sure what the latest offerings are like. But if your a super audiophile and have proper home sound equipment...no that will probably not be surpassed by the current run (or probably anything in the foreseeable future) of MP3 players no matter how good they might try to be.
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If anyone finds an MP3 player that can output more than 2 dBm power and a SNR of higher than 3, let me know. Otherwise, I'll listen to my AM Radio for the superior quality.
MP3 players (as well as every other portable device for that matter) have an audio quality that sounds like it was run over by a truck, even when run through a pre-amp. Yes, it is kind of an exaggeration, but I still prefer QUALITY. I'd be willing to pay a decent amount of price for an MP3 player that had a powerful DAC, with as little timing jitter/noise as possible. Unfortunately I don't think such a thing exists :(.
By any chance do you live next to the radio's broadcasting towers, and by any chance was your MP3 player actually run over by a truck? Otherwise, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I mean, AM radio music is absolutely terrible. You must have a pretty crappy MP3 player for AM radio to beat it.
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There is such a thing as hyperbole. Learn it, use it, love it.
Basically, I've seen most portable audio devices simply don't have the kind of hardware to produce accurate samples without lots of local interference, timing inaccuracies, and delayed channel crossover. Joint stereo is one thing, hearing a time-delayed, faint copy of the left channel on the right speaker is another... Yes, I can hear that.
Secondly, I have yet to see any portable device that can drive a set of good high impedance headphones. They simply don't have enough power. And in order to actually hear the lower frequencies (which require LOTS of power output), it would require a pre-amp... Which essentially throws portability out the window.
So, yeah. I don't much like MP3 players because of the nature of lower quality and power in portable devices. Simple as that.
Call me spoiled, I guess.
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There is such a thing as hyperbole. Learn it, use it, love it.
Basically, I've seen most portable audio devices simply don't have the kind of hardware to produce accurate samples without lots of local interference, timing inaccuracies, and delayed channel crossover. Joint stereo is one thing, hearing a time-delayed, faint copy of the left channel on the right speaker is another... Yes, I can hear that.
Secondly, I have yet to see any portable device that can drive a set of good high impedance headphones. They simply don't have enough power. And in order to actually hear the lower frequencies (which require LOTS of power output), it would require a pre-amp... Which essentially throws portability out the window.
So, yeah. I don't much like MP3 players because of the nature of lower quality and power in portable devices. Simple as that.
Call me spoiled, I guess.
Seems wierd when normal headphones in an ipod turned way up can deafen you and be heard for ages away...same goes for some of those cans, you can hear them even though they're sealed when people turn them right up.
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anything that can run rockbox
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Call me spoiled, I guess.
I'll gladly call you spoiled, because when I'm driving, I have my ****ty Creative Zen Neeon player hooked up to a freebie cassette tape deck adapter plugged into the factory stereo playing through the factory speakers of my 1997 Ford Escort.
And it sounds just fine to me. :p
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Seems wierd when normal headphones in an ipod turned way up can deafen you and be heard for ages away...same goes for some of those cans, you can hear them even though they're sealed when people turn them right up.
Those 'normal' headphones are not normal at all. They're cheap, pathetic little 4 ohm miniature pieces of garbage. They have extremely high sensitivity, so even the smallest bit of current will excite the speakers. You can put the jack against the side of your case and get an audible signal. So basically, you get a small source signal that is being used to drive a loud volume. And because the signal is so weak, it is much easier to hear local EMI and circuit line noise as compared to a strong signal. This gives you hiss, static, and underpowered bass. Not my cup of tea.
Good luck hearing anybody's headphones that have a significantly higher impedance (120 ohms, 300 ohm isn't even funny) in your own ear, let alone across the room.
EDIT: lol @ Mongoose. Like your left only channel, eh? I can't stand to live with those things. I guess it goes to show I have unreasonably high standards :D.
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An Asus EEE PC.
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To whoever was looking for a player that will handle .ogg files, you need to go to www.rockbox.org (http://www.rockbox.org) and check out what players they have supported. Nuke has already waxed eloquent on this in previous threads, but Rockbox is basically a community-created firmware replacement for a couple dozen different portable music players. It provides enhanced playback capabilities. The UI is sometimes a bit hard on the eyes, but it is lean, stripped down, and usually a good deal faster than the factory supplied firmware. And it can play pretty much any format you like.
Oh yeah, and it supports Replay Gain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain). You will NOT find any player anywhere that supports that feature out of the box.
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BTW, if you're going for a sansa e200, watch out for the V2/V1. V2 can't run rockbox yet. IIRC they're starting to get somewhat close, but V1 would still be a better choice if you can find it.
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I've had a Second Gen. iPod Nano for about a year now, and I've not had any problems.
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There is such a thing as hyperbole. Learn it, use it, love it.
Basically, I've seen most portable audio devices simply don't have the kind of hardware to produce accurate samples without lots of local interference, timing inaccuracies, and delayed channel crossover. Joint stereo is one thing, hearing a time-delayed, faint copy of the left channel on the right speaker is another... Yes, I can hear that.
Secondly, I have yet to see any portable device that can drive a set of good high impedance headphones. They simply don't have enough power. And in order to actually hear the lower frequencies (which require LOTS of power output), it would require a pre-amp... Which essentially throws portability out the window.
So, yeah. I don't much like MP3 players because of the nature of lower quality and power in portable devices. Simple as that.
Call me spoiled, I guess.
Seems wierd when normal headphones in an ipod turned way up can deafen you and be heard for ages away...same goes for some of those cans, you can hear them even though they're sealed when people turn them right up.
Yeah they are loud but they sound like ****. A proper set of headphones will sound completely different and maintain absolute clarity while they claw away at your ear drums while the standard iPod headphones will distort and drop and otherwise sound aweful. The stock headphones are never good.
I'm a bit pragmatic about the whole thing...I compete with myself on two levels...on one level I want to have an awesome sound and hear everything the way it was setup for in the studio. Then you can see if the people working on the sound were really doing some great work or not. But on the other hand I want to be able to listen on the go...so the MP3 player is a brilliant piece of technology for being able to do that. The quality is good enough from the right MP3 player and the right sort of earbuds/headphones.
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Seems wierd when normal headphones in an ipod turned way up can deafen you and be heard for ages away...
Isn't ages a unit of time, not distance? :p
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Seems wierd when normal headphones in an ipod turned way up can deafen you and be heard for ages away...
Isn't ages a unit of time, not distance? :p
Yes, and sound takes time to travel a distance. :p ;)
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i run a 5th gen ipod video (60 gig) and ive been running rockbox on it for at least a year. i just upgraded to rockbox 3.0, which came out a few days ago. i get excellent battery life and while i don't use all that many features, mainly just doom and play mp3s on it, the most awesome feature is a total lack of drm and the ability to stick tracks on it through the file system without running itunes or any other program. its pretty awesome.
i hear its possible to do a hard drive upgrade on it as well. just requires aquiring the correct drive from toshiba and swapping it out with the existing drive, then running certain partitioning utils. since its becoming full i may consider the hackish upgrade. main problem is that the tiny hard drives are really expensive. i cant afford one at this point in time.
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i run a 5th gen ipod video (60 gig) and ive been running rockbox on it for at least a year. i just upgraded to rockbox 3.0, which came out a few days ago. i get excellent battery life and while i don't use all that many features, mainly just doom and play mp3s on it, the most awesome feature is a total lack of drm and the ability to stick tracks on it through the file system without running itunes or any other program. its pretty awesome.
i hear its possible to do a hard drive upgrade on it as well. just requires aquiring the correct drive from toshiba and swapping it out with the existing drive, then running certain partitioning utils. since its becoming full i may consider the hackish upgrade. main problem is that the tiny hard drives are really expensive. i cant afford one at this point in time.
Just how big is your music collection? songs/space?
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its currently 8000 tracks at 50 gigs, but its always growing
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its currently 8000 tracks at 50 gigs, but its always growing
That sure beats my 1.8 gigs. ~135 songs or so, IIRC. How long did it take you to build up that collection, and what percentage of the songs do you actually listen to? I started on my collection in like 6th grade, and I listen to pretty much everything depending on my mood.
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**** ive been collecting mine since highschool, although alot of those tracks have been removed. probably since '97. i probably listen to about 10% of them regularly, but every once and awhile il load up something i havent played in awhile. probibly a third to a half of it is death or black metal.
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I've got a question too... which ones are good/which to avoid for under $100 and about 2-4GB? My 1G MuVo is literally falling to pieces and I'm going to be looking this BF.
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Well, I finally purchased the ZEN, and boy it's good! Thanks for recommendations :)
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Big square MP4 one? I considered it as an upgrade but my zen v and psp compliment each other to the same effect :yes: glad to hear the upgrade went well.
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Well, I finally purchased the ZEN, and boy it's good! Thanks for recommendations :)
The Zen's a good one. I was originally going to get the Zen, but they were a bit too pricey for me. :D
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Just got an Ipod shuffle as a gift, returning it tomorrow. ITunes is utterly useless. :hopping: :no:
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ITunes is utterly useless. :hopping: :no:
:yes:
Also, as far as I'm concerned with MP3 player properties, the Shuffle is also useless. Dang hard to try 'n find a particular song without a screen.
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Ya, it's very hard to find the song you want to play. I used it for about 10 minutes or so and got a headache from it. The sound quality is really bad.
However, I do like the spin dial, as compared to what the MuVo has, but other than that my 2 year-old nearly falling apart, literally, MuVo beats it hands down.
Oh ya and no folder support either :no:
Also am I the only one that thinks this auto-synching is absolutely useless? I want to put the files I want on there when I want to, without having to resort to adding it to a playlist then synching it up GRRRr :mad:
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Well I was seriously thinking of the Creative Zen, but the SD memory card issue is a pretty killer deal, makes it almost useless feature :no:
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Anything that restricts you in file transfer, i.e. ipods namely, are not worth bothering with really. There needs to be an "ipod" that allows you to transfer and use like the normal mp3 players/usb drive without the need for itunes or DRM etc / or that program.
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Anything that restricts you in file transfer, i.e. ipods namely, are not worth bothering with really. There needs to be an "ipod" that allows you to transfer and use like the normal mp3 players/usb drive without the need for itunes or DRM etc / or that program.
and those restrictions can be nuked by installing rockbox.
and you can play doom
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Hey, Nuke, how much do you know about rockbox? Can you translate the progress from the new port thread for all of the sansa V2 players into layman's terms for me? :nervous:
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Was thinking about a 16GB Zune but I have some reservations obviously.
-Lack of expansion slot (not a big deal because i have 2GB of music and really am looking for a music player not a video player)
-Lack of Storage Disk mode
-Tied to Zune software
But i do like its
-navigation
-Interface
-FM radio
-WiFi connection to Marketplace with subsciption services which i might use since its very cheap for lots of music.
-Squircle is easy to use
I bought my sister a Sansa 2GB mp3 player and the EQ is just terrible in it, so im staying away from sandisk. I also had an ipod nano 1st gen but i hated the navigation on the wheel and itunes.
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I bought my sister a Sansa 2GB mp3 player and the EQ is just terrible in it, so im staying away from sandisk. I also had an ipod nano 1st gen but i hated the navigation on the wheel and itunes.
Which Sansa? I'm looking at the Fuze.
All I know is the old Creative MuVo has better quality than the Shuffle.
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Just out of curiosity, why do none of these MP3 players throw in AM radio as well? Are the required components too big for the size they're going for?
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Hey, Nuke, how much do you know about rockbox? Can you translate the progress from the new port thread for all of the sansa V2 players into layman's terms for me? :nervous:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#New_Platforms
it doesnt appear that theyve gotten far with the v2 sanza. the last post from one of the developers for that port seems to have indicated that they are still working on a bootloader and that it is currently "not safe to run"
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Just out of curiosity, why do none of these MP3 players throw in AM radio as well? Are the required components too big for the size they're going for?
What the hell do you listen to on AM Radio? All the good channels are on FM.
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Just a little thing called "sports." :p
(Well, and news, too, but primarily sports.)
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Just a little thing called "sports." :p
(Well, and news, too, but primarily sports.)
Ah, that would explain it. The only sports I care about are Badminton and Archery, and those don't get broadcast much.
Back on Topic, my Creative Zen died the other day, finally succumbing to the many drops it went through during its lifetime. I plan on buying another one this weekend, possibly upgrading from the 8GB model to the 16GB one.