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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Retsof on September 29, 2008, 06:39:50 pm
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I am doing an assignment for school and figured A poll could come in handy. I know we have a fairly large age range here so I should get a good cross section. Vote away people.
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It might seem like a good idea from the reducing accident perspective. If you think about it though what happens to all those kids that graduate high school at 17 or when they just turn 18 (heck I met state graduation requirements when I was 16) and need to get a job? Not everyplace has public transportation so they need some way to get to work. Also a lot of high school kids have jobs and need to get to and from work. Parents aren't always available for transportation.
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First and foremost, lets vote on whether or not people over 60 need to have their license test retaken every three years or ban middle age women from using cell phones while driving. I've been nearly killed far more from these two than from teens.
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The age limit doesn't need to change. The difficulty of getting the license needs to change.
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or [a] ban middle age women [on] using cell phones while driving.
Hell, yes.
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...ban middle age women from using cell phones while driving.
That's already happened in New Mexico (well, not just middle-aged women, but everyone). Unless it's hands-free, drivers are not allowed to operate cell phones and drive at the same time.
Predictably, though, many simply disregard this rule. :doubt:
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The age limit doesn't need to change. The difficulty of getting the license needs to change.
Amen. I also recommend some sort of affordable driving education as well, as long as it's going to be so ingrained in (well US) culture
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Its not about keeping young teens off the streets, its about keeping stupid people in general off the streets
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A big NO. Many minors leave for college in distant cities; meaning that learning to drive prior to being 18 is a large advantage.
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I voted yes because 18 is the age required to have a car driving lisence in Finland.
Works fine, too. However the most accidents happen to young male drivers within a few years of getting their lisence in Finland as well. Can't really imagine how it would be if 16-year-olds were allowed to get a lisence... :nervous:
Using cell phones while driving without a hands-free device is actually illegal in Finland as well.
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If you're concerned about driving skill, age isn't too much of a factor. Just make the test harder so it's possible to fail.
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If you're concerned about driving skill, age isn't too much of a factor. Just make the test harder so it's possible to fail.
QFT
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Driving is not difficult. Driving safely can be difficult for some people, but most everyone has the skills required for it. Unsafe driving is far more often caused by other factors than lack of skills for it. So the argument is not just about how skilled drivers are, but how safely they drive. This also means that testing the skills would not be enough, but some kind of psychological profiling bull**** would need to be done and those are not ultimately reliable (or affordable) means of testing for driving lisence.
Whether or not 16-year-olds have tendency to generally drive more dangerously than 18-year-olds, I have no research data, but I would guess that by average psychological profiling, a 16-year-old would be more likely to make fast and bad decisions and be more easily affected by peer pressure to drive fast and cool and ultimately unsafely.
I'm not saying that 18-year-olds would not be susceptible to same faults, but I am saying that they have two less years to die in a self-induced traffic accident before hopefully growing up and learning to drive safely.
Of course, the counter argument is that when driving becomes a normal thing that you don't need to wait till your 18th birthday, driving dangerously would "lose it's appeal", but I don't really buy it - it just moves the wait to 16th birthday, and then the 16-year-olds will be satiating their need for speed instead of 18-year-olds. And whether or not the "need for speed" reduces faster for 16-year-old new drivers or 18-year-old drivers, I would guess 18-year-old-drivers - and there would probably be less of 18-year-olds who do have this "need for speed", for lack of better wording.
Obviously some drivers never grow up. Conversely some never develope any need for speed... I was 19 when I drove my lisence, I took my time in clocking driving hours with our car when it was necessary to get from place A to place B (my mum got a teaching lisence so paying for driving lessons wasn't an issue). It was never a big deal anyway, and I don't even especially like driving, it's mostly boring, and when it isn't boring it's very very stressful.
Interestingly, most drivers rate themselves "better than average"... just an interesting statistical anomaly. :drevil:
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Its not about keeping young teens off the streets, its about keeping stupid people in general off the streets
QFT
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First and foremost, lets vote on whether or not people over 60 need to have their license test retaken every three years
I encountered an old man just today who entered a highway ramp from the wrong side and presumably came up against fast incoming traffic. No idea what happened to him. I was a little lucky to miss him on the (single lane) exit myself, as it was only 15 seconds or so after I had come out. :p
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last time i looked at the stats , young people seem to have more spectcular high speed accidents, but old people cause more accidents and greater financial and physical damage.... and how many 18 year olds "took the wrong turn and are found doing 20mph going the wrong way down the motorway against the flow of traffic...
here in france 14 year olds take a test so that they can ride small cylinder motocycles scoooters etc , this gives them training and road scence for when they are old enough to drive a car, and te mad ones tend to end up breaking legs or killing them selves before they get to the car stage. this i see as some form of natural selection
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This is probably one of the few circumstances where raising the restrictions won't lead to too much of people just doing it illegally.
At my high school, all of the seniors and most of the juniors drove to school. It made the traffic situation horrible. Some of them justified it by saying they didn't have to get up as early, but the thing is if buses show up late the people who rode them get a pass, driving to school you don't.
So yeah, <18 you don't need to drive.
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Here you must be at least 18 to drive(a few decades ago it was 21, if I remember well). I got the driving license a bit neglected, I'm almost 19 and got it only a couple of weeks ago(9/11, what a nice date :doubt:).
All I can say is that it's insane to let <18 people drive and have cars.
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Hey cool I'm older than Mobius.
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Most team member are older than me, what's the point? :nod:
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As someone who got his drivers license 2 months ago (I've been driving a lot since) I can tell you one thing for certain - it horrifies me how many people simply disregard everything they learned in driving school.
Honestly, what I would do is put up much harsher penalties. I don't care if the driver has 18 or 30 or 80 years - follow the damn BASIC safety rules.
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As someone who got his drivers license 2 months ago (I've been driving a lot since) I can tell you one thing for certain - it horrifies me how many people simply disregard everything they learned in driving school.
Honestly, what I would do is put up much harsher penalties. I don't care if the driver has 18 or 30 or 80 years - follow the damn BASIC safety rules.
Like, wearing seatbelts?
We solved that problem nicely in Holland. Not wearing seatbelts is illegal and gives you a heavy fine, and they showed us nice commercials with Crash Test dummies flying trough the windscreen.
I think the heavy fines worked better then the Crash Test Dummy commercial. People care more for money than the lives of themselves and children these days. They think that they are so good that they will not crash anyway (The reason why some people think it should be raised to 18 is because younger people seem to suffer from this problem more often).
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So far as I know the age is 18 in the majority of the US, but you can get a learner's two years earlier. That requires you to have a licensed driver with you when you are driving.
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My answer would be depending on the place - if there is low traffic and relative low speed like in the countryside, or more general, a low population/traffic density then 16 is ok.
With high population/traffic density like in Europe 18 is the better choice I think.
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Like, wearing seatbelts?
That too, but more like:
- not keeping enough distance between yourself and the car in front
- overtaking in dangerous areas (like trying to overtake a bus in a sharp turn!!!)
- not giving signals on time
- not paying attention to the signs and arrows on the road (wrong way you moron!)
- not respecting the traffic lights
etc...
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In Singapore you have to be 21 to be able to drive. It used to be 18. There used to be a lot of new drivers getting themselves into accidents too.
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In Miami, nearly all drivers are really ****ty. Driving their fancy BMWs, Mecedes, Ferraris, Porches, Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Corvettes, and anything else you can think of, but none of them EVER heard of a blinker. IF the blinker goes on at all, it's 2 seconds after they make the turn.
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Like, wearing seatbelts?
That too, but more like:
- not keeping enough distance between yourself and the car in front
- overtaking in dangerous areas (like trying to overtake a bus in a sharp turn!!!)
- not giving signals on time
- not paying attention to the signs and arrows on the road (wrong way you moron!)
- not respecting the traffic lights
etc...
I'd like to add a few:
-not paying attention (or paying attention to wrong things) -> failure to drive proactively -> reduced reaction time and increased risk of accident.
-making it impossible for others to drive proactively by not giving signals and not driving by the rules -> reduced reaction time for other drivers as well as yourself.
-disregard for others' safety (you might not be the only one involved in a fatal accident) -> you might not feel so good after the fivefold manslaugher because the family in the car you knocked under an 18-wheeler wasn't as lucky as you.
-driving when intoxicated -> reduces your ability to pay attention, reduces your reaction time and motoric abilities, and in general fraks your driving skill up even though you might not realize it.
-driving when tired -> about as dangerous as driving intoxicated. Staying awake for 24 hours equals apprioximately the effects of one promille alcohol in bloodstream, though the effects in different people vary about as much as the effects of alcohol.
-road conditions changing rapidly - black ice is something you can't really do anything against. When you hit it suddenly you can just hope for the best, sometimes stuff like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konginkangas_bus_disaster) happens. Other hazards are more manageable, like driving slower when the visibility or traction are reduced by rain or snow.
I think these are probably the most important factors leading to serious accidents, not necessarily in that order but anyways. Most accidents related to car handling skills happen in parking lots, reversing to someone's side mirrors or knocking a towing hook through someone's front bumper. The fatal handling skill related accidents are usually contributed to by some of the above or are self-induced - driving too fast into a corner to be physically able to pull through it, or overcorrecting a drift caused by oversteering.
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In Miami, nearly all drivers are really ****ty. Driving their fancy BMWs, Mecedes, Ferraris, Porches, Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Corvettes, and anything else you can think of, but none of them EVER heard of a blinker. IF the blinker goes on at all, it's 2 seconds after they make the turn.
Ferrari doesn't have a plural form. It's already plural.
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I myself got in an accident because I was paying attention to shifting instead of driving (it was my first drive in a manual). Knowing how to drive whatever it is you're going to drive is probably the biggest concern as far as age, but if you bump up the minimum age, 21 year olds become the inexperienced ones.
Therefore I say better driving education would solve most problems, bumping up the age would not.
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But you can deny that 16 years old people aren't as mature as 18 years old ones. I was completely different when I was 16. I changed a lot in the past 2 years and the same thing happened to my mates as well. I wasn't mature enough to drive a car back then(I'm not incredibly mature now, either).
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I do agree with you, however, I think that your driving ability should be based off of your driving ability, and not your age.
If you're 16, and you suck at driving, you should fail just as badly as a 43 year old who sucks at driving.
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So far as I know the age is 18 in the majority of the US, but you can get a learner's two years earlier. That requires you to have a licensed driver with you when you are driving.
That's not the way it works in this state (Pennsylvania), at least. You can get your learner's permit at age 16 after passing a written exam. This allows you to drive with another adult (over 21, I think) in the passenger's seat; the adult has to be a parent after something like 11PM. After six months, during which you're supposed to have completed 50 hours of supervised driving (though really, you can just get your parent to sign off on it), you can go in to take your skills test, which largely consists of driving in a circle on the roads around the DMV office and parallel parking. If you pass that, you get your junior's license, which I believe is only restricted in that you can't drive after 11PM and face stiffer penalties for infractions. After a year, you can apply for a regular senior license; you're also automatically eligible for a senior license when you turn 18.
I know that most states allow you to get a permit at 16, with varying levels of waiting time before you can get a full-fledged license; there are a few states that allow you to get a permit at 15, though. I think just about everyone restricts a full-fledged senior license to the age of 18. As someone who didn't get his license until he was almost 19, I've always supported raising the driving age somewhat. Allowing teens to get a permit at 17 rather than 16 would be a big help in and of itself, as would a more stringent testing regimen.
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I do agree with you, however, I think that your driving ability should be based off of your driving ability, and not your age.
If you're 16, and you suck at driving, you should fail just as badly as a 43 year old who sucks at driving.
I don't get your point. It's not a matter of driving abilities because even females can drive cars... :nervous:
The problem is keeping as far as possible immature people from cars. At the age of 16 a teenager isn't mature enough to have the responsability of driving and managing a car. A teenager may be good at driving but he may be good at doing stupid things as well. Races, idiotic behaviors, etc. etc.
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@Mongoose: Not quite. My state (New Mexico) has everything a year lower, with a learner's permit at 15, 50 driving hours (10 of which must be at night), with someone who has had a liscense for at least 3 years accompanying you, provisional liscense at 16 (can't drive after midnight, only allowed one non-family member in the car with you), and full liscense at 17. The test is harder though... mine had some driving in circles, but also some backwards zigzagging (exactly why they thought this would be helpful is beyond me, but I was driving a PT cruiser for the exam... which has terrible rearview, which made this quite challenging... also this part was obviously not done on an actual street), parallel parking, etc. We were also required to have 3 hours of driving with an instructor, which included parallel parking instruction and highway driving, before getting a provisional liscense.
So I've been driving since the age of 15... and I can tell you one thing: it scared me to death when I first started. I still don't understand how anyone could think they were invincible in such a machine. I'm still pretty cautious, though not as much as I used to be.
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I've been driving motor vehicles since I was 5-6, and I am a great driver. I don't think that everything should be set in stone, I think that it should be based on the scores you get on your exam.
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It's not a matter of driving abilities because even females can drive cars...
A woman behind the wheel? (http://kuvaton.com/b****/nainen_ratissa_osa_105.jpg)
(I didn't say it.)
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Come on, Lobo...you know what I was refering to... :rolleyes:
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i'd have to agree with trashman. 18+ only for driving licenses.
i for example dont feel quite ready to go learn driving and i'm 19 in 2 months... yet my dear 20 years old cousin still plays it "smart" and drives a ****ing 220 horsepower car around without a license.
by law, you're forbidden to drive a car over 100 horsepower till you hit 21 or 22 and at least 2 years of driving experience...
yet most of the ****ers simply ignore that little fact and drive around in ****ing bombs on wheels... gah i so hate them. however, not more than anyone driving a SUV. (mostly since those who drive it here think its an offroads car and drive it like one. through centre of the ****ing town...
i'll probably go for the motorcycle driving license since i can handle those ****ers pretty well (as well as anything that goes on two weels....)
will either get a scooter or scrounge up money for a random chopper... will be a few years tho before either :p
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The problem with cars with a lot of horespower is that you have no place to unleash it properly. And it begs to be unleashed. And being young and stupid, people do that and than end up running into kids at 120+ Kph. Needless to say it doesn't end happily for the kinds, while the spoiled brats with a pricey car get a slap on the wrist thanks to their rich dads.
****ers like that deserve to fry.
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also, to anyone who thinks this doesnt happen, welcome to croatia.
also, trashman, only 120? i've seen a ****er pull a 200+ near my house.
and i often see them doing the same **** in the center of zagreb (zeleni val itd... 200 na sat. jupiii...)
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When I first saw Top Gear I was totally confused because all of the cars they had went over 200 :eek2:
Then I realized they were using kilometers, and felt like an idiot.
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In the UK you can apply for your learners licence at 17 and if you're pass at 17. In my eyes, any one who is in the terms of UK law a child should not be allowed access to the driving seat of a car. A car is a dangerous weapon if mishandled and I very much doubt a lot of school kids could handle a motorcar. Especially when my sister's friend at 17 has access to a 3.0 Focus ST and cannot see out of the back window.
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In the UK you can apply for your learners licence at 17 and if you're pass at 17. In my eyes, any one who is in the terms of UK law a child should not be allowed access to the driving seat of a car. A car is a dangerous weapon if mishandled and I very much doubt a lot of school kids could handle a motorcar. Especially when my sister's friend at 17 has access to a 3.0 Focus ST and cannot see out of the back window.
Anything is dangerous if mishandled.
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Maturity doesn't necessarily come with age, and I think maturity has a lot to do with being a safe driver.
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Maturity doesn't necessarily come with age, and I think maturity has a lot to do with being a safe driver.
Yeah. Not necessarily, but on average that tends to be the case. Legislators don't really have the option to rule the many by the exceptions, sadly.
In this case, it's really difficult to discern who is really mature enough to handle the responsibilities that come with privileges. So the legislators draw a line at some age, thinking - perhaps wishfully - that a certain percentage of people above that age is mature enough assuming they can pass the driving test.
Obviously, in different countries the line is drawn on different ages so it isn't like the matter is cut on stone. I personally tend to agree with the legislation in my country - people tend to be more mature at 18 than at 16. There are always a certain amount of immature asses at every agegroup, but most likely the number of them doesn't increase when comparing 16-year-olds and 18-year-olds. It's all about probabilities.
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The one thing that you can go by to at least guide decisions like this is statistics. It's a known fact that 16-year-old drivers are significantly more likely to get into an accident (and even worse, to get into a fatal accident) than their 18-year-old compatriots. You might be able to chalk up a bit of that to the fact that many 18-year-olds have more driving experience under their belts, but those two years of maturing and going through the latter stages of puberty definitely contributes a lot to making sounder decisions as a whole.
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The one thing that you can go by to at least guide decisions like this is statistics. It's a known fact that 16-year-old drivers are significantly more likely to get into an accident (and even worse, to get into a fatal accident) than their 18-year-old compatriots.
I'm betting that they're close to even if you add the 16-year-old death-toll to the 18-year-old list.
By the way, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies[,] and statistics."
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And 79% of statistics are made up.
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I'd rather not have my mom drive me to college, thank you. I'll get the license this year rather than having the government take that opportunity away from me at the last minute...
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I'd rather not have my mom drive me to college, thank you.
That's easily fixed:
- Get decent public transport system
- Use public transport
The first step tends to get skipped a lot unfortunately.
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So far that system has worked for me, but Denver has an excellent public transport system for its size. If you're in some place without one, that seriously sucks.
On the other hand, people at large seem to have a phobia of busses / trains, which I really don't understand. If you're female sure, but unless you carry around your 2 grand laptop openly you're usually safe as a guy.
Hell, my 15 year old little cousin rides BART, and she's 5'5" at most. (to be fair though, I really hope she's carrying pepper spray, or maybe a switchblade)
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At least in the US, public transportation is all well and good in cities, but those of us in the 'burbs or further out are kind of tied to our cars. The regional rail service around here is really just intended for getting into the city, and bus transportation is scarce at best. When you're at least a mile or two from the closest supermarket/your school/your church/anywhere else you want to go, a car is pretty much the only option.
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also, to anyone who thinks this doesnt happen, welcome to croatia.
also, trashman, only 120? i've seen a ****er pull a 200+ near my house.
and i often see them doing the same **** in the center of zagreb (zeleni val itd... 200 na sat. jupiii...)
Eh... I've seen guys on a bike overtaking TWO buses in a sharp turn (at full speed), next to a cliff, so you can't see jack s*** even without the buses blocking your view. I've seen a guy driving the wrong way in a one-way street. Nothing surprises me anymore. The level of driving stupidity in humans is infinite.
(Zeleni val? I ja malo nagazin kad je zeleni val da uvatin drugi semafor, al 200 na sat???? Ajme Debila...)
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also, to anyone who thinks this doesnt happen, welcome to croatia.
also, trashman, only 120? i've seen a ****er pull a 200+ near my house.
and i often see them doing the same **** in the center of zagreb (zeleni val itd... 200 na sat. jupiii...)
Eh... I've seen guys on a bike overtaking TWO buses in a sharp turn (at full speed), next to a cliff, so you can't see jack s*** even without the buses blocking your view. I've seen a guy driving the wrong way in a one-way street. Nothing surprises me anymore. The level of driving stupidity in humans is infinite.
the bike guy would some times be me :p (i mean as in bicycle, not motorbike)
i usually drive with my bike around when i know that traffic is gonna be congested and i really dont have the time to wait in the traffic jams...
(Zeleni val? I ja malo nagazin kad je zeleni val da uvatin drugi semafor, al 200 na sat???? Ajme Debila...)
(ha čuj, dobrodošo u zagreb, to je sve kaj mogu reć. najgori su konjine sa BMW-ovim SUV-ovima, takvi su me već desetak puta skoro zgazili. dok je njima bilo crveni a meni ko pješaku zeleno. takve sve treba streljat....)
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I voted "yes" on a simple principle generalisation.
Locally, more serious accidents happen on the roads due to A) young people driving erratically or B) old people driving erratically, than any other instance. All too often local papers run stories on young Shaun who was 17, loved football and crashed his parents Golf whilst doing 90mph, killing himself and his 3 male passengers (ages 15 to 19). Go figure.
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You know what's awesome? I can't vote, I'm a taxpayer, and I have no rights garunteed to me by the Constitution.
*Instead of spitting on the Constitution, spits on all of the idiots who prevent minors from being taken seriously.
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treba streljat...
You have to be 21 for that, don't you? Or is it just the US that requires that age to get a license for it?
//Non Slavic people, BEWARE!
20 years old cousin still plays it "smart" and drives a ****ing 220 horsepower car around without a license.
by law, you're forbidden to drive a car over 100 horsepower till you hit 21 or 22 and at least 2 years of driving experience...
Guess that law works just like the gun ban in Chicago...
And I bought my first car at the age 19, it has 235'ish HP, and here I am, 3 years later, in 1 piece, with no commited* accidents.
It all comes down to high gas prices and low gas mileage being a pain when racing too often responsibility, I never screw around at full throttle unless I'm on an empty parking lot. And I only screw around for burnouts and doughnuts 'educational purposes' such as turning while braking on snow, or regaining control of my car when going sideways on an icy surface.
Especially when my sister's friend at 17 has access to a 3.0 Focus ST and cannot see out of the back window.
Blame the legal guardians, not the system. There's a lot of 17 year olds who dream of a 1.6 liter Focus, and who can use it safely.
Again- it all comes down to who's responsible, and who ain't.
I am all for 16 as minimum age, even if it's with a parent/guardian who has min. 21 years and a license min. 3 years. If you teach the kids how to drive safely early on, they'll be less of a threat when they grow up move on to whatever powerfull or heavy and full of torque monster they can afford (and the Rice Rockets used in street races aren't owned by 16 year olds, more like 26, who need to learn some things the hard way).
*-I was, however a victim of an accident, while standing in place waiting for a green light.
I was rear ended by a 7.5 ton Mercedes, who couldn't stop at the red light due to ice on the road. No one, except my rear bumper, taillight, and the guy's front bumper and right headlight were hurt when he pushed me through the intersection at some 25 MPH.
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You know what's awesome? I can't vote, I'm a taxpayer, and I have no rights garunteed to me by the Constitution.
*Instead of spitting on the Constitution, spits on all of the idiots who prevent minors from being taken seriously.
Yes sizzler, but the problem is most of us are stupid. It may sound stereotypical but it's the truth. :blah:
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You know what's awesome? I can't vote, I'm a taxpayer, and I have no rights garunteed to me by the Constitution.
*Instead of spitting on the Constitution, spits on all of the idiots who prevent minors from being taken seriously.
Yes sizzler, but the problem is most of us are stupid. It may sound stereotypical but it's the truth. :blah:
I wouldn't even say most, but the most that I can logically say is that at least enough people are idiots to prevent the people who deserve the rights from having them.
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No, since more drivers in their 20's seem to drive radically since they can afford "proper" cars. The mental maturity of the drivers isn't usually defined by age...
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/me has voted and skips three pages of posts.
The driving age should be increased to 18. Have you read about the sixteen-year-old who lost control of his car on a wet road and crashed into a tree in Singapore?
The thing is that while most people can follow the lines on highways, some people cannot. Half a year ago, while I was sitting on a shuttle bus to my polytechnic, I saw a driver weaving across four lanes, as if he was doing a scene for some film.
And consider this: younger people are more daring and impulsive. They may break the Highway Code just to impress their friends or win a bet.
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Out of curiosity, how long do you people have a DL?
4 years for me.
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Not yet. In the process of getting one tho.
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/me has voted and skips three pages of posts.
The driving age should be increased to 18. Have you read about the sixteen-year-old who lost control of his car on a wet road and crashed into a tree in Singapore?
The thing is that while most people can follow the lines on highways, some people cannot. Half a year ago, while I was sitting on a shuttle bus to my polytechnic, I saw a driver weaving across four lanes, as if he was doing a scene for some film.
And consider this: younger people are more daring and impulsive. They may break the Highway Code just to impress their friends or win a bet.
Both stupidity and fate know no age, let alone the difference between two years of age.
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*snip*
It was 18, then they just changed it to 21. You have to be 21 to drive. I can go learn now. :drevil:
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Then they'll find out that unexperienced 21 y/o's make tons of accidents, raise the minimum to 25, and require some guardian with a DL for at least 10 years, for the first 5 years someone has their license.
Hell, one day they'll just figure out that non-gov officials don't need to drive at all, and ban cars altogether. The accident death rate would drop to a dozen per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver%27s_license_in_the_United_States#Licensing_Laws_by_State -a few states give a learner's permit at 14 (!)
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*snip*
It was 18, then they just changed it to 21. You have to be 21 to drive. I can go learn now. :drevil:
21? I take it that your country has absolutly no rural or suburban population whatsoever, right? I lol at all the people who excpect these laws to work in the US midwest/southwest.
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My rant
Um, older drivers need to execise judgment while driving, it becomes so routine..
But, then you think you know what the guy, or girl driving in front of you is about to do.. Thats when it happens, they suddenly brake and make a turn, and no turn signal. :wtf: Or, your comming up on an intersection, and a car is stopped at the intersection, and as you approach they suddenly dart out in front of you, I have had both types of drivers. Yes its not just the younger drivers.
All drivers should follow the rules of the road, reguardless of age.
Edit I voted yes in the poll. I have been driving 33 years.
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Sigh...
Why does it always work out that the responsible members of society are the ones punished for the opposite people's deeds?
:blah:
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Because, being the responsible people, they accept the responsibility?
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21? I take it that your country has absolutly no rural or suburban population whatsoever, right? I lol at all the people who excpect these laws to work in the US midwest/southwest.
Its Singapore, sizzler. I could walk the length of it in a day or two.
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Its Singapore, sizzler. I could walk the length of it in a day or two.
Not literally, of course, but yeah, I agree. ;)
Sizzler, you have no idea how slow the roads are in Singapore. According to Simon Cowell, it takes an hour to travel a mile in London, but in Singapore, the speed limit never exceeds 90 km/h. Anything above that, and the government will come after you. Also note that cars are bing sold here for far higher prices than in America, because we are such a small country.
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So yeah, I'm right. You have no idea how impracticle that law would be for the US midwest and southwest. In Singapore, chances are you can ride a bike to wherever you want to go. In Michigan, half the places are too far away to do that, and half the time it's too cold to do that. But who cares if my older brother has to get a ride from his mother every day for his commute to college and work? My mother only has a high school junior and a 4th grader to worry about. She's fine doing the 60 mile commute.
Because, being the responsible people, they accept the responsibility?
:rolleyes:
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Out of curiosity, how long do you people have a DL?
4 years for me.
I have it since 09/11/2008. Not even a month ago...and I voted yes.
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Play nice now. . .