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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: DeepSpace9er on October 02, 2008, 09:05:54 pm
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Looking forward to seeing this tomorrow. How many of you are going to see it?
http://www.religulousmovie.net/ (http://www.religulousmovie.net/)
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Me. And all of my friends, except for that one Christian guy. The one who is forbidden from reading Harry Potter and other witchcraft-related items.
Seriously, this is gonna be a good movie. Everyone should watch it.
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I want to, but I have to do stuff.
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Im sure my wacko religious parents will probably be outside the theater protesting it or something.
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LOL...another move trying to score points on some contravers or making fun of a large group. Nothing new under the Sun.
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If it's as bad as "Spartans" and "<insert noun> movie" then i probably won't. Life of brians all i need.
/me sits back to oversee a hopefully flame free religous thread.
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too bad
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flame free [/color]
:nod:
So has anyone seen it yet by whatever means it is you use?
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If it's as bad as "Spartans" and "<insert noun> movie" then i probably won't. Life of brians all i need.
/me sits back to oversee a hopefully flame free religous thread.
Those movies sucked. And yet my friend kept dragging people to them. (he also dragged people to one missed call, thankfully I didn't go)
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I wish i knew what one missed call was. The name doesn't ring a bell.
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Meh. If the trailer is any indication, he's just using the same old religion lampooning that we've been hearing for decades. If it were something new and funny, maybe.
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So is this thread done then?
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To randomly quote that movie nobody seems to have liked:
All will be well. And you will know the name of God; the one true God: Behemecoatyl.
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I'm a big fan of Bill Maher, but his views on religion are somewhat lacking in nuance. I hesitate to spend theater ticket money on this.
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Granted, the previews don't really show it, but if you've seen his talk show on HBO, "Real Time With Bill Maher", he does tend to move more towards the vulgar side of things, but underneath it he usually has some good points. The hitch is that he usually sticks to political topics, so I can't really say how much of this movie is going to have in a "deeper meaning."
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From what Ive heard, all he does is just ask questions about religion but I havent seen the movie yet and Im pretty sure I will become a marked man here in rural Tennessee if I go and see it.
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Meh, if Bill Maher wasn't just a stand-up version of Kazan, maybe.
To randomly quote that movie nobody seems to have liked:
All will be well. And you will know the name of God; the one true God: Behemecoatyl.
:lol: I just watched that the other day too.
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Looking forward to seeing this tomorrow. How many of you are going to see it?
http://www.religulousmovie.net/ (http://www.religulousmovie.net/)
last I recall weren't you a fundie?
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He can't be that much of a fundie... he accepts the universe is older than dirt.
Ah screw it. The world is 4.5 billion years old, and has survived much worse than we could ever have thrown at it in the last 200 years. Its pretty vain to think that we are going to destroy the planet and wipe out so much when the natural cycle of the world has killed off most of the species who have ever inhabited it here. Let things happen as they would and ADAPT. Thats what life on here is best at.
He disapproves of:
Im just.. wow. He must be one of those 'if its not in the Bible, it isnt science!' types. Religion, especially christianity, tries to explain for them what science cant. Once it can, they cant let go of their fairy tale dreamworld views. Science is blasphemy.
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I could have sworn I fought against him in one of the many evolution debates, but I could be mistaken.
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You don't keep a record of the fundies? I thought everyone did...
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I don't even remember the names of the people I have arguments with :nervous:
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I don't even remember the names of the people I have arguments with :nervous:
*cough*oldfart*cough* :D
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:p
Get orf my lawn! :lol:
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:p
Get orf my lawn! :lol:
That's not your lawn, it's mine. You old coot! :ick:
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Heh, actually, it's quite nice, everyone thinks I never hold a grudge, when the truth is, that I don't remember having an argument with them in the first place ;)
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Get orf my lawn! :lol:
I was unable to come up with an adequate joke involving the GTC Orff.
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Actually yeah i used to be a religious believer. Until I realized how bogus it sounded, was, is. Alot more happened in my life at that time, as well, but looking back I realized the only reason i believed any of it was because i was conditioned my whole life to believe it as 'reality.' Makes me pity all children in religious households being fed this ****.
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Get orf my lawn! :lol:
I was unable to come up with an adequate joke involving the GTC Orff.
I thought that was a good one.
Right in line with;
WHEN I WAS TWELVE, I GOT RAPED BY A BEEEEEEAR
WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH, LIVIN ON A PRAYER!
JUST LAST MONTH, I RAPED MY AU-PAIR
WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH, LIVIN ON A PRAYER!
SHE TURNED AWAY, AND SAID IT'S NOT FAAAAAAIR
WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH, LIVIN ON A PRAYER!
CAN'T THINK OF A WORD, THAT RHYMES WITH PRAYER
WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH, LIVIN ON A PRAYER!
Te, na.
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Actually yeah i used to be a religious believer. Until I realized how bogus it sounded, was, is. Alot more happened in my life at that time, as well, but looking back I realized the only reason i believed any of it was because i was conditioned my whole life to believe it as 'reality.' Makes me pity all children in religious households being fed this ****.
about when did you come to this realization?
not asking for details, just curious about the timeline.
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Actually yeah i used to be a religious believer. Until I realized how bogus it sounded, was, is. Alot more happened in my life at that time, as well, but looking back I realized the only reason i believed any of it was because i was conditioned my whole life to believe it as 'reality.' Makes me pity all children in religious households being fed this ****.
about when did you come to this realization?
not asking for details, just curious about the timeline.
About 10-12 months ago.
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Actually yeah i used to be a religious believer. Until I realized how bogus it sounded, was, is. Alot more happened in my life at that time, as well, but looking back I realized the only reason i believed any of it was because i was conditioned my whole life to believe it as 'reality.' Makes me pity all children in religious households being fed this ****.
Yeah, I've got a friend like you, only he genuinely believes it. He isn't allowed to read Harry Potter because it's Pagan.
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Actually yeah i used to be a religious believer. Until I realized how bogus it sounded, was, is. Alot more happened in my life at that time, as well, but looking back I realized the only reason i believed any of it was because i was conditioned my whole life to believe it as 'reality.' Makes me pity all children in religious households being fed this ****.
Interesting isn't it.
You've "seen the light" and now lead a better life.
Strange how when people "see the light" for the other side they are whackjobs, while you are a "smart man who seen trough the lies".
brainwashing... :lol: It works both ways you know. :lol:
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well, welcome to the fold, have you gotten your complementary atheist microwave yet? they useualy ship those out on the 9th month, but with the way the economy is I wouldn't be supprized if they start skimping on the perks.
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I always tend to find people improve when they decide to be good people because that is who they are rather than because a book tells them to be.
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I'm a Catholic and I've been brought up not really thinking or worrying about heaven and such.
Catholicism is as much about intentions as actions. Just the good actions aren't enough, and in fact it's severely frowned upon to just "be good because you're told to be good". You owe everything (your existance and free will) to God, so if you're just acting good you aren't getting any where. Going to heaven for just being good all the time would be like being rewarded for doing something you're supposed to do anyway.
I agree 100% with Flipside. Perhaps he wasn't referring to the religious realizing they should have other reasons for being good; but he's still right.
The Vatican isn't as out of touch with reality or the modern world as much as people think.
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Well, I'm pretty spiritual in nature, so I suppose I can't say that I'm an atheist as such, so it doesn't really matter to me what religion someone is as long as they are good people.
Kind of reminds me of something my Grandad used to say, which was 'The country of asshole has no borders'. In that case, he was referring to race, but I think the same fundamental mentality can be applied regardless, it's not about where you come from, it's about where you are going.
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My belief (the Catholic belief) is that "truth" is like a dartboard. It's not right or wrong, it's just the degree to which you are right. Because (in the Catholic view) God is the absolute truth, any search for truth becomes a search for God.
It might seem to be arrogant to think that I'm in the center of the "dart board", but if I didn't I'd just be wasting my time. If someone else thinks they're correct in another view, I'm not opposed to it. I look forward to (if I end up in heaven) hanging out with Buddhists, Muslims, and Jews.
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I always tend to find people improve when they decide to be good people because that is who they are rather than because a book tells them to be.
I like to think it's just the right thing to do.
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I like to think there's an objective moral standard, because otherwise everything is "good"
On the other hand, I can't believe in a god / God, it's just to hard to convince myself a being that can't be proven either way exists. It's like trying to convince myself elves exist.
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We tend to define Good and Evil from the point of view of the community, and the species. Things that increase the size of the species or help to prevent the destruction of memes are considered 'good', things that erode the community or destroy social memes are 'bad', I think that's hard-wired into us at a pretty low level.
I think phsychopaths are people who have got that wiring mixed or broken, we are, by nature a group animal, and our mentality has developed around making that work.
For example, groups rely heavily on trust, so people who steal are considered 'bad', however, stealing from another group was considered good, because you are advancing the purposes of your own group. Nowadays we are capable of actually cogitating on the concepts of theft and property, but applying those group memes to a larger 'supergroup' is a rocky process, we fully accept that members of the group should not have their resources and land abused, but we often struggle to apply that same mentality to other groups, because now we are actually going against several million years of meme.
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I like to think there's an objective moral standard, because otherwise everything is "good"
You might be referring to what's called Natural Law. It's the idea that there are innate "morals" programmed into every person. Killing is bad and is to be avoided (except in obvious cases like war, where it is still considered regrettable) for example.
Also, good and evil are not opposite equals. You do not choose to DO good or DO evil. Evil is the absence of good. If you place them as equals you get all manner of "well, it's all about which one you want to do". When you make a choice, you make a choice to do good or not.
Also from a Catholic standpoint if you say Satan is pure evil and God is pure good then good and evil can't be equals without Christianity being a dualist religion. Satan has just that little bit of good in him given by the fact he's a creation of God.
As for people not being able to accept God is real without proof, I understand. I won't call you faithless if you won't call me stupid. :p
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Fair enough, but personally, I'd rather have faith in people, they may let you down most of the time, but sometimes they shine like the stars.
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I agree, I just tack on God to it. If you have no faith in people, your religious life is empty and hollow.
I respect agnostics/atheists who've arrived at that conclusion through reasoned thought. As long as you have a set of morals you follow, I can't in good conscience say you're wrong in them.
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Also from a Catholic standpoint if you say Satan is pure evil and God is pure good then good and evil can't be equals without Christianity being a dualist religion. Satan has just that little bit of good in him given by the fact he's a creation of God.
I don't ever recall Christian religion ever saying Good and Evil are equal at all. Good is infinitely more superior.
As for people not being able to accept God is real without proof, I understand. I won't call you faithless if you won't call me stupid. :p
Agreed. I have quite a few good friends that are atheist. I'd never call em immoral or stupid. (partially cause I'm very picky to whom I call friend. If he was immoral or stupid he wouldnt' even be my friend in the first place :p )
Altough I have to say, the vast majority of atheists I met so far do treat me with a air of superiority. Either openly or not, they did act and talk like they were intelectually superior and like any religious man is a ignorant pesant.
Not all of them tough. Could be I just keep running mostly into assholes. Life's funny that way :lol:
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it's probably because most atheists are not born into the mindset, most come into it the same way DeepSpace9er did, at some point in there life they realize how stupid what they have been saying and thinking is and how much they have been holding themselves back because of it. they feel they've had some huge revelation about the world and it was so simple yet they didn't see it because they were blinded by what they thought was faith, but was more likely something like fear. the attitude you feel is actually directed at there former selves, religious people represent that, the self that they abandoned because they did not like how they thought. the atheist assumes that a religious person is just like they were before there revelation, which is unfortunately just as misguided as a born again christian assuming that all non-christians are like they were before they found God.
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That's a very good point. There have been discussions I've been involved in when I've felt that certain self-professed atheists have treated religious people with a blanket dismissal of being self-delusional or naive; I've always taken that as somewhat of an insult, since I know that I view my own faith as being at a mature and balanced level (and I'm sure many others would say the same). I'd never really thought of it as that person viewing that expression of faith as the very delusion they saw themselves as having escaped from. Maybe it's an almost inevitable viewpoint, no matter how much some of us might try to convince them that "faith" and "rational thought" are not mutually exclusive concepts.
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I view condescending atheists in the same light as condescending fundies. Both think they've got some exclusive truth no-one else has, and both seem to dislike me for it.
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it's probably because most atheists are not born into the mindset, most come into it the same way DeepSpace9er did, at some point in there life they realize how stupid what they have been saying and thinking is and how much they have been holding themselves back because of it. they feel they've had some huge revelation about the world and it was so simple yet they didn't see it because they were blinded by what they thought was faith, but was more likely something like fear. the attitude you feel is actually directed at there former selves, religious people represent that, the self that they abandoned because they did not like how they thought. the atheist assumes that a religious person is just like they were before there revelation, which is unfortunately just as misguided as a born again christian assuming that all non-christians are like they were before they found God.
I say, Can I get an AMEN?!!!
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AMEN
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Maybe it's an almost inevitable viewpoint, no matter how much some of us might try to convince them that "faith" and "rational thought" are not mutually exclusive concepts.
QFT!
Never has a truer sentance been spoken on these forums.
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People are agreeing in a thread involving religion on HLP.
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Damn! :nervous:
I disagree! You're all wrong, and you're going to suffer in a mythical zone where very naughty people go!
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People are agreeing in a thread involving religion on HLP.
Sign of the Apocalypse?
Or maybe just some us us have grown?
Nah, probably we just don't want to bother with a flame war or are too busy playing some game to have a heated debate :P
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I view condescending atheists in the same light as condescending fundies. Both think they've got some exclusive truth no-one else has, and both seem to dislike me for it.
What about militant atheists? Do we not get any love?
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No, I just fear you guys as much as I fear militant fundies. :p
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People are agreeing in a thread involving religion on HLP.
Sign of the Apocalypse?
Or maybe just some us us have grown?
Nah, probably we just don't want to bother with a flame war or are too busy playing some game to have a heated debate :P
It means that those people that tried to set us up against eachother (extremism?) failed.
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No, I just fear you guys as much as I fear militant fundies. :p
Score.
Wait as much? Not more?
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Depends on the day of the week.
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I want to go where Nuke is going. :drevil:
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No..............you don't :p