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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: iamzack on March 16, 2009, 06:35:50 am
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Sudan wants aid groups to stop distributing relief (http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSLG656338)
Sudan's president said on Monday he wanted foreign aid groups to stop distributing aid in Sudan within a year, in an escalation in the country's defiant response to an international war crimes warrant against him.
President Omar Hassan al-Bashir expelled 13 international aid groups this month, accusing them of helping the International Criminal Court, which issued an arrest warrant against him, accusing him of orchestrating atrocities in Darfur.
So now our choices include the following:
1) Just give the Sudanese government money and stuff and hope they do the right thing.
2) Actually ****ing do something about it besides vaguely wave a finger in their general direction.
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What about the U.S. not acting like they're the Justice League and not respond to every single cry for help?
Hell, I could even say Elite Beat Agents on this one. ;7
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I feel that way usually, but there are some cases where I feel that if we can do something, we effing should.
Massive tragedies in countries in which the government can't or won't do anything I think justify the use of our power in helping to resolve the situation.
I hate that we blow profitable problems out of proportion and then ignore very serious but unprofitable issues...
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Hmmmm, I don't think throwing money against something other than the wall and the stimulus package or whatever is really on the agenda for the US at the moment. Sudan never had a chance from America, or the rest of the world at a time like this.
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But it's nothing new! Neither is famine or the AIDS epidemic or all the civil wars across Africa.
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But it's nothing new! Neither is famine or the AIDS epidemic or all the civil wars across Africa.
Well I see your point in that sense. But as of now, there isn't really a whole lot the world can/will do about it.
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Hmmmm, I don't think throwing money against something other than the wall and the stimulus package or whatever conflict in Iraq / Afhganistan is really on the agenda for the US at the moment. Sudan never had a chance from America, or the rest of the world at a time like this.
:p
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Hmmmm, I don't think throwing money against something other than the wall and the stimulus package or whatever conflict in Iraq / Afhganistan is really on the agenda for the US at the moment. Sudan never had a chance from America, or the rest of the world at a time like this.
:p
:lol: Can't believe I missed that one
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The same people who hate Bush for deleting Saddam in Iraq want to go to war with Sudan???
(http://www.cs.tut.fi/~simona/Hell_Frozen_Over.jpg)
IMHO, BTW, I think that the current deployments should be finished (or at least progress to the point where the US will work as instructors for police and military and require a few thousand people in I and A) before thinking about the next war.
And just as I supported hunting Saddam down, I'd probably support getting al-Bashir, since the two of them seem to have a lot in common.
Also, that would put the US deeper into the position of being global cop, Commander Zane has a point there.
P.S. Where's the UN when you need it? It looks like it's either talking and doing nothing or talking and waiting till America gets involved...
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The UN doesn't have as much power as the US does.
Too bad starving children aren't valuable.
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ive said it once and i said it agan
NUKE AFRICA!
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Yes....you would... Not that I necessarily disagree with it. However, cutting off any and all foreign aid would be a better idea, IMHO.
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The UN doesn't have as much power as the US does.
Too bad starving children aren't valuable.
Global Warming will get them anyhow.
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Only slightly off topic:
WWW.Bushdiet.com (http://WWW.Bushdiet.com)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE)
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ive said it once and i said it agan
NUKE AFRICA!
That's your solution for everything, nuking Africa :p
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The UN doesn't have as much power as the US does.
Too bad starving children aren't valuable.
Global Warming will get them anyhow.
... and the rest of the world.
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We're all gonna die. The end.
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The UN doesn't have as much power as the US does.
Too bad starving children aren't valuable.
Global Warming will get them anyhow.
... and the rest of the world.
Maybe....not.....if we parade Al Gore in a chicken suit, we may be saved.
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We're all gonna die. The end.
Excuse me, I forgot. Everybody except Daniel P's mum.
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ive said it once and i said it agan
NUKE AFRICA!
No, just glass Africa. Remember, THAT is the way the world ends. ;) (I couldn't resist). Seriously though, the UN was formed to PREVENT stuff like this, and they sit around allowing it. World War III anyone?
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Too bad starving children aren't valuable.
Even from an egoistic point of view they are: Our next Einstein may be among them. (And our next Hitler too, but this kind needs the present conditions in Africa to become powerfull).
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Whatever. Supposedly, human life is valuable regardless. People say so all the time. You can't just kill a baby because you don't want it! Onoes!
But, see, everybody pretty much agrees with me. Human children are worth no more than maggots. People are just all in denial.
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Hopefully it's only just another stupid phase of our history, were idiots are in charge.
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Hopefully it's only just another stupid phase of our history, were idiots are in charge.
I take it you haven't seen the rest of human history then :doubt:
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'swhy I'll be world dictator by age 15 :pimp:
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I take it you haven't seen the rest of human history then :doubt:
Or i'm too optimistic. However there were bright periods. For religious matters, your Queen Elizabeth's I reign for example.
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:wtf: I'm American. Anyway, point is, I don't see this period of time as particularly worse than any other period, it's all just mediocre...
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:wtf: I'm American. Anyway, point is, I don't see this period of time as particularly worse than any other period, it's all just mediocre...
Living in a given era does not make it good or bad by any stretch of the imagination: it is perception and effort that makes it so.
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Best thing we could possibly do is to cut off just about all foreign aid, relief, supplements, donations, etc., etc. The sooner we stop handing them more money for guns (that's what really happens), the sooner they find their own ways to get money, meaning developing natural resources. Once they have a source of income, wars won't be as common (still common, by world standards, but a lot less). That, and if we stop telling them how and where to run their governments they can eventually form thier own borders and EFFECTIVE governments.
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What Scotty said...
I'll add that their should be a single foreign aid for Africa: education.
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Best thing we could possibly do is to cut off just about all foreign aid, relief, supplements, donations, etc., etc. The sooner we stop handing them more money for guns (that's what really happens), the sooner they find their own ways to get money, meaning developing natural resources. Once they have a source of income, wars won't be as common (still common, by world standards, but a lot less). That, and if we stop telling them how and where to run their governments they can eventually form thier own borders and EFFECTIVE governments.
Problem being the place is so wrought with corruption there's no up or down. They're just going to keep up extorting money, plundering villages that haven't barely anything TO plunder, and do what they do best, beg us for money.
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Best thing we could possibly do is to cut off just about all foreign aid, relief, supplements, donations, etc., etc. The sooner we stop handing them more money for guns (that's what really happens), the sooner they find their own ways to get money, meaning developing natural resources. Once they have a source of income, wars won't be as common (still common, by world standards, but a lot less). That, and if we stop telling them how and where to run their governments they can eventually form thier own borders and EFFECTIVE governments.
I think that would have been the best thing to do in the FIRST place. But at this point, it isn't that they're poor and have malaria. It's a straight up crisis area, and I feel that we should do something about it. I'm not saying, you know, throw money at them, or even go in and topple their governments.
I'm saying we should force our way PAST their governments and start feeding and educating people. Combine the two. Give free meals at schools so that parents will want their kids to go, if only so that they don't starve. Fund family planning health clinics that provide abortions and condoms and birth control and STD testing. Fund education for women.
With adults, especially women, focus on teaching people marketable skills. Even if you don't teach the adults to read and write, once they better their own lives and the lives of their children economically, they will want even better for their children, and get them off to school for literacy and such.
You're right, throwing money and donations at Africa only funds war and suffering. The better solution would be to fund the organizations and people who want to go there and actually help people BEYOND just giving them free meals.
Unfortunately, the US doesn't like doing that. We like to rely on religious organizations to help the poor. This usually doesn't work out especially well for the poor.
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Religious organizations don't work period. :P