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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on April 12, 2009, 09:23:10 pm
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Government tells me what to do since "its for my own good".
The government tells you to do many things for your own good. Take for example forced vaccinations, are you saying they shouldn't be mandatory?
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Agreed because they can harm you. At least in the past they had mercury as a perservative. Vaccines have been linked to mental disorders, they say, and I believe it. Not only that but vaccines are the virus but modified. It should be a choice whether or not to take the risk of getting vaccine shots. It does worry me.
What mental disorders do vaccines lead to?
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Austism and other things. I guess I will look up stuff to back up the story. Anything that heavy metals can do to you. Brain damage.
Edit: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ Of course I have reasons for knowing it can cause problems even if it says there has been no evidence. I don't want to talk about certain things.
Here's more: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm
From the very first link you provided, bolded for easy reading.
MMR Vaccine Safety Research
Many carefully performed scientific studies have found no link between MMR vaccine and autism. These studies include:
* A September 2008 case-control study published in Public Library of Science (PLoS) was conducted in 2004-2008 to determine whether results from an earlier study that claimed to find measles virus RNA in the intestinal tissue of a specific group of autistic children could be confirmed. The results could not be confirmed, and no link between MMR and autism was found.
* An April 2006 study conducted by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) of NIH and the CDC assessed data from 351 children with autism spectrum disorders and 31 typically-developing children. The study did not find a link between MMR vaccination and autism. The results were pubished in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders.
* A February 2004 case-control study examined the possible relationship between exposure to the MMR vaccine and autism in Atlanta, Georgia. The results were published in Pediatrics.
* A November 2002 study by CDC and the Danish Medical Research Council that followed more than 500,000 children over 7 years and found no association between MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Because signs of autism may appear around the same time children receive the MMR vaccine, some parents may worry that the vaccine causes autism. Vaccine safety experts, including experts at CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), agree that MMR vaccine is not responsible for recent increases in the number of children with autism. In 2004, a report by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that there is no link between autism and MMR vaccine, and that there is no link between autism and vaccines that contain thimerosal as a preservative.
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I don't care if someone thinks they lead to a pixy infestation of the liver, the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself. the government has no right to force you to do anything to your body, it has no right to tell you what you an and can not do with your body, what you will and will not put in your body, the government exists to serve the people, the people are not some sort of livestock.
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I don't care if someone thinks they lead to a pixy infestation of the liver, the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself. the government has no right to force you to do anything to your body, it has no right to tell you what you an and can not do with your body, what you will and will not put in your body, the government exists to serve the people, the people are not some sort of livestock.
I don't think you want to hear MY philosophy!
What about the ramifications if you lose the gamble?
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But sadly they force us to get these shots as young children in order to go to school.
Or there would be massive outbreaks of diseases. They didn't just say "Ah ha! If we force them when they're young, they can't say no! We'll make it a requirement of going to school!
The government doesn't want giant disruptions that this would cause if kids didn't get vaccinated.
I don't like it either and I feel anger towards it. It really worries me. If I had a kid, I would be scared to give him/her a vaccine if they still have mercury and stuff in them.
Do most vaccines even have it in there?
I was under the impression that
A. They weren't in many anymore
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B. There was still no definitive results that it was the cause of a massive infection/injury.
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I hear the flu shot still has it. Of course that shot isn't necessary and I would never get it and it doesn't keep you immune for long. It is common sense that mercury will hurt you since it doesn't go well with humans. What mercury does is when it enters your body, it stays in certain tissues and may never leave them. I guess green tea and other remedies can clean these heavy metals out if you drink enough of it, but that isn't an option if you are so young and kids can't drink that stuff. Actually, mercury doesn't cause brain damage but it sits in tissues like your brain and that can cause neurons to be blocked and electrical signals as well. That can cause diseases and conditions to develop, like Alzheimer’s. I believe that is one cause of Alzheimer’s.
That is what poison does and how it hurt you. It blocks blood flow, electrical signals, or the flow of other necessary things in your body that are vital to keeping you alive, as far as I know. Poisons might do more than that; I'm not sure.
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
Selections. Again, bolded for quick points.
Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.
Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.
Guidelines on Exposure to Organomercurials
Mercury is an element that is dispersed widely around the earth. Most of the mercury in the water, soil, plants and animals is found as inorganic mercury salts. Mercury accumulates in the aquatic food chain, primarily in the form of the methylmercury, an organomercurial. Organic forms of mercury are more easily absorbed when ingested and are less readily eliminated from the body than are inorganic forms of mercury. Humans are exposed to methylmercury primarily from the consumption of seafood (Mahaffey et al. 1997).
Basic sum up
1. The concern is theoretical. I assume there is no definitive study that shows direct causation of what you're talking about.
2. Even because of theoretical concerns, it is no longer on vaccines required for children under 6.
3. The compounds in these vaccines are found in nature and are at least tolerable at low levels. Exposure to these compounds will not kill you outright. it would require a large amount it. If vaccines carried the amount large enough to kill kids, they'd be dying of mercury poisoning left and right. They aren't.
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I don't think you want to hear MY philosophy!
What about the ramifications if you lose the gamble?
then you and everyone you convinced to go along with you will become sick and incur the risks and expenses associated with that.
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I don't think you want to hear MY philosophy!
What about the ramifications if you lose the gamble?
then you and everyone you convinced to go along with you will become sick and incur the risks and expenses associated with that.
And then society incurs the risks and expenses associated with those people being sick.
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then you and everyone you convinced to go along with you will become sick and incur the risks and expenses associated with that.
Not just you though. Once the vaccination rate goes below a certain amount you start getting outbreaks which do affect those who have been vaccinated against the disease.
Not vaccinating yourself does create a risk to people who have been vaccinated. It's not quite as simple as you make out.
As for the autism from MMR nonsense, the paper that claimed that been widely discredited and the doctor who wrote it struck off. It's also worth pointing out that he owned a significant number of shares in the company who made a rival vaccination, sales of which rocketed after the paper came out.
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isn't the point of a vaccine to make you immune? if so then even if there is an outbreak then the people vacinated should be at least in a considerably better shape then those who are not. but the fact that there is not a huge outcry against this suggests most people would take the vaccination even without government forcing it. if a few people want to be different why must they be crushed by the almighty all correct government?
it only becomes an issue if you have a socialized health care system, which is why I am opposed to that in my country.
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isn't the point of a vaccine to make you immune? if so then even if there is an outbreak then the people vacinated should be at least in a considerably better shape then those who are not. but the fact that there is not a huge outcry against this suggests most people would take the vaccination even without government forcing it. if a few people want to be different why must they be crushed by the almighty all correct government?
it only becomes an issue if you have a socialized health care system, which is why I am opposed to that in my country.
Because the health care system (socialized or not) has to spend time and resources on it, and society as a whole has to pick up the slack when these people get whatever they skipped in vaccines.
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in private health care you pay for you treatment. you reimburse the heathcare providers for there time and effort with money you produced with your time and effort. you buy treatment, or not if you don't want to (risk dieing).
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Yeah but if that's the way you want to run with it you could sue anyone who is unvaccinated if you caught the disease off them. After all it was their recklessness that resulted in you getting sick after all.
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if you could prove you caught it off an individual and you were vaccinated yourself, I suppose that sounds about right.
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in private health care you pay for you treatment. you reimburse the heathcare providers for there time and effort with money you produced with your time and effort. you buy treatment, or not if you don't want to (risk dieing).
Health care is not unlimited. The time and money and resources spent on you could be spent on others with other problems. The healthcare system in most countries is so overwhelmed (either due to lack of skills/money or in the US's case, an overabundance of elderly and ill) that I think it is irresponsible to take this issue all the way to the mat.
As much as you hate to think about it, you are part of a greater system. What you do affects me, and there are some things you can't just opt out of because you feel like it.
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Vaccines?
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Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.
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Vaccines?
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Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.
Mind control, obviously. :rolleyes:
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if the health care system is being so taxed by such cases then it will be making a lot of money which it can use to enhance it capability to better supply its services to the population demanding said services.
so I see where you are taking this, I must conform to whatever the governing authorities tell me to do. because my health effects other people I must do healthy things, things which are for my own good. where is the freedom in this lifestyle, where is the liberty? I'd rather move to Antarctica (though obviously I'm more likely to stay here and simply try to move society in the direction I prefer).
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if the health care system is being so taxed by such cases then it will be making a lot of money which it can use to enhance it capability to better supply its services to the population demanding said services.
So any day now the health care system in my country will just rapidly explode to care for the millions of problems that either aren't covered or are but so poorly that they don't fix anything?
I can hold my breath on this one? (Because with the awesome health care system we'll have, I'll be fixed in a jiffy)
You're either being snarky, or you honestly think everything in health care in regards to getting people care is fine.
so I see where you are taking this, I must conform to whatever the governing authorities tell me to do.
Yes, they're called laws. We just got them shipped in recently so you might not have run into any.
because my health effects other people I must do healthy things, things which are for my own good.
Yes, society tends to frown on you hurting yourself or others.
where is the freedom in this lifestyle, where is the liberty? I'd rather move to Antarctica (though obviously I'm more likely to stay here and simply try to move society in the direction I prefer).
If your biggest liberty concern is whether or not they make kids get vaccines to attend public schools... blessings, count em.
I like how your definition of liberty and freedom is whether the government allows you to hurt yourself and others.
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I remember people laughing about the taco bell sceene in demolition man, will high colestoral foods be made illigal? will we have an illigal underground market for meat where people will be incarcerated for eating unhealthy food?
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I remember people laughing about the taco bell sceene in demolition man, will high colestoral foods be made illigal? will we have an illigal underground market for meat where people will be incarcerated for eating unhealthy food?
Will our jobs be permanently assigned to us like in Futurama? Will all books be reviewed by the government to make sure they don't bother us? Will scary movies be banned so we don't give people heart attacks?
The slope, it's slippery.
The problem is your alternative is no government regulation on anything, at all.
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problem?
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problem?
Yea, that would be a problem.
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oh, forgive my ignorance.
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oh, forgive my ignorance.
I would have assumed you would see the downside of no police or anything.
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that would depend on the laws they would be enforcing. government should have a simpe job, keep other governments away from me, keep other people from damaging or stealing my property. if they do this then I'd have no problem with it, but when it comes down to effecting a person's right to decide what does or does not go into there own body I'd have to say that is a bad law.
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that would depend on the laws they would be enforcing.
No laws, you've made it fairly clear these are regulations that infringe on your liberty and any government interference in your life is a stab at the heart of liberty and freedom.
government should have a simple job, keep other governments away from me, keep other people from damaging or stealing my property. if they do this then I'd have no problem with it, but when it comes down to effecting a person's right to decide what does or does not go into there own body I'd have to say that is a bad law.
The post that I would have to give to describe all the things that would go wrong with a situation like that would hilarious and scary all rolled into one.
The system you describe would be as cutthroat as it could possibly be.
I do find it curious you made a point of your property remaining safe, but made no mention of your health or well being. Do you not care if some guy guns down you or your family... or were you so wrapped up in your material possessions that you forgot about it?
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the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself.
who owns you? who owns your health? who owns your well being? it should be the responsibility of the owner of these things who ensures there safety.
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Vaccines?
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Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.
Mind control, obviously. :rolleyes:
Clearly you did no digging on the matter. *sigh*
Not mind control you I was going to say idiot but Kara would've banned me since he likes being a little dictator
You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
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the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself.
who owns you? who owns your health? who owns your well being? it should be the responsibility of the owner of these things who ensures there safety.
And it is the responsibility of a society to ensure it's safety.
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so then are you saying that it is your position that society owns the people who make it up? that you do not own your self but are owned by your government?
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so then are you saying that it is your position that society owns the people who make it up? that you do not own your self but are owned by your government?
Absolutely. Property of the US Government. :rolleyes:
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well then I suppose we have a different view on a fairly fundamental point.
enjoy city 17, I hear it's safer there, so you should enjoy it.
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well then I suppose we have a different view on a fairly fundamental point.
enjoy city 17, I hear it's safer there, so you should enjoy it.
Don't worry, I'll have more room when you reject your citizenship and leave the country
(which I'm sure you're doing right now? Staying up late to do the paperwork?)
Edit - You're a US citizen, on US soil. You have to follow US law.
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don't date negros in 1956, it's against the law.
but other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at so I'm not sure how to further respond.
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You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
Woah.
Wikipedia is not a good reference source (at least reference one of the referenced articles/papers)!
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don't date negros in 1956, it's against the law.
but other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at so I'm not sure how to further respond.
You asked if I was owned by the government. Clearly the answer is no. They do not "own" me.
However, as a US citizen, and living on US soil, I am bound to follow the laws they lay out.
We elect people as representatives to pass laws and judge laws. Any system removed from government or people's power is even less likely to be looking out for your liberty or freedom.
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Vaccines?
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Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.
Mind control, obviously. :rolleyes:
Clearly you did no digging on the matter. *sigh*
Not mind control you I was going to say idiot but Kara would've banned me since he likes being a little dictator
You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
So they're putting it in the water to... kill us? In a massive plan to exert control over our corpses? :wtf:
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I vote for people who deregulate things.
I vote for people who will remove drug laws, I vote fore people who will not make it harder to ow a gun, I vote for people who will allow gay marage, I vote for people who will reduce the size and scope and invacivenes of the government.
I am not above going to jail if there is a law on the books being enforced that I think goes against what the government is there for.
also every page of wikipedia is completely unreliable for anything, if a page to wikipedia is posted I must remind everyone of this fact without checking to see if said page has these features because by virtue of checking I imply that some pages of the wikipedia might not be 100% bull****.(@portej05)
I read the article, did not see what the **** he was talking about, seemed like a decent if random wikipedia article, high levels of fluoride can kill you /*shock*/.
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I vote for people who deregulate things.
I vote for people who will remove drug laws, I vote fore people who will not make it harder to ow a gun, I vote for people who will allow gay marage, I vote for people who will reduce the size and scope and invacivenes of the government.
I am not above going to jail if there is a law on the books being enforced that I think goes against what the government is there for.
And I'm glad you do. But minority protection doesn't include things like vaccinations.
Until it's repealed or struck down, you are obligated to follow. So in that sense, you are "owned" by the government.
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You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
Woah.
Wikipedia is not a good reference source (at least reference one of the referenced articles/papers)!
Yeah, I know it's not. But it seems to me that unless you've got a wikipedia link these days, nobody takes you seriously. Ironic, I know.
@Blue Lion A weakened population is easier to control. Why the hell else would we be putting this stuff in our water? To my knowledge it has no health benefits at all. I think brushing twice a day is more than enough.
Edit: Damn you people argue fast. "What the **** I am talking about" is that we put this stuff in bottled water and tap water which people drink regularly. Do you really think prolonged consumption of the stuff is a good idea?
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You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
Woah.
Wikipedia is not a good reference source (at least reference one of the referenced articles/papers)!
Yeah, I know it's not. But it seems to me that unless you've got a wikipedia link these days, nobody takes you seriously. Ironic, I know.
@Blue Lion A weakened population is easier to control. Why the hell else would we be putting this stuff in our water? To my knowledge it has no health benefits at all. I think brushing twice a day is more than enough.
Weak physically?
Does the government come around to your house and push you around?
"Hey, who wants more freedom? If you want more rights stop hitting yourself. Come on, don't you want more rights? Well stop hitting yourself!"
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Well, you managed to get a laugh out of me, I admit. But yes, of course weak physically. The Nazis did it.
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Well, you managed to get a laugh out of me, I admit. But yes, of course weak physically. The Nazis did it.
The Nazis put flouride in the water to weaken the populace to control them?
It wasn't nationalism, the post war depression or other things... it was flouride?
Flouride caused the Holocaust? :wtf:
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You're not seeing the bigger picture here, they used it along with those things. :rolleyes:
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You're not seeing the bigger picture here, they used it along with those things. :rolleyes:
Like?
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You're not seeing the bigger picture here, they used it along with those things. :rolleyes:
Like?
That question doesn't even make sense. :confused:
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You're not seeing the bigger picture here, they used it along with those things. :rolleyes:
Like?
That question doesn't even make sense. :confused:
You tell me they use flouride to make us compliant, like the Nazis did.
Then you tell me they used other things with flouride. I'd like to know what those things are. Because I have the sneaking suspicion you could do the same without the flouride.
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Not mind control you I was going to say idiot but Kara would've banned me since he likes being a little dictator
Yeah. Putting a strikethough makes it not flaming
You stupid wanker :p
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Vaccines are necessary.
We're all very lucky to have been born into a time when there are no major pandemics in the world. My dad and mom lived through the polio epidemic, my mom has a dime sized scar on her arm where they administered the injection that saved her life. That was 50 years ago. Do not pretend that you have not and continue to not benefit from the vaccinations you received as a child. They saved you from mumps, measles and a variety of other diseases that disfigured and cause such things as brain and nerve damage in generations previous.
There is only one major disease that hasn't had a vaccine successfully developed for it and it kills thousands every year. In fact, on the continent of Africa, it's in the top 3 causes of death. Malaria. Don't you think the people in areas stricken with this disease beg for a vaccine were if available? Do you not think that it wouldn't be deployed in mass amounts because some nutjob with too much time on his hands is complaining about possible side effects?
We are all very lucky to be born into a world with vaccines.
Fluoride, too, is quite handy. Trace amounts added to the water supply act to passively reinforce the enamel on your teeth making it harder and more resistant to damage. If you want to complain about chems in the water, I suggest you pick something that is present in larger quantity. Like, say, chlorine. Take the chlorine out and it's Montezuma's Revenge for everyone!
All I'm saying is don't read bad things into stuff that is innocuous at best and mildly annoying at worst.
Also, take a tour of your local water treatment plant, it's really amazing how they clean and sterilize the water as it comes in from the river/lake/ect.
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I vote for people who deregulate things.
That has worked sooooo well in the history!
I vote for people who will remove drug laws,
no problem with that
I vote fore people who will not make it harder to ow a gun
not touching that
I vote for people who will allow gay marage
no problem with that either
I vote for people who will reduce the size and scope and invacivenes of the government.
Well what about the protection and infrastructure the governments grants?
I am not above going to jail if there is a law on the books being enforced that I think goes against what the government is there for.
No problem with that either
also every page of wikipedia is completely unreliable for anything, if a page to wikipedia is posted I must remind everyone of this fact without checking to see if said page has these features because by virtue of checking I imply that some pages of the wikipedia might not be 100% bull****.(@portej05)
I read the article, did not see what the **** he was talking about, seemed like a decent if random wikipedia article, high levels of fluoride can kill you /*shock*/.
Actually wikipedia is very reliable, especially the well sourced articles. Of course, for more detailed insight the sources listed in Wikipedia and just searching scholar.google.com often yield excellent sources.
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I still use Conservapedia for all my important stuff. They fact check like nobodies business.
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I just felt the need to point out that the FDA isn't really a credible source on health issues. :drevil:
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Pasteur must be doing 100 rpm in his grave, no?
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That must help keep him preserved
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I still use Conservapedia for all my important stuff. They fact check like nobodies business.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Bible_Retranslation_Project
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Yeah...Conservapedia is one of the funniest/most infuriating sites out there, depending on how serious you're willing to take it.
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Oh man, I wish I caught this thread earlier! I love debating vaccinations - mostly because 99% of people against it don't have a clue what they're talking about.
A few people covered it, but there is absolutely NO link between vaccinations and mental disorders like autism. (One botched study 30 years ago found a link; since then, every single follow-up has failed to find any interaction. One very recent study in Quebec found the rate of autism in their sample was higher in unvaccinated kids, which rather clinches the subject. Zero link. None.) There IS a link between vaccinations and allergic reactions causing death, but frankly the chances of such a reaction are lower than dying from the disease (regardless of what you're being vaccinated for) in the first place. All you have to realize is that there is always a risk factor in any medical intervention. The chances are low, but there is a chance that you can die after taking a single Tylenol. It's not cause-and-effect, it's interaction of a variety of factors. The same is true of vaccines. In millions of people, each with a slightly different immune system, there are always going to be an extremely low number of bad reactions, some of which may be fatal. Does that mean we should stop taking vaccines? Considering the implications of not being vaccinated, only an absolute fool would believe that. I'll demonstrate.
MMR is a common contentious vaccine because it doses for three diseases at once. (It is speculated that this may be why MMR has a slightly higher rate of bad reactions than other vaccines). For those who don't know, it stands for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella - all of which can be, and frequently were, lethal to children. Actually, they are capable of killing healthy adults too.
Polio is a debilitating illness that has been nearly wiped off the map which killed or crippled people for life. For people infected, the rate of complete recovery to normal was extremely low.
Smallpox killed millions every decade until a vaccine was developed that has led to it being officially declared eradicated. Survivors were scarred for life. The survival rate was also low.
Tetanus is a common bacterial infection that, without a vaccine, has no treatment. It WILL kill you - in excruciating agony as all the muscles of your body continue to contract until you suffocate because your lungs are doing nothing but contract. Again, eliminated with a vaccine administered every 10 years or so.
Whooping cough killed children all over the world prior to a vaccine being developed. I'll actually come back to this one.
Finally, we have the influenza virus - the single biggest killer of human beings in the history of the planet. The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic killed somewhere between 50 and 100 million people globally before it petered out (and we still don't know exactly how many for sure). That's ONE outbreak. Double the number of people killed in the First World War.
What many of the anti-vaccination crowd forget is that the only reason prevalence of these diseases has gone down is because of "herd immunity" - vaccinate as many people as possible, and the disease is incapable of gaining a foothold. Every person who is not vaccinated is a disease carrier, at risk of developing and transmitting the illness. Usually, the implications of this where true herd immunity exists are low - the carrier is afflicted and recovers or dies without transmitting the illness, or after transmitting it to a very few people. However, when many people reject vaccination, the numbers of carriers and people vulnerable to disease goes up, and it can spread farther and faster. Think of it this way: In a class of 30 children, if 29 are vaccinated you have only one who can be infected. Therefore, the class itself is incapable of being a large scale vector. For each additional child unvaccinated, the number of vectors increases EXPONENTIALLY because of number of interactions outside the classroom can increase exponentially (depending how many people each child meets during the incubation phase of the illness). Once you have even 5 or 6 kids out of 30 unvaccinated, herd immunity no longer applies - the disease can travel between those 5 or 6 and to all the people they interact with who also lack the vaccination - and since the anti-vaccine sentiment runs in families and friendship groups, that becomes a very large number of people.
I have a great real-world example from whooping cough. Actually, two. The first happened in Japan in 1975. Following a vaccine batch that had several problems, two infants died in japan and several papers were published internationally about the pertussis vaccine in the mid-1970s. Japan eliminated the vaccine. With five years, Japan's rate of infection went from LESS THAN ONE per hundred thousand population, to over 11. Tenfold increase in the number of cases. By 1980, over forty children died per year and 13,000 were infected each year. Prior to the elimination, the infection numbers were around 1000, and there were 0-1 deaths per year. All of this because two children, out of millions vaccinated, died.
The second example is actually from Canada, in a town of less than a thousand people about 2 hours from where I grew up. The community is largely populated by 60s-era Vietnam draft-dodgers from the United States and other localized "hippie" communes. Three years ago, this tiny community experience FORTY-FIVE cases of whooping cough in a three week period. Why? Parents relied on herd immunity, and refused to vaccinate their kids. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the community followed this pattern. As a result, most of the children were unvaccinated, and B. pertussis spread throughout the community like wildfire. It was actually quarantined for some time as a result.
The risk of becoming seriously ill or dying from vaccination is incredibly low - literally off the scale. It is simply not worth opting out - for the health of the individual AND the group.
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Well-said, MP-Ryan. Always a pleasure to have such informed input.
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I read somewhere that there's been a huge increase in the number of measles cases in the UK that they're attributing to people not having the vaccine, but I can't find the source.
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All good reasons to make sure I'm up to date on my shots. Far too many are rejecting the shots these days.
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What's funny is when someone arguing against vaccinations yet they argue for things like anti smoking laws.
I guess some ppl just miss Polio that much? Ever seen/known a person that suffered from it? My second/third...well umm I really dunno...cousin was one of the last Polio victims,..recently passed away from other complications, but all his leave the man needed special braces on his knees and crutches to walk and had to live with family because somethings he just couldn't do for himself.
Yea....it's all the Gov just being pushy.
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I'd just like to say that I am not against vaccinations, didn't want to give that impression. There are plenty worse things we can blame the (US) Government for.
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Where did this thread come from?
I still use Conservapedia for all my important stuff. They fact check like nobodies business.
I'm going to assume you're joking.
But sadly they force us to get these shots as young children in order to go to school. I don't like it either and I feel anger towards it. It really worries me. If I had a kid, I would be scared to give him/her a vaccine if they still have mercury and stuff in them.
I don't care if someone thinks they lead to a pixy infestation of the liver, the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself. the government has no right to force you to do anything to your body, it has no right to tell you what you an and can not do with your body, what you will and will not put in your body, the government exists to serve the people, the people are not some sort of livestock.
Public health is nothing to joke about. Should we go back to the days of measles epidemics that could overwhelm our healthcare system to satisfy libertarian fantasies and tin foil hatters? The problem in this case is if there are large numbers of people not getting vaccinated, it does hurt everyone else. Let's say you run a store, but because of an outbreak of MMR, most of your customers got infected and so instead of shopping they were either dying or spending large amounts of money on treatments. How do you think that would affect your business?
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Where did this thread come from?
I still use Conservapedia for all my important stuff. They fact check like nobodies business.
I'm going to assume you're joking.
Have you read the Conservapedia page on vaccines? Doesn't mention homosexuals or anything!
Seriously though, Conservapedia is hilarious. Pure, 100% Whargbl
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A few people covered it, but there is absolutely NO link between vaccinations and mental disorders like autism.
Correct. You get born with autism. I showed symptoms before I was vaccinated at the age of six. There is no proof that the vaccinations made it 'worse'.
on a side note, conservapedia's article on Islam is suprisingly... well... lets just say: Non-Bush.
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Only in Conservapedia could "Islam" have a direct reference to Michelle Malkin.