[Bobboau]

if you could prove you caught it off an individual and you were vaccinated yourself, I suppose that sounds about right.

[Blue Lion]

in private health care you pay for you treatment. you reimburse the heathcare providers for there time and effort with money you produced with your time and effort. you buy treatment, or not if you don't want to (risk dieing).

Health care is not unlimited. The time and money and resources spent on you could be spent on others with other problems. The healthcare system in most countries is so overwhelmed (either due to lack of skills/money or in the US's case, an overabundance of elderly and ill) that I think it is irresponsible to take this issue all the way to the mat.

As much as you hate to think about it, you are part of a greater system. What you do affects me, and there are some things you can't just opt out of because you feel like it.

[Hellstryker]

Vaccines?
...
Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.

[Blue Lion]

Vaccines?
...
Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.

Mind control, obviously. 

[Bobboau]

if the health care system is being so taxed by such cases then it will be making a lot of money which it can use to enhance it capability to better supply its services to the population demanding said services.

so I see where you are taking this, I must conform to whatever the governing authorities tell me to do. because my health effects other people  I must do healthy things, things which are for my own good. where is the freedom in this lifestyle, where is the liberty? I'd rather move to Antarctica (though obviously I'm more likely to stay here and simply try to move society in the direction I prefer).

[Blue Lion]

if the health care system is being so taxed by such cases then it will be making a lot of money which it can use to enhance it capability to better supply its services to the population demanding said services.

So any day now the health care system in my country will just rapidly explode to care for the millions of problems that either aren't covered or are but so poorly that they don't fix anything?

I can hold my breath on this one? (Because with the awesome health care system we'll have, I'll be fixed in a jiffy)

You're either being snarky, or you honestly think everything in health care in regards to getting people care is fine.

so I see where you are taking this, I must conform to whatever the governing authorities tell me to do.

Yes, they're called laws. We just got them shipped in recently so you might not have run into any.

because my health effects other people  I must do healthy things, things which are for my own good.

Yes, society tends to frown on you hurting yourself or others.

where is the freedom in this lifestyle, where is the liberty? I'd rather move to Antarctica (though obviously I'm more likely to stay here and simply try to move society in the direction I prefer).

If your biggest liberty concern is whether or not they make kids get vaccines to attend public schools... blessings, count em.

I like how your definition of liberty and freedom is whether the government allows you to hurt yourself and others.

[Bobboau]

I remember people laughing about the taco bell sceene in demolition man, will high colestoral foods be made illigal? will we have an illigal underground market for meat where people will be incarcerated for eating unhealthy food?

[Blue Lion]

I remember people laughing about the taco bell sceene in demolition man, will high colestoral foods be made illigal? will we have an illigal underground market for meat where people will be incarcerated for eating unhealthy food?

Will our jobs be permanently assigned to us like in Futurama? Will all books be reviewed by the government to make sure they don't bother us? Will scary movies be banned so we don't give people heart attacks?

The slope, it's slippery.

The problem is your alternative is no government regulation on anything, at all.

[Bobboau]

problem?

[Blue Lion]

problem?

Yea, that would be a problem.

[Bobboau]

oh, forgive my ignorance.

[Blue Lion]

oh, forgive my ignorance.

I would have assumed you would see the downside of no police or anything.

[Bobboau]

that would depend on the laws they would be enforcing. government should have a simpe job, keep other governments away from me, keep other people from damaging or stealing my property. if they do this then I'd have no problem with it, but when it comes down to effecting a person's right to decide what does or does not go into there own body I'd have to say that is a bad law.

[Blue Lion]

that would depend on the laws they would be enforcing.

No laws, you've made it fairly clear these are regulations that infringe on your liberty and any government interference in your life is a stab at the heart of liberty and freedom.

government should have a simple job, keep other governments away from me, keep other people from damaging or stealing my property. if they do this then I'd have no problem with it, but when it comes down to effecting a person's right to decide what does or does not go into there own body I'd have to say that is a bad law.

The post that I would have to give to describe all the things that would go wrong with a situation like that would hilarious and scary all rolled into one.

The system you describe would be as cutthroat as it could possibly be.

I do find it curious you made a point of your property remaining safe, but made no mention of your health or well being. Do you not care if some guy guns down you or your family... or were you so wrapped up in your material possessions that you forgot about it?

[Bobboau]

the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself.

who owns you? who owns your health? who owns your well being? it should be the responsibility of the owner of these things who ensures there safety.

[Hellstryker]

Vaccines?
...
Flouride my friends. Wonder why we're so fond of putting it in our water.

Mind control, obviously. 

Clearly you did no digging on the matter. *sigh*
Not mind control you I was going to say idiot but Kara would've banned me since he likes being a little dictator

You don't even need to look further than Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning

[Blue Lion]

the most fundamental tenant of my philosophy is you own yourself.

who owns you? who owns your health? who owns your well being? it should be the responsibility of the owner of these things who ensures there safety.

And it is the responsibility of a society to ensure it's safety.

[Bobboau]

so then are you saying that it is your position that society owns the people who make it up? that you do not own your self but are owned by your government?

[Blue Lion]

so then are you saying that it is your position that society owns the people who make it up? that you do not own your self but are owned by your government?

Absolutely. Property of the US Government. 

[Bobboau]

well then I suppose we have a different view on a fairly fundamental point.
enjoy city 17, I hear it's safer there, so you should enjoy it.