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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bobboau on April 24, 2009, 11:02:49 pm
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can we have one of them too?
just for old times sake? :D
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God created dinosaur fossils to test your faith. It's only the start of a web of lies; only the truly faithful can find the truth (and God) among it.
We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
Pick your bull**** argument and start the shooting. :D
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evolution argument
Terribly sorry. This is abuse.
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If you're feeling nostalgic, just head back to Epicurius a few pages ago.
God, I loved that thread. :D
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God created dinosaur fossils to test your faith. It's only the start of a web of lies; only the truly faithful can find the truth (and God) among it.
We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
Pick your bull**** argument and start the shooting. :D
You're not supposed to use The Great Razor that way.
Just sayin'.
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Not one of these again.
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I've noticed these things only start up in earnest when we start talking about something completely different. Just go thread jack another thread (I think four pages is long enough for the "is religion holding us back" thread ;7)
Not really. I would never seriously ask someone to jack a thread.
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ITT I will argue for creationism.
fossils formed in the flood yo!
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Maybe you missed my point. When you consciously try to get into an argument about this stuff, it never takes off, it just sputters there for two pages and dies.
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your just saying that because you are an atheist.
and therefore eat children.
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evolution is a fact and all of you are idiots for not seeing the world from exactly my perspective.
that is all.
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it's a fact in the same way the 'the earth is flat' is a fact, science was wrong about that and it's wrong about evolution.
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It won't work Bobb. There are only 3-4 people left who might argue against evolution and most of them have done it before and had their arses handed back to them for trying.
Unlike the other arguments where they feel on pretty safe ground, pretty much anyone on this forum trying to argue for creationism is dealing with a group of people who not only know evolution but who know the counter-arguments better than they do.
I've already proved several times that I understand intelligent design better than the people who argued for it with me. It's bad enough to lack an understanding of how evolution works when coming into an argument but if I start going on about Irreducible complexity only to be met by blank stares from the same people who want to claim that it's a major problem for evolution then the argument becomes rather pointless. :D
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this thread is boring
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I don't care how god created us. It could be through evolution, or just straight up we appeared out of nowhere in ancient times as we are today ala star trek transporter style. Either way is creation when you look at it, just through different methods.
Evolution really just seems to be a multitude of adaptations depending on which environment people or animals live in. Evolution is a cool thing.
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Your mom evolved!
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I was quite funny when a guy (who even comes from my town!) complained about one of my Geology lecturer's points of view regarding Creationism. It happened only a few days ago, and I lol'ed at him.
It's strange. How can you believe in Creationism if every single thing you study is all against it? :wtf:
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I was quite funny when a guy (who even comes from my town!) complained about one of my Geology lecturer's points of view regarding Creationism. It happened only a few days ago, and I lol'ed at him.
It's strange. How can you believe in Creationism if every single thing you study is all against it? :wtf:
The same way people can be Christian and ignore most of its teachings
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We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
Occam's Razor is a completely worthless instrument
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Some say we evolved from apes. <---wrong
Some say God created us from earth. <---partially right
truth is:
Our ancestors came from outer space some 150000 years ago, with space ships led by a huge Battlestar.
The origin of our race is Kobol, where God created us.
He also has a plan for us, it seems it involves nukes ( and for some very strange reason Snuffleupagus ), not sure though.
That's the truth. Face it. :P
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We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
Occam's Razor is a completely worthless instrument
Occam was just an emo kid. He probably used Occam's razor to cut his wrists
personally, I prefer to use Mehrunes Razor. Where Occam's Razor says that the most simple solution is usually the correct one, Mehrunes Razor says BURN DESTROY KILL
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Some say we evolved from apes. <---wrong
Some say God created us from earth. <---partially right
truth is:
Our ancestors came from outer space some 150000 years ago, with space ships led by a huge Battlestar.
The origin of our race is Kobol, where God created us.
He also has a plan for us, it seems it involves nukes ( and for some very strange reason Snuffleupagus ), not sure though.
That's the truth. Face it. :P
You forgot the part where there were already humans here...
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I propose that "god" took some humans off of earth, moved them to kobol and lived with them for some time. the humans then rebelled and moved off to start their 12 colonies, with the early cylons going off to their 13th. Then, Battlestar Galactica happens.
What would blow my mind is if "god" is a goa'uld.
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Why did the humans on kobol advance while the ones on earth didnt?
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Why did the humans on kobol advance while the ones on earth didnt?
because they had the gods/goa'uld helping them
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that's stupid.
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what's a goa'uld?
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that's stupid.
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what's a goa'uld?
a oozy, halfway intelligent, very evil worm that enters your body and lives in your bowels.
It controls you, makes you strong and you get a voice like Darth Vader.
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Eh, Goa'uld are a species of parasitic, sentient aliens that, once in adult stage, can enter another species' head, wrap themselves around the brain of the host and control them and also give the host body many abilities, some considered unnatural. The larval stage of the species does live in the abdominal pouch of the Jaffa, but not in their bowels per ce.
Then there are the Tok'ra which are basically the same species as Goa'uld but their relation to the host is a mutual symbiosis from which both benefit, not just the snake thingy.
Geez, I don't even watch Stargåte... :blah:
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Eh, Goa'uld are a species of parasitic, sentient aliens that, once in adult stage, can enter another species' head, wrap themselves around the brain of the host and control them and also give the host body many abilities, some considered unnatural. The larval stage of the species does live in the abdominal pouch of the Jaffa, but not in their bowels per ce.
Then there are the Tok'ra which are basically the same species as Goa'uld but their relation to the host is a mutual symbiosis from which both benefit, not just the snake thingy.
Geez, I don't even watch Stargåte... :blah:
I've seen only the movie and one or two episodes, didn't know the "live in the head thing", which btw makes this
species even more...icky.
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We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there are no laws of physics (adding them makes a system more complex than one where everything happens due to >the will of God<) and therefore God does exist. This also shows that laws of physics don't exist.
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I know you guys are enjoying yourselves ripping apart my Occam's razor "proof" (in BIG quotation marks), and I hate to take that fun away from you. But if you noticed my other statement was equally as retarded and made even less logical sense.
Point: I know Occam's razor doesn't actually prove anything with regards to God. :p I also said that fossils were put here to test our faith, go rip on that one some too. ;)
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We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there isn't a God (adding a God makes it more complex) and therefore God does not exist.
We can use Occam's razor to say the simplest system is one in which there are no laws of physics (adding them makes a system more complex than one where everything happens due to >the will of God<) and therefore God does exist. This also shows that laws of physics don't exist.
:wtf:
You're not supposed to use The Great Razor that way.
Seriously, quit it.
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Occam's razor deals with probabilities, never absolutes (like nothing in science basically).
It can be said that if two equally accurate hypotheses for some phenomenon exist, the simpler one is more probably the closer one to being correct, but it might not be the case - it's just a probability.
However, as simple" as God of Gaps is as an explanation to everything from thunderbolt and lightning to how computers work, it's simply not a valid scientific hypothesis as long as it's just a gap filled with Wizard, which means that inteligent dasein and creationism are not even worth an argument really, as long as they don't have accurate, fundamentally falsifiable data about the manipulator, designer or God.
Occam's razor works fine when the hypotheses are made on similar level. Comparing evolution and creationism is the same as would be comparing gravity in general theory of relativity and Aristotle's mechanics.
On metaphysical level you could, however, use the Occam's razor to compare the idea of the universe spontaneously spawning into existence, as opposed to the concept of universe requiring something or someone (aka God) to wish it into existence and make it so. The claims are, so to speak, on same level with each other, and so it is possible to compare them to each other with Occam's razor; they also have about the same amount of falsifiability (except that universe proves it's existence all the time, while a separate God being does not).
Quite obviously the latter version is more complex since it involves more variables and doesn't reduce the amount of unanswered questions. Which means that from scientific point of view, universe becoming into existence on it's own is more probable explanation than God hypothesis.
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inteligent dasein
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It won't work Bobb. There are only 3-4 people left who might argue against evolution and most of them have done it before and had their arses handed back to them for trying.
The rest of us have more or less decided there are more fun things to do than trying to hammer a brick wall through a computer screen, like spending time with the girl I love which is totally awesome. :D
Well, what do you know, I've evolved, I guess there is a little truth to evolution after all. :p
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What I don't understand is how the Laws of Physics precludes the existence of a Creator.
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What I don't understand is how the Laws of Physics precludes the existence of a Creator.
it's not really 'precludes the existence'
it's that there is no evidence, so we go on assuming there isn't any Creator because there's no reason to believe there is.
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Before the thread gets too boring
(http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt165/DilmahG/Evolution.jpg)
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That image is flawed.
Uruk-Hai were confirmed result of Inteligent Dasein [I knew I had seen that somewhere, Ford, but for all the powers of the universe couldn't remember where!]; it could be even accurately said that A Wizard Did It. More specifically, Sauron the Witch used Orcs as source material, and no one really has clear idea what the Orcs are - some claim they are corrupted Eldar; from this pool of genetic material Sauron created the first Uruks, and Saruman the White made them even harder, better, faster, stronger and resistant to sunlight as well, presumably by combining features from the race of Men or by some other magicks - he was most likely capable of great things as a Maia, even though his powers were not comparable to Sauron's.
On the other hand, the typical member of the Race of Men shown on the lower part of the image was the second race of [sentient] beings created by Eru Ilúvatar, the One God of cosmos and creator of Arda and all the Ainur and Valar. This process is largely hidden, but from the end results it's clearly apparent that Ilúvatar did better job.
Regardless, the argument completely fails because Men did not evolve from Uruk-Hai, and looting is a very common behaviour in almost all species that come upon a large, abandoned stash of goods, not to mention very common in war time with or without rules of engagement in place.
Furthermore, the date that the author gives for Uruk-Hai performing looting is completely unrealistic; by that time, all Uruk had been either extinct or in hiding for a long time, and no reports of them are in historic records from that time.
So you see, I verily suspect the credibility of this claim that looting has evolved, and even more so the evolution of looters.
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I just got the image from a chain mail okay :P
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Uruk-Hai were confirmed result of Inteligent Dasein [I knew I had seen that somewhere, Ford, but for all the powers of the universe couldn't remember where!;.............
And I thought I was a nerd.........
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Why are we discussing the Uruk-hai? Tolkien's works belong to a totally unrealistic genre.
Some say we evolved from apes. <---wrong
Some say God created us from earth. <---partially right
truth is:
Our ancestors came from outer space some 150000 years ago, with space ships led by a huge Battlestar.
The origin of our race is Kobol, where God created us.
He also has a plan for us, it seems it involves nukes ( and for some very strange reason Snuffleupagus ), not sure though.
That's the truth. Face it. :P
Please keep that horrible thing out of this board. It fails even as a joke.
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it's a fact in the same way the 'the earth is flat' is a fact, science was wrong about that and it's wrong about evolution.
This is actually a myth about the Medieval era which is actually quite untrue. They were aware that the world was round.
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Have you talked to the Flat Earth Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society) recently?
In other news, several trolls have been sighted lurking in the evolution argument thread. Readers are advised not to feed them.
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This is actually a myth about the Medieval era which is actually quite untrue. They were aware that the world was round.
1) The world isn't round :nervous:;
2) The myth is actually true. At the time of Galileo Galilei opposite theories had pretty much the same importance and debates were progressing. Galileo was simply condemnded for his overconfidence.
Pretty much the same thing happened to Columbus. Everyone knew that Earth wasn't flat back then - the issue was about reaching India by heading west (it wasn't supposed to be a wise move). Colombus' calculations were also bogus... had not been for the presence of the American continent his mission would have turned into a total failure. Let's say that he was lucky in finding a previously unexplored (uh, Vikings?) continent halfway to Asia. :D
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Some say we evolved from apes. <---wrong
Some say God created us from earth. <---partially right
truth is:
Our ancestors came from outer space some 150000 years ago, with space ships led by a huge Battlestar.
The origin of our race is Kobol, where God created us.
He also has a plan for us, it seems it involves nukes ( and for some very strange reason Snuffleupagus ), not sure though.
That's the truth. Face it. :P
Please keep that horrible thing out of this board. It fails even as a joke.
Actually, it saves a pointless thread from falling in total meaninglessness. :P
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THE PICTURE WAS AWESOME
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Actually, it saves a pointless thread from falling in total meaninglessness. :P
No because a comment like that is even more pointless. It's also disturbing. :p
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Actually, it saves a pointless thread from falling in total meaninglessness. :P
No because a comment like that is even more pointless. It's also disturbing. :p
The truth is always...disturbing :P
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Meh.
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it's a fact in the same way the 'the earth is flat' is a fact, science was wrong about that and it's wrong about evolution.
I'm desperately hoping you're just using that as an inflammatory remark in a facetious manner... because if you're not, I suggest you prepare yourself for a serious schooling in history, the scientific method, evolutionary theory, and modern genetics.
I have another week before I go back to work and I have a lot of free time on my hands. Don't mess with me :p
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This whole thread is quickly devolving into a sizeable joke already...
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I'm desperately hoping you're just using that as an inflammatory remark in a facetious manner... because if you're not, I suggest you prepare yourself for a serious schooling in history, the scientific method, evolutionary theory, and modern genetics.
I have another week before I go back to work and I have a lot of free time on my hands. Don't mess with me :p
you can't not undisprove that evolution didn't not happen!
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I'm desperately hoping you're just using that as an inflammatory remark in a facetious manner... because if you're not, I suggest you prepare yourself for a serious schooling in history, the scientific method, evolutionary theory, and modern genetics.
I have another week before I go back to work and I have a lot of free time on my hands. Don't mess with me :p
you can't not undisprove that evolution didn't not happen!
Ow.
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take that you evolutionoigist! evolution didn't make the universe like you say god did it, and in 6 days 2543 years ago!
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The main thing is: If god exists, where did he come from?
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You know guys, we could've just said "We have no ****ing idea" instead of making up religion. But we had to delusion ourselves into thinking we had the answers, and now look at the mess we've made. :C
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Study stuff like Geology and you'd learn. I was all against Creationism and now that I'm attending my specific courses my position is strengthening.
Religion isn't anything near to Nature in terms of fascination, complexity, variety, coolness, etc. etc.. Saying "God created everything as we know it, evolution didn't occur" is an insult to billions of years of interesting events.
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I agree with Mobius, strange...
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Study stuff like Geology and you'd learn. I was all against Creationism and now that I'm attending my specific courses my position is strengthening.
Religion isn't anything near to Nature in terms of fascination, complexity, variety, coolness, etc. etc.. Saying "God created everything as we know it, evolution didn't occur" is an insult to billions of years of interesting events.
Bolded stuff is an insult to any thinking religious person too.
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There aren't very many of those, unfortunately.
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Study stuff like Geology and you'd learn. I was all against Creationism and now that I'm attending my specific courses my position is strengthening.
Religion isn't anything near to Nature in terms of fascination, complexity, variety, coolness, etc. etc.. Saying "God created everything as we know it, evolution didn't occur" is an insult to billions of years of interesting events.
Bolded stuff is an insult to any thinking religious person too.
Not really. If they were thinking about it they'd stop with the dogmatic bull**** and realise that the six day creation story in the bible could be symbolic and thus wouldn't directly contradict evolution.
It's only people who refuse to think about their own religion beyond the words on a page who come up with comments like the one you bolded.
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I repeat, those bolded words are an insult to a really thinking religious person. Perhaps it is possible that I haven't posted "the six day creation story is symbolic," but I thought I had.
(Hmmm, I may be taking this the wrong way. It occurs to me that your comment might not apply to me be directed at me for being an idiot.)
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And I repeat that is they are denying the existence of evolution, they aren't doing much thinking.
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My stance is this:
God did create everything. We don't know how long ago it was. Evolution is a crock. Show me something that is between a reptile and a bird, the intermediary stage. Hell, even a fossil would work.
You don't believe in God because there is no empirical evidence.
I don't believe in Evolution, which BTW a lot of people treat like a religion with this scientist or that biologist as the High Priest, without empirical evidence.
Faith works both ways people.
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Evolution is a crock.
(http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/you_win_the_prize.jpg)
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Felli is not amused.
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