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I just got back from watching the film and I can say that 3 different types of people will emerge from the cinema:
1. Those who have never (or hardly) watched Trek before, they will have enjoyed themselves,
2. Those who know Trek quite well and could nitpick the film to death, but still enjoyed it cause they new to switch their brains off just after sitting down.
and 3. NERD RAGE!!!!!11
Is Star Trek the one with the big glowy circle thing?
Couldn't be more true.Quote from: YahtzeeFans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never, EVER, be grateful for anything that you do.
Incidently, why not buy a Zero Punctuation t-shirt?
I like the "Press X to not die" one, personally. :P
Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never, EVER, be grateful for anything that you do.
There is no way in hell the fans would have been able to like this movie. Because they are fans.
IMO from the trailers I've seen and the positive reviews, its a movie I might actually go to the theater to watch. Those space battle scene clips were like orgasm injected directly into the brain.
i am a fan, and i like the movie. theory destroyed.
It is ****ing awful on every level.
And not even just for Trek fans.
It is unremittingly ****ing horrible in every regard. Be it having Nokia product placement slammed into your face 12 minutes in, the constant lens flares on every-****ing-thing, the ****ty dialogue, the complete inability to create characters anyone gives a **** about, destroying what should be deeply emotional scenes with ****ty music and piss-poor execution, the fact that no shot is filmed more than 2ft from any character's face, the need to switch to a shot of a spaceship every 30 seconds, the fact that every single shot (without exception) is a rainbow of glossy colours and pretty lights, the complete lack of any true violence, Uhura being the most prominent female with a whole 5 minutes of screen time, Nero's lameass and poorly constructed motivations and horrifically simplistic backstory... It's just awful.
I hate this move almost as much as King Arthur, King Kong and Episode 3.
And the **** on the ice planet...? Hell, why not just give him a ****ing Tauntaun and have him kill the big Yeti creature with his lightsabre?
Speaking of which, when the bigger alien comes along and eats the Yeti thing - what possible ****ing reason could they have had for thinking that the best creature design for an alien on an ice planet would be based around lizards and spiders? C'z as you're all aware, those creatures do amazing in cold environments.
The entire film is just an unrelenting onslaught of cheap, tacky bull**** and fancy effects.
You remember Superman Returns and how ****ty that turned out to be? It's that. They might as well have cast Brandon Routh as Kirk and let him rape another movie franchise into the ground.
And if you're a fan, it's worse than if you're just a regular moviegoer. Because they've clearly packed in just enough to pretend like they know what the **** was going on in the franchise prior to this reboot, and they've pandered to you just enough to gain the support of the fanbois as they girlishly scream at every backreference to classic Trek - but then they go right the **** ahead and kill the entire spirit of everything that went before.
You wanna start fresh - then start fresh. Don't start fresh and then pansy the **** out and take just enough backsteps to whore to the old fanbase for the sake of marketing and box office figures.
It's just another in a long line of movies made purely for profit and to whore out old ideas to new idiots with sparkly CGI and and overly pretty (98% male) cast.
I'd rather take a rake to the face than watch that **** again.
seeing Phasers used defensively? Awesome.
i cant compare the new movie to nemesis until i see it, of course. so im waiting for some geek with a hat cam to record it off the movie screen and put it up on pirate bay so i can watch it. i just know that nemesis is like very low on the list of my favorite star trek movies/shows.Wait, you are going to watch a big screen movie with big part of it's appeal relying on the stunning visual and sound effects as a blurry, shaky, skewed and poor resolution avi some jackass recorded on a backwater theater? You are kinda missing the whole point you know :P
It was fun to watch, and there were many moments that I enjoyed, but I basically feel betrayed as a fan. They basically shredded the existing continuity and then crapped all over it. And the worst thing is that they can't pass it off as a harmless alternate timeline, because they present it as the actual timeline produced as a direct result of events in the timeline we knew up until now.
Ugh. So torn. I share the general belief that as a film, it was good. Lots of action, occasional proper funny bits, people actually dying and whatnot. But so many things were just wrong with it. I know it's a reboot and I know that the second time around it'll be better, once they've gotten rid of all the exposition and the getting of the crew together, but still... was a solid film, but a very weak Star Trek.
Oh, and yeah, anon's right about the dialogue. I remember wincing more than a time or two. A lot of the actors were able to rise above the lines they had to say, but still...
Echoing what seems to be a fairly common sentiment around the internet, the new McCoy was awesome, but the new Uhura was pretty rubbish. What the hell was the deal - She refuses to tell Kirk her first name for three years, and he never just looks her up or something? I'll accept that as maybe a ref to the fact that she only had one name in TOS, but why did they have to pair her off with Spock? I'd've been happier to see nothing significant done with Uhura until the next movie that shoehorn her into the script in an odd and totally off character way.
Black Wolf, I'm frightened.The same way that this movie was about V'Ger?
The next movie will be about Kahn (that's my guess)
I wanted to scream at the end of the movie. Yes, ti was a good contained film; but it didn't make sense. I feel that, even though a lot of things you hear on Star Trek are made up, they make sense in-universe when explaining things.
There were some things in this movie that just made me want to scream.
- Jettisoning a rebelious crewmember?
- Coincidently finding Spock on Hoth?
- A supernova which can destroy the galaxy (yes he said it)
- Nero has to destroy Spock's homeworlds because...Spcok got caught in traffic in the 24th century?
- Uhura + Spock = WTF have you ever watched TOS?
- Star Wars-y weapons (bolts not beams)
- Hyperspace!
- The Ferengi-dar with Scotty
If you're not a Trek fan, and you like this movie based on it's own individual merits, then you're a ****ing retard who doesn't deserve the power to shape the entertainment industry inherent in your being allowed to buy a ****ing ticket.
It was actually worse than Phantom Menace in terms of pure cinema, so get ready for an absolute cluster**** of bull**** and faggotry when every half-capable director decides that after that sack of crap movie they won't touch the franchise with a ****ing barge pole.
What would a Star Trek film have to do to be worthy not only of YOUR money, but also be successfull enough to make making another one a good business proposition?
You're right, mine's worth more because I know what I'm talking about. Everyone is not a special little butterfly whose opinions are as equally valid as everyone else's. Because most people are just idiots.
When you've watched Citizen Kane and hundreds of subtitled foreign movies - and rewatched movies you've hated just so you can "give the cinematography a second chance" - then maybe you can attempt to patronize me.
Till then, I remain singularly right.
I bought Starship Troopers 2 and have seen the third one three times
And my point about Starship Troopers is that they didn't even try to adhere to the books.
an0n, best thing I think you could do right now would be to f*ck off and let the people who aren't hate-filled auto-trolls legitimately have intelligent conversation.Actually, an0n made some legitimate criticisms of the movie. I share many of them. He used Starship Troopers as an example of films he's watched and compared them to Star Trek. I have no idea why you're going off on this epileptic fit, but you need to calm down.
The only things missing from the movie are power armor, a true feel for the length of the war, and the ethical/moral deliberations. It does try to adhere.Actually, it doesn't.
QuoteAnd my point about Starship Troopers is that they didn't even try to adhere to the books.
Are you kidding? Rico signs up, proceeds to screw up, gets punished, bugs hit Buenos Aires with a meteor, MI gets its ass kicked on Klendathu, then they start with lesser planets. The only things missing from the movie are power armor, a true feel for the length of the war, and the ethical/moral deliberations. It does try to adhere. However, it also adds a little romance between Rico and Dizzy, and Rico and Carmen (in the books, the first is a guy with a paragraph to his name, and Carmen isn't interested).
Which brings me back to Star Trek. It didn't even try to adhere to the books (I mean, really, they turned it into an alternate reality setup. Where the hell is that in the main story of the books?). New backstories, different technologies, jumping the cadets to bridge crew (roughly analogous to cutting the length, see above). The two movies are almost the same in what they followed and what they didn't. The Uhura and Spock thing is almost the same as the Rico and Carmen little flick.
i cant compare the new movie to nemesis until i see it, of course. so im waiting for some geek with a hat cam to record it off the movie screen and put it up on pirate bay so i can watch it. i just know that nemesis is like very low on the list of my favorite star trek movies/shows.Wait, you are going to watch a big screen movie with big part of it's appeal relying on the stunning visual and sound effects as a blurry, shaky, skewed and poor resolution avi some jackass recorded on a backwater theater? You are kinda missing the whole point you know :P
QuoteAnd my point about Starship Troopers is that they didn't even try to adhere to the books.
Are you kidding?
However, an0n, stop talking. You're already wrong. You were wrong before you opened your mouth in fact. See, naming a movie after an existing franchise carries certain expectations. (As has been touched on in this thread.) These were never met. The movie is not a brillant political satire. The director admitted that he'd never read enough of the book to even get to that point of the message; so it's not a satire, it's the trainwreck it looks like. The book's message is not pro-military but anti-disarmament, and also explicitly anti-communist (Heinlein literally stated at one point communism is okay for the Bugs because they're evolved for it, but humans aren't). The movie also of course missed other central themes of the book about how a good military force is built and what its function is.
So, go back and read it again. And check your damn facts about the production team.
well its better than waiting several months for it to come out on dvd. we dont exactly have a movie theater here. and id like to see it while its still fresh so i can participate in the discussion of it.Ah, my bad then.
I'm curious as to what Abrams thinks the word 'slave' actually means...
Anyways, it's pretty established that Orion slave girls are actually a mix of whores and manipulative *****es - and yet he decided to just paint some ***** green and stick her in her undies for no ****ing reason other than to make fanbois go "OMG! ORION SLAVE GIRL!"
Explain to me how any of that counters anything I said.
Heinlein avoids any significant discussion of the details of the political system's functioning, reserving his attention, instead, for questions of why someone might choose to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
"Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved eight hundred lives, including your mother's and yours. I dare you to do better."
I'd've preferred a plot worthy of the immense marketing budget.
I actually intend to, if I ever have money.
But given my previous and persistent epic failure to not suck at life, the idea is currently being superceded by my "kill myself" plan.
**** that. Graft a Desert Eagle to your forearm. That'd be badass.
Gentlemen, the topic? You can take this to PM.
Gentlemen, the topic? You can take this to PM.
If derailing was against the rules, Gen Disc would have 4 topics left open.
**** that. Graft a Desert Eagle to your forearm. That'd be badass.
Besides, am I the only one here who doesn't know anything about Star Trek?
**** that. Graft a Desert Eagle to your forearm. That'd be badass.
Wrong, the proper thing to graft is obviously a chainsaw
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Gentlemen, the topic? You can take this to PM.
If derailing was against the rules, Gen Disc would have 4 topics left open.
I'm in no danger of jumping all over it and locking it or anything, but I think we can agree a thread on an0n's suicide plans should maybe be discouraged.
If you're taking it that seriously, you're either 1) being trolled. duh. or 2) fail to realize that nothing you could say would change his mind, and are a terrible human being for not alerting helpful authorities.
**** that. Graft a Desert Eagle to your forearm. That'd be badass.
Wrong, the proper thing to graft is obviously a chainsaw
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1. you have 2 arms, why not both?
2. derailing things is cool. I don't want see that cable shows about trains that don't derail :headz:
And a Bruce Campbell mask to your face, clearly.
Gentlemen, the topic? You can take this to PM.
If derailing was against the rules, Gen Disc would have 4 topics left open.
I'm in no danger of jumping all over it and locking it or anything, but I think we can agree a thread on an0n's suicide plans should maybe be discouraged.
If you're taking it that seriously, you're either 1) being trolled. duh. or 2) fail to realize that nothing you could say would change his mind, and are a terrible human being for not alerting helpful authorities.
...am I the only one who thinks that most of ST went downhill somewhere in the middle of TNG?
BTW: I'm glad an0n is contributing again. He's the one True Troll who actually makes clever comments meant to infuriate you, whereas the rest is just spouting inflammatory but stupid gravel.
If you're taking it that seriously, you're either 1) being trolled. duh. or 2) fail to realize that nothing you could say would change his mind, and are a terrible human being for not alerting helpful authorities.
He didn't even post the one full of underage girls and boys and me and turambar in our undies on the forum. He just linked it in irc. *tsk*
BTW: I'm glad an0n is contributing again. He's the one True Troll who actually makes clever comments meant to infuriate you, whereas the rest is just spouting inflammatory but stupid gravel.
I'm starting to think the only reason why y'all suck him off so much is that you're afraid of getting H4)(0r3DzZZz. Except the man hasn't even done anything exciting lately. The Iamzack photos had potential but died pretty quick.
It's not even like there's any gay people on HLP to get offended