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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: karajorma on October 23, 2009, 10:29:08 pm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8322322.stm
BNP leader Nick Griffin is to complain to the BBC over his controversial appearance on Question Time, saying he had faced a "lynch mob".
Anyone else find that as ****ing hilarious as I do?
Note for non-brits
Mr Griffin, who was one of two BNP candidates to be elected to the European Parliament earlier this year, faced robust questioning about his views on race, immigration and the Holocaust from a largely hostile audience.
He criticised Islam, defended a past head of the Ku Klux Klan but insisted that he was "not a Nazi".
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Well, technically he's not a Nazi. I don't know who the heck he is, so he might be a Nationalist Socialist, but he's certainly not German worker.
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Yeah, I don't see him getting into the Deutches part.
Of course, he's probably a neo-Nazi, as that is not bound by birth country.
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Frankly, he looks likes like an over-inflated rubber Hitler...
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Anyone else find that as ****ing hilarious as I do?
Now that I know who he is, indeed. :D
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Yeah, I don't see him getting into the Deutches part.
Of course, he's probably a neo-Nazi, as that is not bound by birth country.
You don't necessarily need to be a neo-nazi to be a right wing super nutter.....
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Yes, but considering who I'm talking about, do you really think he isn't?
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Point taken.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8322322.stm
BNP leader Nick Griffin is to complain to the BBC over his controversial appearance on Question Time, saying he had faced a "lynch mob".
Anyone else find that as ****ing hilarious as I do?
I just watched the whole show yesterday, and unfortunately in my opinion that's a pretty good description of how he was treated most of the time. Half of the panelists themselves were pretty much just insulting him outright half the time, which is just stupid when it's supposed to be a civil discussion no matter who you're having the discussion with. Not to mention those couple of infantile rants from the audience. At least it wasn't a total disaster all the time, as a couple of times he was actually allowed to speak about something relevant and make a fool of himself.
The guy is so clearly an idiot that it should be bloody easy to win any debate with him by actually, you know, debating instead of acting like a 5-year old and just hitting him with your toy shovel because you don't like him.
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Problem is, the Government, by constantly trying to whitewash him, have actually helped increase his fame, they blame the BBC, but he wouldn't even have been a viable condidate were it not for the level of 'shut him up!' coming from MPs.
I think Griffin is an idiot, but, he does show the Government up in some ways, because he, in his idiotic manner, approaches subjects that the Government is too busy denying to actually make policies on or even accept exist, he does show the Governments' head in the sand attitude.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support Griffin, or any of his views, but when people are standing outside the BBC, claiming to be 'anti-fascist', whilst, at the same, demanding the arbitrary silencing of an opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is (and remember, Griffin has an MEP seat, which adds credibility whether people like it or not), then I get worried, I don't know who these people are trying to protect, but their actions are not those of anti-facists, quite the opposite, in fact.
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What would have been funny whould have been if no-one, audience and other guests had refused to show up or just ignored him completely on the show, refusing to even agknowledge his existance
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I just watched the whole show yesterday, and unfortunately in my opinion that's a pretty good description of how he was treated most of the time. Half of the panelists themselves were pretty much just insulting him outright half the time, which is just stupid when it's supposed to be a civil discussion no matter who you're having the discussion with. Not to mention those couple of infantile rants from the audience. At least it wasn't a total disaster all the time, as a couple of times he was actually allowed to speak about something relevant and make a fool of himself.
The guy is so clearly an idiot that it should be bloody easy to win any debate with him by actually, you know, debating instead of acting like a 5-year old and just hitting him with your toy shovel because you don't like him.
I saw the show and I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I did notice that whenever the only 2 or 3 supportive members of the audience applauded him, other members would glance back, practically scowling at them and the one person who dared raise his voice and give verbal support was practically ignored by the panel. There has been talk that the BBC rushed a number of audience members through the checking process so they could have a much more 'diverse' audience. I don't support the BNP but I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC was asking potential audience members "Do you hate the BNP? Yes? Good, you get in. Do you hate the BNP? No? Get lost." Obviously one or two people lied when asked that question :drevil:
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If you don't hate the BNP, you are a fool and a failure as a human being.
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If you don't hate the BNP, you are a fool and a failure as a human being.
I don't hate the BNP. I don't know what it and its acronym stand for, either. :ick:
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If memory serves, it stands for British National Party and it's pretty much a catch all for the nitwits, dunderheads and scumbags that the Democratic party and certain segments of the Republicans catch over here.
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The BNP is a far-right, xenophobic, overtly racist political party. So... no, memory does not serve.
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Ah. Much like Dekker and the Zod-hating GTI. :P
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If memory serves, it stands for British National Party and it's pretty much a catch all for the nitwits, dunderheads and scumbags that the Democratic party and certain segments of the Republicans catch over here.
Sorry, Liberator, but if you transplanted those people here, they'd be what the Republican party calls its "base"
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Turambar, before you start throwing mud, how about you actually get to know some real conservatives before you pronounce judgement that everyone not in perfect agreement with you is stupid and uneducated and can be safely ignored.
I, and most actual conservatives, want what's best for the good ol' US of A and the people living here. Such does not include massive government programs(and the taxes that come with them)that result in an oligarchy in function if not name.
Every time, EVERY THRICE DAMNED TIME, one of you yahoos talks about conservatives we're racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant and about two dozen more adjectives that I'm not going to bother typing. I'm sick of it.
I don't know this man that is being harrangued and having his character assassinated, nor do I care to, all I can see is a bunch of sterotypical liberals passing off they're opposition by pulling out the race card. I AM SICK OF IT.
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In their defense, they are perfectly justified with this man.
I am in agreement with you on the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant and about two dozen more adjectives that I'm not going to bother typing. I'm sick of it.
^ this part.
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"BAWWW a vocal idiotic minority is making me look bad!"
You and everyone else, guys.
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In their defense, they are perfectly justified with this man.
I am in agreement with you on the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant and about two dozen more adjectives that I'm not going to bother typing. I'm sick of it.
^ this part.
How do you explain why the vast majority of those people vote Republican? :p
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I don't know this man that is being harrangued and having his character assassinated, nor do I care to, all I can see is a bunch of sterotypical liberals passing off they're opposition by pulling out the race card. I AM SICK OF IT.
Eh, it would probably help if you did know who this man is. The BNP has an explicitly white nationalist platform. They don't even make a cynical pretense otherwise. Do you really think the liberal "race card" is pertinent?
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In their defense, they are perfectly justified with this man.
I am in agreement with you on the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant and about two dozen more adjectives that I'm not going to bother typing. I'm sick of it.
^ this part.
How do you explain why the vast majority of those people vote Republican? :p
You however, have also failed to recognize the fact that there's a great many half-wits who vote Democrat as well. The two party system is so stale...
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The two partys are so stale...
Fixed FOR GREAT JUSTICE! :D
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The two parties are so stale...
Fix0red for the GRAMMAR INQUISITION!
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Let's all get hammered!
Fix0red for the GRAMMAR INQUISITION!
Fixed for being more fun. :p
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I don't know this man that is being harrangued and having his character assassinated, nor do I care to, all I can see is a bunch of sterotypical liberals passing off they're opposition by pulling out the race card. I AM SICK OF IT.
You know what Liberator, you need to shut the **** up about things you don't understand or actually do some research on the subject. The BNP are a racist party. This is not a liberal opinion. They refuse to have anyone who isn't white in their party. Their manifesto included such gems as repatriation of anyone who wasn't white. Several members have openly stated that they are racist in the past.
So kindly educate yourself or spare us your ignorant views on the matter.
I just watched the whole show yesterday, and unfortunately in my opinion that's a pretty good description of how he was treated most of the time.
I agree. I was mostly laughing at the irony of a man who defends the KKK complaining about facing a lynch mob. :p
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I voted for Nick Griffin :nervous:
I'm joking :lol: The BBC is the only one in the topic i'll fdefend, their impartiality is completely justified, i saw question time and that young Jewish chap in the crowd made Nick look like the complete asshat he is.
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I am not a racist, BUT
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I am not a racist, BUT
Why do you do that?
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Turambar, before you start throwing mud, how about you actually get to know some real conservatives before you pronounce judgement that everyone not in perfect agreement with you is stupid and uneducated and can be safely ignored.
I didn't say conservative, I said Republican.
social conservatives are the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant.
fiscal conservatives have no representation in the US government.
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You've got it pretty damn wrong there, High Max. You're pretty much the only one who condescends to and participates in namecalling for no other reason than people disagreeing with you.
People like you and Liberator don't get called stupid for disagreeing, you get called stupid when you act stupid and say demonstratively and objectively stupid things.
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Example of an inane, pointless post which adds nothing to discussion and, in fact, detracts from reasonable debate. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66248.msg1308106#msg1308106)
Yeah, that **** makes you look stupid.
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It is important to consider the point of view of others, no matter how unfounded. It's a way to compensate for human heuristic flaws.
However, factual errors and incomplete reasoning will damage your credibility no matter what your beliefs.
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I voted for Nick Griffin :nervous:
Me too.
But the vote was on who should be shot into the sun. :p
I'm joking :lol: The BBC is the only one in the topic i'll fdefend, their impartiality is completely justified
Yep, sad as it is that they have to give airtime to a wanker like Griffin their mandate clearly says that they have to. Worth pointing out next time someone complains about the BBC having a liberal bias too.
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Ehh, the BBC may have been a little biased back in the 80s and 90s but they've been getting progressively better during my life time.
Certainly now, beyond a bias to 'the city', they're not really ones to favour anything/one.
As for the BNP and Nick Griffin.....
Don't get me started :<
I will rage for hours, days!
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social conservatives are the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant.
How could you come to that conclusion? Have you met any? Or are you going by what some Professor who has an agenda said.
A true social conservative believes in the things that typically make they're culture stronger such as family values, moral leadership and true justice, not politically expedient justice or assention to mob thinking about a crime to win brownie points with a particular demographic.
A true social conservative would reject a bigot of any flavor simply because they're it's not moral to hate anyone.
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Jesus titty****ing Christ....
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Translation follows...
Family values: codeword for "defense of marriage" and other acts against alternative styles of living, including but not limited to homosexuality, single parents, polyamory, and extra-marital affairs. Proponents of family values frequently reject even the concept of being bisexual to boot, believing it's not possible.
Moral leadership: Starting wars in Iraq with false cause. More broadly, the belief that there is no such thing as dangerous power when it is in the hands of a moral man. A decidedly un-Constitutional concept and something the Bill of Rights categorically rejects by its mere existence. Foolish as well, for even social conservatives generally agree no man is fit for absolute power.
True justice: The rejection of moral relativism, which is itself very poorly defined and only used by the social conservative set.
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I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America? :p
This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.
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social conservatives are the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant.
How could you come to that conclusion? Have you met any? Or are you going by what some Professor who has an agenda said.
A true social conservative believes in the things that typically make they're culture stronger such as family values, moral leadership and true justice, not politically expedient justice or assention to mob thinking about a crime to win brownie points with a particular demographic.
A true social conservative would reject a bigot of any flavor simply because they're it's not moral to hate anyone.
Social conservatives do tend to score higher on implicit association tests for bias.
Your thoughts?
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Those tests were obviously conducted by liberals!
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I'd actually like to retract that statement. It was, upon reflection, totally unfounded. Furthermore, IAT results can't be cleanly turned into 'indicators of prejudice.'
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I see where Lib is coming from, even though I only read the last post.
hmmm
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I just realised how eerie all the Zod hate was leading up to this. . . . I'm not changing my stance though.
I do however feel that somebody shouldn't be a target of prejudice due to race (although in a unintelligent mind that normally boils down to the colour of skin) i'd rather see someone punished because of their actions. With proof over allegation mind you.
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It was a good call telling folks to get this back on topic, what with it being about UK politics an' all.
Just a quick note, from an old rightie. The BNP is not right wing. Really. That bunch are socialists. National(ist?) Socialists. No self-respecting rightie is going to even consider going there unless it's a two-horse runoff from hell between them and Crash Gordon (with his lovely assistants Mandy and Darling). Bloody Hector that's a horrible thought - "Sodomy or nail-pulling sir?"
http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright
If you look at a political map of Blighty over the last few years (blimey it's hard typing when you've have too much wine), you'll notice that the BNP does best in the traditionally Labour (spit) areas. Down in the Conservative heartland they're all protest-voting UKIP.
(Now a lot of folks dinnae like the UKIP, but the BNP they ain't. Let's give them that.)
Strictly speaking, going from their policies and attitudes and such like, the BNP is an authoritarian left party. Check out their manifesto if you like (although that bit of their site is a bit shagged right now).
http://www.bnp.org.uk
Anyway, now I've given the non-Brits a bit of background, back to debating the BBC's (hack spit) coverage.
You know, what disappointed me the most - as much as it didn't surprise me - was the ganging up. Yes we know the BNP doesn't like foreigners and coloured folk much. That simply isn't news. Question Time was an opportunity to engage them on a level playing field, not just on policy but on how to actually implement that policy in the real world, and the twerps they wheeled in there completely passed it by. Tossers.
We could have had a wonderful debate, parties putting forth proposals and explanations of how they would work in the real world... and I can bet ol' Nick would've struggled to deliver.
But then, alas, our mainstream is made up of such intellectual and moral lightweights as Jack Straw. Let's face it: from a policy point of view, no Labour flunky is going to shine either.
Sadly, all this episode really did was to highlight the utterly shameful state of British politics. No wonder the bloody BNP got extra interest afterward.
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The recession started elsewhere but that's besides the point.
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Well they like blaming USA for it. Personally I don't think that really excuses us doing a lemming off the cliff after them. Not when you consider how much all these minister guys get paid to look after the bloody shop.
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I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America? :p
This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.
Didn't you hear? Britain is the 51st state..... :p
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I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America? :p
This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.
Didn't you hear? Britain is the 1st state..... :p
fixt :P