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Title: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 25, 2009, 12:26:40 pm
Doctor Who xmas special is on now.
 
The Masters back and he turned into that hoodie bloke from prototype.
 
What's with that?
Title: Re: The Master! Best prototype rip-off ever. . . . NOT.
Post by: Kosh on December 26, 2009, 03:41:28 am
I heard the new doctor who series is just going to be a total reboot.....
Title: Re: The Master! Best prototype rip-off ever. . . . NOT.
Post by: Ashrak on December 26, 2009, 07:33:54 am
THE END OF TIIIIIMEEEE UGAAAAA BUGGAAAA BUU.
Title: Re: The Master! Best prototype rip-off ever. . . . NOT.
Post by: Fineus on December 26, 2009, 07:38:41 am
Yeah but... one word.

Gallifrey.

****. Yes.
Title: Re: The Master! Best prototype rip-off ever. . . . NOT.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 26, 2009, 10:54:05 am
As led by James Bond to boot ;)
Title: Re: The Master! Best prototype rip-off ever. . . . NOT.
Post by: Liberator on December 26, 2009, 05:32:43 pm
Well, seems like the Railyard wins after all...
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 01, 2010, 01:08:58 pm
The Lord President kicks butt!
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Dark Knight on January 01, 2010, 01:56:57 pm
I may or may not have cried a bit towards the end.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: starbug on January 01, 2010, 02:09:59 pm
Yeah wow! i liked how they referred back to the original idea of the master saving the doctors life in what would have been Roger Delgado's final appearance of the master with the 3rd doctor had he himself not sadly passed away. What happened to the master, did he go back with the time lords? My only complaint is i think they dragged the ending on abit to much. David tennant, John sim and Bernard Cribbins where pure awesome and Bernard's acting, nearly had me in tears! Just a shame we couldn't get a wee preview of the next series.

PS I think Matt Smith is going to be a brillant at the role, don't care what anyone else says.
 
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 01, 2010, 02:58:50 pm
Yeah same. People tend to fanwank tenant too much. I for one am looking forward to this new take on it. More importantly I want a return of the fit- eyecandy brand of companion :D
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: starbug on January 01, 2010, 03:00:59 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/ new series trailer and it looks goooooooooood and as everyone has guessed the daleks are back agian.

Weres the mondasian Cybermen???  :(
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: IceFire on January 01, 2010, 10:24:51 pm
I think the ending was pretty wonderful in retrospect.

Spoiler:
I was a really nice way to bring everyone back for one last hurrah without making it seem quite so forced.  I also think it was great that he went back to before the Doctor met Rose.  That was sort of a neat way to do things and end things off.

On another note I'm really grateful for a series like Doctor Who.  Getting into it I found it a bit weird and off the beaten track compared to what I was used to but my father was a huge fan back in the day and I've really latched on to it.  The Doctor is the kind of character that you can't help but like... still one of those larger than life characters and something that I find we sometimes lack right now.  Someone to aspire to. Sounds a bit corny but with everything going on right now... it's a nice thing to have.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: headdie on January 02, 2010, 12:17:58 pm
aaaarrrgggggg...... more darleks.

look yes the darleks are cool and everything but i am getting sick of them being rehashed, i mean went they wiped out in their entirety last time??????

its just that i am getting bored of its either the darleks or the cybermen for the series badguys, can we please have a new one.  for example going back a few series when rose met cpt jack he mentioned a time agency, can we have some of them going rogue, heck i wouldn't mind seeing more of the santarens (apologies for spelling)  just please can we have something new.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Inquisitor on January 02, 2010, 06:36:49 pm
D A L E K S

;)

And timewars are funny that way :)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_mmG3hr30cSM/Sy5MXcan4HI/AAAAAAAAAiw/crq_fjnbF0s/s400/20091220110829.jpg)
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 02, 2010, 06:39:51 pm
Been a while since a wholly original race came along though since the Rhino police. . . . I want more Rhino Police. Yo jo po so so po to!
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: headdie on January 02, 2010, 06:48:32 pm
Been a while since a wholly original race came along though since the Rhino police. . . . I want more Rhino Police. Yo jo po so so po to!

thats kind of what i am getting at, in the last few series the only group non human that has been developed at all is the ood what some of the other groups out there
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Ashrak on January 02, 2010, 06:54:31 pm
dr who = running lots of running and then repats of battles with old enemies. daleks and cybermen have been whiped out more times than the jedi.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 02, 2010, 06:57:42 pm
Yeah but Cyberking was hot wasn't she. . . 
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: headdie on January 02, 2010, 07:10:56 pm
Yeah but Cyberking was hot wasn't she. . . 

yes verry true

...

but i am still getting bored of the repeated theme even star trek managed to invent new recurring enemies
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Snail on January 02, 2010, 09:29:11 pm
Having been away from the watery island for the past 2 weeks I haven't been able to catch the last two Doctor Who's. When I get back later today I hope to be able to see them one iPlayer or something, but I'm not sure if they'll still be there. :(
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Enigmatic Entity on January 03, 2010, 04:30:39 am
Knock...knock...knock...knock....

Still waiting for it on free analogue TV here in Australia, hopefully it will be good.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: starbug on January 03, 2010, 05:36:26 am
I must admit a new enemy would be good, they did it with the ood although they weren't bad. Daleks are great, but only if you use them sparingly. You can't have doctor who with Daleks it was really them that got the show of the ground. Still i would like the original Cybermen to come back, they haven't been in it since the 80's, they scared the crap out of me because the idea of them is more fact than fiction and there conversion proccess if you read the books and audios is far more gruesome than the borg assimilation of star trek.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Kosh on January 03, 2010, 08:32:41 am
One thing I always wondered, before the Doctor did whatever it was that completely destroyed Gallifrey, it looked like the Time Lords were losing the war, and I wonder why? I also wonder if he did something to destroy the planet, how did it destroy every Dalek planet as well?

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Still i would like the original Cybermen to come back, they haven't been in it since the 80's, they scared the crap out of me because the idea of them is more fact than fiction and there conversion proccess if you read the books and audios is far more gruesome than the borg assimilation of star trek.

With the new cybermen they pretty much just rip your brain out of your body.......what is worse than that?

EDIT: I also wonder if they will ever elaborate on the "pre-time" events that were briefly described in "The Satan's Pit".
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: headdie on January 03, 2010, 12:46:33 pm
EDIT: I also wonder if they will ever elaborate on the "pre-time" events that were briefly described in "The Satan's Pit".

that would be cool
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 03:55:39 pm
I thought the four knocks thing was very well done, caught me by surprise.

Spoiler:
I don't think that's the last we've seen of Galifrey though, who were the two who voted 'nay', I'm assuming the woman was a wife/ mother/daughter figure to the Doctor (regeneration means that his daughter could appear older than the Doctor himself at times), but who was the other one? I think we're going to have to wait to find the answers to that question
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 04:11:24 pm
Sorry for the double post, but here's a quick quiz:

The leader of the Timelords has, in fact, been responsible for the Death of Doctor Who in the past, can anyone remember when and how?
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 03, 2010, 04:13:42 pm
At first post- Those statues who appeared in the 'blink' episode?
 
At second post-
 
Don't know, still think he should be the next hero character.
 
Lord president kicks butt.
 
Also I want that gauntlet.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 04:17:21 pm
Heh, it's kind of a trick question, because it's nothing actually to do with Dr Who itself ;)
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 04:34:39 pm
On review, it looks like I may have confused Peter Davidson with Peter Duncan, since I was thinking about the Treeman scene in Flash Gordon, that's what you get for trying to devise questions after an 8 hour train journey....
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Killer Whale on January 03, 2010, 08:26:50 pm
look yes the darleks are cool and everything but i am getting sick of them being rehashed, i mean went they wiped out in their entirety last time??????
Yeh, what is with the daleks getting wiped out continually but somehow appearing back again, first it was one that fell through the time vortex, then a whole fleet of them, then four, then millions, then the creator. Did I miss any? I love the daleks, but I wish they'd have a bit more realisticness and backstory to their continued reappearance, like in the the last one if they all teleported off to different times rather than all dieing.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Kosh on January 03, 2010, 08:57:33 pm
At first post- Those statues who appeared in the 'blink' episode?
 
At second post-
 
Don't know, still think he should be the next hero character.
 
Lord president kicks butt.
 
Also I want that gauntlet.


You know, that gauntlet shows just how obnoxiously powerful the Time Lords really were, which again makes me wonder how could they possibly be losing with such power?
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 09:05:19 pm
I think there's going to be a lesson involved in that, i.e. if you scour time itself not only for things that are, but things that might have been, which is certainly what the Doctors speech seemed to imply, then you are eventually going to lose control of the situation.

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If the Timelock is broken then everything will come through not just the Daleks but the Skaro Degredations, The Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the could-have-been king with his army of meanwhiles, and never-were's. The War turned into Hell.

Maybe the 'losing' is one of those 'point of view' things, maybe it's more of a loss of moral high-ground than a physical loss of the War?
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Kosh on January 03, 2010, 09:33:42 pm
The impression of "losing" that I had was the Daleks seemed to be closing in (from reading about the Time War events on Wikipedia), and Gallifrey itself in the christmas special was in ruins from the war (so it looked like it was attacked, most likely from orbit).
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Flipside on January 03, 2010, 09:43:48 pm
Gallifrey certainly seems ravaged, but I've not seen any real evidence that it was ravaged by Daleks, as it were, not saying it couldn't have been, but I'm trying to think like a Dr Who writer, if they have one weakness, it is that they become too attached to their storylines and characters, and tend to not want to let them go, as it were ;)

The problem is that the Doctor treats the story of the Time war like an Onion, there's layers that need to be peeled off, and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague, they've even openly admitted that this is because, when you are dealing with the entire space-time continuum, you can pretty much do anything you like, even if it directly contradicts things that have happened earlier.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: IceFire on January 03, 2010, 09:51:28 pm
Gallifrey certainly seems ravaged, but I've not seen any real evidence that it was ravaged by Daleks, as it were, not saying it couldn't have been, but I'm trying to think like a Dr Who writer, if they have one weakness, it is that they become too attached to their storylines and characters, and tend to not want to let them go, as it were ;)

The problem is that the Doctor treats the story of the Time war like an Onion, there's layers that need to be peeled off, and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague, they've even openly admitted that this is because, when you are dealing with the entire space-time continuum, you can pretty much do anything you like, even if it directly contradicts things that have happened earlier.
I saw Dalek ships in the ruins in that opening shot... so I assumed it was them closing in.
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Kosh on January 03, 2010, 09:55:45 pm
Looking at a still shot of it, there's several crashed Dalek ships, probably they were shot down.

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and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague,


And that, more than anything else, annoys me. I like to know everything. :p



Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Killer Whale on January 03, 2010, 10:50:41 pm
Then why are you on the freespace forum? :p
Title: Re: The Timelords RETURN.
Post by: Kosh on January 03, 2010, 11:18:36 pm
To know more, duh. :p