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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: T-Man on March 28, 2010, 06:37:19 am
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Its occoured to me recently that since they put up the lengths of fighters on the selection screen, Freespace ships are possibly scaled to some extent (though i suspect there is a large degree of artistic license, to avoid ships too big to be in game etc). Supposedly the Orion carries a crew of 10'000, and i've always wondered how they all fit in the thing whilt still keeping room for fighters and the like. :lol:
So i was wondering if anyone happens to have any size comparison pictures lying around? I remember seeing one or two on the forum (one showing the TC2 compared to a man, and another showing the Orion compared to the Freedom Tower Project) but i can't find them with searches, and its something i'd be interested in looking at.
Cheers
(Yeah, i know, boring geek question, sorry :lol:)
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They're enormous. Ridiculously so. The Orion is kind of under-crewed for its size.
If I recall correctly a Fenris is about the length of a modern-day aircraft carrier.
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We know for sure that the Colossus is 6 and the Orion 2 kilometers long (canon information from cutscene and techroom).
And the relative size between those two fits. In FRED a Colossus is as long as three Orions. At least if you count in that antenna or whatever it is, on the nose of the Colly.
And then there would be this littel picture, though I don't now how acurate it is. It certainly is funny :p
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There's also this:
(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu320/FabianW/carrier_comp_4.jpg)
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that carrier thats only the size of the Fenris and Meson and bring dwarfed...
...that's a Nimitz, isn't it? :shaking:
But yeah, thank you for those two. Certainly changes perceptions of FS doesen't it? :lol:
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I seem to remember one with an Ursa parked on the carrier as well.
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The Aeolus is 272 m long, a Nimitz class CVN is just under 333 meters long. But since the A is a few dozen meters above the ground and it's taller than a CVN it may seem a bit bigger on the picture.
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Ursa on a scale carrier?... I could do that if you want... ;7
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This thread is relevant to my interests. I will try to compare the Collie to NYC.
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I insist that someone use Big ben as a reference :p
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I insist that someone use Big ben as a reference :p
Haha, yeah!
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This kind of threads pops up every once in a while... And the mother of them all is this one (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=52268.0). Scroll through, you'll find a lot of nice images.
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I think they made the fighters a little too big if you ask me (which no one did)
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I think they made the fighters a little too big if you ask me (which no one did)
and the humans piloting the fighters? those are surely pretty big guys right? :P
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The MediaVP guys got go great pains to scale those guys close to real human sizes actually. The same doesn;t always apply to capship windows mind you.
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(http://synclaire.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tallest_buildings.png)
Fenris is 253m, Triton freighter is 484, Deimos is 717m. Big Ben is 96m tall, roughly the length of a 107m Satis freighter. Someone with ModelView could actually do comparisons.
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Collie compared to NYC. Sorry for low quality, it was just a quick thing.
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6781/nyccolliek.png) (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/nyccolliek.png/)
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Now that's a cool shot. :yes:
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So the Colly's main body and engineering section is basically the size of Central Park.
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Now that would be a fun morning jog.
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Ursa is 41 meters long, so its friggin huge. most destroyers are around the 2km range as well
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Kinda reminds me of how ungodly huge Homeworld fighters are... there's an entire house in their cockpits :lol:
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Makes it all the freakier when you realise homeworld Frigates are capable of planetary landing.
On topic, google maps / google earth. That's a pretty original / cool way of showing off ship scale. :yes:
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Um, how big are the ships from Homeworld? Wasn't the Pride of Kharak or whatever the Mothership built at Kharak was called around 20km long?
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Now that would be a fun morning jog.
"Ship is too big...if I walk, the movie will be over!"
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Now that would be a fun morning jog.
Well, a bike ride is more enjoyable for me. It would be fun to ride a bike through a tunnel or the LHC if not active. Too afraid to do that on a ship because I feel uneasy knowing that it is possible for a hull breach to occur.
Wait, you are such an extreme biker that your speed causes hull breaches?
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:lol:
If by possible you mean that, yes, there is the slight possibility of the section of plating right next to you spontaneously disappearing from existance, you would be correct. However, barring that, I highly doubt it.
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I'm pretty sure getting a bird in he engine would end much worse for the bird than the engine.
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Oh, and according to quantum theory, particles could spontaneously pop out of this universe, though very unlikely, they say.
1 or 2 individual particles != A macroscopic slab of hull plating.
Quantum mechanics, for all intents and purposes, only has meaning to particles. Subatomic particles in particular. Yes, to be totally fair, nothing bars macroscopic objects from winking out of existence, but the odds of it happening are comparable to the odds of you and your descendants winning every single lottery on earth for... oh, pretty much the next thousand years.
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Yes, to be totally fair, nothing bars macroscopic objects from winking out of existence, but the odds of it happening are comparable to the odds of you and your descendants winning every single lottery on earth for... oh, pretty much the next thousand years.
Hey, I've won the British National Lottery like 10 straight times already! I just keep forgetting to go collect.
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Oh, and according to quantum theory, particles could spontaneously pop out of this universe, though very unlikely, they say.
1 or 2 individual particles != A macroscopic slab of hull plating.
Quantum mechanics, for all intents and purposes, only has meaning to particles. Subatomic particles in particular. Yes, to be totally fair, nothing bars macroscopic objects from winking out of existence, but the odds of it happening are comparable to the odds of you and your descendants winning every single lottery on earth for... oh, pretty much the next thousand years.
Actually, they've induced a quantum state in an object just big enough to be visible to the naked eye. They cooled it to it's zero point (as little energy as it can physically have), then added exactly one quantum (packet) of energy so that it had both none and one quantum of energy at the same time. However, your bulkhead isn't in any danger of disappearing any time soon, unless you happen to accidentally spill some bulkhead remover. ;7
I'm pretty sure getting a bird in he [sic] engine would end much worse for the bird than the engine.
Well, a birdstrike could be really bad for an airplane. Modern jet engines are rated to survive something like a frozen chicken at cruising speed, but anything larger or multiple strikes could be deadly. Unless, of course, you're talking about those wonderful Vasudan-designed fusion engines. :warp:
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Or just put some type of vented cone shielding about 10 meters in front of each engine. That way, it can breathe fairly well while offering protection from bigger objects. Really, we should be able to do better these days than what we have now. Just like they can make big trucks and busses have a pointier aerodynamic front instead of the crappy ineffecient box shape. I'm not an engineer and it seems that my ideas are better ideas when it comes to things like that than what they have out right now, and the stuff I mentioned in this post are just some common sense ideas that should have been practiced when they first invented commercial jets, busses and semi-trucks.
Edited to fix spelling.
More unnecessary weight reduces the ability of the aircraft to move cargo and/or people. Less transport capability means more dollars per kilo of something that is being transported. Also, the increased aerodynamic drag (because anything that is strong enough and narrow enough to protect the engine is going to slow airflow into the engine) will increase fuel costs and increase flight times.
In addition, most (commercial, and more and more private) aircraft have 2 or more engines making the entire concern of one engine failing for any reason that much less dangerous, and they don't just fail because of bird strikes. Not to mention the fact that most aircraft fly at an altitude greater than most birds can even fly, so the concern of bird strikes is only for around the airports.
As for the aerodynamics of buses and semi-trucks, those fancy pointy fronts are more expensive to build, add unnecessary weight that reduces the vehicle's transport capacity (yes even road vehicles have weight limits). The only reason that more aerodynamic shapes are being explored now is because of the cost of fuel to operate these vehicles.
You know, there is this fairly famous saying, about hindsight and foresight. It goes something like this, "if hindsight was foresight, we would all be rich and famous..." My point is, if we knew today what we would know a year from today, or if we knew what we know now 50-100 years ago the world would be a very different place, and maybe not any better! We could be sitting here right now saying (yes, I know it is a bit of a gimick),
Or just remove vented cone shielding in front of each engine. That way, it can breathe clearly while offering much better fuel economy, while adding a tiny amount a risk that something big enough will hit the engine causing it to fail. In the case the engine does fail the second engine is more than capable of getting the aircraft back to the ground safely. Really, we should be able to do better these days than what we have now. Just like they can make big trucks and buses have a boxier front instead of the crappy efficient pointy shape that wastes all of that space on the street. I'm not an engineer and it seems that my ideas are better ideas when it comes to things like that than what they have out right now, and the stuff I mentioned in this post are just some common sense ideas that should have been practiced when they first invented commercial jets, buses and semi-trucks.
As for the topic, I also find these comparisons interesting, especially the ones that show the size and profile differences of the different vessels in the universe.
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Boooooo.
More size chat, less non-size chat,
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Now that would be a fun morning jog.
"Ship is too big...if I walk, the movie will be over!"
HAIL SCROOB!!!!
"Transformation complete. Spaceball One has now become *dum dum dum dum dum* MEGA-MAID!" :lol:
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:wtf:
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They're quotes from the movie Spaceballs, you clods.
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Um...not really. :p
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"Cancel the three ring circus!"
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Does it have the same kind of humor as The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy?
amazing book, godawful movie.
carry on.
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12345.
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Now that would be a fun morning jog.
"Ship is too big...if I walk, the movie will be over!"
HAIL SCROOB!!!!
"Transformation complete. Spaceball One has now become *dum dum dum dum dum* MEGA-MAID!" :lol:
It's megamaid! she's gone from suck to blow!
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"Have a nice day!"
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Just pulled from the model file, the Gigas is 20.6 km long. Gargant is supposedly around 40.
...Hold on, I might be able to put together something. With the Gigas, anyways.
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I made the entire island of Manhattan into a POF to scale once. I wonder if it's still around.
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Just pulled from the model file, the Gigas is 20.6 km long. Gargant is supposedly around 40.
...Hold on, I might be able to put together something. With the Gigas, anyways.
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Wow. That puts the GTVA Supersoaker to shame.
Does it have the same kind of humor as The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy?
amazing book, godawful movie.
carry on.
I only watched the movie, though I heard there was a book of it out. I think the book is very old, if my memory of what I heard is accurate. Though I think it was funny in the movie when that goofy guy with that strange hat thingy got slapped in the face by this fly swatter creature in the sand and the way him and that darker guy reacted, and I laughed my head off in 2006 when I saw that scene many times. The darker guy was like 'ooooh' :D
The book was written well before the movie, and is vastly superior to the movie, though I still rather liked the movie. There was actually a whole series of Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy books, but they only made a movie out of the first (which is, coincidentally, the only one I've actually read).
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Ah, I don't have the model on me but I dug up a few old screenshots. I kinda wish I had used a flat texture instead of this stuff now, but it was a very crude conversion anyway.
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Downtown is screwed.
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Does it have the same kind of humor as The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcY090XV284&feature=related
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You know, looking at those comparisons of an Orion to a nimitz carrier really makes us look bad. We suck. :p
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The scale is off...The empire state building ain't talle than a Deimos (700m)
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Manhattan-class Destroyer... :drevil:
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Manhattan-class Destroyer... :drevil:
More like Juggernaut.
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Seems to be of size with the Colossus, unless you're suggesting all of New York...
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The Colossus is the size of a Sathanas, which is a juggernaut.
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and yet it isn't the GTVJ Colossus
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The "GTVA" designation is supposed to indicate (I'd guess) that the Colossus was meant to be a unique flagship or something along those lines.
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Not this discussion again!!!
GTVA = faction name. It's the GTVA's ubership. And it's not a juggernaut because that has a negative connotation.
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It's an AWACS! THAT'S WHAT THE A STANDS FOR!
SIMPUL!
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But of course you mean A-WACKS...
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Most certainly, its "A Wax".
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My Gawd, why does this pop up everywhere?
Though I guess I'm partly to blame...
Heck, call it a fighter for all I care.
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Most certainly, its "A Wax".
Hey yeah that must be what it stands for!