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Title: mmmmmm
Post by: annoyed on April 01, 2010, 05:34:43 pm
ok im a little miffed , yes i was possibly rude or a troll in the irc , but no more or less than anyone else , and yes i did the ultimate sin of questioning goober in irc , and yes i have broken the rules by opening another account but this has to be said ....

i have at no point broken any rules in the hlp forums(except to aid myself in writing this (and i will delete the account afterwards))

yes i called goober out because i felt he missused his powers as an ops in irc , a kick ok but a ban , no ; so i tried to question him , and got nowhere so i accepted his threat , my fault ... so now i am banned from hlp forums , at no point do i see that disagreeing with his opinion is a banable offence ...
this is a community site and yes does need moderation and administrators but it does not need this level of moderating

there you go i have had my rant , see you all in one week , you can find me in #multi if anyone needs me for the multi stuff

captain custard aka andicirk


andi
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Scotty on April 01, 2010, 05:36:37 pm
Could you not just wait the week?
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2010, 05:59:41 pm
andicirk, this is definitely not going to help. Appealing a decision made by the admins never, ever ends well. Ever. My suggestion is to wait it out before you get in any deeper.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Droid803 on April 01, 2010, 06:19:48 pm
What the hell do you people do on IRC that get you banned? :wtf:
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: General Battuta on April 01, 2010, 06:24:33 pm
Since when does action on IRC translate to a ban on the forum?

This is a troubling precedent. I'd like to call for a review. I think this is an unjustified ban.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2010, 08:02:57 pm
Since when does action on IRC translate to a ban on the forum?

This is a troubling precedent. I'd like to call for a review. I think this is an unjustified ban.
I do as well, but this is he who hates us all we are talking about.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 01, 2010, 08:14:54 pm
andicirk, this is definitely not going to help. Appealing a decision made by the admins never, ever ends well. Ever. My suggestion is to wait it out before you get in any deeper.

Beg differ.

Also banning form the forum for IRC shenangians does seem a bit much.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: pecenipicek on April 01, 2010, 09:36:28 pm
before goob bans us all, i'll quote him... or paraphrase him. either way, the end result is the very frikkin same.

"HLP is not a democracy."
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2010, 09:45:24 pm
It's a benevolent dictatorship.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Droid803 on April 01, 2010, 10:55:39 pm
Benevolent? :lol:
Seems more like irritable in this case. :P
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: karajorma on April 01, 2010, 11:01:41 pm
Well I'm certainly not in favour of IRC bans translating into HLP ones without any attempt to justify it to the rest of the admin staff. Especially if it means I have to deal with threads like this with no idea of the causes.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: TopAce on April 02, 2010, 02:48:02 am
Okay, then tell us the causes. In what context did he question Good, about what, and how?
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: The E on April 02, 2010, 04:48:14 am
It started off like this:
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(4:00:05 PM) captain-custard: if dem 1.5 is rick asssssshtly video's i shall put all the peoples emails who are  responsinble for this on a gay exchangisys site
(4:00:14 PM) Snail: lul
(4:00:20 PM) captain-custard: exchangists
(4:00:52 PM) Lurker5000: it's a playable campaign
(4:00:54 PM) Lurker5000: so go play it

continued this way
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(5:25:07 PM) captain-custard: mmm as i said your emails are now on a gay exchangists site .......rick assssssshhhholetly
and then it came to this:
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(11:34:07 PM) captain-custard: run!!!!!!!!
(11:34:14 PM) Goober5000: no, only you
(11:34:21 PM) Goober5000: you nasty person
(11:35:11 PM) captain-custard: i know you like chasing ppl , i put that in your profile on the gay rickrolling sexslaves forum
(11:36:06 PM) captain-custard: never ever put rick asssshatter in a fs campaign ;it is heresy

*snip*

(11:40:27 PM) #hard-light: mode (+b *!*@AMarseille-156-1-6-67.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) by Goober5000
(11:40:39 PM) captain-custard left the room (Kicked by Goober5000 (trolling = fail)).

*snip*

(11:53:49 PM) Comrade-DerekSmart [[email protected]] entered the room.
(11:53:52 PM) Comrade-DerekSmart left the room.
(11:54:07 PM) Goober5000: the point of April Fool's is to be funny
(11:54:17 PM) captain-custard [[email protected]] entered the room.
(11:54:19 PM) Goober5000: Fury and karajorma both hinted that they wanted a change from the usual
(11:54:27 PM) qazwsx: lulz through chaos
(11:54:29 PM) Goober5000: so I figured DEM 1.5 would be a perfect fit
(11:54:42 PM) qazwsx: how long did you spend working on it?
(11:54:56 PM) Goober5000: in calendar time, three weeks
(11:54:58 PM) Hero_Swe: When is RC2 out?
(11:55:02 PM) captain-custard: thanks goober , was that really neccesary ?
(11:55:06 PM) chief1983: very soon.
(11:55:07 PM) Goober5000: but that encompasses about five weekends of work
(11:55:12 PM) Hero_Swe: Ok. I'll wait till then
(11:55:21 PM) Hero_Swe: Have to reinstall everything concerning FS anyway
(11:55:23 PM) Goober5000: RC2 would have been out on 3/31, but chief1983 was interrupted by real life events
(11:55:31 PM) Hero_Swe: no worries
(11:55:36 PM) Goober5000: which slightly hamstrung my release thread
(11:55:46 PM) Goober5000: but that should be fixed soon
(11:55:50 PM) captain-custard: goober ? a kick maybe but a ban ?
(11:55:51 PM) Hero_Swe: Hey, take your time with it. The more work you get done on it the better
(11:56:05 PM) Goober5000: captain-custard - and what are you doing evading a ban?
(11:56:14 PM) Goober5000: kicks are for harmless annoyances
(11:56:20 PM) Goober5000: you were being deliberately trollish
(11:56:27 PM) Goober5000: and not just once or twice, but over the course of the entire day
(11:56:31 PM) captain-custard: no i wasnt , now thats petty
(11:56:32 PM) Goober5000: I read the log from Lurker5000
(11:56:49 PM) captain-custard: sorry your wrong
(11:57:21 PM) Goober5000: your own quotes betray you, sir
(11:57:27 PM) Snail: Goober5000: Reading logs for a whole day?
(11:57:38 PM) Snail: **** man
(11:57:38 PM) captain-custard: i may have jokes but to say i trolled the whole day is a lie as i was logged in but not here from 10am untill 4pm my time
(11:57:40 PM) Goober5000: Snail: more like logging for a whole day, and skimming them in ten minutes
(11:57:54 PM) Snail: oh ok
(11:58:11 PM) Goober5000: morning and evening = the course of one day
(11:58:23 PM) qazwsx: so, it's 11PM
(11:58:35 PM) qazwsx: do I have time to watch serenity?
(11:58:53 PM) captain-custard: the thing im being accused of trolling for is exactly what ?
(11:59:11 PM) FUBAR is now known as FUBAR|outside
(11:59:44 PM) captain-custard: id like to know , because if its the rick roll thing , then that is as much your faulta s it is mine
(11:59:46 PM) Goober5000: repeatedly using extremely crude language about a mod, repeatedly threatening to sign up people for email spam lists
(12:00:05 AM) Goober5000: that's email fraud, which goes against the HLP terms of service
(12:00:17 AM) Goober5000: I have grounds to ban you from HLP if I wanted to
(12:00:46 AM) captain-custard: then do it you , because your being pathertic
(12:00:53 AM) mura: and from the skimming you can judge a whole day of trolling?
(12:00:57 AM) mura: your methods are interesting
(12:00:59 AM) Goober5000: I'll start here
(12:01:03 AM) Snail: come on Goob don't be so uptight
(12:01:03 AM) #hard-light: mode (+b *!*@AMarseille-156-1-145-142.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) by Goober5000
(12:01:07 AM) Axem [[email protected]] entered the room.
(12:01:07 AM) #hard-light: mode (+o Axem) by ChanServ
(12:01:07 AM) Snail: :(
(12:01:10 AM) captain-custard left the room (Kicked by Goober5000 (per request)).

So, while this may have been a slight overreaction, it was also not unwarranted. Asking to be banned is and always has been a very bad idea around here, and he did just that.
And I would say that the internet lacks <joking> tags, so while common sense says that what c-c said was probably a joke, it was also an extremely bad one to make, especially towards an Admins' or ChOps' face.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: ADM_bosh on April 02, 2010, 06:33:41 am
"HLP is not a democracy."

Everything's a democracy. Actually, everything's even better than a democracy. The only stipulation is you have to ignore what the pigs say. Then you're freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

also WOOOO you have no idea whose alt nick this is
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 02, 2010, 06:40:38 am
also WOOOO you have no idea whose alt nick this is
Actually... nah, I'd better keep quiet.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Goober5000 on April 02, 2010, 07:46:18 am
The justification is in the ban list entry, and in the quotes The E posted.  Being a troll, and claiming the rules don't apply to him, is valid grounds for an IRC ban.  And he kept on evading the ban, so it got extended from one day to a week.

Then when I told him it would be grounds to ban him from HLP, he dared me to do it.  So it got extended to HLP as well.  He has no grounds to complain that I called his bluff.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: General Battuta on April 02, 2010, 07:50:09 am
Right, seems fair enough, I guess.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Snail on April 02, 2010, 08:03:59 am
"HLP is not a democracy."

Everything's a democracy. Actually, everything's even better than a democracy. The only stipulation is you have to ignore what the pigs say. Then you're freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

also WOOOO you have no idea whose alt nick this is
The admins can tell who you are by looking at your IP.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: karajorma on April 02, 2010, 08:34:12 am
also WOOOO you have no idea whose alt nick this is

April Fools is over. Don't make me have to find out or I'll ban the primary too.

The justification is in the ban list entry, and in the quotes The E posted.

That's pretty weak justification though. Until The_E posted his quotes the ban log was the only evidence and that gives no details at all. And apart from spammers there really does need to be a paper trail when banning users from the board in order to prove that it isn't the case of a rogue or over-sensitive admin.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: annoyed on April 02, 2010, 08:42:53 am
my right to reply ... do i have one i doubt it ....

The justification is in the ban list entry, and in the quotes The E posted.  Being a troll, and claiming the rules don't apply to him, is valid grounds for an IRC ban.  And he kept on evading the ban, so it got extended from one day to a week.

Then when I told him it would be grounds to ban him from HLP, he dared me to do it.  So it got extended to HLP as well.  He has no grounds to complain that I called his bluff.

ok a couple of points ,  
1/  i never at any point claimed that any rules did not apply to me ; i tried to find out why i was banned...
2/ trolling through the day , i made very few posts in that day , maybe 4 or 5 on the subject of the " rick roll" affair
3/ asking to be banned ; this can be read in many ways ; from my point of view , it was frustration from not being able to understand how 5 posts across 12+ hours could be counted as trolling;and your refusal to talk about it in any constructive way

yesterday was april fools day , and on that day jokes pass between ppl ,i believed you had agreed to play along after this post:

(4:00:05 PM) captain-custard: if dem 1.5 is rick asssssshtly video's i shall put all the peoples emails who are  responsinble for this on a gay exchangisys site
(4:00:14 PM) Snail: lul
(4:00:20 PM) captain-custard: exchangists
(4:00:52 PM) Lurker5000: it's a playable campaign
(4:00:54 PM) Lurker5000: so go play it

obviously i was mistaken ..

 i feel that you were excessive in your reaction , i was joking , playing around ... and from this i am banned from using my real nik on this site

i suppose ill have to accept this , but i believe you should seriously think about how and when you use your powers as op / admin;

andi
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: karajorma on April 02, 2010, 09:08:18 am
my right to reply ... do i have one i doubt it ....

As long as you confine yourself to this thread I'm not going to ban the alt-nick.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Mura on April 02, 2010, 03:27:37 pm
WHAT!? that's what you call asking for a ban!? that's NUTS!!!

This is over reacting, it was an obvious joke and considering the day he was just.... i'm afraid to let lose my rage and get banned for it... no wonder many people that get into confrontations with certain admins here end up quitting.

Even more, even if you were to ban him from the chatroom, banning him from the forum is just too much, they are two different places and you shouldn't ban him from two places just because you are angry with him, that's uncalled for and abusing your powers. This is like being a governor of a small wild west town and losing to someone in a hand of poker then getting them hanged for that, at least that's how I see it, i am yet again disappointed, i used to hold respect for some people and now i can't even feel like talking to them.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: General Battuta on April 02, 2010, 03:30:23 pm
I have to agree that this decision doesn't look all that great for Goob.

The personal should be kept isolated from the political  (inasmuch as 'political' means 'the business side of HLP'), and frankly I think this represents a failure in that respect.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Blue Lion on April 02, 2010, 04:28:48 pm
I gotta remember to be on my best behavior in case I ever go to one of those HLP get together things
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 02, 2010, 04:38:24 pm
/me appears as if by magic.


They're completely non-political. Just a good bit of socialising. Mebbe a burger. and lols.


/me vanishes, as if by magic.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: Snail on April 02, 2010, 04:53:51 pm
I gotta remember to be on my best behavior in case I ever go to one of those HLP get together things
I wonder if online banning translates to real-life hanging.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: karajorma on April 02, 2010, 06:24:42 pm
I gotta remember to be on my best behavior in case I ever go to one of those HLP get together things

Worst I've ever done at one of those things is threaten to change someone's custom title. And only cause the other people there agreed. :p
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: jr2 on April 02, 2010, 09:29:03 pm
And I would say that the internet lacks <joking> tags, so while common sense says that what c-c said was probably a joke, it was also an extremely bad one to make, especially towards an Admins' or ChOps' face.

:wtf: I always use [/sarcasm] or maybe [/kidding] or [/joking].  Sheesh.  If there isn't a tag, make it.  :nod:
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: karajorma on April 02, 2010, 10:21:04 pm
/me hates to think what his log would look like if he had to use tags after every single joke he makes. :p
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 02, 2010, 11:02:56 pm
WHAT!? that's what you call asking for a ban!? that's NUTS!!!

"I could ban you from HLP"

"Then do it!"

No, that's asking, very directly too. :P
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: High Max on April 03, 2010, 11:33:48 pm
;-)
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: el_magnifico on April 04, 2010, 12:57:04 am
"HLP is not a democracy."

Everything's a democracy. Actually, everything's even better than a democracy. The only stipulation is you have to ignore what the pigs say. Then you're freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

also WOOOO you have no idea whose alt nick this is
The admins can tell who you are by looking at your IP.


Not if you bypass it by using different computers, like going to a computer lab. A proxy might also work; not sure. Also, there are programs for masking your ip.
What if your ISP provides you with a dynamic IP (like mine does)? Not that it matters anyway, since I'm not planning on breaking any rules. Really. I'm just curious.

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Also, what kind of silly name is captain custard? That name right there is a reason for him to get banned :D I'm kidding of course. It does sound like the name of one who over-indulges on well.... donuts or other fake foods. Like a name you would give to Jabba the Hut.
:wtf:

That comment was... peculiar.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 04, 2010, 01:02:26 am
High Max is like that.

...you learn to ignore it.
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: High Max on April 04, 2010, 01:20:15 am
;-)
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: el_magnifico on April 04, 2010, 01:43:33 am
I could say 'peculiar is a perception' or 'many here are peculiar' or 'many topics are peculiar'. All I know is that his name is one of the most peculiar nicknames I have ever seen 'captain custard'. Now don't tell me that isn't peculiar and that people on this forum haven't said things 10 times more peculiar than I have. I'm sure I could find some peculiar posts and topics and link you to some if you need evidence.
There's no need to present any evidence. You're not being judged my friend. :)

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Heck, this whole thread is just another pointless 'peculiar' thread that has nothing to do with anything Freespace.
Which makes sense considering this is "Site Support".

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Don't you think so? Just like that 'CREEP' thread and 'outgunned' thread in GenDisc that is extremely peculiar to the point of WTF. Don't say that isn't peculiar and pointless more so than what I say. Just ignore this thread and all other strange threads, I guess.
You seem to have an obsession with GenDisc. :p

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Any point of keeping this thread active?
Karajorma said he would. It's an admin's prerrogative, I guess.


Don't worry though. I didn't said peculiarity was necessarily a bad thing. It kind of depends on the situation.

In fact, I enjoy reading you, even if your comments are a bit odd sometimes. Keep it up. :D
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: High Max on April 04, 2010, 01:56:54 am
;-)
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: captain-custard on April 05, 2010, 09:46:45 am
ok im back ... so i guess this can be locked or put in the bin
thanks
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: jr2 on April 05, 2010, 02:05:42 pm
Heck, this whole thread is just another pointless 'peculiar' thread that has nothing to do with anything Freespace. Don't you think so? Just like that 'CREEP' thread and 'outgunned' thread in GenDisc that is extremely peculiar to the point of WTF. Don't say that isn't peculiar and pointless more so than what I say. Just ignore this thread and all other strange threads, I guess.

I fixed that thread... stupid image URL wasn't working.  Is now.  ;)
Title: Re: mmmmmm
Post by: High Max on April 05, 2010, 09:11:49 pm
;-)