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Lack of lightning is the first thing. Nexus hitting the Earth hasn't resulted in paradise is the second.
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That movie was so terrible that I would prefer not to compare anything cool to it.
That includes auroras and the ISS.
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I have a confession to make.
I LIKED GENERATIONS AND THE BOOKS SHATNER WROTE BASED ON IT. :P
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I liked the first part of Generations, the Enterprise-B part, right up until Deck 15 got struck by lightning. :-/
I also like the Shatnerverse novels. :nod:
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I liked the Shatnerverse novels. Actually, I liked them a lot. I think he works well with the Reeves-Stevens, who are crazy epic at Star Trek books.
But anyone who likes Generations is a nutter. I mean, Guinan says, "You can go back to anywhere (anywhen, too, I think) you choose." And Picard goes back to...a few minutes ago on the surface of Veridian III?
Go back Ten-Forward after the observatory rescue and PUNCH SORAN IN THE FACE
I mean srsly now
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Wow, I had totally forgotten about Generations. I thought you were talking about the subspace nexus in Nexus: The Jupiter Incident when I saw the title.
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Me too.
I like Malcolm/Tolwyn in any film. His gun was awesome, as was the Nova missile. As were the first five minutes.
Shame it'll never ever happen now that Spock blew up Romulus and went back in time then miners killed Kirks dad altering history. :rolleyes:
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Shame it'll never ever happen now that Spo-
NO.
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Discontinuity please.
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So did the occupants of the ISS get any special powers (ala Fantastic Four)? :p
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So did the occupants of the ISS get any special powers (ala Fantastic Four)? :p
there is goint to be a record number of women onboard any time now
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That movie was so terrible that I would prefer not to compare anything cool to it.
That includes auroras and the ISS.
I have a confession to make.
I LIKED GENERATIONS AND THE BOOKS SHATNER WROTE BASED ON IT. :P
But anyone who likes Generations is a nutter. I mean, Guinan says, "You can go back to anywhere (anywhen, too, I think) you choose." And Picard goes back to...a few minutes ago on the surface of Veridian III?
Go back Ten-Forward after the observatory rescue and PUNCH SORAN IN THE FACE
I mean srsly now
Conclusion: Generations is so bad that it's good?
On topic: The Nexus isn't green, and it's hiding somewhere else in our solar system.
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Generations was a fumbled baton-pass, that's why Next Gen movies stumbled along for a few paces and eventually tripped over.
The original plan was for the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-B to get into a fight with each other, but no-one could think of a situation where two Starfleet vessels would fire on each other (they could get away with it in DS9). Thing is Star Trek isn't really big-screen material, there have been more dodgy ST movies, in my opinion, than good ones.
As a movie, the latest movie works, it was exciting, it was fun, it was thrilling, it was also over-exposed, but you can't have everything. The only way the movie could suceed, however, was by throwing out everything 'Star Trek', the Federation is barely mentioned as anything other than a target, in fact, the entire mentality of the Star Trek universe is barely given a nod between the explosions. The truth is that, in my opinion, it's was removing those beliefs that made the new Star Trek such a good movie, but it is the existence of those beliefs that makes it such a good series.
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Wrath of Khan was the only ST movie I liked; the rest were bupkiss.
The "new" ST was horrible; loud, stupid, pointless. I sat through it to be sociable.
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You didn't like The Voyage Home? Or Undiscovered Country?
Heathen! BURN HIM!
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I think that, for the latest film, if you went to the cinema with illusions of it being Star Trek in any manner other than purely cosmetic, then you were destined for dissapointment, if, however, you were (a) forewarned and (b) just really going out to enjoy a movie, and not being overly bothered which, it was enjoyable enough :)
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I think the last Trek film seriously suffered from the same flaw that Plinkett goes on and on about in his Star Wars reviews. The battle scenes are so dense that they simply become a light show. You can't actually follow what's going on cause it's all about cramming so many special effects into view that they forget that the whole point of special effects is to allow the viewer to better understand what is going on in the scene.
Ironically in the TV show and earlier movies it cost so much to do effects that we saw them used sparingly in order to do this.
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I'll agree, that was a problem, the thing is, using a shakycam effect creates motion blur, and motion blur on lights with a lens flare just results in a big white smudge, which is approximately what 20% of the film consisted of.
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I think the last Trek film seriously suffered from the same flaw that Plinkett goes on and on about in his Star Wars reviews. The battle scenes are so dense that they simply become a light show. You can't actually follow what's going on cause it's all about cramming so many special effects into view that they forget that the whole point of special effects is to allow the viewer to better understand what is going on in the scene.
You know a lot of people want to level that charge at recent movies, but the only one that actually did the task overload thing in my experience was Revenge of the Fallen. Star Trek was actually quite far from it.
And Flipside needs a new prescription. :P
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The critique is right in at least one respect. In the old setup each element of the effect was given significance and had consequences. In Wrath of Khan you can track the damage done by each phaser shot.
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And Flipside needs a new prescription. :p
If I were to be perfectly honest, that is far from beyond the realms of possibility :p
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I think that, for the latest film, if you went to the cinema with illusions of it being Star Trek in any manner other than purely cosmetic, then you were destined for dissapointment, if, however, you were (a) forewarned and (b) just really going out to enjoy a movie, and not being overly bothered which, it was enjoyable enough :)
This hits the nail on the head. You have to watch the new Star Trek movie with your brain turned off, because otherwise you'll start finding all the logic holes and thematic differences cleverly hidden beneath the shininess.
Star Trek X should have been about Q, as opposed to the debacle that was Nemesis. They would have done a crossover movie next if X had been financially successful, and that is something I really would have wanted to see. (And, of course, a well-done Q movie would definitely be worth watching on its own.)
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I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel. An entire film with him in would have been the worst Trek movie ever. :p
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I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel. An entire film with him in would have been the worst Trek movie ever. :p
I'm forced to agree.
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It should have been about Lwaxana Troi and the Ferengi.
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I considered the Borg to be an excellent example of both the strengths and weaknesses of the whole thing, the introduction of the queen, the Pussification of the Borg (which I still think would make an excellent episode name). In many ways they were treated like the Q, they start out as something alien and somewhat refreshing (well, maybe not including EaF, but let's face, there's never been a good ST pilot episode), in fact, I conside the episode where Q introduces the Borg as one of the best, and, in the search for more depth to the story, rather than making them more alien, they made them more human, and that was the mistake.
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I think Best of Both Worlds was the Borg at their best. After that they went downhill quickly.
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Yup, and 'All Good Things' was the best Q episode, even if that's partly to do with the fact it included a midget with a cowbell, which earns points in any situation ;)
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So did the occupants of the ISS get any special powers (ala Fantastic Four)? :p
Nope, the sideeffect of the Radiation from that Nexus thing was a slow death.
Only Kirk, Picard and Soran could have survived that. :P
I've seen all ST movies by now, and only three are worth mentioning.
The Wrath of Khan was the best one, The Voyage Home ( Yeas, it is an enjoyable Movie :P) and the Undiscovered Country ( because it ended ST - in a halfway decent fashion ).
I didn't like Generations much, the entire Data goes Emo plot was poorly executed. The story with the Nexus didn't make any sense. In all the TNG Movies the ( main ) characters are different then in the show. Picard for instance, he was never a "shoot those bastards" type, he always seemed quite, thoughtfull and he seemed to try to solve conflicts always with diplomacy, at least from what i've seen in the show ( i have to admit that i haven't seen all episodes yet ).
This was totally reversed in the Movies.
The new ST movie was entertaining, at least for people who don't know anything about the ST franchise.
The effects are totally overdone, some of the characters too ( they ****ed up Scotty! ), Kirk was a bit too wild, only Spock was Spock (imo).
The story has more plotholes then a swiss cheese ( dear ST scriptwriters: don't frak with Red Matter - it makes holes in your plot! )
And worst of all: They killed the entire TNG/ DS9 Story! ( Voyager is in the same Category like Galactica 1980 - it doesn't exist )
What would have killed ST totally for me, if they had announced a Movie based on Voyager.
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I think Best of Both Worlds was the Borg at their best. After that they went downhill quickly.
You are a borg.
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I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.
Most? "Qpid", yes. "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe. But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb. "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.
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I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.
Most? "Qpid", yes. "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe. But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb. "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.
I could agree with that, so long as we're not counting the VOY Q episodes. Those were goddamn awful. :ick:
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always found them more comic relief style. Bit different.
The girlfriend who is not a trek fan, used to like those episodes
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They should have made on extended feature-length Ferengi episode.
/me runs as fast as his molluscan foot can carry him!
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They should have made on extended feature-length Ferengi episode.
/me runs as fast as his molluscan foot can carry him!
Would have been far better then the new ST movie and better them most of the TNG movies they made. Seriously. :P
Remember the episode where the Ferengi return Picards old ship, the Stargazer? That one was cool.
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I liked the new movie. It was a good time.
You could tell it was written by the same people who wrote Transformers, but at the same time, it was the best thing to happen to Trek in years.
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And worst of all: They killed the entire TNG/ DS9 Story! ( Voyager is in the same Category like Galactica 1980 - it doesn't exist )
What would have killed ST totally for me, if they had announced a Movie based on Voyager.
Oy...some of us legitimately like Voyager. :p
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I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.
Most? "Qpid", yes. "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe. But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb. "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.
Once you add in the Voyager eps the balance tilts against him. :p
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Which is why I specifically restricted it to the TNG episodes in my quote. :)
Voyager was fun to watch, but they spent far too much time in fantasyland. After the first season the resource shortage was mostly forgotten about, except for when it was shoehorned into the plot (whee deuterium). They underutilized perfectly good aliens (Vidiians) and overutilized perfectly awful ones (Malon). They turned the Borg and Q into emasculated wimps. And near the end of the series, the Borg Queen developed a personal vendetta against Janeway for some reason. Ugh.
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Which is why I specifically restricted it to the TNG episodes in my quote. :)
Voyager was fun to watch, but they spent far too much time in fantasyland. After the first season the resource shortage was mostly forgotten about, except for when it was shoehorned into the plot (whee deuterium). They underutilized perfectly good aliens (Vidiians) and overutilized perfectly awful ones (Malon). They turned the Borg and Q into emasculated wimps. And near the end of the series, the Borg Queen developed a personal vendetta against Janeway for some reason. Ugh.
Fantasyland?
At least you didnt have to cringe watching the 'fair haven' episodes
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Voyager was the most random and silly series.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFP1R4leYQ
I saw your post and thought of this.
Edit: It's also worth watching sfdebris voyager reviews for a good laugh ;)
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I watched through Voyager before starting on the Wheel of Time series... Whenever Moiraine is mentioned, I envision Janeway wielding saidar. :nervous:
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And worst of all: They killed the entire TNG/ DS9 Story! ( Voyager is in the same Category like Galactica 1980 - it doesn't exist )
What would have killed ST totally for me, if they had announced a Movie based on Voyager.
Oy...some of us legitimately like Voyager. :p
I genuinely prefer them. It's my favourite Trek series.
Seven <3
And the RETURN OF THE DINOSAURS!
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I get to see William Shatner in a couple of months. To be honest I'm going more for Mark Shepard and Dean Stockwell :D
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