[General Battuta]

The critique is right in at least one respect. In the old setup each element of the effect was given significance and had consequences. In Wrath of Khan you can track the damage done by each phaser shot.

[Flipside]

And Flipside needs a new prescription.

If I were to be perfectly honest, that is far from beyond the realms of possibility

[Goober5000]

I think that, for the latest film, if you went to the cinema with illusions of it being Star Trek in any manner other than purely cosmetic, then you were destined for dissapointment, if, however, you were (a) forewarned and (b) just really going out to enjoy a movie, and not being overly bothered which, it was enjoyable enough

This hits the nail on the head.  You have to watch the new Star Trek movie with your brain turned off, because otherwise you'll start finding all the logic holes and thematic differences cleverly hidden beneath the shininess.

Star Trek X should have been about Q, as opposed to the debacle that was Nemesis.  They would have done a crossover movie next if X had been financially successful, and that is something I really would have wanted to see.  (And, of course, a well-done Q movie would definitely be worth watching on its own.)

[karajorma]

I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel. An entire film with him in would have been the worst Trek movie ever.

[NGTM-1R]

I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel. An entire film with him in would have been the worst Trek movie ever.

I'm forced to agree.

[General Battuta]

It should have been about Lwaxana Troi and the Ferengi.

[Flipside]

I considered the Borg to be an excellent example of both the strengths and weaknesses of the whole thing, the introduction of the queen, the Pussification of the Borg (which I still think would make an excellent episode name). In many ways they were treated like the Q, they start out as something alien and somewhat refreshing (well, maybe not including EaF, but let's face, there's never been a good ST pilot episode), in fact, I conside the episode where Q introduces the Borg as one of the best, and, in the search for more depth to the story, rather than making them more alien, they made them more human, and that was the mistake.

[karajorma]

I think Best of Both Worlds was the Borg at their best. After that they went downhill quickly.

[Flipside]

Yup, and 'All Good Things' was the best Q episode, even if that's partly to do with the fact it included a midget with a cowbell, which earns points in any situation

[Angelus]

So did the occupants of the ISS get any special powers (ala Fantastic Four)?  

Nope, the sideeffect of the Radiation from that Nexus thing was a slow death.
Only Kirk, Picard and Soran could have survived that.


I've seen all ST movies by now, and only three are worth mentioning.
The Wrath of Khan was the best one, The Voyage Home ( Yeas, it is an enjoyable Movie  ) and the Undiscovered Country ( because it ended ST - in a halfway decent fashion ).

I didn't like Generations much, the entire Data goes Emo plot was poorly executed. The story with the Nexus didn't make any sense. In all the TNG Movies the ( main ) characters are different then in the show. Picard for instance, he was never a "shoot those bastards" type, he always seemed quite, thoughtfull and he seemed to try to solve conflicts always with diplomacy, at least from what i've seen in the show ( i have to admit that i haven't seen all episodes yet ).
This was totally reversed in the Movies.

The new ST movie was entertaining, at least for people who don't know anything about the ST franchise.
The effects are totally overdone, some of the characters too ( they ****ed up Scotty! ), Kirk was a bit too wild, only Spock was Spock (imo).
The story has more plotholes then a swiss cheese ( dear ST scriptwriters: don't frak with Red Matter - it makes holes in your plot! )

And worst of all: They killed the entire TNG/ DS9 Story! ( Voyager is in the same Category like Galactica 1980 - it doesn't exist )

What would have killed ST totally for me, if they had announced a Movie based on Voyager.

[TESLA]

I think Best of Both Worlds was the Borg at their best. After that they went downhill quickly.

You are a borg.

[Goober5000]

I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.

Most?  "Qpid", yes.  "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe.  But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb.  "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.

[Kopachris]

I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.

Most?  "Qpid", yes.  "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe.  But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb.  "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.

I could agree with that, so long as we're not counting the VOY Q episodes.  Those were goddamn awful.

[TESLA]

always found them more comic relief style. Bit different.

The girlfriend who is not a trek fan, used to like those episodes

[Snail]

They should have made on extended feature-length Ferengi episode.

* Snail runs as fast as his molluscan foot can carry him!

[Angelus]

They should have made on extended feature-length Ferengi episode.

* Snail runs as fast as his molluscan foot can carry him!

Would have been far better then the new ST movie and better them most of the TNG movies they made. Seriously.  
Remember the episode where the Ferengi return Picards old ship, the Stargazer? That one was cool.

[General Battuta]

I liked the new movie. It was a good time.

You could tell it was written by the same people who wrote Transformers, but at the same time, it was the best thing to happen to Trek in years.

[Mongoose]

And worst of all: They killed the entire TNG/ DS9 Story! ( Voyager is in the same Category like Galactica 1980 - it doesn't exist )

What would have killed ST totally for me, if they had announced a Movie based on Voyager.

Oy...some of us legitimately like Voyager.

[karajorma]

I found most of the Q episodes to be barely watchable drivel.

Most?  "Qpid", yes.  "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q", maybe.  But pretty much all the other TNG Q episodes were superb.  "All Good Things", "Q Who", "Tapestry", etc.

Once you add in the Voyager eps the balance tilts against him.

[Goober5000]

Which is why I specifically restricted it to the TNG episodes in my quote.

Voyager was fun to watch, but they spent far too much time in fantasyland.  After the first season the resource shortage was mostly forgotten about, except for when it was shoehorned into the plot (whee deuterium).  They underutilized perfectly good aliens (Vidiians) and overutilized perfectly awful ones (Malon).  They turned the Borg and Q into emasculated wimps.  And near the end of the series, the Borg Queen developed a personal vendetta against Janeway for some reason.  Ugh.