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Title: Predators
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 10, 2010, 02:45:38 pm
Eight of the best chosen as the ultimate prey from our planet for the hunt this season. plus a secret bonus hardcase from the last one.
 
 
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE . . . . . .
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Snail on July 10, 2010, 02:48:08 pm
Apprehensive. AVP and AVP2 were some of the absolute worst movies I have ever seen in my life, period. This is not an exaggeration.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: headdie on July 10, 2010, 02:52:26 pm
Apprehensive. AVP and AVP2 were some of the absolute worst movies I have ever seen in my life, period. This is not an exaggeration.

I liked AVP it brought back some of the tension/thriller back to both franchises which was lost in its entirety for AVP2 with its aimlessly wandering plot
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Snail on July 10, 2010, 02:53:57 pm
AVP2 was the only movie I've ever walked out of.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: redsniper on July 10, 2010, 02:55:46 pm
I heard this one sucked.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Satellight on July 10, 2010, 03:19:01 pm
You heard right...  :D

Spoiler:
But, just for the scene with the blond-haired women smashed by the Predator's disc, it IS fun <in a drunken state>

EDIT : I have learned how to use this spoiler thing recently...  :nervous:
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Nuclear1 on July 10, 2010, 03:30:39 pm
Saw it last night...it wasn't awful, but it wasn't anything I'd go and see again.

Title: Re: Predators
Post by: General Battuta on July 10, 2010, 04:50:28 pm
You heard right...  :D

But, just for the scene with the blond-haired women smahed by the Predator's disc, it IS fun <in a drunken state>

Spoiler tags, please. We watch these things to figure out who lives and who dies.

RottenTomatoes reviews are actually positive so far.

EDIT: nvm sounds like you were talking about AVP2.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Scotty on July 10, 2010, 05:19:57 pm
I thought the part Satellight is referring to was in AVPR....

The topic on the CBT forums is abuzz with good things as well.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Snail on July 10, 2010, 06:51:13 pm
[rant]
AVP2 was the worst film ever made in film making history. It was inexcusably bad. It offended me how mind-numbingly bad that move was. I felt like someone went and ripped off my testicles and said that I didn't have any better way to spend 2 hours of my life, and that watching a bunch of cardboard cutouts being killed was somehow a good use of my time. ****ing bastards. Go burn in hell. Seriously. **** off.
[/rant]

Aaaaaanyway.... I might go see Predators depending on what you peepl say. And if I can find anyone to go there with... :nervous:
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Satellight on July 10, 2010, 07:08:11 pm
You heard right...  :D

But, just for the scene with the blond-haired women smahed by the Predator's disc, it IS fun <in a drunken state>

Spoiler tags, please. We watch these things to figure out who lives and who dies.

RottenTomatoes reviews are actually positive so far.

EDIT: nvm sounds like you were talking about AVP2.


Yes, it was AVP2. I understand that people don't like horror films like the Alien serie or Schwarzenegger-action-movies like Predator, but i just can't understand how the mix between them was so... hummm... awful ? It lacks the spirit of both these series I LOVE (especially Alien). It just... doesn't work.

BTW, sorry for the spoil :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 10, 2010, 08:29:17 pm
AVP2 was actually better than the first. Not by much, but still. It wasn't a classic by any measure, but it wasn't too bad. It could have easily been much worse.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Snail on July 10, 2010, 08:31:32 pm
AVP2 was actually better than the first. Not by much, but still. It wasn't a classic by any measure, but it wasn't too bad. It could have easily been much worse.
Maybe. I didn't get past the first 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Aardwolf on July 11, 2010, 12:11:46 am
I heard someone complaining that one of the predators in "Predators" eats 6 grenades and walks off without a scratch.

And by "eat" I mean in the gaming sense, not the literal sense.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 11, 2010, 01:47:38 am
i saw this tonight.  don't waste your time.  it was soooooo damn cheesy, and 100% predictable.  it was almost even like a remake of the original with a different team in a different jungle.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 11, 2010, 05:43:28 am
Hmmmm.
 
I don't like that much. Seeing as in the first an m203 shell emptied into a leaf managed to disable the Preds cloak.
 
 
Still looking forward to seeing the reboot though.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: MR_T3D on July 11, 2010, 10:03:09 am
... Seeing as in the first an m203 shell emptied into a leaf managed to disable the Preds cloak...
 
Still looking forward to seeing the reboot though.
well, that's them fooking n00b tubes for ya.
ruining games and cloaks since 2007
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 11, 2010, 10:08:19 am
No no no no no no.............

I meant a pred can take 6 grenades in the recent films. But back in the first 1987 film Arnie fries the cloak with an explodey-arrow.


It appears they have upgrades nowadays.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 10:21:15 am
No no no no no no.............

I meant a pred can take 6 grenades in the recent films. But back in the first 1987 film Arnie fries the cloak with an explodey-arrow.


It appears they have upgrades nowadays.

An explody arrow that was shot at a pile of concealed explosives. It was fried because it was a lucky hit that fried its wrist computer, it still didn't do anything to its other armored sections. After all, it took several more of those and even though it was bleeding it STILL wouldn't go down.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Flipside on July 11, 2010, 10:25:08 am
I didn't think it was very much in the Predator 'ethos' to have honour-based combat where one side is wearing the equivalent of several inches of steel plated armour, that really doesn't sound like the way I imagined them.

Edit: Though, in honesty, I never quite understood the Predators 'Thermonuclear Deathsplosion' either, why wipe out a large area simply because the hunt ended badly? That sort of goes against the image of them that was put forward as well, destroying the evidence of their existence, that I can understand, but that just seems a little over the top.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 11:09:19 am
I didn't think it was very much in the Predator 'ethos' to have honour-based combat where one side is wearing the equivalent of several inches of steel plated armour, that really doesn't sound like the way I imagined them.

Edit: Though, in honesty, I never quite understood the Predators 'Thermonuclear Deathsplosion' either, why wipe out a large area simply because the hunt ended badly? That sort of goes against the image of them that was put forward as well, destroying the evidence of their existence, that I can understand, but that just seems a little over the top.


Well when we go on a hunt we often use camoflouge and scoped, high power rifles. The only difference being what they are hunting can shoot back at them. They also aren't covered head to toe in it, just certain areas. That being said they are already naturally extremely tough, in the 1987 film one took a medium calibur bullet to the leg and was still able to run away. Considering all that I'm not so sure a grenade would actually do much other than to possibly stun it if you're lucky.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 11, 2010, 11:13:04 am
This is all about denying lesser species pred-tech.
Simple as.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 11:48:33 am
Or it's just because losing to a lesser species (like us) is a major dishonor. Perhaps both.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Scotty on July 11, 2010, 12:26:08 pm
There's an interesting theory on the CBT forums about how these aren't "Hunter caste" Predators, and would use a different set of ethos during the hunt.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 11, 2010, 01:22:12 pm
An explody arrow that was shot at a pile of concealed explosives. It was fried because it was a lucky hit that fried its wrist computer, it still didn't do anything to its other armored sections. After all, it took several more of those and even though it was bleeding it STILL wouldn't go down.

This remains irrevelant to the fact that then, and now, the majority of the Predator's body is uncovered skin and as such he should be much more like a sieve then he actually does.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Sololop on July 11, 2010, 01:51:22 pm
This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Titan on July 11, 2010, 04:03:33 pm
This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.

'They couldn't PAY me to see this film.'  :P
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Scotty on July 11, 2010, 05:48:26 pm
This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.

Please, enlighten us on why.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 07:57:43 pm
An explody arrow that was shot at a pile of concealed explosives. It was fried because it was a lucky hit that fried its wrist computer, it still didn't do anything to its other armored sections. After all, it took several more of those and even though it was bleeding it STILL wouldn't go down.

This remains irrevelant to the fact that then, and now, the majority of the Predator's body is uncovered skin and as such he should be much more like a sieve then he actually does.


Unless their skin is tougher. Just speculation though.

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There's an interesting theory on the CBT forums about how these aren't "Hunter caste" Predators, and would use a different set of ethos during the hunt.

Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: General Battuta on July 11, 2010, 08:16:37 pm
Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

how

this doesn't even
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Scotty on July 11, 2010, 09:24:57 pm
Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

 :wtf:

Wait, I think I see how you could --

No, still :wtf:
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Snail on July 11, 2010, 09:26:33 pm
Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

how

this doesn't even
Ants have a caste system. :)
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: StarSlayer on July 11, 2010, 09:48:42 pm
Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

how

this doesn't even
Ants have a caste system. :)

So didn't the Prussian officer corps pre-1806 which was a contributing factor in their army collapsing when they first fought Napoleon.  :P
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Bobboau on July 11, 2010, 09:51:10 pm
you have a hunter cast, and a scholar cast, and an engineering cast, and a worker cast, the hunters could remain largely socially unchanged while the scholars and engineers make newer and more advanced spears.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 11, 2010, 09:56:30 pm
So didn't the Prussian officer corps pre-1806 which was a contributing factor in their army collapsing when they first fought Napoleon.  :P

You could make that point about every time Germany has lost a war.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Flipside on July 11, 2010, 10:29:23 pm
Well, maybe I was just spoiled by the books, but I certainly got the impression of Predators that, whilst they didn't mind an advantage, it still had to be a challenge to the point that simply walking out of a bush, strolling up to someone and killing them was not an option. I'd say armour strong enough to withstand 6 grandes is not exactly 'sporting' ;)

As Kosh pointed out, humans often highly outclass the creatures you hunt, but then, I've never really considered using nightscopes, camoflauge and a high-velocity rifle for hunting rabbits as a sport that carries much risk as such, but then, the Predators are not humans, they seem to need far more actual physical risk in their hunt.

A Caste system was mentioned in the books iirc, and that would also explain that mentality to a degree, caste systems, obviously, lean towards different skills depending on the caste, and that specialisation can lead to a search for perfection, sometimes to almost self-destructive levels. Take Spartans from ancient Greece as a good example of what happens when a caste becomes extremely specialised, Spartan warriors were some of the greatest in history, but they were also famous for being confident to the point of arrogance, famously, unwilling to withdraw from any fight, and yet, would also dislike having to fight a foe that was grossly inferior, believing there was no honour in a battle that could not be lost. Spartan initiation rituals were pretty brutal in nature, not all would-be warriors survived it, and that, to the Spartans, was how things should be, the weak would fall.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: StarSlayer on July 11, 2010, 10:40:24 pm
Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 10:45:31 pm
you have a hunter cast, and a scholar cast, and an engineering cast, and a worker cast, the hunters could remain largely socially unchanged while the scholars and engineers make newer and more advanced spears.


Which is really no different from what we consider a "career".


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Well, maybe I was just spoiled by the books, but I certainly got the impression of Predators that, whilst they didn't mind an advantage, it still had to be a challenge to the point that simply walking out of a bush, strolling up to someone and killing them was not an option. I'd say armour strong enough to withstand 6 grandes is not exactly 'sporting'

Exactly, which is why they hunt prey with machine guns or acidic blood or something like that. A grenade is not like C4, it kills mostly by shrapnel, which even with normal steel can be blocked. Now imagine what a superior metal could do.

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Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.

Except in this case there wouldn't be slave, they would choose when they are young which caste to join based on what they like.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Flipside on July 11, 2010, 10:46:51 pm
Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.

Yup, the Thespians, assumed to be a people made up entirely of slaves from other races. Predators may have a 'worker' caste, in a similar fashion to Ants, and would not have that trouble if that were so, but, in reality, it's all speculation, I suppose the Films define the Universe, not vice-versa, I can say it 'seems' wrong, but if it's in the movie, what can I say? ;)
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: General Battuta on July 11, 2010, 10:56:58 pm
Except in this case there wouldn't be slave, they would choose when they are young which caste to join based on what they like.

Then it's not a caste system. It's called 'getting a job'.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Kosh on July 11, 2010, 11:56:52 pm
It's a caste if once you join, it's very hard to get out.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: General Battuta on July 12, 2010, 12:12:30 am
It's a caste if once you join, it's very hard to get out.

I thought that was Fight Club.
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Flipside on July 12, 2010, 12:13:45 am
I think casteing in this respect would be genetic rather than social, but then, I've always kind of imagined Predators as similar to the bored children of aristocrats in the 18th Century, who used to go travelling to India to hunt Tigers, so maybe they are the upper classes of a race that simply doesn't think like Humans in some ways, and thinks frighteningly like Humans in others ;)
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Dilmah G on July 12, 2010, 01:12:08 am
It's a caste if once you join, it's very hard to get out.

I thought that was Fight Club.
Good movie. :yes:
Title: Re: Predators
Post by: Nuclear1 on July 13, 2010, 07:32:19 am
It's a caste if once you join, it's very hard to get out.

I thought that was Fight Club.

NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO RULES BROKEN

PUNISHABLE BY 12 CONCURRENT DEATH SENTENCES

I SHALL HEREBY CARRY OUT THE SENTENCE.

Title: Re: Predators
Post by: StarSlayer on July 13, 2010, 08:37:37 am
I think casteing in this respect would be genetic rather than social, but then, I've always kind of imagined Predators as similar to the bored children of aristocrats in the 18th Century, who used to go travelling to India to hunt Tigers, so maybe they are the upper classes of a race that simply doesn't think like Humans in some ways, and thinks frighteningly like Humans in others ;)

Um relating predators to these guys...
(http://www.blakeneymanor.com/images/carryon/fop.jpg)

let's not do that :D