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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Wiki Project => Topic started by: Black Wolf on November 01, 2010, 09:13:33 am
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Some of you may remember this post from the Featured Campaign thread:
Now, some kind of featured mod of the moment, or gallery of modded ships accessed similarly to the way random screenshots are grabbed, might work. If people want, I can have a look at implementing something.
Well, I've had a look. and found what I want to do. I've asked Goober to implement this (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:W4G_Rating_Bar). What this iwll allow us to do is to put a rating bar onto the article for every mod on the wiki, and get a user rating for them. Moreover, we can then generate top lists - most likely top 5 or 10, to be placed on the Modding Portal (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Portal:Modding) page. It can also be used to generate a separate list for top rated campaigns. This would be the first step in a few other ideas I have to improve the modding portal, and make it generally more useful.
Now, I had planned to just get this feature going as a bit of a surprise for everyone, but Goob has requested I make this thread prior to implementing it to make sure nobody has any strong objections to the system. Personally, I think that it'd be a great addition to the wiki, and it'll give a little bit more recognition to the very best mods in our collection. It might even spur on a bit more effort towards very high quality asset creation - after all, everyone likes their hard work to be recognized.
So, opinions anyone? It'll be a week before anything can be done (Goob is on holidays) so there's plenty of time.
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top ten campaigns earns a huge noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo from me
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IMHO, such a system is rather useless. Who will rate the campaigns? The problem I see is that the wiki only gets visited for research purposes; there aren't that many people who just browse it. You'll end up with the few top-dog campaigns staying on top, while most others will go by unrated.
Finally, there's these discussions: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=71148.0 and http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=71989.0
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Well personally, I'd rate it. Perhaps such a feature would encourage people to browse the wiki more often? Would a trial period be feasible?
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There's enough inter-project hatred and loathing already, we don't need to add fuel to the fire. The great mods seem to get enough exposure from word of mouth really.
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There's enough inter-project hatred and loathing already, we don't need to add fuel to the fire. The great mods seem to get enough exposure from word of mouth really.
this a thousand times
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Having broached the idea in IRC, the negatives seem to be focussing on rating campaigns. So let's consider this as two issues - we can implement the tool and use it to rate campaigns and/or individual mods (ships I mean, new models). So think of them individually if you like.
[EDIT]Just to clarify, I'm personally still pro the idea for both campaigns and mods - I'm all about the quantifying of subjective opinion - but I'm happy enough with it going to just mods if there're really strong objections.
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Having broached the idea in IRC, the negatives seem to be focussing on rating campaigns. So let's consider this as two issues - we can implement the tool and use it to rate campaigns and/or individual mods (ships I mean, new models). So think of them individually if you like.
[EDIT]Just to clarify, I'm personally still pro the idea for both campaigns and mods - I'm all about the quantifying of subjective opinion - but I'm happy enough with it going to just mods if there're really strong objections.
I don't want ratings. I would be OK with adding a "reviews" section to mods and/or campaigns though.
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Having broached the idea in IRC, the negatives seem to be focussing on rating campaigns. So let's consider this as two issues - we can implement the tool and use it to rate campaigns and/or individual mods (ships I mean, new models). So think of them individually if you like.
[EDIT]Just to clarify, I'm personally still pro the idea for both campaigns and mods - I'm all about the quantifying of subjective opinion - but I'm happy enough with it going to just mods if there're really strong objections.
I don't want ratings. I would be OK with adding a "reviews" section to mods and/or campaigns though.
Those do exist. See Vassago's Dirge for a decent example.
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There wouldn't be enough votes to be representative of actual quality, not to mention players pay attention to different things, which cannot be put into numbers.
FSMods already has a rating feature. Take a tour around the downloads section and see how popular the rating system is. If we were a vast community, such a system would be useful.
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I agree with this wise man's post.
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There's enough inter-project hatred and loathing already, we don't need to add fuel to the fire. The great mods seem to get enough exposure from word of mouth really.
this a thousand times
What what what? Do you really think there's "exaggerated" interproject rivalry here? :wtf:
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Considering a number of outbursts leveled against Blue Planet of late, yes.
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I actually think Mobius is pretty cool, if anything I've been kinda hard on what he's shown w/r/t Inferno of late. But all in all...it's just not worth taking risks with it, y'know?
Like I says, we're all in this together, what's good for one is good for all, hup hup hup proper good show mate.
although I gotta say Mobius, I don't think that's how you use exaggerated :nervous:
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Considering a number of outbursts leveled against Blue Planet of late, yes.
I don't know what you're refering to, exactly, but please forgive me for saying that if it has anything to do with Inferno then it's 101% wrong. And let's not discuss the subject any further.
Back on topic:
Because ratings result in a series of issues many of which have been pretty much summarized by TopAce, I'd support small reviews providing that they don't fall into elitism.
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providing that they don't fall into elitism.
What does this mean?
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Member X's reviews are better than member Y's because X > Y and stuff like that. I don't want to see anything like that.
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Member X's reviews are better than member Y's because X > Y and stuff like that. I don't want to see anything like that.
What I did here (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Blue_Planet:_War_in_Heaven#Player_Comments) was just go through the first few pages of the release thread and post every reaction I found, except I cut about half of the positive ones and tried to emphasize the negative ones to make it a bit more balanced.
Does that seem fair to you?
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I like what you did there. :) Any chance to see longer reviews in the future?
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I can post the really long ones, sure.
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Except I dunno. Does anyone really need to be told that much about the campaign in advance? It'd eat up a lot of room on the wiki page and I'm not sure it'd be of much benefit.
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Does the Wiki have an option that is even remotely comparable to this forum's code tags? If we have such option, I suggest using it to add long reviews without making Wiki articles confusing. I hope you got what I mean. :)
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I am very pro such a rating bar - on the campaign list page for instance which includes more than 100 campaigns.
I am not for using this rating bar to create a special page "top 10 campaigns".
Edit : After reading and thinking about the arguments - I changed my mind and I am now moderately against such a system.