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Title: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 03:58:15 pm
Maaaaaaan, it was just actually starting to get good this season. They just had to kill Chloe and Boyscout and make it the Rush-Greer Show with a side of Mulan.

ffffffff****. Televised SF is dead.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 16, 2010, 04:06:59 pm
i disagree.  it was getting worse by the episode.  honestly i don't think they ever should have done it.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mars on December 16, 2010, 04:28:20 pm
Well, sci-fi as a breed is dying out. Action/adventure movies with a flavor of sci-fi will remain (Star Trek). Someday, sci-fi will be back, in the mean time there is enough sci-fi backloged in novels to last at least much of a lifetime.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Starman01 on December 16, 2010, 04:35:32 pm
I didn't liked the series from the start, and in germany only the first season was aired (was there even a second ? )

I haven't watched it completly, television was just running as background noise because they got on my nerves from the first episode. I had the impression, that 90 % of the story plot was fighting wo is actually in charge, no matter where they were, or which people are involved. Always the same fight, I got sick of it.  Actors were also pretty bad IMO.

Certainly no loss if you ask me.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 04:42:32 pm
i disagree.  it was getting worse by the episode.  honestly i don't think they ever should have done it.

Almost all of Season 2 was pretty good, with the episode after what's-her-face got killed by what's-his-face actually being truly excellent. The one with Rush and Young trapped on the other ship was also really good. And the reveal of Destiny's mission, definitely good.

It was going good places.

I didn't liked the series from the start, and in germany only the first season was aired (was there even a second ? )

I haven't watched it completly, television was just running as background noise because they got on my nerves from the first episode. I had the impression, that 90 % of the story plot was fighting wo is actually in charge, no matter where they were, or which people are involved. Always the same fight, I got sick of it.  Actors were also pretty bad IMO.

Certainly no loss if you ask me.

Season 1 was pretty meh but Season 2 was quite good.

And it's definitely a loss whether you liked it or not - the show's end coming so soon after Caprica's cancellation means that, with Fringe on the edge of cancellation, televised SF is in serious trouble. No matter the problems with SGU's execution, it tried to do something that most shows didn't have the balls to - bring in a real SF writer as an advisor, steer clear of forehead aliens, and have actual consequences.

Its writers couldn't live up to that standard most of the time. But I'd rather have someone trying and failing than not trying at all.

Plus Robert Carlyle was just an excellent actor. The show was worth watching just for him.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Starman01 on December 16, 2010, 04:53:38 pm
I agree that television Scifi is in very bad shape. I still don't get the reason why that is. Due to computertechnic, it's certainly no longer a cost factor, it's more a matter of bad authors.

Most of the stuff you people talk about here, doesn't even make it across the Ocean, and germany isn't that 3rd world actually :)

I think BSG made it only to Season 2 (if ever), Caprica I don't even know.

Example : I liked the extremly cool and modern special effects and CGI from BSG, even if I never get if there was a connection between the original or not, but I doubt there is, since it's more a remake. But which idiot brought up the idea, that the cylons have had an evolution towards sex addicted humans at all ? Also , the choice of actors was pretty bad in my opinion. Maybe the authors should have watched a little more at youporn, so they could have let them out of the series (not that I don't like stuff liked that, but when I want sex, I don't watch a scifi show)

There are so many good scifis out there, I don't get it why no one is able to create something. StarWars, Battletech, BSG, WingCommander, Spinoffs from those, there is so much possible.

However, it's often a case how long series exists. Example : I'm a big stargate fan. The orginal was very good and famous in germany, maybe except the stupid Ori part, that was a shot over the finish line.

SG Atlantis I didn't liked from the first season, but this series developed, and with the following seasons I really start to like it (mostly), actors also got better.

Fazit : I don't think it's a matter of the audience vanishing, but it's the authors that really suck nowadays :( (not in case of SGU maybe, except the command chain fighting, I found the plot quite interesting)
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 04:58:26 pm
Sex has as much a place in televised SF as violence - it's an aspect of the human condition that's going to be examined, especially in something like Battlestar which is an intentional examination of human behavior and the line between man and machine. The sex in SGU, on the other hand, was generally pretty badly handled and didn't add much.

Universe was the first Stargate show since the first six seasons of SG-1 to really try to do something different, something closer to the quality of literary SF. It mostly failed, but I think that intent should've been rewarded.

It wasn't BSG-good, but it was headed in the right direction. (And if you only saw the first two seasons of BSG, you saw all the really good stuff.)

SGU had some major talent attached to it in the form of John Scalzi, who wrote Old Man's War. Wish they'd tapped him a little more heavily.

And no, SF authors do not suck these days; literary SF is brilliant. You just don't see that brilliance on the comparatively restrained and backwards television, except for BSG and Lost at their respective bests.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Starman01 on December 16, 2010, 05:16:20 pm
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Sex has as much a place in televised SF as violence - it's an aspect of the human condition that's going to be examined, especially in something like Battlestar which is an intentional examination of human behavior and the line between man and machine.

Yes, it's natural and human, I agree on that. I just don't like the way they brought it over. First scene, Blond sexy chicks get in, seduce bored guy and they get blown up.

Let's nuke a dozend colonies, and have sex while doing so.  And some more.

I just don't liked the way they portrayed that, massive violence and Genozid, combined with Sex-Addiction.  If they would have made it more subtile, like an experiment to figure out what love is, that would be great. Instead, every cylon is ****ing it's way through the population. That was bad, completly destroyed my view of the cylons as complex menacing machines with different thinkings.

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And no, SF authors do not suck these days

Sorry, should have written more clearer. SF Authors do not suck generally. I meant those scripts written for television adaption, though I cannot say, is it the authors fault, or maybe the fault of the guys removing parts for budget reasons.

Going to bed now, N8 :)

(Edit) BTW; one thing interests me with SGU :) What was the Destiny's original Mission ? I remember a line where they said, the Destiny was exploring, and other Lantian ships followed and deployed Stargates. Is that right ?
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: MP-Ryan on December 16, 2010, 05:23:59 pm
Boooo!  Tell me they're at least going to air a few more episodes =(
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 05:27:37 pm
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Sex has as much a place in televised SF as violence - it's an aspect of the human condition that's going to be examined, especially in something like Battlestar which is an intentional examination of human behavior and the line between man and machine.

Yes, it's natural and human, I agree on that. I just don't like the way they brought it over. First scene, Blond sexy chicks get in, seduce bored guy and they get blown up.

but they didn't get blown up.  :blah:

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I just don't liked the way they portrayed that, massive violence and Genozid, combined with Sex-Addiction.  If they would have made it more subtile, like an experiment to figure out what love is, that would be great.

That is what it ended up being revealed as, remember?

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Instead, every cylon is ****ing it's way through the population. That was bad, completly destroyed my view of the cylons as complex menacing machines with different thinkings.

Both the Cylons who were having sex with humans at the beginning of the show were infiltrators who seduced important targets as part of their mission. That's fairly complex and menacing.

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(Edit) BTW; one thing interests me with SGU :) What was the Destiny's original Mission ? I remember a line where they said, the Destiny was exploring, and other Lantian ships followed and deployed Stargates. Is that right ?

Destiny's original mission was revealed in season 2 and turned out to be really cool. I won't spoil it.

Boooo!  Tell me they're at least going to air a few more episodes =(

Yeah, we still get the last ten, but I'm sure it'll end on a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: SpardaSon21 on December 16, 2010, 05:31:16 pm
Caprica: Canceled as soon as it starts to get good.

SG:U: Canceled as soon as it starts to get good.

What's up next for cancellation by these guys, Firefly?
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: IceFire on December 16, 2010, 06:07:47 pm
Too bad... I'm a die hard Stargate fan and I was thinking that Universe was having trouble finding it's legs but it had just found them in the beginning stages of Season 2. Now all I can hope for is a reasonable ending to the series. If it ends on a cliffhanger then that'll just be a punch in the face. Get it done!
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: BloodEagle on December 16, 2010, 06:21:29 pm
SG:U wasn't Science Fiction.  At least, it wasn't for the few episodes that I watched.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Rodo on December 16, 2010, 06:24:17 pm
I liked it, a bump.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 06:26:36 pm
SG:U wasn't Science Fiction.  At least, it wasn't for the few episodes that I watched.

You sure you don't mean "this show wasn't the science fantasy I've had fed to me as science fiction"? Because for all its failings and its godawful montages and irritating characters, it paid a hell of a lot more attention to real science and to naturalism than any of the previous Stargate shows, or even, in some respects, than BSG.

Except those stupid stones.

No disrespect, but I usually find that this kind of statement boils down to 'I was scared of the sex' or 'I was scared of the people all being assholes to each other', rather than to one of the (many, legitimate) criticisms of the show's numerous faults. The popular idea of what science fiction is has been perverted by too many years of science fantasy **** like Trek or old school space opera like B5.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Scotty on December 16, 2010, 06:28:59 pm
BloodEagle:  Please allow me to direct your attention to the subgenre of science fiction titled "Fantastic Voyage."  I'll let you puzzle out exactly what means on your own.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 06:29:21 pm
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Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 06:32:33 pm
And yeah, here's someone else's comment that echoes my feelings on the show's strengths, and why I kept watching in spite of all the crap about it I found tremendously grating.

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They cranked up the alien-ness of the aliens, and picked some more conservative terms for the Drake equation, and killed all the space-time woobies, and used real astronomy terms correctly, and then remembered, like most of the members of the SF canon, that half the trouble with exploring strange new worlds is the strains it puts on us little hairless apes in our tin cans, trapped with the Monsters of the Id far from the Green Fields of Earth. I know there was an audience cohort that was irritated (or judging from a handful of comments on Mallozi's blog, despondent) that there was so much time devoted to the banalities of divorces and miscarriages and all the rest, but that's what happens when you don't get to gate home victorious before dinner. An honest portrayal of any adventure, whether it's in the American West or the Pegasus Galaxy, needs to include the bittersweet truth that adventure can have costs- and what makes our heroes epic or tragic is whether those costs are worth it. SGU was trending towards that recognition....
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 16, 2010, 09:17:26 pm
it's called science FICTION, and you go off calling it NOT science fiction because the science was fictional? 

wut?  :wtf: 


I call SGU not science fiction because it was essentially a soap opera set on a spaceship.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 09:20:32 pm
it's called science FICTION, and you go off calling it NOT science fiction because the science was fictional? 

wut?  :wtf:

I don't know who this is aimed at. It's not called science FICTION, it's called 'science fiction', and most of what we get on TV is soft enough to be science fantasy - Trek, for instance.

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I call SGU not science fiction because it was essentially a soap opera set on a spaceship.

No, it was a flailing attempt to be BSG. Most of its characterization was crappy, don't get me wrong, but I'll take a bad shot at actual human characters over another team of quipping cutouts any day.

And Robert Carlyle and Louis Ferrera just dominated. Also Greer was great.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nuke on December 16, 2010, 09:37:50 pm
well this sucks. seems once again i have no reason at all to turn on the tv.

there are still some good shows on amc. breaking bad for one, the walking dead is also pretty cool. but these are series with very short season runs. when did it become trendy to make series with 10 or less episodes? in the golden days of b5 and star trek series, there was usually a 20-25 episode run. now we got these short seasons that are over almost as fast as they start. tv in general has gone to ****. almost everything on tv is filler now. when i was a kid i could spend 10 hours a weekend watching fresh new episodes of tv shows, most of which were scifi shows, and this was broadcast tv, we didnt even have cable back then, we didnt need it. at least go back to playing classic scifi shows, if anything.

i would like to see some tv series' based on battletech or dune perhaps.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Liberator on December 16, 2010, 11:45:21 pm
So this leaves Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka as the only entertaining SciFi shows left in an increasingly mundane Television landscape composed of 30 minute "comedies" that are not particularly funny or poignant, just veiled sexual reference after reference, so-called "reality" shows that remain popular despite how utterly boring they are and actual reality shows where professionals kick amateur performers in the balls on national television.  TV has nothing left to draw me in except for House reruns and SVU(which is getting tired).
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 16, 2010, 11:50:57 pm
So this leaves Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka as the only entertaining SciFi shows left in an increasingly mundane Television landscape composed of 30 minute "comedies" that are not particularly funny or poignant, just veiled sexual reference after reference, so-called "reality" shows that remain popular despite how utterly boring they are and actual reality shows where professionals kick amateur performers in the balls on national television.  TV has nothing left to draw me in except for House reruns and SVU(which is getting tired).

You forgot Fringe and the sometimes excellent Supernatural.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nuke on December 17, 2010, 12:27:17 am
i must point out that i dont like any of the shows mentioned in the last 2 posts.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: BloodEagle on December 17, 2010, 12:38:20 am
Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek: Voyager, etc. == Science Fantasy.  Science Fantasy makes no real attempts to explain the way in which the rules work. (See: "Timey Whimey Stuff.")

Star Trek* (TOS/TNG), Ender's Game, Eureka**, etc. == Science Fiction.  Science Fiction takes great pains in explaining why things act the way that they do, in a way that is plausible in comparison to our own reality's rules. (See: Warp Engines; Ignore episodes related to retcons).

For the few episodes of SG:U that I watched, there were no efforts made to explain how any of the nonsense (outside of basic chemistry) that they were doing made any freaking sense, whatsoever.

*Gets some stuff wrong, mainly when the plot calls for it.
**Gets a lot of stuff wrong, whenever it damned well feels like it.  This is dead-center between Science Fantasy and Science Fiction.

Note: Science Fantasy != Fantasy Science (See: The Name of The Wind / Mistborn Series).
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mars on December 17, 2010, 12:42:17 am
Meh, it just means I'll go back to watching Law and Order: SVU and Burn Notice.  (And yes, I know. Burn Notice)
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 17, 2010, 07:11:00 am
For the few episodes of SG:U that I watched, there were no efforts made to explain how any of the nonsense (outside of basic chemistry) that they were doing made any freaking sense, whatsoever.

Jumping to conclusions based on low sample size is profoundly silly. Even the least 'hard' episodes of SGU were on par with mid-range Trek. The reveal of Destiny's ultimate mission was more hard SF than anything ever done on Trek; in fact it was brilliant.

Citing Ender's Game as science fiction is profoundly silly because Ender's Game, like BSG or some of SGU, is naturalistic SF: it presents fantastic devices (the ansible, the MDD, later philotes) and simply asks us to accept that they work. Which is not by any means a bad thing; in fact it's how fantastic technology should often be handled.

Read the quote I, er, quoted above for reasons why SGU did more to advance the accuracy and naturalism of televised SF than any show since Battlestar.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Hippo on December 17, 2010, 07:18:44 am
saddness :(
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nemesis6 on December 17, 2010, 10:10:38 am
Question is -- Did they cry in the last episode?  :D
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Colonol Dekker on December 17, 2010, 10:48:14 am
Stargatevoyager is dead?

Oh well :sigh:
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: lostllama on December 17, 2010, 12:42:00 pm
I feared that this might happen. :sigh: :(
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Flipside on December 17, 2010, 12:57:44 pm
I'm always in two minds when a series like this gets cancelled, it's kind of like Babylon 5, people crave more, but if it had continued at the same rate as Star Trek and Stargate would it now just be another niche sci-fi series that used to be good but, in order to maintain viewer numbers, kept increasing its scope to the point of ridiculous?
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mefustae on December 17, 2010, 03:44:08 pm
****.

****, ****, ****.

****, ****, ****ing ****ety ****. ****.

I'm not going to bother commenting on the quality of SG:U as a series, and rather let the 2mx1m singed and framed poster of the cast right behind me do the talking.

Well, there goes Stargate. A show I've been enjoying constantly since the 90's, always knowing that, at some stage, there would be another episode to watch. To me, this is worse than the cancellation of ongoing Trek, because I was honestly too young to really understand or get into TNG and DS9 when they first aired. But then there was Stargate. Along came this awesome, entertaining show that featured awesome aliens being taken down with modern military technology (Death Glider vs. Stinger; Stinger wins), awesome actors I recognized (RDA, whoo!), and some full-frontal nudity thrown in for the lols. This was finally something I could watch from the beginning and truly understand. A show I could honestly say I was true fan of, right from the get-go. Through all its iterations, barely a dozen episodes I could honestly say I disliked. And now, it's over. The back-end of Season 2 is going to be small comfort, considering that this is the first time in over 10 years that new Stargate is not being actively developed, written or produced.

Unless something very, very nice happens in the near future, I foresee a bleak landscape of sub-standard sci-fi wank for a good long while.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: MP-Ryan on December 17, 2010, 04:24:36 pm
You forgot Fringe and the sometimes excellent Supernatural.

If Fringe gets canceled, I'm going to lose it.  That show, despite some glaring scientific problems that I do have to try hard to look past, is excellent.  SG:U had it's problems, but it was getting better - and I enjoyed the feel of it.  It had so much potential, but the formulaic rigidity of the original SG1 and SGA fanbase is, I think, what ultimately killed it.  People wanted the same quirkiness of the other Stargate series and weren't ready for the darker tone.

By the way, for those saying it's a soap opera in space... have you ever watched a bloody soap opera?  Science fiction does not have to be (and indeed, if you look at the works of people like Asimov, isn't) the portrayals popularized in Star Trek, Babylon 5 (though I loved that show), and the first two Stargate's.  It can be gritty, detail-oriented, and grim... in fact, I argue it's at its best when it's set that way.  H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" is an excellent piece of SF material, and it is negative to an extreme.

This annoys me.  Whenever someone finally writes a series that has serious potential for depth, the networks squash it.  At least more Doctor Who episodes are imminent.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Black Wolf on December 17, 2010, 07:32:28 pm
****.

****, ****, ****.

****, ****, ****ing ****ety ****. ****.

This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM. :(

Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 17, 2010, 09:27:50 pm
stargate's not completely dead.  there is supposed to be an atlantis movie.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 17, 2010, 09:33:16 pm
eugh, atlantis  :blah:
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: IceFire on December 17, 2010, 10:23:34 pm
eugh, atlantis  :blah:
I love that show. Atlantis was fantastic... and it's fresh in my memory as I was sick the last three days on a couch. Atlantis was on the menu. That one needed another season before they jumped into SGU...

I still want a movie out of that one.

It wasn't as hard hitting as SGU... but it was fun.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Aurora Paradox on December 17, 2010, 10:40:05 pm
Its a shame they canceled SGU.  The second season was a great improvement over the first.  Its disappointing to see another Stargate show canceled.  I cannot understand the logic of the Syfy channel.  They keep killing shows with so much potential.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 18, 2010, 12:34:18 am
because the rest of the world didn't like it.  they aren't going to keep a show with bad ratings.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mefustae on December 18, 2010, 12:44:37 am
stargate's not completely dead.  there is supposed to be an atlantis movie.
Not from what I heard. Went to a con a few months back, at which David Nykl and Connor Trinneer mentioned together that the movie was either in limbo or had been flat-out canceled. The situation may have changed since then, but I haven't personally seen anything.

This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM. :(
Don't think burlywood is going to be much of a go with the new forum theme.  :p
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: newman on December 18, 2010, 07:11:30 am
Oh for the love of.. this happens every frakkin' time I start getting attached to a show. I agree completely with Battuta's sentiments - it definitely wasn't perfect, but it did try to get close to literary sci fi and I found that lately it's been getting better at it.
Well, on the bright side, SyFy now has a free slot for more wrestling, because that's what quality science fiction is all about.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: headdie on December 18, 2010, 07:46:25 am
Oh for the love of.. this happens every frakkin' time I start getting attached to a show. I agree completely with Battuta's sentiments - it definitely wasn't perfect, but it did try to get close to literary sci fi and I found that lately it's been getting better at it.
Well, on the bright side, SyFy now has a free slot for more wrestling, because that's what quality science fiction is all about.

Watched K-9 this morning, the new Doctor Who spin-off, and its pretty lame, though entertaining from a kiddie perspective, nothing deep so far,
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: TopAce on December 18, 2010, 08:11:08 am
because the rest of the world didn't like it.  they aren't going to keep a show with bad ratings.

What bad ratings? I checked IMDB, and all but a few episodes were rated above 7/10. I remember two that were in the 6.5 - 7.0 range. Is that bad?
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nuke on December 18, 2010, 08:18:18 am
i didnt expect sgu to last long when it started. seemed they were trying to feed to hoards of bsg fans with more of the same gritty kind of scifi, in the wake of bsg. cant say it was anything spectacular either. its sad that they went and canceled atlantis though, because that was at least somewhat funny. at this point there much point in resurrecting new franchises. everything we had were essentially spin offs anyway. what we need it some kind of fresh material.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 18, 2010, 08:38:07 am
because the rest of the world didn't like it.  they aren't going to keep a show with bad ratings.

Actually, given that there's no good way to capture the timeshift audience right now, that's...not necessarily clear.

because the rest of the world didn't like it.  they aren't going to keep a show with bad ratings.

What bad ratings? I checked IMDB, and all but a few episodes were rated above 7/10. I remember two that were in the 6.5 - 7.0 range. Is that bad?

He means Nielsen ratings, i.e. a sample of how many people are watching a show, which is used by advertisers to determine how much to pay to get their ads in the show.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: TopAce on December 18, 2010, 08:40:29 am
Ah.

I figured it was somehow related to ads and profit. :P
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Kosh on December 19, 2010, 02:53:48 am
There's been a number of Sci-fi shows that have been canned in the last 5 years after only a season or two. Invasion, Threshold, the 4400, Surface, and now this. 
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nemesis6 on December 19, 2010, 07:21:18 am
Someone should do a cry-count on Stargate Universe. You know, like someone counted how many times Obama and McCain would say would say "uhh", and "my friends", respectively.

By the way, how many of the cast died along the way? It gives me joy thinking about their stale acting being hampered by rigor mortis, or possibly from being a frozen piece of space debris! :lol:
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mars on December 21, 2010, 03:03:43 am
When your only bread winner is the hot chick, for god's sake, don't kill her off!
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 21, 2010, 04:17:31 am
When your only bread winner is the hot chick, for god's sake, don't kill her off!

did they kill her off?  i haven't watched much of season 2.  and they probably kill so many off because the actors want off of the sinking ship.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Liberator on December 21, 2010, 05:25:00 am
Actually, AFAIK, none of the main cast every bought it.  Not even that on again, off again jerk Telford.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 21, 2010, 08:21:34 am
I liked Telford! He turned out to be pretty cool and had a good bromance with Young.

They killed off a few semimain characters and it seemed like Chloe was maybe on her way out. We'll find out in S2.

Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: S-99 on December 22, 2010, 07:58:09 am
Spoiler:
nope, i read the spoilers and now you're cursed to do so also :drevil:
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nemesis6 on December 22, 2010, 09:10:14 am
bromance

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/980/broforce.jpg)
Had to be done!
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Charismatic on December 25, 2010, 03:56:27 am
Caprica: Canceled as soon as it starts to get good.

SG:U: Canceled as soon as it starts to get good.

What's up next for cancellation by these guys, Firefly?

Cannot agree more.

Im still all for a FarScape 2..
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: newman on December 25, 2010, 05:33:25 am
Just be happy they don't have a time machine, or they'd go back and cancel shows that didn't get canceled originally.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Herra Tohtori on December 25, 2010, 07:00:02 am
When your only bread winner is the hot chick, for god's sake, don't kill her off!

Spoiler:
Which one are you referring to, Ginn or Dr. Amanda Perry?
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: The E on December 25, 2010, 12:11:05 pm
Both, I guess. The line did get kinda blurry at the end there.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Liberator on December 25, 2010, 03:31:59 pm
I think everyone is forgetting that Dr. Perry was a prisoner inside her own body when she wasn't inhabiting someone else using the stones.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mars on December 25, 2010, 08:33:31 pm
See, I just stopped caring, because all I knew was there was no plot I could care about anymore, and all of the interesting supporting characters were dying like flies; but it didn't matter since all of them were about as dynamic as the Pyramids of Giza.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mefustae on December 26, 2010, 03:51:06 am
See, I just stopped caring, because all I knew was there was no plot I could care about anymore, and all of the interesting supporting characters were dying like flies; but it didn't matter since all of them were about as dynamic as the Pyramids of Giza.
Hey, the Pyramids of Giza practically launched the idea of Stargate. The original Stargate movie based itself on the premise that the Pyramids were landing platforms for alien spacecraft, specifically Goa'uld pyramid ships. As such, your attempt at a cutting remark has actually demonstrated your knowledge of Stargate, not to mention your sharp wit.

Ergo, I'm going to take your statement as a veiled affirmation of your love for the Stargate franchise (or Starchise), which including Stargate Universe! :)
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 26, 2010, 06:09:14 am
I think that what we are dealing with is actually a symptom that goes well beyond the realm of Scifi.  We live in a world of immediate convenience, a world that has lost the meaning of patience.  Our idea of research today is to sit on our couch with a laptop.  We don't even have to shut our cars off, let alone get out of them to get a meal.  You don't have to wait til 8 pm to watch a movie on HBO, you can watch it on demand.  Everything is "on demand."  How does this affect our current view of entertainment?

I'm not a huge fan of Star Trek, the next Generation.  It's a good show, just not one that ever captured me.  Look at episodes from the first season.  The characters were growing, but hadn't yet gelled.  We were getting to know them as they were getting to know one another.  As they got to know one another, the reactions of the actors and the interaction between them became more natural somehow.  The last show that I saw where the characters were a great match and gelled immediately with wonderful interaction from the start was Eureka.  It's not so much that the show was well done, which it was, it was simply that the characters were so defined and grown that after one episode, we knew what to expect, and were comfortable with these people being in our homes.  Warehouse 13 came close, but didn't get to that level.  SGU didn't even come close.  But we didn't give it a chance to grow, the way we would have 20 years ago.

Beyond that, the Syfy channel has in my opinion made some truly horrid choices for things....mostly movies and mini series.  The magic that we experienced watching "Taken" was something to be reckoned with.  Everynight, 2 hours per night for 2 weeks, we sat glued to our TV.  They did a fantastic job, and then when it was over and we were riding high on what we had seen, they threw Frankenfish at us. 

The combination of lousy scripts that keep getting rehashed and redone, scripts that would be more suited to a mellowdrama so we could cheer the good guy and boo the bad guy and fun throwing popcorn at him, coupled with our "on demand" world is truly in my opinion spelling the doom of the scifi channel.  With nothing better to put on the channel, we get to watch wrestling. 

I think that we who build things, not just HLP but any modding site, or not even on the internet, something as inane as making a jewelry box, are more patient than most in matters like this, because we have to be patient to wait for that mod to come out, or for the 8th coat of laquer to dry.  But in that patience we learn that we want substance beyond "large breasted blond trips and gets killed by unstoppable murderer."

I'm as guilty as anyone of this, as CoW and CoW 2 show.  I've learned and am doing things differnet.  It takes time to grow something from nothing, and as the viewer or builder, we need to give things time to grow within us, as without.

anyway....that's my take on things.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: newman on December 26, 2010, 07:02:06 am
The fast pace of today's society is definitely a part of it. A bit difficult to have something of substance and atmosphere when you need to make a point in 5 seconds or you'll lose your viewer's attention.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Quanto on December 26, 2010, 07:18:37 am
Speaking as a massive StarGate fan, I hated the **** out of SG:U

It tried too hard to be like BSG, when it should have been Stargate; too much melodrama, too much grimdark and too much shaky camera. **** that ****. Good riddence to a terrible show.
And to be honest, not a single character was as awesome as the Characters from SG1 or Atlantis. Star Gate was always a kinda campy fun series, when you take all the fun out of the show, there really isn't much left for it to stand on. And that is why I think SG:U failed.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Locutus of Borg on December 26, 2010, 08:45:27 am
I'd take any character from SGU over McCay any day
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nuke on December 26, 2010, 12:13:32 pm
are you kidding? mccay was ****ing hilarious.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Mobius on December 26, 2010, 12:57:42 pm
The original Stargate movie based itself on the premise that the Pyramids were landing platforms for alien spacecraft, specifically Goa'uld pyramid ships.

How do you explain the presence of Nummulites gizehensis there, then? :p
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Klaustrophobia on December 26, 2010, 11:08:28 pm
are you kidding? mccay was ****ing hilarious.

i was frankly terrified when mccay was to be a main character in atlantis, but they made him awsome there.  i ****ing hated him in SG-1. 
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Nuke on December 26, 2010, 11:26:37 pm
thats because he was the outsider, he was that weird uncle you never talk about.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: NGTM-1R on December 29, 2010, 01:53:16 am
Stargate has never approached dark well. Later SGA showed it, all of SGU showed it. The franchise simply doesn't do it properly for whatever reason. One would hope they might realize it, but apparently not. Sci-fi as a whole doesn't seem to grasp that either. Their best projects have been, overwhelmingly, fairly light-hearted. BSG was the only thing they've done that wasn't and did well, and when it started full Diablous-Ex-Machina-ing it up too, it went south as well.

They also fell off the line BSG managed to walk about not going into too much detail but still remembering they're on a spaceship, by completely blowing the Lucien attack and how to use depressurizing as a defense. When BSG did that, it was just mentioned in passing as the Centurions being smart. When SGU did that, they made it pivotal to the episode and thereby exposed their ignorance. There were other mistakes along these lines too.

There are times where detail is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: newman on December 29, 2010, 07:58:59 am
i was frankly terrified when mccay was to be a main character in atlantis, but they made him awsome there.  i ****ing hated him in SG-1.

That's because you were supposed to. The McKay 1.0 in SG-1 was written to be an annoying coward, and was quite successful at that. They knew they couldn't make a main character like that work, which is why McKay goes through a massive transformation in Atlantis, right from episode one: while they start with him being somewhat cowardly, in the first few episodes they wrote a lot of plot devices that show him turning around to a more heroic character. Even if he's still expressing his fear a lot, he does things like step in front of a gun for Weir, walk right into a black energy cloud entity to save the city, etc. To make sure the transformation was apparent, they had Cavannaugh who basically had all of the McKay 1.0's failings and was even less likable - he was written that way intentionally so McKay would look good next to him. Personally, I found the reimagined McKay character to be one of the best things about Atlantis, the man was hilarious.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Liberator on December 29, 2010, 06:39:23 pm
McCay is definately one of the best characters in Atlantis, hell I like him better than Carter for pulling bullcrap solutions outta nowhere cause he can.
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 29, 2010, 07:52:30 pm
everything I saw of Atlantis made me vomit

i vomit a lot
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: Ransom on December 30, 2010, 03:40:34 am
Battuta watch the penultimate episode of Atlantis and nothing else. It is called Vegas and is basically stand-alone. The rest of the season and most of the show was a huge waste of time, but for that episode it was worth it

then they ruined it with the actual final episode which was the biggest poo
Title: Re: Stargate Universe cancelled
Post by: General Battuta on December 30, 2010, 10:39:08 am
Yeah I saw the final episode and it was all 'corridor fight', 'it's going to explode with our friend aboard'

but I will watch this Vegas