[Nuke]

well this sucks. seems once again i have no reason at all to turn on the tv.

there are still some good shows on amc. breaking bad for one, the walking dead is also pretty cool. but these are series with very short season runs. when did it become trendy to make series with 10 or less episodes? in the golden days of b5 and star trek series, there was usually a 20-25 episode run. now we got these short seasons that are over almost as fast as they start. tv in general has gone to ****. almost everything on tv is filler now. when i was a kid i could spend 10 hours a weekend watching fresh new episodes of tv shows, most of which were scifi shows, and this was broadcast tv, we didnt even have cable back then, we didnt need it. at least go back to playing classic scifi shows, if anything.

i would like to see some tv series' based on battletech or dune perhaps.

[Liberator]

So this leaves Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka as the only entertaining SciFi shows left in an increasingly mundane Television landscape composed of 30 minute "comedies" that are not particularly funny or poignant, just veiled sexual reference after reference, so-called "reality" shows that remain popular despite how utterly boring they are and actual reality shows where professionals kick amateur performers in the balls on national television.  TV has nothing left to draw me in except for House reruns and SVU(which is getting tired).

[General Battuta]

So this leaves Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka as the only entertaining SciFi shows left in an increasingly mundane Television landscape composed of 30 minute "comedies" that are not particularly funny or poignant, just veiled sexual reference after reference, so-called "reality" shows that remain popular despite how utterly boring they are and actual reality shows where professionals kick amateur performers in the balls on national television.  TV has nothing left to draw me in except for House reruns and SVU(which is getting tired).

You forgot Fringe and the sometimes excellent Supernatural.

[Nuke]

i must point out that i dont like any of the shows mentioned in the last 2 posts.

[BloodEagle]

Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek: Voyager, etc. == Science Fantasy.  Science Fantasy makes no real attempts to explain the way in which the rules work. (See: "Timey Whimey Stuff.")

Star Trek* (TOS/TNG), Ender's Game, Eureka**, etc. == Science Fiction.  Science Fiction takes great pains in explaining why things act the way that they do, in a way that is plausible in comparison to our own reality's rules. (See: Warp Engines; Ignore episodes related to retcons).

For the few episodes of SG:U that I watched, there were no efforts made to explain how any of the nonsense (outside of basic chemistry) that they were doing made any freaking sense, whatsoever.

*Gets some stuff wrong, mainly when the plot calls for it.
**Gets a lot of stuff wrong, whenever it damned well feels like it.  This is dead-center between Science Fantasy and Science Fiction.

Note: Science Fantasy != Fantasy Science (See: The Name of The Wind / Mistborn Series).

[Mars]

Meh, it just means I'll go back to watching Law and Order: SVU and Burn Notice.  (And yes, I know. Burn Notice)

[General Battuta]

For the few episodes of SG:U that I watched, there were no efforts made to explain how any of the nonsense (outside of basic chemistry) that they were doing made any freaking sense, whatsoever.

Jumping to conclusions based on low sample size is profoundly silly. Even the least 'hard' episodes of SGU were on par with mid-range Trek. The reveal of Destiny's ultimate mission was more hard SF than anything ever done on Trek; in fact it was brilliant.

Citing Ender's Game as science fiction is profoundly silly because Ender's Game, like BSG or some of SGU, is naturalistic SF: it presents fantastic devices (the ansible, the MDD, later philotes) and simply asks us to accept that they work. Which is not by any means a bad thing; in fact it's how fantastic technology should often be handled.

Read the quote I, er, quoted above for reasons why SGU did more to advance the accuracy and naturalism of televised SF than any show since Battlestar.

[Hippo]

saddness

[Nemesis6]

Question is -- Did they cry in the last episode? 

[Colonol Dekker]

Stargatevoyager is dead?

Oh well

[lostllama]

I feared that this might happen.

[Flipside]

I'm always in two minds when a series like this gets cancelled, it's kind of like Babylon 5, people crave more, but if it had continued at the same rate as Star Trek and Stargate would it now just be another niche sci-fi series that used to be good but, in order to maintain viewer numbers, kept increasing its scope to the point of ridiculous?

[Mefustae]

****.

****, ****, ****.

****, ****, ****ing ****ety ****. ****.

I'm not going to bother commenting on the quality of SG:U as a series, and rather let the 2mx1m singed and framed poster of the cast right behind me do the talking.

Well, there goes Stargate. A show I've been enjoying constantly since the 90's, always knowing that, at some stage, there would be another episode to watch. To me, this is worse than the cancellation of ongoing Trek, because I was honestly too young to really understand or get into TNG and DS9 when they first aired. But then there was Stargate. Along came this awesome, entertaining show that featured awesome aliens being taken down with modern military technology (Death Glider vs. Stinger; Stinger wins), awesome actors I recognized (RDA, whoo!), and some full-frontal nudity thrown in for the lols. This was finally something I could watch from the beginning and truly understand. A show I could honestly say I was true fan of, right from the get-go. Through all its iterations, barely a dozen episodes I could honestly say I disliked. And now, it's over. The back-end of Season 2 is going to be small comfort, considering that this is the first time in over 10 years that new Stargate is not being actively developed, written or produced.

Unless something very, very nice happens in the near future, I foresee a bleak landscape of sub-standard sci-fi wank for a good long while.

[MP-Ryan]

You forgot Fringe and the sometimes excellent Supernatural.

If Fringe gets canceled, I'm going to lose it.  That show, despite some glaring scientific problems that I do have to try hard to look past, is excellent.  SG:U had it's problems, but it was getting better - and I enjoyed the feel of it.  It had so much potential, but the formulaic rigidity of the original SG1 and SGA fanbase is, I think, what ultimately killed it.  People wanted the same quirkiness of the other Stargate series and weren't ready for the darker tone.

By the way, for those saying it's a soap opera in space... have you ever watched a bloody soap opera?  Science fiction does not have to be (and indeed, if you look at the works of people like Asimov, isn't) the portrayals popularized in Star Trek, Babylon 5 (though I loved that show), and the first two Stargate's.  It can be gritty, detail-oriented, and grim... in fact, I argue it's at its best when it's set that way.  H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" is an excellent piece of SF material, and it is negative to an extreme.

This annoys me.  Whenever someone finally writes a series that has serious potential for depth, the networks squash it.  At least more Doctor Who episodes are imminent.

[Black Wolf]

****.

****, ****, ****.

****, ****, ****ing ****ety ****. ****.

This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM.

[Klaustrophobia]

stargate's not completely dead.  there is supposed to be an atlantis movie.

[General Battuta]

eugh, atlantis 

[IceFire]

eugh, atlantis 

I love that show. Atlantis was fantastic... and it's fresh in my memory as I was sick the last three days on a couch. Atlantis was on the menu. That one needed another season before they jumped into SGU...

I still want a movie out of that one.

It wasn't as hard hitting as SGU... but it was fun.

[Aurora Paradox]

Its a shame they canceled SGU.  The second season was a great improvement over the first.  Its disappointing to see another Stargate show canceled.  I cannot understand the logic of the Syfy channel.  They keep killing shows with so much potential.

[Klaustrophobia]

because the rest of the world didn't like it.  they aren't going to keep a show with bad ratings.