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Site Management => Site Support / Feedback => Topic started by: Black Wolf on December 18, 2010, 10:16:18 pm
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This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM. :(
Don't think burlywood is going to be much of a go with the new forum theme. :p
New theme is only temporary. Once black BGs return, all will be well in the world, and my posts will be readable again. :)
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This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM. :(
Don't think burlywood is going to be much of a go with the new forum theme. :p
New theme is only temporary. Once black BGs return, all will be well in the world, and my posts will be readable again. :)
Personally I wish people would stop abusing colors, you, BengalTiger and everyone else included. Colors are supposed to emphasize and supplement contents of posts, not abused by using them in every goddammned post.
In the past I even considered disabling all color tags altogether until people stop abusing them and enable them again once point has gotten through so that they can be used sensibly.
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What prevented you from doing so? Did the other admins oppose it?
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This. Actually, the whole post. Stargate was awesome, Universe was probably my favourite show on TV ATM. :(
Don't think burlywood is going to be much of a go with the new forum theme. :p
New theme is only temporary. Once black BGs return, all will be well in the world, and my posts will be readable again. :)
Personally I wish people would stop abusing colors, you, BengalTiger and everyone else included. Colors are supposed to emphasize and supplement contents of posts, not abused by using them in every goddammned post.
In the past I even considered disabling all color tags altogether until people stop abusing them and enable them again once point has gotten through so that they can be used sensibly.
Alas, I've been doing it far too long to stop now. :)
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What prevented you from doing so? Did the other admins oppose it?
I didn't propose it because I thought it would harm those release topics, such as mediavps too much. But since 3.6.12 release topic uses far less colors than the old one...
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I didn't propose it because I thought it would harm those release topics, such as mediavps too much. But since 3.6.12 release topic uses far less colors than the old one...
Some support topics also use colours. But one could easily modify them to use bold and italics instead.
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Actually, since karajorma said he wanted to do this because of default SMF forum theme being used currently, I disabled all color tags. I can only hope this will stay even after HLP theme is back until people stop abusing colors. :p
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Well that was pretty douchebagish wasn't it?
Let me confirm that, even if the colour ban does last after the old theme returns, I'll be going back to burlywood as soon as I'm able. If people don't like it, they're free to put me on their ignore lists.
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Well that was pretty douchebagish wasn't it?
Let me confirm that, even if the colour ban does last after the old theme returns, I'll be going back to burlywood as soon as I'm able. If people don't like it, they're free to put me on their ignore lists.
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The topic change was pretty immature.
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If people want to color their posts it's their right. I see no reason to ban the use of colors.
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The topic change was pretty immature.
I rarely pretend to be anything but...
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Colors are supposed to emphasize and supplement contents of posts
Like how they are used in the mediavps release threads? :confused:
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Well that was pretty douchebagish wasn't it?
Says someone who wants to inconvenience everyone else because his posts are almost unreadable in current forum theme. Even Mobius stopped using colors in his posts, you could have followed the suit out of courtesy. I got tired of highlighting your posts to read them.
I would've been fine if it had been decided to restore color tags after new HLP theme is done. After all your posts are at least readable then, unlike now. However, you just made your own case worse by this immature topic rename.
Like how they are used in the mediavps release threads? :confused:
Exactly. Which is why color tags will make a return after HLP theme is done. But how soon is the question. Until then, at least posts should be readable without highlighting them all the time.
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All three of you (Hades, Black Wolf, Fury), should take a minute and calm down.
Black Wolf, your posts are hard to read.
Fury, if that bothers you so much, then just ignore his posts.
Hades, stop fanning the flames.
I don't see how this went from Fury being unable to read Black Wolf's posts to a forum-wide color ban.
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Thread renamed.
The color thing has always kind of bugged me too. It's basically an 'I'm special!' badge. Organizing mass ignorelisting may be the way to go if it gets too severe. HLP has always been admirable because it's enforced content-over-clutter; no image sigs, no avatars. No colors should go with it.
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I don't see how this went from Fury being unable to read Black Wolf's posts to a forum-wide color ban.
Simply because it is the easiest solution to read color abused posts until HLP theme is back. A lot of posts uses colors on the assumption that forum theme is dark, few of those actually can be useful in content. Like I said earlier, color tags will be enabled when we're back to HLP theme. Until that happens this ensures that all posts are readable in current forum theme without highlighting.
The fact that substantial number of posts are currently (or were as it is) very hard to read is separate issue from the fact that I dislike BW, Mobius and anyone else abusing color tags.
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Fury, if that bothers you so much, then just ignore his posts.
While that might work for normal members, telling an admin or global mod (Fury is somewhere between the two) that they should ignore members is basically giving that member carte blanche to act like a dick as long as they never do anything bad enough to get reported for it.
Secondly if you're posting in a colour that makes it hard for others to read your opinions then you've basically failed at communicating. It's like deliberately talking in a fake OTT Scottish brogue the whole time. :p
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Fury, if that bothers you so much, then just ignore his posts.
While that might work for normal members, telling an admin or global mod (Fury is somewhere between the two) that they should ignore members is basically giving that member carte blanche to act like a dick as long as they never do anything bad enough to get reported for it.
Secondly if you're posting in a colour that makes it hard for others to read your opinions then you've basically failed at communicating. It's like deliberately talking in a fake OTT Scottish brogue the whole time. :p
Well, you can probably tell if the member's acting like a dick by reading the posts replying to him. That, and like you said - if you make it hard for others to read your posts, you've failed at communicating. It sounds like an evolutionary thing to me. If no one reads his posts then maybe he'll change his colors. If he doesn't then everyone will continue ignoring his replies. Sounds like a self-correcting system to me.
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If no one reads his posts then maybe he'll change his colors. If he doesn't then everyone will continue ignoring his replies. Sounds like a self-correcting system to me.
he won't, they won't, and it isn't
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It doesn't disturb me, but if there are some who find it distracting, it's better to disable them.
I've never had a problem reading BW's or BendalTiger's posts by the way, so I'm rather indifferent about the issue. Since Mobius stopped using his light blue, I haven't had to highlight anyone's posts to read it.
If no one reads his posts then maybe he'll change his colors. If he doesn't then everyone will continue ignoring his replies. Sounds like a self-correcting system to me.
he won't, they won't, and it isn't
And how does he know if he's being ignored? If he doesn't, then the system is not self-correcting in pragmatic terms.
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Just my two cents :
I do not mind that much, if people want to stick out of the croud with a special colour, as long as they are readable, which isn't currently the case in BW's Case. When the black theme is back, I wont mind even less.
But if that would cause a disabling in using colour tags overall, i would get really pissed. I intend to use the colour tags a lot in my project stickies, to seperate different stages of developments in the todo lists. So in that case, rather prohibit the standard abusing in post colours
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But if that would cause a disabling in using colour tags overall, i would get really pissed. I intend to use the colour tags a lot in my project stickies, to seperate different stages of developments in the todo lists. So in that case, rather prohibit the standard abusing in post colours
Now that I think of it... this post hits the nail on the head. Well, fortunately, this is a temporary measure.
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Like Fury said earlier:
Like I said earlier, color tags will be enabled when we're back to HLP theme. Until that happens this ensures that all posts are readable in current forum theme without highlighting.
I don't mind the colours that much. If someone wants to use colours in his/her posts, fine, as long as
- the colour stands out of the background (if I can't see it, it doesn't exist for me, unless someone reports it)
- there is one colour per post (seriously, rainbow things are annoying).
And that goes for colours. Bolding and italics and underlining should be reserved for actual emphasis usage. No posting entirely in italics (or the other ones).
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If no one reads his posts then maybe he'll change his colors. If he doesn't then everyone will continue ignoring his replies. Sounds like a self-correcting system to me.
Not really, it's ****ing annoying waiting for evolution to occur. Not to mention highly disruptive to the forums.
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So, no image sigs, no avatars, no colors... why don't we go back to a mailing list system and be done with it?
I have visual impairments and have to fully zoom the page to read, with a lot of effort, and I believe small avatars (even as small as 50x50) would improve accessibility A LOT. I usually don't even bother reading who posted what until I find a post interesting, which is not really a good procedure, but it saves me from a daily headache. Seriously, at least small avatars or small image sigs would improve accessibility for some of us.
Just my two cents.
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Given that the poster's name is bigger than the content of the post I don't think you'll have trouble identify people. Most browsers support a text size feature (try ctrl - + ).
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Also, the "No Avatars except for admins" rule has been in place for a very long time, and I just loooove the fact that this site is usually one of the fastest I'm visiting (due to the lack of graphics overhead).
In addition, instead of avatars, we have badges, (which got temporarily disabled, but will be back once the theme gets reinstated), which are just as useful in terms of identifying users (At least I ID people more by their badge collection than anything else).
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If no one reads his posts then maybe he'll change his colors. If he doesn't then everyone will continue ignoring his replies. Sounds like a self-correcting system to me.
Not really, it's ****ing annoying waiting for evolution to occur. Not to mention highly disruptive to the forums.
People have had the option of changing their post colors for the last 10 years. I have yet to see a demonstration of how the forums have been so "disrupted".
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The problem is, usually the name column doesn't even fits in the screen after zooming or using the text size feature, so I have to scroll, read, scroll, read, scroll... with an image, it would be easier and quicker to identify who's who.
While I'm at it, the ability to select between two different high contrast themes would also benefit a lot of people. The old theme was actually quite useful for me, as white text over dark background is easier for me to read. Some people need exactly the opposite, though.
In addition, instead of avatars, we have badges, (which got temporarily disabled, but will be back once the theme gets reinstated), which are just as useful in terms of identifying users (At least I ID people more by their badge collection than anything else).
Yes, badges are also very helpful.
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Guys, you don't have to prevent any arbitrary poster from abusing colors. There are two people who do it in the entire community. This is a private board, so admins have the right to ban someone for any reason whatsoever. "Not keeping in the spirit of the color feature" seems to be a more reasonable one than some.
That said, I have personally found Mobius' colored text extremely useful, because it so blatantly marks posts as his. Yes, the only reason it works is that he just happens to be a special case and "abusing" colors, but this is just my personal perspective.
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I love that all of a sudden it's "abusing colours". :rolleyes: Nobody's cared for ****ing years, but suddenly it's "abuse".
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It was only abuse when Mobius started doing it.
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maybe, because of the dark theme we had, it wasn't that appearent to most of the users, and the upgrade with it's snow-white theme made things unreadable without marking the text.
I doubt this would have been an issue, if the interim colour of the board had a darker theme.
Personally, i never cared that much about the color of the post, seeing that only 4 users used colored posts.
I do care about other things though like, no avatars for for the masses, no image sigs, no huge sigs, no glow tags...
As long those are disabled, i iz happy member.
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Well dammit, I hope I get to keep the rainbow in my sig, that's how I recognize myself...
EDIT: FUUUUUU.
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Also, the "No Avatars except for admins" rule has been in place for a very long time, and I just loooove the fact that this site is usually one of the fastest I'm visiting (due to the lack of graphics overhead).
Exactly the same for me, as I have a not-so-good connection. :yes:
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I love that all of a sudden it's "abusing colours". :rolleyes: Nobody's cared for ****ing years, but suddenly it's "abuse".
I did and I tried many times to get other admins to do something about it, nothing ever happened though. Now though I got a good excuse doing something about it, as temporary as it may be.
You seem to hold some sort of exception in their mind because of your veterancy on the forums. I don't personally believe in such exceptions, rules should be the same for all. Which means that if you get to post with colors, so does everyone else. Once the HLP theme is back, I think I'll encourage everyone to pick their own favorite color to post with. Then we'll get very interesting looking topics.
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Dibs on pink!
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I love that all of a sudden it's "abusing colours". :rolleyes: Nobody's cared for ****ing years, but suddenly it's "abuse".
There has been a constant stream of complaints for ****ing years. The main issue with colors is that while you can argue they help identify a poster, this argument holds true for everyone, and so everyone should logically select a color. Then the forum turns into a circus.
I think I'll settle on something obnoxious once color tags come back.
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You seem to hold some sort of exception in their mind because of your veterancy on the forums. I don't personally believe in such exceptions, rules should be the same for all. Which means that if you get to post with colors, so does everyone else.
Of course they do - there are no exceptions. I've never tried to stop anyone posting in colours. If everyone wants to post in different colours, I say go for it. It'll be awesome.
[EDIT]Of course, everyone who's having a whinge all of a sudden will no doubt choose not to, lest they be revealed as hypocrits. But I'd never try to stop them.
[EDIT2]Just to clarify - and I should have said this straight up - there is not now, nor has there ever been, a rule against posting in coloured text. That is a fact. So the whole idea of "exceptions for veterency" is ridiculous, as there is no rule to be excepted from.
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Over the past years, i saw only 4 members posting with colours.
Everyone else didn't, despite being able to do so.
Of these 4 only 2 post on a regular basis, one didn't post in ages and the third posts rarely.
This is not a big issue, at least it wont be one, once a dark theme is used on the boards. So please, don't make one out of it.
This isn't like avatars, or sigs.
Ever since the upgrade new members used image sigs, and so do old members, even knowing that it's a no-no.
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You know, a "lead me to my most recent post on that discussion" option would be quite handy. Also, an option showing how many new posts in a given thread I can expect to find since my last visit could even be handier, at times.
In a forum where only Admins (and a few other privileged members) have avatars, and signatures are totally uncompatible with images, the problem of finding posts when scrolling down a thread is present. In fact, HLP is pretty much the only forum where I have to rely on colors/badges to find my own posts, and see how much the discussion has progressed since the last time I posted.
The problem of finding posts should be more common that you'd think. There are members who rely on signatures, members who check threads so often they can easily find their own posts, members who don't follow a lot of threads and members who just don't post a lot. With the previous forum scheme gone and common sense forcing me to post "normally", if you pardon the term, it's become harder to find my own posts in threads.
Now, my question is the following: what's so wrong in lightblue posts with a dark background? Sometimes, if you don't pay attention, lightblue almost looks like white, and IMHO is therefore not a problem. The same principle can be applied to other used colors. Also, before you ask, I'm pretty sure 150% of us don't use colors to "feel special". There are other people who show extreme arrogance in "innocent" white posts, so I don't really understand where the problem is if content matters more than appearance.
This is not a rant, obviously. It's just that I want to clarify why and how certain members tend to post in colors.
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You know, a "lead me to my most recent post on that discussion" option would be quite handy. Also, an option showing how many new posts in a given thread I can expect to find since my last visit could even be handier, at times.
In a forum where only Admins (and a few other privileged members) have avatars, and signatures are totally uncompatible with images, the problem of finding posts when scrolling down a thread is present. In fact, HLP is pretty much the only forum where I have to rely on colors/badges to find my own posts, and see how much the discussion has progressed since the last time I posted.
The problem of finding posts should be more common that you'd think. There are members who rely on signatures, members who check threads so often they can easily find their own posts, members who don't follow a lot of threads and members who just don't post a lot. With the previous forum scheme gone and common sense forcing me to post "normally", if you pardon the term, it's become harder to find my own posts in threads.
Now, my question is the following: what's so wrong in lightblue posts with a dark background? Sometimes, if you don't pay attention, lightblue almost looks like white, and IMHO is therefore not a problem. The same principle can be applied to other used colors. Also, before you ask, I'm pretty sure 150% of us don't use colors to "feel special". There are other people who show extreme arrogance in "innocent" white posts, so I don't really understand where the problem is if content matters more than appearance.
This is not a rant, obviously. It's just that I want to clarify why and how certain members tend to post in colors.
As far as i'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with light blue colour on a dark theme.
I could understand the complaints about coloured posts, if dozens of users would use that.
I can understand that people complain about light-blue on white, though.
It really hurts the eye.
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Explain me how it hurts the eye, if I just said that sometimes lightblue and white can be mistaken. (Not an offense here, it's just a polite request.)
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Explain me how it hurts the eye, if I just said that sometimes lightblue and white can be mistaken. (Not an offense here, it's just a polite request.)
There seem to be a small misunderstanding, which is my fault, i should have made it a bit clearer in my post.
I meant to say:
lightblue coloured posts on a dark theme = fine for me
lightblue coloured posts on a white theme = hurts eyes
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I could understand this whole discussion if people were posting in dark color over dark backgrounds, or rainbow posting, but very few people here seem to post with colors, and even those who do use colors that are easily discernible from the (normal) background.
Meanwhile, everyone seems to be ok with those stupid small-font comments that some of us can't even NOTICE most of the time. Those are annoying.
Besides, every single feature can be abused by a sufficiently determined member. As exemplified below, you can even have annoying image sigs if you wanted to. And give me enough time, and I'll research and find an exploit to have an avatar too. So maybe people don't post in colors simply because they don't want to go through the hassle of pasting something every time they post a comment.
Ultimately, can't you admins just create a special group with no features activated, and put people who regularly abuse a feature there?
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if u hackzor hlp to haz avatarse, you git banned.
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There seem to be a small misunderstanding, which is my fault, i should have made it a bit clearer in my post.
I meant to say:
lightblue coloured posts on a dark theme = fine for me
lightblue coloured posts on a white theme = hurts eyes
Well, now that the theme has temporarily changed, my posts aren't lightblue. :)
I could understand this whole discussion if people were posting in dark color over dark backgrounds, or rainbow posting, but very few people here seem to post with colors, and even those who do use colors that are easily discernible from the (normal) background.
Meanwhile, everyone seems to be ok with those stupid small-font comments that some of us can't even NOTICE most of the time. Those are annoying.
Besides, every single feature can be abused by a sufficiently determined member. As exemplified below, you can even have annoying image sigs if you wanted to. And give me enough time, and I'll research and find an exploit to have an avatar too. So maybe people don't post in colors simply because they don't want to go through the hassle of pasting something every time they post a comment.
Ultimately, can't you admins just create a special group with no features activated, and put people who regularly abuse a feature there?
For a moment, I thought your sig had that funny image on it!
About small-font posts, I found those amazingly disturbing too. However, no one before Redstreblo really complained about that.
Which leads me to believe that the people who do things matter more than the things themselves when it comes to critics. If Mobius posts in colors, colored posts suddenly become a forum issue. :rolleyes:
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if u hackzor hlp to haz avatarse, you git banned.
Of course lulz! What I meant is that turning off any feature just because it gets or could potentially get "abused" doesn't makes sense if you ask me.
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Which leads me to believe that the people who do things matter more than the things themselves when it comes to critics. If Mobius posts in colors, colored posts suddenly become a forum issue. :rolleyes:
If you behave like a twat, individual hallmarks of your behavior will be viewed as signs of twathood.
For my own part I've always viewed colored posts as a sign of blatant egotism. It is the member literally announcing that "I am special" and as such there is simply no other way to read it. For this reason, while banning them is not a matter of...discipline, I guess?, it's also not a problem to bring the abusers back down to Earth.
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if u hackzor hlp to haz avatarse, you git banned.
Of course lulz! What I meant is that turning off any feature just because it gets or could potentially get "abused" doesn't makes sense if you ask me.
But the "no avatar - no sig pics" policy makes sense.
For reasons The_E mentioned, ( improved loading times) and the fact that, if those get allowed, people will use them.
Personally, i don't want peoples posts buried between avatars and pics in their signatures.
A while back, we had glow tags. People started using it, not only to "enhance" their release posts ( TBP ), but also in their signatures. More and more people were jumping on the "glow-tag" waggon.
The content of the signatures were mostly the usual spam, "i has glow-tags, yay", and served no purpose, then to annoy other members.
It was really annoying, only IE users could see the effect, which annoyed a lot people, and FF users had coloured text walls, which also annoyed a lot of people.
The more the mods/ admins asked to not use/ abuse the feature, the more it was abused, until karajorma blocked that feat.
In my opinion, avatars and signature pics should never ever be allowed on hlp, to distracting.
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For my own part I've always viewed colored posts as a sign of blatant egotism. It is the member literally announcing that "I am special" and as such there is simply no other way to read it. For this reason, while banning them is not a matter of...discipline, I guess?, it's also not a problem to bring the abusers back down to Earth.
Because there's no such thing as a mindreader and you don't post in colors, what I said above is still valid. You're completely wrong because you don't (and you won't) know better than me why I post in colors. Your intepretation sounds like a fact, but it isn't.
Posting in colors is not a way to feel special.
Showing arrogance is.
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Time for a good old-fashioned lock. Should have been done earlier, but better late than never.
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this is such a great webzone
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Meanwhile, everyone seems to be ok with those stupid small-font comments that some of us can't even NOTICE most of the time. Those are annoying.
We limited comments to 6 point fonts a while back for exactly that reason.
People have had the option of changing their post colors for the last 10 years. I have yet to see a demonstration of how the forums have been so "disrupted".
You haven't seen endless posts *****ing at Mobius to change his light blue text? You haven't noticed how this thread started?
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I personally don't have a problem with colored text, provided it doesn't hamper readability. (Mobius's did; Black Wolf's didn't.) It's readability that's the issue; this goes the same for small-font comments as well.
EDIT: Bah, late to the party again...