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Title: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 14, 2011, 11:15:18 am
If no one has called it yet, I would like to do the astaroth.

One of the ugliest and most nonsensical designs ive ever come across.
Id like to try and make it better, here's what i have so far.

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Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: peterv on February 14, 2011, 11:28:22 am
I think that you should stay closer to the retail. I also think that you should change this to a completely new Shivan because i like it very much.
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Snail on February 14, 2011, 11:33:53 am
Isn't there already an Asteroth in the works? That one Inferno is working on?
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 14, 2011, 12:07:34 pm
This doesn't look much like an astaroth but it does look badass in its own way :P
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rodo on February 14, 2011, 12:12:16 pm
Yes, forget about the Astaroth, your Shivan-thing's got that evil look but definitely not Astaroth like.
Still I like the shape very much, keep on it.
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Dragon on February 14, 2011, 04:07:03 pm
Astaroth is already worked on by INF team.
I suggest you to rename this one and keep working on it, we need custom HTL Shivan fighters.
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rampage on February 15, 2011, 11:19:54 am
Our Astaroth WIP was rejected by the Community, so we handed it over to BrotherByron to work on it in order to prioritize other things needed by our project.

Nevertheless, your design is good and can and should develop into its own line of Shivan fighters.  Work on the neck and cockpit a bit more, and you'll have something quite nice indeed.

-INFTeam
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: 0rph3u5 on February 15, 2011, 04:04:53 pm
Not Astaroth but awesome... keep at it!
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Trivial Psychic on February 15, 2011, 04:33:02 pm
It kinda reminds me of some of the ships from OTT.
Title: Re: SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 16, 2011, 06:49:47 am
Since its not going to be an astaroth, ive changed the design to make it more in line with the type of fighter i want..

Ill have pics up later today.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 16, 2011, 03:38:25 pm
Here's that picture I promised.

Thoughts?

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: General Battuta on February 16, 2011, 03:42:24 pm
Liked the first one with the split tails a lot more.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: 0rph3u5 on February 16, 2011, 03:52:22 pm
I'm with Battuta on this one .. but you shouldn't stop working anyway
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Dragon on February 16, 2011, 04:09:33 pm
Could you develop both designs?
I like them both and community is really short of custom HTL Shivan fighters.
You could even develop an entire line of next-gen HTL Shivan strikecraft, it'd certainly be appreciated by the community.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rodo on February 16, 2011, 04:26:33 pm
Look, both models look really good, if you still have the last one you should work on both.

You've got some shivanish talent pal :yes:
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 16, 2011, 05:17:46 pm
Ill do my best. Im trying to put together a portfolio for university so, while im definately developing this one, other ships may get reassigned as side projects.

However  it is still too early to tell at this stage, because ive been playing freespace for about 12 or so years now. So its unlikely that there wont be more ships in future.

A bit more about this ship, though, Ive been thinkin of  it in terms of a Shivan Valkyrie.
Really  fast but not  as manouverable as a Dragon or a Ulysses.
Also, the spiked arms are in fact where the laser cannons are mounted (at the tip at least, like a Sathanas only its not a beam)
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Trivial Psychic on February 16, 2011, 06:20:45 pm
How about adding a bit aft of the central pod.  Take those pods on the sides that the pylon support struts come out of, and sweep them back perhaps slightly more than the length of the pod itself.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Woolie Wool on February 17, 2011, 01:20:56 am
Quick name suggestion: SF Lachesis.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 17, 2011, 10:54:39 am
Here is a very quick concept paintover.
Id like to get your thoughts on it before I start into modelling proper.

And yes I have only done one wing on the concept because I only needed the ideas and the other wing was at such a steep angle you wouldnt have been able to see anything anyway.

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Topgun on February 17, 2011, 11:46:38 am
I like the concept.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 17, 2011, 12:29:20 pm
Is it going to have a I'M FIRING MAH LAAAAAAZOR beam cannon in the middle? :P
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on February 17, 2011, 01:59:09 pm
From that angle, it kinda looks like a bust of a gnome carrying some bigass knife...
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: headdie on February 17, 2011, 02:04:29 pm
From that angle, it kinda looks like a bust of a gnome carrying some bigass knife...

the grim gnome
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 17, 2011, 03:52:39 pm
That would make an awesome ship :D
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 18, 2011, 06:18:13 am
Definitely interesting looking, and considering that you're making a Shivan, that's not a bad thing at all. Keep up the alien look! :D
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 18, 2011, 10:59:01 am
I have an update and a name.

the SF Kirin or (Qilin)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rampage on February 18, 2011, 12:04:20 pm
I have an update and a name.

Hotness.  Recommend not using a Japanese name (mainly b/c of self's vehement dislike of anime and its overrated influence on Western culture) b/c the Qilin is a Sino-Manchu mythical creature.  Suggest calling it by its Manchu name: Sabitun/Sabintu

-R
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 18, 2011, 12:38:07 pm
Hotness.  Recommend not using a Japanese name (mainly b/c of self's vehement dislike of anime and its overrated influence on Western culture) b/c the Qilin is a Sino-Manchu mythical creature.  Suggest calling it by its Manchu name: Sabitun/Sabintu

-R

You're free to rename it whatever you want for your own mod or whatever, you know.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Asteroth on February 18, 2011, 12:49:31 pm
I have an update and a name.

the SF Kirin or (Qilin)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin
Badass
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rodo on February 18, 2011, 01:38:20 pm
Yes, badass ship indeed.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Hades on February 18, 2011, 03:46:49 pm
You could try Spathi (greek word for sword) or Machairi (knife) for the name, as for the ship, definitely not bad.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 18, 2011, 06:45:08 pm
I thought of Kirin mainly because the Shivans already have a dragon and a manticore :p
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Scourge of Ages on February 18, 2011, 07:45:11 pm
You could try Spathi (greek word for sword) or Machairi (knife) for the name, as for the ship, definitely not bad.
Genius! Call it the Huffi-Muffi-Guffi!
On-topic: Yep, that thing does look really cool.  :yes:
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: General Battuta on February 18, 2011, 07:56:14 pm
You could try Spathi (greek word for sword) or Machairi (knife) for the name, as for the ship, definitely not bad.

These are horrible names for a Shivan fighter! (Actually the last one's not that bad.)
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Hades on February 18, 2011, 07:58:45 pm
**** off. Horrible names in your opinion. I only suggested spathi as an alternative to Machairi since it still makes sense for the aesthetic and he may prefer it for whatever reason. Go stow your over-inflated ego somewhere else.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 18, 2011, 08:32:50 pm
I find it amusing how you people kinda spew names like you're forcing them.
Its not like Krallis even asked for name suggestions!

I, for one, think Kirin/Qilin is fine.

Much better than the oh-so-ever-overused Hydra and Chimera which have also been used for at least one Terran craft each too, (I blame the Medusa for that...that should be a Shivan ship name...) while keeping to the monsters/demons theme.



Cool ship. Gonna UV/texture it?
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Hades on February 18, 2011, 08:42:54 pm
Except you don't have to ask for a suggestion to get one, nor was anyone trying to force him to use a different name. If you make a topic about a ship without a dead-set name, then you can be damned sure people are going to suggest things about the ship/name even if the creator doesn't ask, else why make a topic, usually a method of conversing with others?
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 18, 2011, 08:43:35 pm
Fine, whatever~
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: General Battuta on February 18, 2011, 08:44:37 pm
**** off. Horrible names in your opinion. I only suggested spathi as an alternative to Machairi since it still makes sense for the aesthetic and he may prefer it for whatever reason. Go stow your over-inflated ego somewhere else.

Totally my opinion, however my opinion is awesome. Spathi is a bad name brosef, that's all i'm here to say v0v

Except you don't have to ask for a suggestion to get one, nor was anyone trying to force him to use a different name. If you make a topic about a ship without a dead-set name, then you can be damned sure people are going to suggest things about the ship/name even if the creator doesn't ask, else why make a topic, usually a method of conversing with others?

chillax, brosephine
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: SypheDMar on February 18, 2011, 08:56:50 pm
Looks great. Have you chosen Kirin/Qilin yet, or are you still taking suggestions? Wings and cockpit has some resemblance to an elephant.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Asteroth on February 18, 2011, 09:08:00 pm
Except you don't have to ask for a suggestion to get one, nor was anyone trying to force him to use a different name. If you make a topic about a ship without a dead-set name, then you can be damned sure people are going to suggest things about the ship/name even if the creator doesn't ask, else why make a topic, usually a method of conversing with others?
He IS conversing with others, just not about names.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 19, 2011, 04:13:15 am
Isn't the point of this thread to provide advice and comment on the model?

Anyway, interesting choice of a name. Is there a specific reason why you chose that name or you just thought it sounded good.
The name seems a little out of context with the Shivans but I don't really care that much.

BTW I really like it and looking forward to progress. Kinda reminds me of a Stars Wars ship, I can't remember what it's called though.

PS time for a thread title change!
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 19, 2011, 11:34:56 am
Probably a TIE interceptor.

Now, can we stop fighting over the name, or I'll just call it the SF El Mariachi.
The reason i picked Kirin is twofold.
For a start, saying "SF Kirin" has a nice ring to it.
And secondly, the ship itself is most resemblant to an upside down manticore. Which led me onto looking up the names of mythical creatures.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 19, 2011, 11:47:43 am
BTW I really like it and looking forward to progress. Kinda reminds me of a Stars Wars ship, I can't remember what it's called though.

Hm...don't think its quite Star Wars...not sure...but it definitely hits this "it looks familiar" vibe but I can't quite place it.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Asteroth on February 19, 2011, 02:01:13 pm
Cylon Raider?
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Commander Zane on February 19, 2011, 03:18:23 pm
Oooh awesome!
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 19, 2011, 03:51:19 pm
Update.

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Snail on February 19, 2011, 03:53:47 pm
Oh wow, this just took a level in badass.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 19, 2011, 03:56:25 pm
No where near finished yet either :P
Still needs a lot of work.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: headdie on February 19, 2011, 04:39:35 pm
Looks like something out of the scrin arsenal in those colours lol, looking good though
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Nyctaeus on February 19, 2011, 05:50:50 pm
Looks freaking cool! Reminds me a robots from Descent 3.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Dragon on February 19, 2011, 05:54:43 pm
Indeed, great work.
Since plenty of people here are old enough to remember Descent series, they'll likely shudder when they'll see that flying for Shivans.  :)
If I only could count times things similar to that tore me apart from behind and without any kind of warning...
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Asteroth on February 19, 2011, 07:19:32 pm
You aren't a good artist, but damn you're a good modeller.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 19, 2011, 07:51:39 pm
Probably a TIE interceptor.

Now, can we stop fighting over the name, or I'll just call it the SF El Mariachi.
The reason i picked Kirin is twofold.
For a start, saying "SF Kirin" has a nice ring to it.
And secondly, the ship itself is most resemblant to an upside down manticore. Which led me onto looking up the names of mythical creatures.
No not any Tie, but that's a moot point because you clearly aren't influenced by whatever I'm thinking about.
Mythical creatures huh? Sounds like a good idea, you could find lots more names that way.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rodo on February 19, 2011, 08:02:30 pm
That looks just awesome.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: CommanderDJ on February 19, 2011, 08:03:58 pm
Kinda reminds me of a Stars Wars ship, I can't remember what it's called though.

This, perhaps? (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071228012922/starwars/images/thumb/3/3c/Sith_fighter.jpg/250px-Sith_fighter.jpg) It definitely bears some resemblance to me.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 20, 2011, 12:38:47 am
That does bare a resemblance, but that's still not what I was thinking of. Doesn't matter in any case.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Trivial Psychic on February 20, 2011, 12:42:34 am
How about the Centauri Rutarian (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/CR_Rutarian) class fighter from B5 (available from TBP)?
Title: Re: SF Kirin
Post by: SypheDMar on February 20, 2011, 12:47:06 am
It's definitely looking cool. Well done.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Bobboau on February 20, 2011, 05:34:51 am
looks cool, but it does not look Shivan, it's way too organic, it looks a lot more like Vasudan with Terran influences than Shivan.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 20, 2011, 08:04:06 am
hats's why ive completely redone the design.
And using better techniques as well.

Ill have pics up later.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 20, 2011, 08:53:22 am
The basic shape of the redesigned main pod.
It looks much better now I think.

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 20, 2011, 01:45:14 pm
Update

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 20, 2011, 07:12:20 pm
Update.

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Rodo on February 20, 2011, 07:29:05 pm
wow, that's what I call details :yes:
Title: Re: SF Kirin
Post by: SypheDMar on February 20, 2011, 08:18:32 pm
It certainly looks good. Not sure if a complete remake was necessary to make it look more Shivan, but it's your call.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Droid803 on February 20, 2011, 08:21:10 pm
Hmmm, IMO the bolts make it look less shivan, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Trivial Psychic on February 20, 2011, 11:18:39 pm
You should try to keep "the triangle" in there somewhere, and IMO, its too curvy in some places to be Shivan... needs more angles.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 21, 2011, 06:07:36 am
Update

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Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: BengalTiger on February 21, 2011, 09:44:21 am
Put 2 'spikes' on the bottom instead of 1. That will allow to put the signature Shivan triangle on the front.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Bobboau on February 22, 2011, 02:35:57 am
I stand even more firmly behind my previous statement,
Shivan != smooth rounded shapes.
make it MUCH more angular and less like something alive and natural, there should be unevenness and blockyness, but this looks like a fish (we all know who wuvs fishes), it should look like the antithesis of life.

and no bolts, Shivans have never had bolts.


now the thing is, the first draft of this thing was very Shivan, all iterations since then, while improving in general quality, have moved far far away from the design ethos associated with Shivan vessels. you might want to fork this, as it is nice looking in general.

Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 22, 2011, 06:37:03 am
The Dragon is a pretty smooth looking ship isn't it?
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Bobboau on February 22, 2011, 12:16:50 pm
For a Shivan ship it is, but it is also asymmetrical and lacking much of what I would describe as organic forms, it does not look alive. it has pods and off center engines and much of it is still quite blocky, even if the main hull has some curature to it, but just because you can find an example or two of a feature within a set, does not mean that said feature is typical of that set.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 23, 2011, 03:49:10 am
My favorite upgraded ships are the Lilith and Cain. To me they preserve the angular design while maintaining a smooth look. I'm not saying 'make Shivan ships organic', just that they could be more sleek.
Title: Re: Not an SF Astaroth WIP
Post by: Krallis on February 24, 2011, 04:40:35 pm
Shivan ships look like insects. Well...some of them do.
This is on total hold for the moment, ive been working like mad to get my folio together for university, because Ive got an interview coming up soon.

It is possible. Depending on the situation, that I will jump ship and do an experimental Shivan design capable of 200-300 m/s