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Title: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 02, 2011, 02:34:40 am
Apparently, some Italian guy Adriano Celentano wrote a gibberish song to illustrate what English sounds like to non-English speakers, and its name is...

Prisencolinensinainciusol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00)

Is that really how we sound?  :wtf:
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Sololop on March 02, 2011, 06:29:18 am
I just love the dancing!
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2011, 07:25:37 am
Not far off, for stereotypical American English anyway - It does sound much like that. British accents are an entirely different story, though. Actually speaking the language just made it worse, too, since I kept trying to catch the words which my subconcious was insisting I'd be able to hear if I just concentrated, despite intellectually knowing that it was all gibberish.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Ransom on March 02, 2011, 07:45:57 am
Something about this song is bizarrely unnerving
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 02, 2011, 08:29:49 am
It boggles the mind... I should show it some of my non-english speaking friends.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: General Battuta on March 02, 2011, 08:46:19 am
Something about this song is bizarrely unnerving

Is it that sense of elided meaning, gibbering at the edge of awareness?

Are these the secret utterings of the prophets of Shub-Niggurath, the Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young?
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Kolgena on March 02, 2011, 09:31:07 am
This is actually really well done.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: MP-Ryan on March 02, 2011, 09:43:19 am
It's interesting that, despite being gibberish, it appears to have syntax.  I'm with Shade - I knew it was gibberish, but I kept trying to make out words anyway because it sounded like I should be able to.

Language is so bizarre.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Kolgena on March 02, 2011, 10:40:27 am
I can still remember when english was legitimately gibberish to me, and this gave me a feeling that was pretty close to the real thing.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: peterv on March 02, 2011, 10:48:14 am
Is that really how we sound?  :wtf:

Yeap! (And yes, i know how we Greeks sound like  :lol:)
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Col. Fishguts on March 02, 2011, 01:50:14 pm
Apparently, some Italian guy ....

You should feel ashamed for not knowing that this guy is Adriano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckWLcTrKzaw) Celentano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76qxnUpZjgg)... Italys greatest singer/actor/TV host for the last 50 years. He was kind of a big deal in Europe through the 70s/80s.

Also, yes English actually sounds a lot like that to non-native speakers.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Solatar on March 02, 2011, 02:02:30 pm
It's a good video to show English-only speakers when teaching them a foreign language.  Many (mostly at the high school level) seem to think that if you just re-arrange English sounds, you get different words, and BAM you've got a foreign language.  This video clearly shows that the sound system is just as important in a language as what order you arrange the sounds in.

Hella cool too.   :yes:

Also, something for you Brits to chew on.  Sample of West Frisian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMMEgutjeGA

The sound system is very, very close to British English.  Not as close as the Italian gibberish is to American English, but the best thing I knew of.

EDIT: A news broadcast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE4-mFqkS4E

It's definitely NOT English, but sometimes you feel like if you'd only listen a little harder it would make sense.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Bobboau on March 02, 2011, 02:19:01 pm
yeah, I can see how this would sound like English to someone who doesn't speak the language.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Snail on March 02, 2011, 02:35:26 pm
Are these the secret utterings of the prophets of Shub-Niggurath, the Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young?
YOU FOOL WARREN IS DEAD
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 02, 2011, 02:39:25 pm
Snail failed his SAN roll.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 02, 2011, 02:57:59 pm
Apparently, some Italian guy ....

You should feel ashamed for not knowing that this guy is Adriano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckWLcTrKzaw) Celentano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76qxnUpZjgg)... Italys greatest singer/actor/TV host for the last 50 years. He was kind of a big deal in Europe through the 70s/80s.

Sorry, but I'm not exactly current on who's popular in America, let alone another continent. :p
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Nemesis6 on March 02, 2011, 04:04:40 pm
This is exactly how English sounded when I didn't really speak it.

That being said, this video is very creepy.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Flipside on March 02, 2011, 04:08:28 pm
Reminds me of a Catherine Tate comedy sketch for some reason, which was poking fun at English stereotypes of other languages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKn5ykP9PU
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Mongoose on March 02, 2011, 05:19:12 pm
I think I may have seen this a long time ago, but it's still pretty wild.  It's interesting to think about what various languages sound like to people who speak various other language.  I've watched a decent amount of anime in Japanese, so I'm generally very familiar with how that sounds, but something like Chinese still comes across as incredibly harsh to my ears.  A few really crazy instances I've heard involve someone speaking in Japanese with something like an Italian or German accent. :p
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 03, 2011, 01:56:05 am
Reminds me of a Catherine Tate comedy sketch for some reason, which was poking fun at English stereotypes of other languages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKn5ykP9PU

Castilian Spanish must sound very different from Mexican Spanish, because that sounded nothing like Spanish to my ears.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Enigmatic Entity on March 03, 2011, 02:23:38 am
Pretty interesting, although we still try to "figure it out". To me it sounded like a song about shoes... :nervous:
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 03, 2011, 07:43:30 am
I think I may have seen this a long time ago, but it's still pretty wild.  It's interesting to think about what various languages sound like to people who speak various other language.  I've watched a decent amount of anime in Japanese, so I'm generally very familiar with how that sounds, but something like Chinese still comes across as incredibly harsh to my ears.  A few really crazy instances I've heard involve someone speaking in Japanese with something like an Italian or German accent. :p
Chinese recording usually sucks...
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Snail on March 03, 2011, 11:23:00 am
To be honest most music sounds like this to me, I dunno why but I usually can't understand lyrics.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 04, 2011, 06:47:37 am
I usually have to focus to understand the lyrics with most popular songs...
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: karajorma on March 05, 2011, 03:08:22 am
To be honest most music sounds like this to me, I dunno why but I usually can't understand lyrics.

Quote
http://www.kissthisguy.com/
sometimes that happens with your native language. :p

I remember once on a long journey me and my sister decided to write down what the **** we though the lyrics were for The day we caught the train. They bore little relation to the actual lyrics. :p
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Ypoknons on March 05, 2011, 04:13:09 am
I've watched a decent amount of anime in Japanese, so I'm generally very familiar with how that sounds, but something like Chinese still comes across as incredibly harsh to my ears.
Well spoken Chinese dialects are largely mutually unintelligble (initially; it gets better with experiance and some education but not fully) and ways of speaking vary dramatically. Cantonese is fast and tonal differences between words are kept light; coming from Cantonese the 'proper' way speak do Mandarin seems overly melodic and exaggerated. Mandarin is the soft, more polite dialect, but that's why Cantonese is fun - it''s fast and rude, but genuinely witty at times.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Snail on March 05, 2011, 06:07:12 am
Mandarin is the soft, more polite dialect, but that's why Cantonese is fun - it''s fast and rude, but genuinely witty at times.
Which is why when the relatives start talking in Cantonese, I just know they're talking about me. :nervous:
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: pecenipicek on March 05, 2011, 06:49:11 am
i wonder how croatian sounds to the rest of you folks...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KFK16QJb8




Mmmm. Civil unrest!


i'm keeping my ass out of all that.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Iss Mneur on March 05, 2011, 06:34:22 pm
For those that swear they could make out words, there is a subtitled version using the actual English words used (which is why it sounds like English it just doesn't make sense): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz04IBZqfFE

Not that knowing what the words are actually make the song make sense. :P
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: General Battuta on March 05, 2011, 06:36:26 pm
Christ that's uncanny.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Mongoose on March 05, 2011, 06:54:09 pm
Wow, now it sounds like an Engrish-packed anime opening. :D
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: redsniper on March 05, 2011, 08:06:58 pm
Freezing cold and ants and I tools old.... All right.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 05, 2011, 08:18:44 pm
Wow.... I'm speechless.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Topgun on March 05, 2011, 11:47:13 pm
Reminds me of a Catherine Tate comedy sketch for some reason, which was poking fun at English stereotypes of other languages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKn5ykP9PU

Castilian Spanish must sound very different from Mexican Spanish, because that sounded nothing like Spanish to my ears.
didn't sound like castilian spainish either. I mean it makes fun of ceceo but its not like every word in spainish has a c or z in it.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 06, 2011, 02:06:27 am
For those that swear they could make out words, there is a subtitled version using the actual English words used (which is why it sounds like English it just doesn't make sense)

I've seen several different subtitled versions. I don't think any actual English words were used, they just happen to sound similar. The subtitles are what different people have thought they heard.

I mean, here's the same thing done to Caramelldansen, which is in Swedish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqC4KKiVbU
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 06, 2011, 02:12:22 am
The term you are looking for is called mondegreen.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Dark Hunter on March 06, 2011, 02:13:51 am
Is that an actual term or just something TVTropes came up with? I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 06, 2011, 02:15:36 am
It's an actual term.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: SypheDMar on March 06, 2011, 08:59:32 am
I've watched a decent amount of anime in Japanese, so I'm generally very familiar with how that sounds, but something like Chinese still comes across as incredibly harsh to my ears.
Well spoken Chinese dialects are largely mutually unintelligble (initially; it gets better with experiance and some education but not fully) and ways of speaking vary dramatically. Cantonese is fast and tonal differences between words are kept light; coming from Cantonese the 'proper' way speak do Mandarin seems overly melodic and exaggerated. Mandarin is the soft, more polite dialect, but that's why Cantonese is fun - it''s fast and rude, but genuinely witty at times.
Depends on the accents as well. Cantonese women on TVB sounds less harsh than their dubbed counterparts/Mandarin-speaking women.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Ypoknons on March 07, 2011, 03:16:55 am
oh ... but you know the '*huen' Cantonese women :p

* rude, I suppose, would be an adequate translation.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Astronomiya on March 08, 2011, 12:35:39 am
i wonder how croatian sounds to the rest of you folks...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KFK16QJb8

Kinda like Russian, which I speak a little of.  I can tell it's a Slavic language, at least.
Title: Re: English for non-English speakers
Post by: Mars on March 08, 2011, 12:37:37 am
Sounds more like Hungarian to me.